Guest guest Posted January 11, 2010 Report Share Posted January 11, 2010 Have you done anything for liver and kidney cleansing and support? You will get the inability to tolerate B vitamins, cod liver oils and DMG with a congested liver or kidneys. Regards, Summer McFarland 1.22 HEAL KIDS 1.224.325.5437 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------------------------------------- Over fourteen years of organic search engine optimization, marketing and design. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2010 Report Share Posted January 11, 2010 Did you look at Max Stress B by Dr. Marshall? It is a whole B spectrum that is predigested and easily, readily absorbed and tolerated. Doing the oral powder that you have, you could just start small and work up. Where (on the body) were you getting injections? Regards, Summer McFarland 1.22 HEAL KIDS 1.224.325.5437 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------------------------------------- Over fourteen years of organic search engine optimization, marketing and design. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2010 Report Share Posted January 11, 2010 I will look into the Max Stress formula. We were injecting my son in the buttocks - as recommended in the Neubrander protocol. He has been off the shots for a year now. Irene > > Did you look at Max Stress B by Dr. Marshall? It is a whole B spectrum that is predigested and easily, readily absorbed and tolerated. > > Doing the oral powder that you have, you could just start small and work up. > > Where (on the body) were you getting injections? > > Regards, > > Summer McFarland > 1.22 HEAL KIDS > 1.224.325.5437 > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------------------------------------- > Over fourteen years of organic search engine optimization, marketing and design. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2010 Report Share Posted January 11, 2010 Hi . We were giving it once every three days, when we noticed regression we stretched it to once every four and then five days, but he still was reacting badly, after an initial 6 month period of gains. We felt after a while he was fully loaded on b12. But again it has been a year, and we wonder if might need it again. Irene > > > > My son used to get methy lB12 shots which initially helped a lot with language but after about 6 or 8 months, it caused regression. So we stopped the shots, and he was fine. In fact about 9 months ago he did not do well with any b vitamins anymore, or any folic acid or dmg, any methylators, so we stopped all b vitamins, folic etc, and his behavior improved drastically. Chelation has been really going well since then and we have seen lots of gains. But just recently, we noticed that our son, who has been verbalizing a lot, has seemed to be struggling for his words again. So we are trying to figure out what is lacking. We do not want to return to the shots, or vitamin B6 which made him a maniac. He does have phenol issues, which I read in the archives can pose a problem. > > > > Anyway, we were thinking of trying oral B12 as a better route as Andy recommends. We have Kirkman's concentrated methylcobalamin powder, but have no idea how to dose it. One scoop is 5000 mcg. Is anyone out there using this? How much do you give to start? And how much folic or folinic do you give with it? We can't do lozenges, or lollipops or sprays of any kind - as there is no way we would get any type of compliance with these routes- so we thought the powder might work, since it could be mixed in water or with other vites and delivered by syringe. A lot of the liquids out there have additives and things like stevia which he does not tolerate. We thought if we gave it with a no phenol enzyme that it might cut off any hyperactivity. > > > > Just wondered if any of you with experience with the oral route could advise us. > > > > Thanks. Irene > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2010 Report Share Posted January 11, 2010 Irene, Its my understanding it can take years to deplete b12, this is why vegetarians can go so long before running into trouble. I found with my son that he had initial gains followed by regression with b12 too. The odd time I will give him dibencozide and it doesn't seem to cause the same effects as the methyl-b12 (negative effects). I am not sure you need to bark up the b12 tree.. might be something else.. can you swing a blood test to double check? From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of iflow97 Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 8:25 PM Subject: [ ] Re: How to dose oral B12 Hi . We were giving it once every three days, when we noticed regression we stretched it to once every four and then five days, but he still was reacting badly, after an initial 6 month period of gains. We felt after a while he was fully loaded on b12. But again it has been a year, and we wonder if might need it again. Irene > > > > My son used to get methy lB12 shots which initially helped a lot with language but after about 6 or 8 months, it caused regression. So we stopped the shots, and he was fine. In fact about 9 months ago he did not do well with any b vitamins anymore, or any folic acid or dmg, any methylators, so we stopped all b vitamins, folic etc, and his behavior improved drastically. Chelation has been really going well since then and we have seen lots of gains. But just recently, we noticed that our son, who has been verbalizing a lot, has seemed to be struggling for his words again. So we are trying to figure out what is lacking. We do not want to return to the shots, or vitamin B6 which made him a maniac. He does have phenol issues, which I read in the archives can pose a problem. > > > > Anyway, we were thinking of trying oral B12 as a better route as Andy recommends. We have Kirkman's concentrated methylcobalamin powder, but have no idea how to dose it. One scoop is 5000 mcg. Is anyone out there using this? How much do you give to start? And how much folic or folinic do you give with it? We can't do lozenges, or lollipops or sprays of any kind - as there is no way we would get any type of compliance with these routes- so we thought the powder might work, since it could be mixed in water or with other vites and delivered by syringe. A lot of the liquids out there have additives and things like stevia which he does not tolerate. We thought if we gave it with a no phenol enzyme that it might cut off any hyperactivity. > > > > Just wondered if any of you with experience with the oral route could advise us. > > > > Thanks. Irene > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2010 Report Share Posted January 12, 2010 > Anyway, we were thinking of trying oral B12 as a better route as Andy recommends. We have Kirkman's concentrated methylcobalamin powder, but have no idea how to dose it. One scoop is 5000 mcg. Is anyone out there using this? How much do you give to start? I used Jarrow, which is 5mg [or 5000mcg] per sublingual/chewable tablet. I started lower tho, with Natural Factors, which is 1mg/1000mcg per tablet. >>And how much folic or folinic do you give with it? In the beginning, almost an entire bottle, but most kids do okay with 1600mcg. Both B12 and folic required carnitine here for proper absorption. And the B12 also required B2. Watch for yeast overgrowth. Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2010 Report Share Posted January 12, 2010 Thanks to all who responded with the helpful information. I do not know if my son needs the B12 or not now - I can't really take him for a blood test, he just had a series of blood tests and he goes nuts when we draw blood. Someone suggested muscle testing to me - but his ND is out of state and we won't see him for a couple of months. I may do just a small low dose trial as Dana and others suggested and see how it goes. If he doesn't need or tolerate it, I will know it right away. Thanks again. Irene Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2010 Report Share Posted January 12, 2010 I am using the spray once a day,I guess that's good enough.I am so prone to regression,I don't want to push it.Do the shots have a higher dose than the spray? > > > > > > My son used to get methy lB12 shots which initially helped a lot with language but after about 6 or 8 months, it caused regression. So we stopped the shots, and he was fine. In fact about 9 months ago he did not do well with any b vitamins anymore, or any folic acid or dmg, any methylators, so we stopped all b vitamins, folic etc, and his behavior improved drastically. Chelation has been really going well since then and we have seen lots of gains. But just recently, we noticed that our son, who has been verbalizing a lot, has seemed to be struggling for his words again. So we are trying to figure out what is lacking. We do not want to return to the shots, or vitamin B6 which made him a maniac. He does have phenol issues, which I read in the archives can pose a problem. > > > > > > Anyway, we were thinking of trying oral B12 as a better route as Andy recommends. We have Kirkman's concentrated methylcobalamin powder, but have no idea how to dose it. One scoop is 5000 mcg. Is anyone out there using this? How much do you give to start? And how much folic or folinic do you give with it? We can't do lozenges, or lollipops or sprays of any kind - as there is no way we would get any type of compliance with these routes- so we thought the powder might work, since it could be mixed in water or with other vites and delivered by syringe. A lot of the liquids out there have additives and things like stevia which he does not tolerate. We thought if we gave it with a no phenol enzyme that it might cut off any hyperactivity. > > > > > > Just wondered if any of you with experience with the oral route could advise us. > > > > > > Thanks. Irene > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2010 Report Share Posted January 12, 2010 You need it if you have multiple methylation defects,and develop megaloblastic amemia if you don't use it.These are not just the " latest and greatest " or " unnecessary " tests.If you have these defects,you cannot recover from yout autism if you don't address them.No they aren't the CAUSE,but they are a big factor. > > Irene, > > > > Its my understanding it can take years to deplete b12, this is why > vegetarians can go so long before running into trouble. I found with my son > that he had initial gains followed by regression with b12 too. The odd time > I will give him dibencozide and it doesn't seem to cause the same effects as > the methyl-b12 (negative effects). I am not sure you need to bark up the b12 > tree.. might be something else.. can you swing a blood test to double check? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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