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I think for some people diet can have an effect on symptoms of RA while for others there does not seem to be any effect. I have heard that some foood allergy test (I think it is called a scratch test) can show if a person is likely to benefit from diet changes. I don't think this tells what foods to avoid but it lets you know if this is a worthwhile avenue to pursue. The best way to find out what foods cause sensitivities is to start for a week or two on a very limited diet with only things that are very unlikely to cause allergies and then add a food goup for a week and see if you get worse. It can take a long time to go through all the food groups but that is one way to try. I'm well enough controlled with conventional medications that I'm not willing to try to have enough discipline to do this but it may work. God bless.

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From: StarsHutch@...

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Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2005 8:07 PM

Subject: You are what you eat

Hi everyone,

Not sure if this subject has been brought up on this list, but does anyone here find that

certain foods make your RA worse?

I've found that eliminating (or at least trying to) corn syrup and high fructose corn syrup and

corn had been helping some. It's quite difficult to do that though, as corn syrup is in most

processed foods, yogurt and bread. (Unless I buy organic).

I am a heavy coffee drinker and have been eating a lot of red meat lately, and I am starting to

think that this might be causing my flaring of late. Either that, or the Enbrel that I have

been on is starting to quit.

My co-worker is adamant that I try cutting things out of my diet and seems to think that

certain foods are causing this immune-system disorder. I think she's full of it myself, but

am willing to give it a try as I don't want to call my RA doc and bug him, cause he'll probably switch my meds again.

Becky

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Hi Harold, it's interesting you should mention this because if you talk to people who have tried a liquid fast for a short time most will say that in this time all their arthritic pains disapeared. I believe that this is because the liquid fast allows the digestive system to "rest". However when these same people reintroduce whole foods the symptoms return.

My belief is that the key to this disease, and all Auto Immune disorders is the digestive system. When the digestive system is weak it's obvious we will suffer in our health and the medications that are prescribed for this disease and other auto immune diseases all have a detrimental effect on the digestive system.......hence other diseases crop up.

Our bodies are so sophisticated and complicated, but one thing is sure, pain is a warning that something is wrong, the problem is, I believe, that we aren't addressing what's wrong, we are masking the symptoms with medication.

Now of course I am not saying that people don't need some pain rellief, god knows I did, however, to take that pain relief and not attempt to find a healthy alternative at the same time I think is sad because we did not get this disease because we were not taking meds, although at one time I did try to convince myself that perhaps my body just wasn't producing enough cortizone.

With all this said, I've spoken to many people now who have cured life long allergies and other diseases with one fairly simple change.......digestive enzymes, daily, and minimal diet change. Digestive enzymes are somewhat challenging in todays fast paced life yet the body needs these daily along with other things, but it all starts with the way we digest our food.

Dorey

www.LivingWithRheumatoidArthritis.com

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From: Harold Van Tuyl

Rheumatoid Arthritis

Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2005 9:57 PM

Subject: Re: You are what you eat

I think for some people diet can have an effect on symptoms of RA while for others there does not seem to be any effect. I have heard that some foood allergy test (I think it is called a scratch test) can show if a person is likely to benefit from diet changes. I don't think this tells what foods to avoid but it lets you know if this is a worthwhile avenue to pursue. The best way to find out what foods cause sensitivities is to start for a week or two on a very limited diet with only things that are very unlikely to cause allergies and then add a food goup for a week and see if you get worse. It can take a long time to go through all the food groups but that is one way to try. I'm well enough controlled with conventional medications that I'm not willing to try to have enough discipline to do this but it may work. God bless.

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From: StarsHutch@...

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Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2005 8:07 PM

Subject: You are what you eat

Hi everyone,

Not sure if this subject has been brought up on this list, but does anyone here find that

certain foods make your RA worse?

I've found that eliminating (or at least trying to) corn syrup and high fructose corn syrup and

corn had been helping some. It's quite difficult to do that though, as corn syrup is in most

processed foods, yogurt and bread. (Unless I buy organic).

I am a heavy coffee drinker and have been eating a lot of red meat lately, and I am starting to

think that this might be causing my flaring of late. Either that, or the Enbrel that I have

been on is starting to quit.

My co-worker is adamant that I try cutting things out of my diet and seems to think that

certain foods are causing this immune-system disorder. I think she's full of it myself, but

am willing to give it a try as I don't want to call my RA doc and bug him, cause he'll probably switch my meds again.

Becky

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Hi Becky ,

Just wanted to say that yes red meat the worst being

hamburger is a big no no for me but yet it is hard to

stay away from if I have a lot of it I tend to end up

in a tearfull few days , but even with that avoided

i'm not well controlled with my R/A.

--- StarsHutch@... wrote:

> Hi everyone,

>

> Not sure if this subject has been brought up on this

> list, but does anyone

> here find that

> certain foods make your RA worse?

> I've found that eliminating (or at least trying to)

> corn syrup and high

> fructose corn syrup and

> corn had been helping some. It's quite difficult to

> do that though, as corn

> syrup is in most

> processed foods, yogurt and bread. (Unless I buy

> organic).

> I am a heavy coffee drinker and have been eating a

> lot of red meat lately,

> and I am starting to

> think that this might be causing my flaring of late.

> Either that, or the

> Enbrel that I have

> been on is starting to quit.

> My co-worker is adamant that I try cutting things

> out of my diet and seems

> to think that

> certain foods are causing this immune-system

> disorder. I think she's full of

> it myself, but

> am willing to give it a try as I don't want to call

> my RA doc and bug him,

> cause he'll probably switch my meds again.

>

>

> Becky

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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, I agree with you to the extent that some people benefit from diet change wven so far asf getting rid of all their RA symptoms but I do not feel that it is a "one size fits all" solution for RA. I think some people are not benefitted at all by diet change. I think of RA as a syndrome rather than a single disease in that some people have one set of symptoms and others have a different set of symptoms, some are benefitted by one medication and others by a different medication or perhaps by none of the medications. The same variability applies to diet change that what helps one has no effect on others. I don't believe there is any "one size fits all" thing that can be said about RA. God bless.

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From: Dorey

Rheumatoid Arthritis

Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2005 11:42 PM

Subject: Re: You are what you eat

Hi Harold, it's interesting you should mention this because if you talk to people who have tried a liquid fast for a short time most will say that in this time all their arthritic pains disapeared. I believe that this is because the liquid fast allows the digestive system to "rest". However when these same people reintroduce whole foods the symptoms return.

My belief is that the key to this disease, and all Auto Immune disorders is the digestive system. When the digestive system is weak it's obvious we will suffer in our health and the medications that are prescribed for this disease and other auto immune diseases all have a detrimental effect on the digestive system.......hence other diseases crop up.

Our bodies are so sophisticated and complicated, but one thing is sure, pain is a warning that something is wrong, the problem is, I believe, that we aren't addressing what's wrong, we are masking the symptoms with medication.

Now of course I am not saying that people don't need some pain rellief, god knows I did, however, to take that pain relief and not attempt to find a healthy alternative at the same time I think is sad because we did not get this disease because we were not taking meds, although at one time I did try to convince myself that perhaps my body just wasn't producing enough cortizone.

With all this said, I've spoken to many people now who have cured life long allergies and other diseases with one fairly simple change.......digestive enzymes, daily, and minimal diet change. Digestive enzymes are somewhat challenging in todays fast paced life yet the body needs these daily along with other things, but it all starts with the way we digest our food.

Dorey

www.LivingWithRheumatoidArthritis.com

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Harold: You hit it on the head. I've had RA since the mid 60s and experienced just about the full every imaginable drug and assorted cures. Each body reacts differently hence the reason why doctors have such a hard time in helping their clients. They experiment until they find a med that works.

Yes, diet does have an impact. Sugar and red meats especially.Harold Van Tuyl <hvantuyl@...> wrote:

I think for some people diet can have an effect on symptoms of RA while for others there does not seem to be any effect. I have heard that some foood allergy test (I think it is called a scratch test) can show if a person is likely to benefit from diet changes. I don't think this tells what foods to avoid but it lets you know if this is a worthwhile avenue to pursue. The best way to find out what foods cause sensitivities is to start for a week or two on a very limited diet with only things that are very unlikely to cause allergies and then add a food goup for a week and see if you get worse. It can take a long time to go through all the food groups but that is one way to try. I'm well enough controlled with conventional medications that I'm not willing to try to have enough discipline to do this but it may work. God bless.

----- Original Message -----

From: StarsHutch@...

Rheumatoid Arthritis

Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2005 8:07 PM

Subject: You are what you eat

Hi everyone,

Not sure if this subject has been brought up on this list, but does anyone here find that

certain foods make your RA worse?

I've found that eliminating (or at least trying to) corn syrup and high fructose corn syrup and

corn had been helping some. It's quite difficult to do that though, as corn syrup is in most

processed foods, yogurt and bread. (Unless I buy organic).

I am a heavy coffee drinker and have been eating a lot of red meat lately, and I am starting to

think that this might be causing my flaring of late. Either that, or the Enbrel that I have

been on is starting to quit.

My co-worker is adamant that I try cutting things out of my diet and seems to think that

certain foods are causing this immune-system disorder. I think she's full of it myself, but

am willing to give it a try as I don't want to call my RA doc and bug him, cause he'll probably switch my meds again.

Becky

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In a message dated 9/16/2005 4:59:47 P.M. Central Standard Time, kentuckycowboy2@... writes:

Hi Becky , Just wanted to say that yes red meat the worst beinghamburger is a big no no for me but yet it is hard tostay away from if I have a lot of it I tend to end upin a tearfull few days , but even with that avoidedi'm not well controlled with my R/A.

Thanks and to all of those who have replied. I have been on Enbrel for 8 weeks and

Prednisone for a little over a year. When it was really hot here in Minnesota I was doing

great (But still had some MTX in system when I started the Enbrel). Now it's cooler here,

I've been working overtime recently at a job that I hate and I have been eating ground beef

and tomato sauce more than I usually do and I may have a virus. Any or all of these

could be contributing to the flare up that I am having now.

I don't want to think that the Enbrel might not be working and instead maybe it's from trying to get off of Prednisone too quickly.

I feel better when I am at home, and since by doctor said that stress is a contributing factor

to RA I think my job might be causing 50% of the RA.

I don't think I can give up coffee, but I am willing to give up red meat and tomato-anything

for a while to see if that helps. I've done it before, so no problem.

Becky

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I guess I may have to either grin and bear it because I love red meat

or I may have to become a vegetarian (no offense to vegetarians, but

it's not for me.) When I want a hamburger, I want a hamburger not a

soy burger or turkey burger. I want ground beef. Better yet, direct

me to the nearest Steak'nShake for a steakburger. I suppose if things

get really bad, I don't know what I'm going to do. Cry, I suppose.

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I love Steak and Shake burgers..they are

about the only one's I eat besides home made. Never noticed any

difference in my RA with the foods I eat...I just eat what I want...my

RA triggers is usually the cold from the indoor ice rinks or the

barometer..That's the only thing I noticed that changes the way I

feel. Guess everyone is different.

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cat_lady20042003 wrote:

I guess I may have to either grin and bear it because I love red meat or I may have to become a vegetarian (no offense to vegetarians, but it's not for me.) When I want a hamburger, I want a hamburger not a soy burger or turkey burger. I want ground beef. Better yet, direct me to the nearest Steak'nShake for a steakburger. I suppose if things get really bad, I don't know what I'm going to do. Cry, I suppose.

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What in the world is Steak and Shake??? Wait... I probably don't want to know on my current "points" Weight Watchers lifestyle right!?!?!?!?On Sep 16, 2005, at 7:48 PM, Maggie wrote: I love Steak and Shake burgers..they are about the only one's I eat besides home made. Never noticed any difference in my RA with the foods I eat...I just eat what I want...my RA triggers is usually the cold from the indoor ice rinks or the barometer..That's the only thing I noticed that changes the way I feel.  Guess everyone is different.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Maggie

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MSN: Maggies1429

AOL: Maggies85 cat_lady20042003 wrote: I guess I may have to either grin and bear it because I love red meat or I may have to become a vegetarian (no offense to vegetarians, but it's not for me.) When I want a hamburger, I want a hamburger not a soy burger or turkey burger. I want ground beef. Better yet, direct me to the nearest Steak'nShake for a steakburger. I suppose if things get really bad, I don't know what I'm going to do. Cry, I suppose.

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LOL....sorry....this sounds "obscene" in that American....ooooooooh....well, Chippendale's kinda way........sorry..advance apologies to the middle American's....It's hard not to laugh at the name nevertheless.....Hmmmmmmmmmmmm Am I the only woman who found this funny??????Sam Rocci <samrocci@...> wrote:

What in the world is Steak and Shake??? Wait... I probably don't want to know on my current "points" Weight Watchers lifestyle right!?!?!?!?

On Sep 16, 2005, at 7:48 PM, Maggie wrote:

I love Steak and Shake burgers..they are about the only one's I eat besides home made. Never noticed any difference in my RA with the foods I eat...I just eat what I want...my RA triggers is usually the cold from the indoor ice rinks or the barometer..That's the only thing I noticed that changes the way I feel. Guess everyone is different. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Maggie

http://www.4HockeyFans.com

http://www.4FloridaHockey.com

MSN: Maggies1429

AOL: Maggies85cat_lady20042003 wrote: I guess I may have to either grin and bear it because I love red meat or I may have to become a vegetarian (no offense to vegetarians, but it's not for me.) When I want a hamburger, I want a hamburger not a soy burger or turkey burger. I want ground beef. Better yet, direct me to the nearest Steak'nShake for a steakburger. I suppose if things get really bad, I don't know what I'm going to do. Cry, I suppose.

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The wine is muddling my brain... i am lost... What the heck do naked men have to do with a place called Steak and Shake.... oh wait a minute men, shake, steak... something's funny in there.... :)On Sep 16, 2005, at 10:18 PM, NKM wrote: LOL....sorry....this sounds "obscene" in that American....ooooooooh....well, Chippendale's kinda way........sorry..advance apologies to the middle American's....It's hard not to laugh at the name nevertheless.....Hmmmmmmmmmmmm Am I the only woman who found this funny??????Sam Rocci <samrocci@...> wrote: What in the world is Steak and Shake??? Wait... I probably don't want to know on my current "points" Weight Watchers lifestyle right!?!?!?!? On Sep 16, 2005, at 7:48 PM, Maggie wrote: I love Steak and Shake burgers..they are about the only one's I eat besides home made. Never noticed any difference in my RA with the foods I eat...I just eat what I want...my RA triggers is usually the cold from the indoor ice rinks or the barometer..That's the only thing I noticed that changes the way I feel.  Guess everyone is different. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Maggie

http://www.4HockeyFans.com

http://www.4FloridaHockey.com

MSN: Maggies1429

AOL: Maggies85cat_lady20042003 wrote: I guess I may have to either grin and bear it because I love red meat or I may have to become a vegetarian (no offense to vegetarians, but it's not for me.) When I want a hamburger, I want a hamburger not a soy burger or turkey burger. I want ground beef. Better yet, direct me to the nearest Steak'nShake for a steakburger. I suppose if things get really bad, I don't know what I'm going to do. Cry, I suppose.

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I've been working overtime recently at a job that

> I hate

Yes Becky ,

This will cause a lot of problems with our

conditions no douth , been there done that .

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: ) Yeah....it's Friday night, we're allowed a glass of wine right? Okay, like I said....I apologize in advance to those who don't share my sense of humor in the "ordinary".....I'm sure the Shake and Steak guys are all very wholesome and professional........just like the "Hooter's" girls are all about the "excellent poultry cuisine" right???Sam Rocci <samrocci@...> wrote:

The wine is muddling my brain... i am lost... What the heck do naked men have to do with a place called Steak and Shake.... oh wait a minute men, shake, steak... something's funny in there.... :)

On Sep 16, 2005, at 10:18 PM, NKM wrote:

LOL....sorry....this sounds "obscene" in that American....ooooooooh....well, Chippendale's kinda way........sorry..advance apologies to the middle American's....It's hard not to laugh at the name nevertheless.....Hmmmmmmmmmmmm Am I the only woman who found this funny??????Sam Rocci <samrocci@...> wrote: What in the world is Steak and Shake??? Wait... I probably don't want to know on my current "points" Weight Watchers lifestyle right!?!?!?!?

On Sep 16, 2005, at 7:48 PM, Maggie wrote:

I love Steak and Shake burgers..they are about the only one's I eat besides home made. Never noticed any difference in my RA with the foods I eat...I just eat what I want...my RA triggers is usually the cold from the indoor ice rinks or the barometer..That's the only thing I noticed that changes the way I feel. Guess everyone is different. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Maggie

http://www.4HockeyFans.com

http://www.4FloridaHockey.com

MSN: Maggies1429

AOL: Maggies85cat_lady20042003 wrote: I guess I may have to either grin and bear it because I love red meat or I may have to become a vegetarian (no offense to vegetarians, but it's not for me.) When I want a hamburger, I want a hamburger not a soy burger or turkey burger. I want ground beef. Better yet, direct me to the nearest Steak'nShake for a steakburger. I suppose if things get really bad, I don't know what I'm going to do. Cry, I suppose.

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lol..............ewwwwwwww I don't think I want to eat a hamburger in this place.

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Sent: Friday, September 16, 2005 10:27 PM

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The wine is muddling my brain... i am lost... What the heck do naked men have to do with a place called Steak and Shake.... oh wait a minute men, shake, steak... something's funny in there.... :)

On Sep 16, 2005, at 10:18 PM, NKM wrote:

LOL....sorry....this sounds "obscene" in that American....ooooooooh....well, Chippendale's kinda way........sorry..advance apologies to the middle American's....It's hard not to laugh at the name nevertheless.....Hmmmmmmmmmmmm Am I the only woman who found this funny??????Sam Rocci <samrocci@...> wrote: What in the world is Steak and Shake??? Wait... I probably don't want to know on my current "points" Weight Watchers lifestyle right!?!?!?!?

On Sep 16, 2005, at 7:48 PM, Maggie wrote:

I love Steak and Shake burgers..they are about the only one's I eat besides home made. Never noticed any difference in my RA with the foods I eat...I just eat what I want...my RA triggers is usually the cold from the indoor ice rinks or the barometer..That's the only thing I noticed that changes the way I feel. Guess everyone is different. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Maggie

http://www.4HockeyFans.com

http://www.4FloridaHockey.com

MSN: Maggies1429

AOL: Maggies85cat_lady20042003 wrote: I guess I may have to either grin and bear it because I love red meat or I may have to become a vegetarian (no offense to vegetarians, but it's not for me.) When I want a hamburger, I want a hamburger not a soy burger or turkey burger. I want ground beef. Better yet, direct me to the nearest Steak'nShake for a steakburger. I suppose if things get really bad, I don't know what I'm going to do. Cry, I suppose.

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Hi Becky, I control my RA completely with what I eat. All the foods you mentioned are very bad for the digestive system. My belief has become, slow digestive system equals weak immune system causing disease.

Dorey

www.LivingWithRheumatoidArthritis.com

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From: StarsHutch@...

Rheumatoid Arthritis

Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2005 8:07 PM

Subject: You are what you eat

Hi everyone,

Not sure if this subject has been brought up on this list, but does anyone here find that

certain foods make your RA worse?

I've found that eliminating (or at least trying to) corn syrup and high fructose corn syrup and

corn had been helping some. It's quite difficult to do that though, as corn syrup is in most

processed foods, yogurt and bread. (Unless I buy organic).

I am a heavy coffee drinker and have been eating a lot of red meat lately, and I am starting to

think that this might be causing my flaring of late. Either that, or the Enbrel that I have

been on is starting to quit.

My co-worker is adamant that I try cutting things out of my diet and seems to think that

certain foods are causing this immune-system disorder. I think she's full of it myself, but

am willing to give it a try as I don't want to call my RA doc and bug him, cause he'll probably switch my meds again.

Becky

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Hi and all,

Do you think there is some sort of happy medium? I know I can cut down on

red meat but don't think I can cut it out completely, and I have cut a lot of

sugars from my diet but the thought of never having ice cream again is quite

sad!

The one " food " that I saw an immediate cause and effect with was caffeine.

When I cut that out, it helped the pain in my breasts and surrounding

Costochondritis very much. I was able to give it up because it helped so

quickly. Now I just have decaf, or herbal tea, with a very occasional regular

coffee or Coke. Chocolate is also a trigger for me so I try to have that very

sparingly as well.

--- In Rheumatoid Arthritis , Dorey <ddorey@s...>

wrote:

> Hi Becky, I control my RA completely with what I eat. All the foods you

mentioned are very bad for the digestive system. My belief has become, slow

digestive system equals weak immune system causing disease.

>

> Dorey

> www.LivingWithRheumatoidArthritis.com

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: StarsHutch@a...

> Rheumatoid Arthritis

> Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2005 8:07 PM

> Subject: You are what you eat

>

>

> Hi everyone,

>

> Not sure if this subject has been brought up on this list, but does anyone

here find that

> certain foods make your RA worse?

> I've found that eliminating (or at least trying to) corn syrup and high

fructose

corn syrup and

> corn had been helping some. It's quite difficult to do that though, as corn

syrup is in most

> processed foods, yogurt and bread. (Unless I buy organic).

> I am a heavy coffee drinker and have been eating a lot of red meat lately,

and I am starting to

> think that this might be causing my flaring of late. Either that, or the

Enbrel

that I have

> been on is starting to quit.

> My co-worker is adamant that I try cutting things out of my diet and seems

to think that

> certain foods are causing this immune-system disorder. I think she's full of

it myself, but

> am willing to give it a try as I don't want to call my RA doc and bug him,

cause he'll probably switch my meds again.

>

>

> Becky

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Hi , I understand your concern, but like you found with the

coffee, once you saw the definite results you had little trouble staying

away, so too goes with other foods when you see the huge

results............However, having said this, I'm not perfect with what I

eat. I just know the things that trigger an attack and I know how to keep

my digestive system working well. So with this knowledge I can pick the

occassional time to have that food that I really want........Basically if

you eat very well 70% of the time then 30% of the time you can have a little

of that " not so good " food and still keep your digestive system in tact.

But everyday the body needs digestive enyzmes to keep the digestion going.

This is a challenge since most fruit and vegetable is stored these days and

the storage process kills off much of the natural enzymes so taking

something that contains enzymes everyday is very beneficial.

I've never given up alcohol completely, (except during the detox) I enjoy a

blueberry tea, too often, but that's my indulgence, for you it might be

something else.

There are obvious foods, white sugar, wheat, caffienne, chemicals that

everyone should stay away from but for each person there might be some

specific food that is an irritant, that's why testing on your own body is

necessary.

For instance I don't have a trouble with red meat so I have this on

occassion but bread is a killer for me.

Dorey

www.LivingWithRheumatoidArthritis.com

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Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2005 3:15 PM

Subject: Re: You are what you eat

> Hi and all,

>

> Do you think there is some sort of happy medium? I know I can cut down on

> red meat but don't think I can cut it out completely, and I have cut a lot

> of

> sugars from my diet but the thought of never having ice cream again is

> quite

> sad!

>

> The one " food " that I saw an immediate cause and effect with was caffeine.

> When I cut that out, it helped the pain in my breasts and surrounding

> Costochondritis very much. I was able to give it up because it helped so

> quickly. Now I just have decaf, or herbal tea, with a very occasional

> regular

> coffee or Coke. Chocolate is also a trigger for me so I try to have that

> very

> sparingly as well.

>

>

>

>

>> Hi Becky, I control my RA completely with what I eat. All the foods you

> mentioned are very bad for the digestive system. My belief has become,

> slow

> digestive system equals weak immune system causing disease.

>>

>> Dorey

>> www.LivingWithRheumatoidArthritis.com

>> ----- Original Message -----

>> From: StarsHutch@a...

>> Rheumatoid Arthritis

>> Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2005 8:07 PM

>> Subject: You are what you eat

>>

>>

>> Hi everyone,

>>

>> Not sure if this subject has been brought up on this list, but does

>> anyone

> here find that

>> certain foods make your RA worse?

>> I've found that eliminating (or at least trying to) corn syrup and high

>> fructose

> corn syrup and

>> corn had been helping some. It's quite difficult to do that though, as

>> corn

> syrup is in most

>> processed foods, yogurt and bread. (Unless I buy organic).

>> I am a heavy coffee drinker and have been eating a lot of red meat

>> lately,

> and I am starting to

>> think that this might be causing my flaring of late. Either that, or

>> the Enbrel

> that I have

>> been on is starting to quit.

>> My co-worker is adamant that I try cutting things out of my diet and

>> seems

> to think that

>> certain foods are causing this immune-system disorder. I think she's

>> full of

> it myself, but

>> am willing to give it a try as I don't want to call my RA doc and bug

>> him,

> cause he'll probably switch my meds again.

>>

>>

>> Becky

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I don't think that any of the common foods are necessarily bad for everyone if used in moderation. Some may tend to cause obesity or high cholesterol or some other problem and if you use those foods you need to check to see that your blood work stays in a reasonable range. Some foods cause food allergy problems more often than others but some people stand these foods quite well. I don't believe in "one size fits all" statements. God bless.

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From: Dorey

Rheumatoid Arthritis

Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2005 6:47 PM

Subject: Re: Re: You are what you eat

Hi , I understand your concern, but like you found with the coffee, once you saw the definite results you had little trouble staying away, so too goes with other foods when you see the huge results............However, having said this, I'm not perfect with what I eat. I just know the things that trigger an attack and I know how to keep my digestive system working well. So with this knowledge I can pick the occassional time to have that food that I really want........Basically if you eat very well 70% of the time then 30% of the time you can have a little of that "not so good" food and still keep your digestive system in tact. But everyday the body needs digestive enyzmes to keep the digestion going. This is a challenge since most fruit and vegetable is stored these days and the storage process kills off much of the natural enzymes so taking something that contains enzymes everyday is very beneficial.I've never given up alcohol completely, (except during the detox) I enjoy a blueberry tea, too often, but that's my indulgence, for you it might be something else.There are obvious foods, white sugar, wheat, caffienne, chemicals that everyone should stay away from but for each person there might be some specific food that is an irritant, that's why testing on your own body is necessary.For instance I don't have a trouble with red meat so I have this on occassion but bread is a killer for me. Doreywww.LivingWithRheumatoidArthritis.com

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I give up, , what is wrong with blueberry tea???

> >> Hi Becky, I control my RA completely with what I eat. All the foods you

> > mentioned are very bad for the digestive system. My belief has become,

> > slow

> > digestive system equals weak immune system causing disease.

> >>

> >> Dorey

> >> www.LivingWithRheumatoidArthritis.com

> >> ----- Original Message -----

> >> From: StarsHutch@a...

> >> Rheumatoid Arthritis

> >> Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2005 8:07 PM

> >> Subject: You are what you eat

> >>

> >>

> >> Hi everyone,

> >>

> >> Not sure if this subject has been brought up on this list, but does

> >> anyone

> > here find that

> >> certain foods make your RA worse?

> >> I've found that eliminating (or at least trying to) corn syrup and high

> >> fructose

> > corn syrup and

> >> corn had been helping some. It's quite difficult to do that though, as

> >> corn

> > syrup is in most

> >> processed foods, yogurt and bread. (Unless I buy organic).

> >> I am a heavy coffee drinker and have been eating a lot of red meat

> >> lately,

> > and I am starting to

> >> think that this might be causing my flaring of late. Either that, or

> >> the Enbrel

> > that I have

> >> been on is starting to quit.

> >> My co-worker is adamant that I try cutting things out of my diet and

> >> seems

> > to think that

> >> certain foods are causing this immune-system disorder. I think she's

> >> full of

> > it myself, but

> >> am willing to give it a try as I don't want to call my RA doc and bug

> >> him,

> > cause he'll probably switch my meds again.

> >>

> >>

> >> Becky

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

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Make sure you check the saturated fat on everything you buy at the grocery and the sodium too. Keep it simple. Everyone should have a serving of vegetables, a serving of protein (chicken, meat, fish eggs or nuts) and a carboydrate, be it pasta, bread, cereal or potato. Also a serving of fiber and dairy for calcium. I always make a chicken breast with asparagus and potato. Chicken soup has veggies in it, and pasta too which helps. I have a salad and some dessert, ice cream usually and I have my magic "5" healthy pyramid for the day. Be well everyone, Deborah

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Oh nothing except the Ameretto and Gran Marnier. lol

Dorey

----- Original Message -----

From: " " <catdelouise@...>

<Rheumatoid Arthritis >

Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2005 6:07 PM

Subject: Re: You are what you eat

>I give up, , what is wrong with blueberry tea???

>

>

>

>

>> >> Hi Becky, I control my RA completely with what I eat. All the foods

>> >> you

>> > mentioned are very bad for the digestive system. My belief has become,

>> > slow

>> > digestive system equals weak immune system causing disease.

>> >>

>> >> Dorey

>> >> www.LivingWithRheumatoidArthritis.com

>> >> ----- Original Message -----

>> >> From: StarsHutch@a...

>> >> Rheumatoid Arthritis

>> >> Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2005 8:07 PM

>> >> Subject: You are what you eat

>> >>

>> >>

>> >> Hi everyone,

>> >>

>> >> Not sure if this subject has been brought up on this list, but does

>> >> anyone

>> > here find that

>> >> certain foods make your RA worse?

>> >> I've found that eliminating (or at least trying to) corn syrup and

>> >> high

>> >> fructose

>> > corn syrup and

>> >> corn had been helping some. It's quite difficult to do that though,

>> >> as

>> >> corn

>> > syrup is in most

>> >> processed foods, yogurt and bread. (Unless I buy organic).

>> >> I am a heavy coffee drinker and have been eating a lot of red meat

>> >> lately,

>> > and I am starting to

>> >> think that this might be causing my flaring of late. Either that,

>> >> or

>> >> the Enbrel

>> > that I have

>> >> been on is starting to quit.

>> >> My co-worker is adamant that I try cutting things out of my diet and

>> >> seems

>> > to think that

>> >> certain foods are causing this immune-system disorder. I think she's

>> >> full of

>> > it myself, but

>> >> am willing to give it a try as I don't want to call my RA doc and

>> >> bug

>> >> him,

>> > cause he'll probably switch my meds again.

>> >>

>> >>

>> >> Becky

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>

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What you said about checking the saturated fat and sodium really makes

sense to me. My father is on dialysis and is on a very limited diet.

My youngest brother will really check the ingredients for the sodium

count or whatever. He is always looking online for recipes our mother

can fix for our father. He'll buy some groceries now and then for my

parents trying to find some foods our father can have. I have a

tendency to do the same thing. If nothing else, I'm careful about my

sodium intake

Susie

> Make sure you check the saturated fat on everything you buy at the

grocery

> and the sodium too. Keep it simple. Everyone should have a serving

of

> vegetables, a serving of protein (chicken, meat, fish eggs or nuts)

and a carboydrate,

> be it pasta, bread, cereal or potato. Also a serving of fiber and

dairy for

> calcium. I always make a chicken breast with asparagus and potato.

Chicken

> soup has veggies in it, and pasta too which helps. I have a salad

and some

> dessert, ice cream usually and I have my magic " 5 " healthy pyramid

for the day.

> Be well everyone, Deborah

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