Re: need advice on doctors

[Guest guest]

Many people chelate on this list without a doctor for that very reason. Read the

info in the files section here and the FAQs.

Get Andy's book Amalgam illness.

Get a hair test, apply the counting rules.

Get started.

TJ

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From: hutsok <hutsok@...>

Sent: Fri, March 26, 2010 11:02:18 AM

Subject: [ ] need advice on doctors

 

I took my 6 year old son to his pediatrician yesterday. I have used this

doctor for 15 years. My son is showing signs of autism. Well my doctor

made it clear she is against alternative medicine. I brought up chelation

and curing autism and she says nothing is scientific nor proven and the only

thing she recommended at this point is speech therapy. When I mentioned

biomedicine she looked at me like I had two heads. The only thing she could

come up with is nothing is scientific. She kept repeating this over and

over. Needless to say I am looking for a new doctor for my children. I

also have a daughter that is ADHD. My question to all of you is can anyone

recommend a doctor in Oklahoma that deals with children and on working with

you on curing kids with autism and adhd through chelation and other methods.

I am very overwhelmed right now and am looking for a place to start. Should

I be looking for a DAN Doctor?

Kim in OK

[Guest guest]

Thanks TJ. I have started chelating with ALA, giving lots of vitamins and

probiotics. I just got some OLE for them to start taking and will be adding

DMSA. The school is pushing me to get testing done and I feel like they

think I am a bad parent because they don't think I am doing anything about

my sons issues and believe me I am doing everything I can. I refuse to

vaccinate any further or medicate my children just to get by academically.

In fact I was proud of myself two days ago I took my son to a dentist

appointment and he has a cavity. They want to put an aluminum filling in

and I told them no metals of any kind. They said they understood and have

had a few that have asked for that as well. The dentist even went on to say

that her brother will not let her touch his kids teeth with any kind of

metal for the same reason. It is all very frustrating.

I wouldn't have known about these things if it wasn't for this group.

Thanks everyone for sharing your information!

Kim in OK

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From: [mailto: ]

On Behalf Of TJ Werth

Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 1:10 PM

Subject: Re: [ ] need advice on doctors

Many people chelate on this list without a doctor for that very reason. Read

the info in the files section here and the FAQs.

Get Andy's book Amalgam illness.

Get a hair test, apply the counting rules.

Get started.

TJ

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From: hutsok <hutsokwindstream (DOT) <mailto:hutsok%40windstream.net> net>

@ <mailto: %40>

Sent: Fri, March 26, 2010 11:02:18 AM

Subject: [ ] need advice on doctors

I took my 6 year old son to his pediatrician yesterday. I have used this

doctor for 15 years. My son is showing signs of autism. Well my doctor

made it clear she is against alternative medicine. I brought up chelation

and curing autism and she says nothing is scientific nor proven and the only

thing she recommended at this point is speech therapy. When I mentioned

biomedicine she looked at me like I had two heads. The only thing she could

come up with is nothing is scientific. She kept repeating this over and

over. Needless to say I am looking for a new doctor for my children. I

also have a daughter that is ADHD. My question to all of you is can anyone

recommend a doctor in Oklahoma that deals with children and on working with

you on curing kids with autism and adhd through chelation and other methods.

I am very overwhelmed right now and am looking for a place to start. Should

I be looking for a DAN Doctor?

Kim in OK

[Guest guest]

>

> I took my 6 year old son to his pediatrician yesterday. I have used this

> doctor for 15 years. My son is showing signs of autism. Well my doctor

> made it clear she is against alternative medicine. I brought up chelation

> and curing autism and she says nothing is scientific nor proven and the only

> thing she recommended at this point is speech therapy. When I mentioned

> biomedicine she looked at me like I had two heads. The only thing she could

> come up with is nothing is scientific. She kept repeating this over and

> over. Needless to say I am looking for a new doctor for my children. I

> also have a daughter that is ADHD. My question to all of you is can anyone

> recommend a doctor in Oklahoma that deals with children and on working with

> you on curing kids with autism and adhd through chelation and other methods.

> I am very overwhelmed right now and am looking for a place to start. Should

> I be looking for a DAN Doctor?

No. Most of them are no more competent than your current doctor. They're just

willing to do things and hurt your kid.

You want a COMPETENT doctor (who may or may not be on the DAN! list), who

understands your child needs the best care he can get, to recover, regardless of

any pretense by incompetent fools practicing medicine without a clue about what

is or is not 'scientific.'

If you want to know about 'science,' I suggest asking scientists, not

physicians. However you actually do not want to be 'scientific' and turn your

kid into a statistic in someone's grand experiment, you'd rather be artistic and

make him all better. You want a heath care practitioner of some sort who

understands that medicine is an art, illuminated by science but not limited by

it.

>

> Kim in OK

>

>

Andy

http://www.noamalgam.com/index.html

Amalgam Illness: Diagnosis and Treatment

http://www.noamalgam.com/hairtestbook.html

Hair Test Interpretation: Finding Hidden Toxicities

http://www.noamalgam.com/nourishinghope.html

Nourishing Hope for Autism: Nutrition Intervention for Healing Our Children

http://www.noamalgam.com/biologicaltreatments.html

Biological Treatments for Autism and PDD

[Guest guest]

Thanks for taking the time to respond. I already feel better from

everyone's responses. One of my biggest problems right now is getting my

son to take everything I am giving him. He won't swallow pills and he

starts looking for it in his foods and drinks and when he suspects something

he won't eat it so he is getting very little of what I am trying. He will

take chewables.

Kim

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On Behalf Of Tammy Kuhn

Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 1:22 PM

Subject: Re: [ ] need advice on doctors

If you like this doctor stick with her for what you might need her for. You

are on this list and you'll need everything you need on these lists along

with educating yourself, reading. Parents support, and knowledge of some

professional on this list, years of your time learning, understand, trying

new things. It take detective work and time. Honestly, most of us don't live

next to a DAN doctor nor have the financial resources to spend that kind of

money. Save it.

We did some testing through Great Plains, my doctor signed my old insurance

info or paying cash too, signed the forms. She has seen many gains and I

feel pretty supported by her. She's willing to learn from me and my

experiences. Instead of running, show her the changes, documentation, books,

share web sites, let her see the changes. We basically see our ped once a

year now, I might need to call, once this year, and made one trip in

thinking my youngest at pneumonia. But if you have a good repour with her,

educate her! A good ped is hard to find too.

Tammy

[ ] need advice on doctors

I took my 6 year old son to his pediatrician yesterday. I have used this

doctor for 15 years. My son is showing signs of autism. Well my doctor

made it clear she is against alternative medicine. I brought up chelation

and curing autism and she says nothing is scientific nor proven and the only

thing she recommended at this point is speech therapy. When I mentioned

biomedicine she looked at me like I had two heads. The only thing she could

come up with is nothing is scientific. She kept repeating this over and

over. Needless to say I am looking for a new doctor for my children. I

also have a daughter that is ADHD. My question to all of you is can anyone

recommend a doctor in Oklahoma that deals with children and on working with

you on curing kids with autism and adhd through chelation and other methods.

I am very overwhelmed right now and am looking for a place to start. Should

I be looking for a DAN Doctor?

Kim in OK

[Guest guest]

My son's ped didn't have a clue about biomed he referred to it as  " fringe "

that's when I knew I had to find someone who gets it.  Our solution is to see

two docs. One for nutritional and one for medical. We tried a DAN! but his

fee was high and it wasn't covered by insurance.

 

For nutritional/ biomed guidance we see a naturopathic doctor and for annual

medical checkups or if my son runs a fever, we see a ped. I actually rely more

on the naturopathe and feel my son has had very good results from supplements

and diet. 

 

If you can find a doctor in your area that does both and who also takes

insurance then that's the best solution.

From: hutsok <hutsok@...>

Subject: [ ] need advice on doctors

Date: Friday, March 26, 2010, 2:02 PM

 

I took my 6 year old son to his pediatrician yesterday. I have used this

doctor for 15 years. My son is showing signs of autism. Well my doctor

made it clear she is against alternative medicine. I brought up chelation

and curing autism and she says nothing is scientific nor proven and the only

thing she recommended at this point is speech therapy. When I mentioned

biomedicine she looked at me like I had two heads. The only thing she could

come up with is nothing is scientific. She kept repeating this over and

over. Needless to say I am looking for a new doctor for my children. I

also have a daughter that is ADHD. My question to all of you is can anyone

recommend a doctor in Oklahoma that deals with children and on working with

you on curing kids with autism and adhd through chelation and other methods.

I am very overwhelmed right now and am looking for a place to start. Should

I be looking for a DAN Doctor?

Kim in OK

[Guest guest]

>

> ... Well my doctor made it clear

> she is against alternative medicine. I brought up chelation

> and curing autism and she says nothing is scientific nor proven >....I am

looking for a new doctor for my children. I

> also have a daughter that is ADHD. ...

> can anyone recommend a doctor in Oklahoma ...

> I am very overwhelmed right now and am looking for a place to start....

>

> Kim in OK

Kim, you might check out the Institute for Functional Medicine. They have a

list of doctors. That might give you a chance to find a doctor who takes

insurance but who is open to some alternative options.

http://www.functionalmedicine.org/

Joe

[Guest guest]

Your doctor sounds like a branwashed parrot in repeating, " It's not scientific. "

I wish you the best like everyone else here does in recovering him completely,

Hutsok.

I think we should all " stick " with our doctors if we can & work to help educate

them by copying good informaion from this group & any other good sources we can

find & then giving it to them.

Grandma Marsha

>

> I took my 6 year old son to his pediatrician yesterday. I have used this

> doctor for 15 years. My son is showing signs of autism. Well my doctor

> made it clear she is against alternative medicine. I brought up chelation

> and curing autism and she says nothing is scientific nor proven and the only

> thing she recommended at this point is speech therapy. When I mentioned

> biomedicine she looked at me like I had two heads. The only thing she could

> come up with is nothing is scientific. She kept repeating this over and

> over. Needless to say I am looking for a new doctor for my children. I

> also have a daughter that is ADHD. My question to all of you is can anyone

> recommend a doctor in Oklahoma that deals with children and on working with

> you on curing kids with autism and adhd through chelation and other methods.

> I am very overwhelmed right now and am looking for a place to start. Should

> I be looking for a DAN Doctor?

>

> Kim in OK

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

We lucked out with a DAN! that does AC protocol and takes insurance. $15 is all

we pay for a 90 min visit and we only see him 2-3 times a year at most. Took a

long time to find him tho.

Karla

>

>

> From: hutsok <hutsok@...>

> Subject: [ ] need advice on doctors

>

> Date: Friday, March 26, 2010, 2:02 PM

>

>

>  

>

>

>

> I took my 6 year old son to his pediatrician yesterday. I have used this

> doctor for 15 years. My son is showing signs of autism. Well my doctor

> made it clear she is against alternative medicine. I brought up chelation

> and curing autism and she says nothing is scientific nor proven and the only

> thing she recommended at this point is speech therapy. When I mentioned

> biomedicine she looked at me like I had two heads. The only thing she could

> come up with is nothing is scientific. She kept repeating this over and

> over. Needless to say I am looking for a new doctor for my children. I

> also have a daughter that is ADHD. My question to all of you is can anyone

> recommend a doctor in Oklahoma that deals with children and on working with

> you on curing kids with autism and adhd through chelation and other methods.

> I am very overwhelmed right now and am looking for a place to start. Should

> I be looking for a DAN Doctor?

>

> Kim in OK

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Where you might be interested in analyzing The phenomena? .. . (where you don't

consider this meaningful language? [on topic?] and this would have to be

considered The phenomena, otherwise?!.

You're OK with The phenomena agreeing with you and somewhat thanking you for

what you're doing and giving you something back of as much?!.

I liked the story of the mathematician and the engineer, but it may not be a

given that chelation is that good for where we want to go? some of us, perhaps..

..

What you call art (with respect to our intuition especially? of making it more

automatic, perhaps, of our response to the demands of the situation, of

necessity, even if not especially? if not joy!) I could also consider (and do

so) as the science " within, " (of the science of Understanding if not of the

Individual, somewhat manifest in self-experimentation and analysis, and ABA, of

those who do it properly, as for the more meaningful, reason? Thereof?) of

knowing thyself, (of the primary facts of the primary thing/s, as with our

feeling, of communication and the primary research, of the primary thing,

Thereof?) and who better than the individual in that respect, that we should be

deferring to any authority otherwise, otherwise of Reason? that makes sense to

us of what is right and that we should do of as much? I mean, if not of The

phenomena/l, Thereof.. .

Art, for Understanding?

Yes, that indeed might seem like art to others, and be rightly considered as as

much, I grant you, where God is nothing more than what you believe, (by what you

practice?) looking at " that " another way? .. .

I'm seeing us here as also somewhat of justice socialism (of the indiviudual and

individualism, of the Constitutional, if you will? Feel? so, for as much? for

our selves, Thereof?) vs. political socialism, (abuse, of the individual? for a

so-called greater good otherwise?) that would prefer that we answer to

" authority " (blind obedience? abuse?) rather than the reason of our interests

and intuition, where you would be interested in my analysis in that respect

(including my way of putting it, Thereof) of, I'm trying to bring the

individualized disciplines or whatever of the scientific method together in that

respect (ABA with the bio-medical in particular, and language, of and for

communication even if not especially, where it works as well as I've calculated

it has for me, if nothing else?!. Seeing for yourself what I'm coming up with

and doing in that/this respect?!.

Where an official (political?) language is an " abomination " (contradicton) of

the constitutional to communication and the individual of understanding more for

our selves of as much.. . I Feel as understand!

It's a joy working with people who understand their craft, with such intuitive

intelligence and confidence, (faith?) of their communicating for as much or it

wouldn't be communication and so " reasonable " would be my sense of it, of you,

too!

No, this does not compete with other people's language, or content? .. . Take

what you can from it leaving the rest (of all?) for others, for what that is

worth to them, of the more intelligent choice is ours, Thereof? .. . (Here's

more than hoping so.. . !

It's a pleasure to meet you Andy and thanks for your expertise and all you have

helped us here with of our listening to you (and trying to understand you) in

that respect, as of and for justice, too, if not especially, as I see It.. . Oh,

sweet justice.

Yeah, I'm saying you're/we're serving " justice, " against abuse (more than many,

who should be?) by doing what we do, of what you do. As if merely a *positive*

(nice?) education would be enough to do what needs to be done? towards our

greater objectivity and understanding, of more? You don't need to know math to

appreciate the logic of the positive and the negative to the objectivity of

understanding more, (science?) of as much, of all that is more meaningful,

Thereof, no, I don't think so, any more than that would be thinking.. .

I believe monkeys could understand that, but could they serve justice? .. .

Maybe they do!

Thanks for being as sharply critical (identifying of abuse?) as you are, in

dealing with it, would be my sense of how " justice " (of health, and everything

else of understanding as much) works towards facilitating education as only

justice can.. .

Where being merely positive in an abusive world doesn't teach me what I need to

know nor does it get the job done, as serve justice, I Feel as understand.. .

Glavic

Self-described (Whatever, I Feel I am

Hopefully you don't come after me for my language 'cause, I'm not here for

that?!. Speak as good as you can for what it's all more meaningfully worth?

where communication is what you do understand of It of as much?!. (And not what

you don't?!.)(Where language ain't the thing with me

It'd be about the justice socialists going after the political socialists, trust

me on that, or not.. .

I hope we could work together in that respect, for our absolute purpose, I mean,

of understanding more for our selves! as if the big picture doesn't help in

putting the pieces of the puzzle together (Sheesh?!.)

BWT.

> >

> > I took my 6 year old son to his pediatrician yesterday. I have used this

> > doctor for 15 years. My son is showing signs of autism. Well my doctor

> > made it clear she is against alternative medicine. I brought up chelation

> > and curing autism and she says nothing is scientific nor proven and the only

> > thing she recommended at this point is speech therapy. When I mentioned

> > biomedicine she looked at me like I had two heads. The only thing she could

> > come up with is nothing is scientific. She kept repeating this over and

> > over. Needless to say I am looking for a new doctor for my children. I

> > also have a daughter that is ADHD. My question to all of you is can anyone

> > recommend a doctor in Oklahoma that deals with children and on working with

> > you on curing kids with autism and adhd through chelation and other methods.

> > I am very overwhelmed right now and am looking for a place to start. Should

> > I be looking for a DAN Doctor?

>

> No. Most of them are no more competent than your current doctor. They're

just willing to do things and hurt your kid.

>

> You want a COMPETENT doctor (who may or may not be on the DAN! list), who

understands your child needs the best care he can get, to recover, regardless of

any pretense by incompetent fools practicing medicine without a clue about what

is or is not 'scientific.'

>

> If you want to know about 'science,' I suggest asking scientists, not

physicians. However you actually do not want to be 'scientific' and turn your

kid into a statistic in someone's grand experiment, you'd rather be artistic and

make him all better. You want a heath care practitioner of some sort who

understands that medicine is an art, illuminated by science but not limited by

it.

> >

> > Kim in OK

> >

> >

> Andy

>

> http://www.noamalgam.com/index.html

> Amalgam Illness: Diagnosis and Treatment

>

> http://www.noamalgam.com/hairtestbook.html

> Hair Test Interpretation: Finding Hidden Toxicities

>

> http://www.noamalgam.com/nourishinghope.html

> Nourishing Hope for Autism: Nutrition Intervention for Healing Our Children

>

> http://www.noamalgam.com/biologicaltreatments.html

> Biological Treatments for Autism and PDD

>

[Guest guest]

Yes, I'm calling The phenomena " justice " socialism, (that I would want any other

kind) where the focus is on the individual, (should be on the individual? where

it isn't?) the focus of science, health, education, whatever.. . because without

that, well, science would be rather meaningless to the individual of

understanding more I'd be feeling if not outright wrong in that respect, of what

is life?

I'm amazed at how many people defer everything they're doing to political

socialism, (or something like that, the authority of their subjugation?)

completely contrary to communciation and what is best for the Individual of

Justice and Understanding More that that could be achieved any other way?!. Such

people I consider either confused, stupid (brainswashed?) or, evil!

I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt and just assuming they're confused and

stupid (brainwashed) whatever, of not trying so hard (hard enough?) to be so

understanding? .. .

Serve justice *wherever* you can because that's where it starts and ends. Hello.

We're either doing that and part of the solution or we're not, not that I'm

looking for trouble in pursuit of The truth, of Justness, and Understanding

More, Thereof. No. I have plenty of justice to serve right where I am doing what

I do, I Feel as Understand (Thereof

It could be that there is a greater evil behind everything otherwise but I'm

feeling that would be worth fighting against (and worth dying for, is what's

worth living for?) of The phenomena, Thereof, of seeking The truth for myself,

as with respect to the primary facts within, (of sharing as much, for us to be

all that we can be? of as much?) that our world could be so meaningful,

otherwise.. .

My take on it, of being a non-government organized analyst, if you know what I

mean, of my being self-described, Thereof (of my wish for all of us, that labels

could mean anything otherwise.. . of who should be labeling what and what label

really matters most

Keep up the good work folks, where it's still very much a question who is the

smarter if not more successful one in that respect of the, " long " view.. .

Glavic

Applied Analyst, self-described, of The phenomena.. .

Where being positive might make you popular today where being negative might

have made you successful yesterday but where being so objective will make you so

meaningful for forever? My sense of It

I'm off to synthesize all that I'm learning here in that respect of More (and

taking us all so seriously in that respect of The phenomena.. .

BWT.

> > > > >

> > > > > > Three words: " Not My Job " .

> > > > >

> > > > > > We all have little enough energy to barely heal ourselves and our

> > > > > children.

> > > > >

> > > > > I totally agree with . It's Saturday, 6 pm; I've been

reading,

> > > > > reading and reading and, at the same time, trying to keep with all

my

> > > > > duties (family, work, etc.) since 6 am. My head hurts badly.

> > > > > We pay them, but very often they just don't help at all, and *I* am

> > > > > the one who should be educating doctors?! Why can't they do this job

> > > > > I'm doing?

> > > > >

> > > > > I'm sorry, I'm not arguing with you Marsha, it's just I feel very

> > > > > frustrated today.

> > > > >

> > > > > On the other hand, I want to thank you all. I've got the most

> > > valuable

> > > > > information from this group and Dr. Cutler during these last

> > > months. I

> > > > > almost don't post --Onibasu search and I are good friends ;-) --

> > > > >

> > > > YES!!! More people here should know about Onibasu (which was broken

> > > > yesterday, but is back up).

> > > >

> > > > Here's a direct link to search Andy's posts in all three groups:

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

http://onibasu.com/cgi-bin/search.cgi?query=%2Bfrom%3A*cutler*+YourSearchTermsHe\

re & submit=Search

> > >

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ere & submit=Search>! & max=20 & sort=score & idxname=nn & idxname=am & idxname=fdc & idxname=\

amc

> > > >

> > > > My number one Bookmark!

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > > but I wanted to let you know I thank you, from the bottom of my

> > > > > hearth. Hope a bit of this gratitude help you today, in your own

> > > > > struggles.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > M.

> > > > >

> > > > >