RE: Re: need advice on doctors

[Guest guest]

Thanks Andy for putting it into perspective for me. I need to stop shying

away and start asking the questions I have.

Kim

_____

From: [mailto: ]

On Behalf Of andrewhallcutler

Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 8:38 PM

Subject: [ ] Re: need advice on doctors

>

> I took my 6 year old son to his pediatrician yesterday. I have used this

> doctor for 15 years. My son is showing signs of autism. Well my doctor

> made it clear she is against alternative medicine. I brought up chelation

> and curing autism and she says nothing is scientific nor proven and the

only

> thing she recommended at this point is speech therapy. When I mentioned

> biomedicine she looked at me like I had two heads. The only thing she

could

> come up with is nothing is scientific. She kept repeating this over and

> over. Needless to say I am looking for a new doctor for my children. I

> also have a daughter that is ADHD. My question to all of you is can anyone

> recommend a doctor in Oklahoma that deals with children and on working

with

> you on curing kids with autism and adhd through chelation and other

methods.

> I am very overwhelmed right now and am looking for a place to start.

Should

> I be looking for a DAN Doctor?

No. Most of them are no more competent than your current doctor. They're

just willing to do things and hurt your kid.

You want a COMPETENT doctor (who may or may not be on the DAN! list), who

understands your child needs the best care he can get, to recover,

regardless of any pretense by incompetent fools practicing medicine without

a clue about what is or is not 'scientific.'

If you want to know about 'science,' I suggest asking scientists, not

physicians. However you actually do not want to be 'scientific' and turn

your kid into a statistic in someone's grand experiment, you'd rather be

artistic and make him all better. You want a heath care practitioner of some

sort who understands that medicine is an art, illuminated by science but not

limited by it.

>

> Kim in OK

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Marsha wrote:

>

> Your doctor sounds like a branwashed parrot in repeating, " It's not

> scientific. "

>

> I wish you the best like everyone else here does in recovering him

> completely, Hutsok.

>

> I think we should all " stick " with our doctors if we can & work to

> help educate them by copying good informaion from this group & any

> other good sources we can find & then giving it to them.

>

Three words: " Not My Job " .

We all have little enough energy to barely heal ourselves and our children.

Vote with your dollars. Give your money to a doctor who respects your

opinion as much as you respect theirs.

>

> Grandma Marsha

>

>

> >

> > I took my 6 year old son to his pediatrician yesterday. I have used this

> > doctor for 15 years. My son is showing signs of autism. Well my doctor

> > made it clear she is against alternative medicine. I brought up

> chelation

> > and curing autism and she says nothing is scientific nor proven and

> the only

> > thing she recommended at this point is speech therapy. When I mentioned

> > biomedicine she looked at me like I had two heads. The only thing

> she could

> > come up with is nothing is scientific. She kept repeating this over and

> > over. Needless to say I am looking for a new doctor for my children. I

> > also have a daughter that is ADHD. My question to all of you is can

> anyone

> > recommend a doctor in Oklahoma that deals with children and on

> working with

> > you on curing kids with autism and adhd through chelation and other

> methods.

> > I am very overwhelmed right now and am looking for a place to start.

> Should

> > I be looking for a DAN Doctor?

> >

> > Kim in OK

> >

> >

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

> Marsha wrote:

>> I think we should all " stick " with our doctors if we can & work to

>> help educate them by copying good informaion from this group & any

>> other good sources we can find & then giving it to them.

wrote:

> Three words: " Not My Job " .

> We all have little enough energy to barely heal ourselves and our children.

I totally agree with . It's Saturday, 6 pm; I've been reading, reading

and reading and, at the same time, trying to keep with all my duties (family,

work, etc.) since 6 am. My head hurts badly.

We pay them, but very often they just don't help at all, and *I* am the one who

should be educating doctors?! Why can't they do this job I'm doing?

I'm sorry, I'm not arguing with you Marsha, it's just I feel very frustrated

today.

On the other hand, I want to thank you all. I've got the most valuable

information from this group and Dr. Cutler during these last months. I almost

don't post --Onibasu search and I are good friends ;-) -- but I wanted to let

you know I thank you, from the bottom of my hearth. Hope a bit of this gratitude

help you today, in your own struggles.

Regards,

M.

[Guest guest]

Madeline Wolfe wrote:

>

>

> > Marsha wrote:

>

> >> I think we should all " stick " with our doctors if we can & work to

> >> help educate them by copying good informaion from this group & any

> >> other good sources we can find & then giving it to them.

>

> wrote:

>

> > Three words: " Not My Job " .

>

> > We all have little enough energy to barely heal ourselves and our

> children.

>

> I totally agree with . It's Saturday, 6 pm; I've been reading,

> reading and reading and, at the same time, trying to keep with all my

> duties (family, work, etc.) since 6 am. My head hurts badly.

> We pay them, but very often they just don't help at all, and *I* am

> the one who should be educating doctors?! Why can't they do this job

> I'm doing?

>

> I'm sorry, I'm not arguing with you Marsha, it's just I feel very

> frustrated today.

>

> On the other hand, I want to thank you all. I've got the most valuable

> information from this group and Dr. Cutler during these last months. I

> almost don't post --Onibasu search and I are good friends ;-) --

>

YES!!! More people here should know about Onibasu (which was broken

yesterday, but is back up).

Here's a direct link to search Andy's posts in all three groups:

http://onibasu.com/cgi-bin/search.cgi?query=%2Bfrom%3A*cutler*+YourSearchTermsHe\

re & submit=Search! & max=20 & sort=score & idxname=nn & idxname=am & idxname=fdc & idxname=am\

c

My number one Bookmark!

> but I wanted to let you know I thank you, from the bottom of my

> hearth. Hope a bit of this gratitude help you today, in your own

> struggles.

>

> Regards,

>

> M.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hello ,

You and Joe certainly gave some useful information.

As a child I played with mercury. I received the 1976 swine flu vaccination

which was

recalled due to causing an unusual amount of neurological conditions.

That wasn't the question I asked though so I'll rephrase it.

Is the Spectrum test considered very reliable? Is it the same a physician would

administer?

Cheers,

Darrin

>

> From: mrossgrp@...

> Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 17:44:44 -0400

> Subject: Re: [ ] Re: need advice on doctors

>

> Madeline Wolfe wrote:

> >

> >

> > > Marsha wrote:

> >

> > >> I think we should all " stick " with our doctors if we can & work to

> > >> help educate them by copying good informaion from this group & any

> > >> other good sources we can find & then giving it to them.

> >

> > wrote:

> >

> > > Three words: " Not My Job " .

> >

> > > We all have little enough energy to barely heal ourselves and our

> > children.

> >

> > I totally agree with . It's Saturday, 6 pm; I've been reading,

> > reading and reading and, at the same time, trying to keep with all my

> > duties (family, work, etc.) since 6 am. My head hurts badly.

> > We pay them, but very often they just don't help at all, and *I* am

> > the one who should be educating doctors?! Why can't they do this job

> > I'm doing?

> >

> > I'm sorry, I'm not arguing with you Marsha, it's just I feel very

> > frustrated today.

> >

> > On the other hand, I want to thank you all. I've got the most valuable

> > information from this group and Dr. Cutler during these last months. I

> > almost don't post --Onibasu search and I are good friends ;-) --

> >

> YES!!! More people here should know about Onibasu (which was broken

> yesterday, but is back up).

>

> Here's a direct link to search Andy's posts in all three groups:

>

>

http://onibasu.com/cgi-bin/search.cgi?query=%2Bfrom%3A*cutler*+YourSearchTermsHe\

re & submit=Search! & max=20 & sort=score & idxname=nn & idxname=am & idxname=fdc & idxname=am\

c

>

> My number one Bookmark!

>

>

>

>

>

> > but I wanted to let you know I thank you, from the bottom of my

> > hearth. Hope a bit of this gratitude help you today, in your own

> > struggles.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > M.

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Darrin Vernier wrote:

>

>

> Hello ,

>

> You and Joe certainly gave some useful information.

>

> As a child I played with mercury. I received the 1976 swine flu

> vaccination which was

>

> recalled due to causing an unusual amount of neurological conditions.

>

> That wasn't the question I asked though so I'll rephrase it.

>

> Is the Spectrum test considered very reliable? Is it the same a

> physician would administer?

>

I don't know.

The real point for me is why do you need the " blessing " of a

diagnosis/label? The treatment is the same whether you call your

debility something or not: remove the root cause, though a safe

chelation protocol; and make yourself comfortable and more functional in

the mean time by addressing the symptoms with natural drugs

(supplements) and allopathic drugs (medication) where appropriate.

At some point here, we all understand that the label of " physician " does

not make someone intrinsically knowledgeable or intelligent. Few are

more than glorified plumbers.

.

>

> Cheers,

>

> Darrin

>

> >

> <mailto: %40>

> > From: mrossgrp@... <mailto:mrossgrp%40gmail.com>

> > Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 17:44:44 -0400

> > Subject: Re: [ ] Re: need advice on doctors

> >

> > Madeline Wolfe wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > > Marsha wrote:

> > >

> > > >> I think we should all " stick " with our doctors if we can & work to

> > > >> help educate them by copying good informaion from this group & any

> > > >> other good sources we can find & then giving it to them.

> > >

> > > wrote:

> > >

> > > > Three words: " Not My Job " .

> > >

> > > > We all have little enough energy to barely heal ourselves and our

> > > children.

> > >

> > > I totally agree with . It's Saturday, 6 pm; I've been reading,

> > > reading and reading and, at the same time, trying to keep with all my

> > > duties (family, work, etc.) since 6 am. My head hurts badly.

> > > We pay them, but very often they just don't help at all, and *I* am

> > > the one who should be educating doctors?! Why can't they do this job

> > > I'm doing?

> > >

> > > I'm sorry, I'm not arguing with you Marsha, it's just I feel very

> > > frustrated today.

> > >

> > > On the other hand, I want to thank you all. I've got the most

> valuable

> > > information from this group and Dr. Cutler during these last

> months. I

> > > almost don't post --Onibasu search and I are good friends ;-) --

> > >

> > YES!!! More people here should know about Onibasu (which was broken

> > yesterday, but is back up).

> >

> > Here's a direct link to search Andy's posts in all three groups:

> >

> >

>

http://onibasu.com/cgi-bin/search.cgi?query=%2Bfrom%3A*cutler*+YourSearchTermsHe\

re & submit=Search

>

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ere & submit=Search>! & max=20 & sort=score & idxname=nn & idxname=am & idxname=fdc & idxname=\

amc

> >

> > My number one Bookmark!

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > > but I wanted to let you know I thank you, from the bottom of my

> > > hearth. Hope a bit of this gratitude help you today, in your own

> > > struggles.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > > M.

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Hello ,

'I don't know' is a good and honest answer.

If you had difficulty using your limbs, had severe fatigue, cognitive issues,

plus a lifelong

history of autism-like symptoms added to the mix, were unemployed, and had no

health insurance,

you might better understand my situation.

Cheers,

Darrin

>

> From: mrossgrp@...

> Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 20:38:31 -0400

> Subject: Re: [ ] Re: need advice on doctors

>

> Darrin Vernier wrote:

> >

> >

> > Hello ,

> >

> > You and Joe certainly gave some useful information.

> >

> > As a child I played with mercury. I received the 1976 swine flu

> > vaccination which was

> >

> > recalled due to causing an unusual amount of neurological conditions.

> >

> > That wasn't the question I asked though so I'll rephrase it.

> >

> > Is the Spectrum test considered very reliable? Is it the same a

> > physician would administer?

> >

> I don't know.

>

> The real point for me is why do you need the " blessing " of a

> diagnosis/label? The treatment is the same whether you call your

> debility something or not: remove the root cause, though a safe

> chelation protocol; and make yourself comfortable and more functional in

> the mean time by addressing the symptoms with natural drugs

> (supplements) and allopathic drugs (medication) where appropriate.

>

> At some point here, we all understand that the label of " physician " does

> not make someone intrinsically knowledgeable or intelligent. Few are

> more than glorified plumbers.

>

> .

>

> >

> > Cheers,

> >

> > Darrin

> >

> > >

> > <mailto: %40>

> > > From: mrossgrp@... <mailto:mrossgrp%40gmail.com>

> > > Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 17:44:44 -0400

> > > Subject: Re: [ ] Re: need advice on doctors

> > >

> > > Madeline Wolfe wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > > Marsha wrote:

> > > >

> > > > >> I think we should all " stick " with our doctors if we can & work to

> > > > >> help educate them by copying good informaion from this group & any

> > > > >> other good sources we can find & then giving it to them.

> > > >

> > > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > Three words: " Not My Job " .

> > > >

> > > > > We all have little enough energy to barely heal ourselves and our

> > > > children.

> > > >

> > > > I totally agree with . It's Saturday, 6 pm; I've been reading,

> > > > reading and reading and, at the same time, trying to keep with all my

> > > > duties (family, work, etc.) since 6 am. My head hurts badly.

> > > > We pay them, but very often they just don't help at all, and *I* am

> > > > the one who should be educating doctors?! Why can't they do this job

> > > > I'm doing?

> > > >

> > > > I'm sorry, I'm not arguing with you Marsha, it's just I feel very

> > > > frustrated today.

> > > >

> > > > On the other hand, I want to thank you all. I've got the most

> > valuable

> > > > information from this group and Dr. Cutler during these last

> > months. I

> > > > almost don't post --Onibasu search and I are good friends ;-) --

> > > >

> > > YES!!! More people here should know about Onibasu (which was broken

> > > yesterday, but is back up).

> > >

> > > Here's a direct link to search Andy's posts in all three groups:

> > >

> > >

> >

http://onibasu.com/cgi-bin/search.cgi?query=%2Bfrom%3A*cutler*+YourSearchTermsHe\

re & submit=Search

> >

<http://onibasu.com/cgi-bin/search.cgi?query=%2Bfrom%3A*cutler*+YourSearchTermsH\

ere & submit=Search>! & max=20 & sort=score & idxname=nn & idxname=am & idxname=fdc & idxname=\

amc

> > >

> > > My number one Bookmark!

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > > but I wanted to let you know I thank you, from the bottom of my

> > > > hearth. Hope a bit of this gratitude help you today, in your own

> > > > struggles.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > >

> > > > M.

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Alpha Lipoic Acid, which is used in the chelation process is very inexpensive

and over the counter vitamin.

You could get well for very little money. You don't need a doctor or health

insurance.

Isn't that worth taking a look at?

TJ

________________________________

From: Darrin Vernier <gphx@...>

autism treatment

Sent: Sat, March 27, 2010 6:03:56 PM

Subject: RE: [ ] Re: need advice on doctors

 

Hello ,

'I don't know' is a good and honest answer.

If you had difficulty using your limbs, had severe fatigue, cognitive issues,

plus a lifelong

history of autism-like symptoms added to the mix, were unemployed, and had no

health insurance,

you might better understand my situation.

Cheers,

Darrin

>

> From: mrossgrpgmail (DOT) com

> Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 20:38:31 -0400

> Subject: Re: [ ] Re: need advice on doctors

>

> Darrin Vernier wrote:

> >

> >

> > Hello ,

> >

> > You and Joe certainly gave some useful information.

> >

> > As a child I played with mercury. I received the 1976 swine flu

> > vaccination which was

> >

> > recalled due to causing an unusual amount of neurological conditions.

> >

> > That wasn't the question I asked though so I'll rephrase it.

> >

> > Is the Spectrum test considered very reliable? Is it the same a

> > physician would administer?

> >

> I don't know.

>

> The real point for me is why do you need the " blessing " of a

> diagnosis/label? The treatment is the same whether you call your

> debility something or not: remove the root cause, though a safe

> chelation protocol; and make yourself comfortable and more functional in

> the mean time by addressing the symptoms with natural drugs

> (supplements) and allopathic drugs (medication) where appropriate.

>

> At some point here, we all understand that the label of " physician " does

> not make someone intrinsically knowledgeable or intelligent. Few are

> more than glorified plumbers.

>

> .

>

> >

> > Cheers,

> >

> > Darrin

> >

> > >

> > <mailto:Autism- Mercury%40g roups.com>

> > > From: mrossgrpgmail (DOT) com <mailto:mrossgrp% 40gmail.com>

> > > Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 17:44:44 -0400

> > > Subject: Re: [ ] Re: need advice on doctors

> > >

> > > Madeline Wolfe wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > > Marsha wrote:

> > > >

> > > > >> I think we should all " stick " with our doctors if we can & work to

> > > > >> help educate them by copying good informaion from this group & any

> > > > >> other good sources we can find & then giving it to them.

> > > >

> > > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > Three words: " Not My Job " .

> > > >

> > > > > We all have little enough energy to barely heal ourselves and our

> > > > children.

> > > >

> > > > I totally agree with . It's Saturday, 6 pm; I've been reading,

> > > > reading and reading and, at the same time, trying to keep with all my

> > > > duties (family, work, etc.) since 6 am. My head hurts badly.

> > > > We pay them, but very often they just don't help at all, and *I* am

> > > > the one who should be educating doctors?! Why can't they do this job

> > > > I'm doing?

> > > >

> > > > I'm sorry, I'm not arguing with you Marsha, it's just I feel very

> > > > frustrated today.

> > > >

> > > > On the other hand, I want to thank you all. I've got the most

> > valuable

> > > > information from this group and Dr. Cutler during these last

> > months. I

> > > > almost don't post --Onibasu search and I are good friends ;-) --

> > > >

> > > YES!!! More people here should know about Onibasu (which was broken

> > > yesterday, but is back up).

> > >

> > > Here's a direct link to search Andy's posts in all three groups:

> > >

> > >

> > http://onibasu. com/cgi-bin/ search.cgi? query=%2Bfrom% 3A*cutler*

+YourSearchTerms Here & submit= Search

> > <http://onibasu. com/cgi-bin/ search.cgi? query=%2Bfrom% 3A*cutler*

+YourSearchTerms Here & submit= Search>! & max=20 & sort= score & idxname= nn & idxname=

am & idxname= fdc & idxname= amc

> > >

> > > My number one Bookmark!

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > > but I wanted to let you know I thank you, from the bottom of my

> > > > hearth. Hope a bit of this gratitude help you today, in your own

> > > > struggles.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > >

> > > > M.

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Hello TJ,

No one here knows what I have or haven't investigated, considered, or tried.

People are prejudging the heck out of me when all I've done is ask for some

information on how autism is diagnosed.

I appreciate the thoughtful replies but this group is a little too much like a

religious one for me.

Have a good week,

Darrin

From: tj_werth@...

Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 18:38:25 -0700

Subject: Re: [ ] Re: need advice on doctors

Alpha Lipoic Acid, which is used in the chelation process is very inexpensive

and over the counter vitamin.

You could get well for very little money. You don't need a doctor or health

insurance.

Isn't that worth taking a look at?

TJ

________________________________

From: Darrin Vernier <gphx@...>

autism treatment

Sent: Sat, March 27, 2010 6:03:56 PM

Subject: RE: [ ] Re: need advice on doctors

Hello ,

'I don't know' is a good and honest answer.

If you had difficulty using your limbs, had severe fatigue, cognitive issues,

plus a lifelong

history of autism-like symptoms added to the mix, were unemployed, and had no

health insurance,

you might better understand my situation.

Cheers,

Darrin

>

> From: mrossgrpgmail (DOT) com

> Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 20:38:31 -0400

> Subject: Re: [ ] Re: need advice on doctors

>

> Darrin Vernier wrote:

> >

> >

> > Hello ,

> >

> > You and Joe certainly gave some useful information.

> >

> > As a child I played with mercury. I received the 1976 swine flu

> > vaccination which was

> >

> > recalled due to causing an unusual amount of neurological conditions.

> >

> > That wasn't the question I asked though so I'll rephrase it.

> >

> > Is the Spectrum test considered very reliable? Is it the same a

> > physician would administer?

> >

> I don't know.

>

> The real point for me is why do you need the " blessing " of a

> diagnosis/label? The treatment is the same whether you call your

> debility something or not: remove the root cause, though a safe

> chelation protocol; and make yourself comfortable and more functional in

> the mean time by addressing the symptoms with natural drugs

> (supplements) and allopathic drugs (medication) where appropriate.

>

> At some point here, we all understand that the label of " physician " does

> not make someone intrinsically knowledgeable or intelligent. Few are

> more than glorified plumbers.

>

> .

>

> >

> > Cheers,

> >

> > Darrin

> >

> > >

> > <mailto:Autism- Mercury%40g roups.com>

> > > From: mrossgrpgmail (DOT) com <mailto:mrossgrp% 40gmail.com>

> > > Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 17:44:44 -0400

> > > Subject: Re: [ ] Re: need advice on doctors

> > >

> > > Madeline Wolfe wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > > Marsha wrote:

> > > >

> > > > >> I think we should all " stick " with our doctors if we can & work to

> > > > >> help educate them by copying good informaion from this group & any

> > > > >> other good sources we can find & then giving it to them.

> > > >

> > > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > Three words: " Not My Job " .

> > > >

> > > > > We all have little enough energy to barely heal ourselves and our

> > > > children.

> > > >

> > > > I totally agree with . It's Saturday, 6 pm; I've been reading,

> > > > reading and reading and, at the same time, trying to keep with all my

> > > > duties (family, work, etc.) since 6 am. My head hurts badly.

> > > > We pay them, but very often they just don't help at all, and *I* am

> > > > the one who should be educating doctors?! Why can't they do this job

> > > > I'm doing?

> > > >

> > > > I'm sorry, I'm not arguing with you Marsha, it's just I feel very

> > > > frustrated today.

> > > >

> > > > On the other hand, I want to thank you all. I've got the most

> > valuable

> > > > information from this group and Dr. Cutler during these last

> > months. I

> > > > almost don't post --Onibasu search and I are good friends ;-) --

> > > >

> > > YES!!! More people here should know about Onibasu (which was broken

> > > yesterday, but is back up).

> > >

> > > Here's a direct link to search Andy's posts in all three groups:

> > >

> > >

> > http://onibasu. com/cgi-bin/ search.cgi? query=%2Bfrom% 3A*cutler*

+YourSearchTerms Here & submit= Search

> > <http://onibasu. com/cgi-bin/ search.cgi? query=%2Bfrom% 3A*cutler*

+YourSearchTerms Here & submit= Search>! & max=20 & sort= score & idxname= nn & idxname=

am & idxname= fdc & idxname= amc

> > >

> > > My number one Bookmark!

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > > but I wanted to let you know I thank you, from the bottom of my

> > > > hearth. Hope a bit of this gratitude help you today, in your own

> > > > struggles.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > >

> > > > M.

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Many of us on this list are parents of children on the " autism spectrum " . But

along the way we become better parents seeking truth and health for our children

and our self. We all go about it in a different way and what works for one,

doesn't work for another.

A blanket diagnoses doesn't work. Personally, I thought a child with autism

rocked in the corner and didn't talk. Well, that's not my son. He doesn't fit

any one mold, many don't. My son was reading at 2 1/2 but you couldn't carry on

a conversation with him. How " normal " is that.

We all march to a different drum, some more than others. Yeah, these tests can

be great. Has a parent, I've filled out my share of questions to " help "

diagnose my son. All it did was get my son services which we needed. Honestly,

I don't need any fancy test but boy, would everyone around him like to pick his

brain.

What I'm trying to say, don't get to hung up on an official diagnoses. I sat

around listening to a " team " talk about my son and different support staff in

school have all made their comments. The truth is, he's a gift, strange, unique

but aren't we all? Is chelation helping, YES. Supplements, enzymes,

probiotics, OMG! There is more to it. You can take control, learn. Wish you

better health. We are here to help!

Tammy

Re: [ ] Re: need advice on doctors

> > >

> > > Madeline Wolfe wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > > Marsha wrote:

> > > >

> > > > >> I think we should all " stick " with our doctors if we can & work to

> > > > >> help educate them by copying good informaion from this group & any

> > > > >> other good sources we can find & then giving it to them.

> > > >

> > > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > Three words: " Not My Job " .

> > > >

> > > > > We all have little enough energy to barely heal ourselves and our

> > > > children.

> > > >

> > > > I totally agree with . It's Saturday, 6 pm; I've been reading,

> > > > reading and reading and, at the same time, trying to keep with all my

> > > > duties (family, work, etc.) since 6 am. My head hurts badly.

> > > > We pay them, but very often they just don't help at all, and *I* am

> > > > the one who should be educating doctors?! Why can't they do this job

> > > > I'm doing?

> > > >

> > > > I'm sorry, I'm not arguing with you Marsha, it's just I feel very

> > > > frustrated today.

> > > >

> > > > On the other hand, I want to thank you all. I've got the most

> > valuable

> > > > information from this group and Dr. Cutler during these last

> > months. I

> > > > almost don't post --Onibasu search and I are good friends ;-) --

> > > >

> > > YES!!! More people here should know about Onibasu (which was broken

> > > yesterday, but is back up).

> > >

> > > Here's a direct link to search Andy's posts in all three groups:

> > >

> > >

> >

http://onibasu.com/cgi-bin/search.cgi?query=%2Bfrom%3A*cutler*+YourSearchTermsHe\

re & submit=Search

> >

<http://onibasu.com/cgi-bin/search.cgi?query=%2Bfrom%3A*cutler*+YourSearchTermsH\

ere & submit=Search>! & max=20 & sort=score & idxname=nn & idxname=am & idxname=fdc & idxname=\

amc

> > >

> > > My number one Bookmark!

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > > but I wanted to let you know I thank you, from the bottom of my

> > > > hearth. Hope a bit of this gratitude help you today, in your own

> > > > struggles.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > >

> > > > M.

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Darrin,

A lot of people on this list are confronted with most of the items on

your list and situations similar to yours. That's the whole point of a

group such as this--to exchange ideas with people in like situations.

I was not suggesting you not seek treatment. I was trying to make you

aware of options, options that have worked here.

Keep asking questions. I'll try to preach less than the mainstream

doctors.

Darrin Vernier wrote:

>

>

> Hello ,

>

> 'I don't know' is a good and honest answer.

>

> If you had difficulty using your limbs, had severe fatigue, cognitive

> issues, plus a lifelong

>

> history of autism-like symptoms added to the mix, were unemployed, and

> had no health insurance,

>

> you might better understand my situation.

>

> Cheers,

>

> Darrin

>

> >

> <mailto: %40>

> > From: mrossgrp@... <mailto:mrossgrp%40gmail.com>

> > Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 20:38:31 -0400

> > Subject: Re: [ ] Re: need advice on doctors

> >

> > Darrin Vernier wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Hello ,

> > >

> > > You and Joe certainly gave some useful information.

> > >

> > > As a child I played with mercury. I received the 1976 swine flu

> > > vaccination which was

> > >

> > > recalled due to causing an unusual amount of neurological conditions.

> > >

> > > That wasn't the question I asked though so I'll rephrase it.

> > >

> > > Is the Spectrum test considered very reliable? Is it the same a

> > > physician would administer?

> > >

> > I don't know.

> >

> > The real point for me is why do you need the " blessing " of a

> > diagnosis/label? The treatment is the same whether you call your

> > debility something or not: remove the root cause, though a safe

> > chelation protocol; and make yourself comfortable and more

> functional in

> > the mean time by addressing the symptoms with natural drugs

> > (supplements) and allopathic drugs (medication) where appropriate.

> >

> > At some point here, we all understand that the label of " physician "

> does

> > not make someone intrinsically knowledgeable or intelligent. Few are

> > more than glorified plumbers.

> >

> > .

> >

> > >

> > > Cheers,

> > >

> > > Darrin

> > >

> > > >

> <mailto: %40>

> > > <mailto: %40>

> > > > From: mrossgrp@... <mailto:mrossgrp%40gmail.com>

> <mailto:mrossgrp%40gmail.com>

> > > > Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 17:44:44 -0400

> > > > Subject: Re: [ ] Re: need advice on doctors

> > > >

> > > > Madeline Wolfe wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > Marsha wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > >> I think we should all " stick " with our doctors if we can &

> work to

> > > > > >> help educate them by copying good informaion from this

> group & any

> > > > > >> other good sources we can find & then giving it to them.

> > > > >

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > > Three words: " Not My Job " .

> > > > >

> > > > > > We all have little enough energy to barely heal ourselves

> and our

> > > > > children.

> > > > >

> > > > > I totally agree with . It's Saturday, 6 pm; I've been

> reading,

> > > > > reading and reading and, at the same time, trying to keep with

> all my

> > > > > duties (family, work, etc.) since 6 am. My head hurts badly.

> > > > > We pay them, but very often they just don't help at all, and

> *I* am

> > > > > the one who should be educating doctors?! Why can't they do

> this job

> > > > > I'm doing?

> > > > >

> > > > > I'm sorry, I'm not arguing with you Marsha, it's just I feel very

> > > > > frustrated today.

> > > > >

> > > > > On the other hand, I want to thank you all. I've got the most

> > > valuable

> > > > > information from this group and Dr. Cutler during these last

> > > months. I

> > > > > almost don't post --Onibasu search and I are good friends ;-) --

> > > > >

> > > > YES!!! More people here should know about Onibasu (which was broken

> > > > yesterday, but is back up).

> > > >

> > > > Here's a direct link to search Andy's posts in all three groups:

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

>

http://onibasu.com/cgi-bin/search.cgi?query=%2Bfrom%3A*cutler*+YourSearchTermsHe\

re & submit=Search

>

<http://onibasu.com/cgi-bin/search.cgi?query=%2Bfrom%3A*cutler*+YourSearchTermsH\

ere & submit=Search>

>

> > >

>

<http://onibasu.com/cgi-bin/search.cgi?query=%2Bfrom%3A*cutler*+YourSearchTermsH\

ere & submit=Search

>

<http://onibasu.com/cgi-bin/search.cgi?query=%2Bfrom%3A*cutler*+YourSearchTermsH\

ere & submit=Search>>! & max=20 & sort=score & idxname=nn & idxname=am & idxname=fdc & idxname\

=amc

> > > >

> > > > My number one Bookmark!

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > > but I wanted to let you know I thank you, from the bottom of my

> > > > > hearth. Hope a bit of this gratitude help you today, in your own

> > > > > struggles.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > M.

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

Darrin Vernier wrote:

> Hello TJ,

>

>

>

> No one here knows what I have or haven't investigated, considered, or tried.

>

You are absolutely right.

> People are prejudging the heck out of me

I assure you we are not. You mentioned some symptoms. They have meaning

here. A lot of us have the same symptoms as well as things we have found

to rid our bodies of them.

> when all I've done is ask for some

>

> information on how autism is diagnosed.

>

And we're essentially saying: " It isn't diagnosed in any meaningful way,

ever. "

>

>

> I appreciate the thoughtful replies but this group is a little too much like a

>

> religious one for me.

>

If you read the archives, you may change your mind.

You may even come to believe that the " cult religion " is actually

traditional medicine. We try to get as much as we can from it, as well

as from the real science and chemistry of the body, which most doctors

frequently ignore.

>

>

> Have a good week,

>

> Darrin

>

>

>

>

>

> From: tj_werth@...

> Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 18:38:25 -0700

> Subject: Re: [ ] Re: need advice on doctors

>

>

>

>

>

> Alpha Lipoic Acid, which is used in the chelation process is very inexpensive

and over the counter vitamin.

> You could get well for very little money. You don't need a doctor or health

insurance.

> Isn't that worth taking a look at?

> TJ

>

> ________________________________

> From: Darrin Vernier <gphx@...>

> autism treatment

> Sent: Sat, March 27, 2010 6:03:56 PM

> Subject: RE: [ ] Re: need advice on doctors

>

>

>

> Hello ,

>

> 'I don't know' is a good and honest answer.

>

> If you had difficulty using your limbs, had severe fatigue, cognitive issues,

plus a lifelong

>

> history of autism-like symptoms added to the mix, were unemployed, and had no

health insurance,

>

> you might better understand my situation.

>

> Cheers,

>

> Darrin

>

>

>>

>> From: mrossgrpgmail (DOT) com

>> Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 20:38:31 -0400

>> Subject: Re: [ ] Re: need advice on doctors

>>

>> Darrin Vernier wrote:

>>

>>> Hello ,

>>>

>>> You and Joe certainly gave some useful information.

>>>

>>> As a child I played with mercury. I received the 1976 swine flu

>>> vaccination which was

>>>

>>> recalled due to causing an unusual amount of neurological conditions.

>>>

>>> That wasn't the question I asked though so I'll rephrase it.

>>>

>>> Is the Spectrum test considered very reliable? Is it the same a

>>> physician would administer?

>>>

>>>

>> I don't know.

>>

>> The real point for me is why do you need the " blessing " of a

>> diagnosis/label? The treatment is the same whether you call your

>> debility something or not: remove the root cause, though a safe

>> chelation protocol; and make yourself comfortable and more functional in

>> the mean time by addressing the symptoms with natural drugs

>> (supplements) and allopathic drugs (medication) where appropriate.

>>

>> At some point here, we all understand that the label of " physician " does

>> not make someone intrinsically knowledgeable or intelligent. Few are

>> more than glorified plumbers.

>>

>> .

>>

>>

>>> Cheers,

>>>

>>> Darrin

>>>

>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>> <mailto:Autism- Mercury%40g roups.com>

>>>

>>>> From: mrossgrpgmail (DOT) com <mailto:mrossgrp% 40gmail.com>

>>>> Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 17:44:44 -0400

>>>> Subject: Re: [ ] Re: need advice on doctors

>>>>

>>>> Madeline Wolfe wrote:

>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>> Marsha wrote:

>>>>>>

>>>>>>> I think we should all " stick " with our doctors if we can & work to

>>>>>>> help educate them by copying good informaion from this group & any

>>>>>>> other good sources we can find & then giving it to them.

>>>>>>>

>>>>> wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>> Three words: " Not My Job " .

>>>>>>

>>>>>> We all have little enough energy to barely heal ourselves and our

>>>>>>

>>>>> children.

>>>>>

>>>>> I totally agree with . It's Saturday, 6 pm; I've been reading,

>>>>> reading and reading and, at the same time, trying to keep with all my

>>>>> duties (family, work, etc.) since 6 am. My head hurts badly.

>>>>> We pay them, but very often they just don't help at all, and *I* am

>>>>> the one who should be educating doctors?! Why can't they do this job

>>>>> I'm doing?

>>>>>

>>>>> I'm sorry, I'm not arguing with you Marsha, it's just I feel very

>>>>> frustrated today.

>>>>>

>>>>> On the other hand, I want to thank you all. I've got the most

>>>>>

>>> valuable

>>>

>>>>> information from this group and Dr. Cutler during these last

>>>>>

>>> months. I

>>>

>>>>> almost don't post --Onibasu search and I are good friends ;-) --

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>> YES!!! More people here should know about Onibasu (which was broken

>>>> yesterday, but is back up).

>>>>

>>>> Here's a direct link to search Andy's posts in all three groups:

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>> http://onibasu. com/cgi-bin/ search.cgi? query=%2Bfrom% 3A*cutler*

+YourSearchTerms Here & submit= Search

>>> <http://onibasu. com/cgi-bin/ search.cgi? query=%2Bfrom% 3A*cutler*

+YourSearchTerms Here & submit= Search>! & max=20 & sort= score & idxname= nn & idxname=

am & idxname= fdc & idxname= amc

>>>

>>>> My number one Bookmark!

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>> but I wanted to let you know I thank you, from the bottom of my

>>>>> hearth. Hope a bit of this gratitude help you today, in your own

>>>>> struggles.

>>>>>

>>>>> Regards,

>>>>>

>>>>> M.

>>>>>

>>>>>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Marsha. I don't think this particuliar doctor is going to be open to

new ideas. I think traditional doctors don't want to listen and be open to

knew ideas because it goes against everything they have been taught and it

is much easier for them to just provide a medication and go to the next

patient.

Kim

_____

From: [mailto: ]

On Behalf Of Marsha

Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 3:02 PM

Subject: [ ] Re: need advice on doctors

Your doctor sounds like a branwashed parrot in repeating, " It's not

scientific. "

I wish you the best like everyone else here does in recovering him

completely, Hutsok.

I think we should all " stick " with our doctors if we can & work to help

educate them by copying good informaion from this group & any other good

sources we can find & then giving it to them.

Grandma Marsha

>

> I took my 6 year old son to his pediatrician yesterday. I have used this

> doctor for 15 years. My son is showing signs of autism. Well my doctor

> made it clear she is against alternative medicine. I brought up chelation

> and curing autism and she says nothing is scientific nor proven and the

only

> thing she recommended at this point is speech therapy. When I mentioned

> biomedicine she looked at me like I had two heads. The only thing she

could

> come up with is nothing is scientific. She kept repeating this over and

> over. Needless to say I am looking for a new doctor for my children. I

> also have a daughter that is ADHD. My question to all of you is can anyone

> recommend a doctor in Oklahoma that deals with children and on working

with

> you on curing kids with autism and adhd through chelation and other

methods.

> I am very overwhelmed right now and am looking for a place to start.

Should

> I be looking for a DAN Doctor?

>

> Kim in OK

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Sounds like good advice to me . I would much rather give my $ to

someone that will listen and be open to other ideas. Maybe doctors will

come to realize they are losing money and open their minds to new things as

well.

Kim

Re: [ ] Re: need advice on doctors

Marsha wrote:

>

> Your doctor sounds like a branwashed parrot in repeating, " It's not

> scientific. "

>

> I wish you the best like everyone else here does in recovering him

> completely, Hutsok.

>

> I think we should all " stick " with our doctors if we can & work to

> help educate them by copying good informaion from this group & any

> other good sources we can find & then giving it to them.

>

Three words: " Not My Job " .

We all have little enough energy to barely heal ourselves and our children.

Vote with your dollars. Give your money to a doctor who respects your

opinion as much as you respect theirs.

>

> Grandma Marsha

>

>

> >

> > I took my 6 year old son to his pediatrician yesterday. I have used

> > this doctor for 15 years. My son is showing signs of autism. Well my

> > doctor made it clear she is against alternative medicine. I brought

> > up

> chelation

> > and curing autism and she says nothing is scientific nor proven and

> the only

> > thing she recommended at this point is speech therapy. When I

> > mentioned biomedicine she looked at me like I had two heads. The

> > only thing

> she could

> > come up with is nothing is scientific. She kept repeating this over

> > and over. Needless to say I am looking for a new doctor for my

> > children. I also have a daughter that is ADHD. My question to all of

> > you is can

> anyone

> > recommend a doctor in Oklahoma that deals with children and on

> working with

> > you on curing kids with autism and adhd through chelation and other

> methods.

> > I am very overwhelmed right now and am looking for a place to start.

> Should

> > I be looking for a DAN Doctor?

> >

> > Kim in OK

> >

> >

> >

>

>

------------------------------------

=======================================================

[Guest guest]

Thanks Joe! I will take a look and hopefully find someone.

Kim

_____

From: [mailto: ]

On Behalf Of joegrane610

Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 1:39 PM

Subject: [ ] Re: need advice on doctors

>

> ... Well my doctor made it clear

> she is against alternative medicine. I brought up chelation

> and curing autism and she says nothing is scientific nor proven >....I am

looking for a new doctor for my children. I

> also have a daughter that is ADHD. ...

> can anyone recommend a doctor in Oklahoma ...

> I am very overwhelmed right now and am looking for a place to start....

>

> Kim in OK

Kim, you might check out the Institute for Functional Medicine. They have a

list of doctors. That might give you a chance to find a doctor who takes

insurance but who is open to some alternative options.

http://www.function <http://www.functionalmedicine.org/> almedicine.org/

Joe

[Guest guest]

Just trying to help. You said you were autistic. We have found through

experience here that autism in our children was usually caused by heavy metal

toxicity. We have found a way out. A light at the end of a very dark tunnel.

Wish you the best and hope you find what you are looking for. I guess we are

more focused on solutions to problems here, not so much the problem.

TJ

________________________________

From: Darrin Vernier <gphx@...>

autism treatment

Sent: Sat, March 27, 2010 7:01:01 PM

Subject: RE: [ ] Re: need advice on doctors

Hello TJ,

No one here knows what I have or haven't investigated, considered, or tried.

People are prejudging the heck out of me when all I've done is ask for some

information on how autism is diagnosed.

I appreciate the thoughtful replies but this group is a little too much like a

religious one for me.

Have a good week,

Darrin

From: tj_werth@...

Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 18:38:25 -0700

Subject: Re: [ ] Re: need advice on doctors

 

Alpha Lipoic Acid, which is used in the chelation process is very inexpensive

and over the counter vitamin.

You could get well for very little money. You don't need a doctor or health

insurance.

Isn't that worth taking a look at?

TJ

________________________________

From: Darrin Vernier <gphx@...>

autism treatment

Sent: Sat, March 27, 2010 6:03:56 PM

Subject: RE: [ ] Re: need advice on doctors

 

Hello ,

'I don't know' is a good and honest answer.

If you had difficulty using your limbs, had severe fatigue, cognitive issues,

plus a lifelong

history of autism-like symptoms added to the mix, were unemployed, and had no

health insurance,

you might better understand my situation.

Cheers,

Darrin

>

> From: mrossgrpgmail (DOT) com

> Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 20:38:31 -0400

> Subject: Re: [ ] Re: need advice on doctors

>

> Darrin Vernier wrote:

> >

> >

> > Hello ,

> >

> > You and Joe certainly gave some useful information.

> >

> > As a child I played with mercury. I received the 1976 swine flu

> > vaccination which was

> >

> > recalled due to causing an unusual amount of neurological conditions.

> >

> > That wasn't the question I asked though so I'll rephrase it.

> >

> > Is the Spectrum test considered very reliable? Is it the same a

> > physician would administer?

> >

> I don't know.

>

> The real point for me is why do you need the " blessing " of a

> diagnosis/label? The treatment is the same whether you call your

> debility something or not: remove the root cause, though a safe

> chelation protocol; and make yourself comfortable and more functional in

> the mean time by addressing the symptoms with natural drugs

> (supplements) and allopathic drugs (medication) where appropriate.

>

> At some point here, we all understand that the label of " physician " does

> not make someone intrinsically knowledgeable or intelligent. Few are

> more than glorified plumbers.

>

> .

>

> >

> > Cheers,

> >

> > Darrin

> >

> > >

> > <mailto:Autism- Mercury%40g roups.com>

> > > From: mrossgrpgmail (DOT) com <mailto:mrossgrp% 40gmail.com>

> > > Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 17:44:44 -0400

> > > Subject: Re: [ ] Re: need advice on doctors

> > >

> > > Madeline Wolfe wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > > Marsha wrote:

> > > >

> > > > >> I think we should all " stick " with our doctors if we can & work to

> > > > >> help educate them by copying good informaion from this group & any

> > > > >> other good sources we can find & then giving it to them.

> > > >

> > > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > Three words: " Not My Job " .

> > > >

> > > > > We all have little enough energy to barely heal ourselves and our

> > > > children.

> > > >

> > > > I totally agree with . It's Saturday, 6 pm; I've been reading,

> > > > reading and reading and, at the same time, trying to keep with all my

> > > > duties (family, work, etc.) since 6 am. My head hurts badly.

> > > > We pay them, but very often they just don't help at all, and *I* am

> > > > the one who should be educating doctors?! Why can't they do this job

> > > > I'm doing?

> > > >

> > > > I'm sorry, I'm not arguing with you Marsha, it's just I feel very

> > > > frustrated today.

> > > >

> > > > On the other hand, I want to thank you all. I've got the most

> > valuable

> > > > information from this group and Dr. Cutler during these last

> > months. I

> > > > almost don't post --Onibasu search and I are good friends ;-) --

> > > >

> > > YES!!! More people here should know about Onibasu (which was broken

> > > yesterday, but is back up).

> > >

> > > Here's a direct link to search Andy's posts in all three groups:

> > >

> > >

> > http://onibasu. com/cgi-bin/ search.cgi? query=%2Bfrom% 3A*cutler*

+YourSearchTerms Here & submit= Search

> > <http://onibasu. com/cgi-bin/ search.cgi? query=%2Bfrom% 3A*cutler*

+YourSearchTerms Here & submit= Search>! & max=20 & sort= score & idxname= nn & idxname=

am & idxname= fdc & idxname= amc

> > >

> > > My number one Bookmark!

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > > but I wanted to let you know I thank you, from the bottom of my

> > > > hearth. Hope a bit of this gratitude help you today, in your own

> > > > struggles.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > >

> > > > M.

> > > >

> > > >