B12

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In a message dated 3/31/2005 8:28:30 AM Eastern Standard Time,

writes:

Subject: RE: Re: restless legs numb thighs from b12 inj?

Thanks both are low. I've been doing the b12 shots IM in my thighs, but have

stopped lately because the thigh muscle are feeling numb to the tough. This

is alarming me. Has any one else had this effect from the injections?

=================

HELLO ..... my upper arm got numb from injections so I dont do them there, I

think was hitting nerves..... so maybe u r hitting nerves? where on thigh

are u doing them and what kind of needle and how often? The local area

around my shot will be a bit numb right after shot but not long..... are u

getting in deep enough? I know if the b12 gets too close under the skin it

does

numb even almost burn a little...... c in vt

[Guest guest]

I've tried all areas of the mid thigh. I use a 21/2 inch insulin needle

and I bury it deep. I give the shots twice a week but I take a full tree

cc tube each time . This last time I moved forward on the thigh muscle

and only shot 2cc. It has been since Sunday morning and it is numb to

the touch.Thanks

RE: Re: restless legs numb thighs from b12 inj?

Thanks both are low. I've been doing the b12 shots IM in my thighs, but

have

stopped lately because the thigh muscle are feeling numb to the tough.

This

is alarming me. Has any one else had this effect from the injections?

=================

HELLO ..... my upper arm got numb from injections so I dont do them

there, I

think was hitting nerves..... so maybe u r hitting nerves? where on

thigh

are u doing them and what kind of needle and how often? The local

area

around my shot will be a bit numb right after shot but not long.....

are u

getting in deep enough? I know if the b12 gets too close under the

skin it does

numb even almost burn a little...... c in vt

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 8/11/2005 9:32:57 PM Eastern Standard Time,

writes:

I know I am low on b12 in my system...is there anything else I can do

to increase it?

HELLO, I took b12 shots, at first daily, then weekly, then monthly.... still

do.... you can do it at home it is easy I do it in my thigh..... i do not

think it affected my lyme treatment negative in any way..... it made me feel

better in a lot of ways.... i could then tell when it was time to get a

shot.... ask your doc if you are low..... c in vt

[Guest guest]

I used to work for a physicians office in Michigan

years ago and as soon as one of started to show signs

of a cold, the doc gave us shots of b-12, and told us

to take vit c. To boost the immune system. This was

waaayy before my lyme days but that now has me

wondering. What is the harm? Good question. I will

be really curious to see the answers from those whose

doc told them to avoid vitamin therapy. My doc,

thought not a LLMD, but she does try. Her motto is

that she was taught to treat the symptoms and not the

labs. So I am trying to make a list to ask her

questions. I hate to, she is very patient and very

caring and has offered to treat me without my

insurance since I have now lost it. Told me her only

worry was to keep me in check. Hopefully, she will

have the extra time to answer some of these questions.

If anyone has any questions that you think she may be

able to answer for me let me know and I will ask her

or leave a list and find out next month (which I know

a month for us feels like ten years). Everyone take

care and may God bless you all and give you painless

and energentic days with full nights of undisturbed

sleep.

Love,

Beverly, TN

--- FindItOnTheNet@... wrote:

>

> In a message dated 8/11/2005 9:32:57 PM Eastern

> Standard Time,

> writes:

>

> I know I am low on b12 in my system...is there

> anything else I can do

> to increase it?

>

>

> HELLO, I took b12 shots, at first daily, then

> weekly, then monthly.... still

> do.... you can do it at home it is easy I do it in

> my thigh..... i do not

> think it affected my lyme treatment negative in any

> way..... it made me feel

> better in a lot of ways.... i could then tell when

> it was time to get a

> shot.... ask your doc if you are low..... c in

> vt

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Hi Emma,

>Taking sublingual Vitamin B12 helped me when I lost feeling in my fingers

>regularly and they kept turning ice cold and white.

Are you talking about Raynaud's Syndrome? I've got that about 4-5

years ago. I've read somewhere it is also a Candida symptom. I didn't

know that B12 helps, only Niacin was mentioned, plus vitamins A, C

and some other supplements. A few years back I had it really bad... I

seem to be getting better, although it still happens, but less often.

For those of you who would like to know what I'm talking about, here

is a short description:

" Raynaud's syndrome, first described in 1862 by the French physician

Maurice Raynaud, has no known cause or cure. The syndrome is a

condition in which small arteries, most commonly in the fingers and

toes, spasm and cause the skin to turn pale or a patchy red to blue.

Estimates of its prevalence range from 5-30% of the population. It is

five times more common in women, often striking females between the

ages of 18 and 30. It is thought that 25-30% of cases occur in

otherwise healthy women. "

I've been taking B50 for a few years regularly, but if extra B12

helps that's great. I really don't enjoy Niacin flushes! And

besides, only my head and torso gets hot, not the fingers where I

really need it!

Thanks, Jasmina

[Guest guest]

Dear Jasmina,

The parts of the candida program works together to give your body

what it needs to heal, which will cure your Raynaud's as well. To

take too much of one supplement as opposed to others for long periods

of time is not a good idea because it will cause imbalances. Your

focus should be on getting all of the nutrients required, in balance,

as recommended in my article, and not to shoot off treating this and

that with extra supplements - that's what doctor's do and it is

treating symptoms and not the overall body.

Luv & Hugs, Bee

>

> Hi Emma,

>

> >Taking sublingual Vitamin B12 helped me when I lost feeling in my

fingers

> >regularly and they kept turning ice cold and white.

>

> Are you talking about Raynaud's Syndrome? I've got that about 4-5

> years ago. I've read somewhere it is also a Candida symptom. I

didn't

> know that B12 helps, only Niacin was mentioned, plus vitamins A, C

> and some other supplements. A few years back I had it really bad...

I

[Guest guest]

Good point, and I believe you are right. I am ok on the vitamins alone,

thankfully, but I have heard of people with hypo that get the injections. Good

luck. -

sthpaclife <sthpaclife@...> wrote: Hi my next question to the group is

about B12 absorption. I read that

often an offshoot of hypothyroid can be lack of B12 i.e not being able

to absorb B12 from ones diet. This actually happened to me and when I

have my thyroid blood checks I also check for B12. My Doctor put me

on injections once a month but I usually find two months is my

target. I find at the end of two months I need the boost. Is anyone

else on B12 injections or is it something that some of you should be

looking at having tested. When you cannot absorb B12 you are starting

to get pernicious anaemia. Worth checking if you are still feeling

very dragged out. Janet

[Guest guest]

B 12 and folate are crucial to formation of new red blood cells, and

deficiency of either can lead to fatigue...b 12 is absorbed into blood

and also stored in the liver..sometimes the fatigue is a result of lack

of ability to store rather than lack of the ability to absorb.

B 12 is more readily absorbed from vegetable sources than animal

sources.

Did you know that a developing fetus' liver is responsible for the manufacture

of red blood cells in the first 32 weeks of gestation? the bone marrow

does not take over unitl after 32 weeks gestation...amazing.

[Guest guest]

Sorry to disagree with you April but B12 is definitely not better

absorbed from vegetables - this is common knowledge and not just my

opinion - and it is why vegetarians have to be careful about amenia - I

have first hand experience with this - vegetarian myself for more than

20 years and two adult children who are strict vegetarians. My older

daughter who is more vegan than the other has often become anemics and

has digestion problems too - all related to deficiency in B12.

Kerry

Re: B12

B 12 and folate are crucial to formation of new red blood cells, and

deficiency of either can lead to fatigue...b 12 is absorbed into blood

and also stored in the liver..sometimes the fatigue is a result of lack

of ability to store rather than lack of the ability to absorb. B 12 is

more readily absorbed from vegetable sources than animal sources.

Did you know that a developing fetus' liver is responsible for the

manufacture of red blood cells in the first 32 weeks of gestation? the

bone marrow does not take over unitl after 32 weeks gestation...amazing.

[Guest guest]

I never heard of a vegetable source of B-12.

Gracia

B 12 is more readily absorbed from vegetable sources than animal

sources.

Did you know that a developing fetus' liver is responsible for the

manufacture

of red blood cells in the first 32 weeks of gestation? the bone marrow

does not take over unitl after 32 weeks gestation...amazing.

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[Guest guest]

Gracia,

You wrote:

>

> I never heard of a vegetable source of B-12.

Yeast, soy, and wheat gluten. There are some other marginal sources for

which bacteria in the intestines can produce some B-12 as well.

Chuck

[Guest guest]

I put Chloropyll in my water everyday 2x a day. It is an excellent source of

B12, along with many other vitamins and nutrients. I highly recommend it. It

can be picked up at any local health food store. :0) -jessica

Chuck B <gumboyaya@...> wrote: Gracia,

You wrote:

>

> I never heard of a vegetable source of B-12.

Yeast, soy, and wheat gluten. There are some other marginal sources for

which bacteria in the intestines can produce some B-12 as well.

Chuck

[Guest guest]

Hey ,

Did you say that you had hashimoto thyroiditis? Also, how is Dr. Dane's stuff

working for you?

THanks!

Stanziale <massageme429@...> wrote:

I put Chloropyll in my water everyday 2x a day. It is an excellent source of

B12, along with many other vitamins and nutrients. I highly recommend it. It

can be picked up at any local health food store. :0) -jessica

Chuck B <gumboyaya@...> wrote: Gracia,

You wrote:

>

> I never heard of a vegetable source of B-12.

Yeast, soy, and wheat gluten. There are some other marginal sources for

which bacteria in the intestines can produce some B-12 as well.

Chuck

[Guest guest]

Hi , yes I have hashimotos and I take 4 a day of the eco thyro (dried

freezed glandular tissue), B supplement, fish oils, 2 of Dane's Rev it up (I

used to take more until I increased my eco thryo now I take less rev it up),

chlorophyll, wheatgrass, coconut oil in my protein shakes, yoga, acunpuncture,

chiropractic adjustment for my neck, and massage therapy. These last 2 weeks I

am finaly starting to feel like my pre pregnancy self again. I hope it lasts.

Before my pregnancy I only did the eco thyro, now I am doing all the other

stuff. Did you speak to Dr. Dane or her receptionist and what did she say about

the eco thyro when you stressed concern about animals, I am curious? -

and Irwin <familyirwin@...> wrote: Hey ,

Did you say that you had hashimoto thyroiditis? Also, how is Dr. Dane's stuff

working for you?

THanks!

Stanziale <massageme429@...> wrote:

I put Chloropyll in my water everyday 2x a day. It is an excellent source of

B12, along with many other vitamins and nutrients. I highly recommend it. It

can be picked up at any local health food store. :0) -jessica

Chuck B <gumboyaya@...> wrote: Gracia,

You wrote:

>

> I never heard of a vegetable source of B-12.

Yeast, soy, and wheat gluten. There are some other marginal sources for

which bacteria in the intestines can produce some B-12 as well.

Chuck

[Guest guest]

Hey ,

I talked to Dr Dane, and she said that " Life begets life " and that's basically

about it. I didn't really push the issue, to be honest...because even though I

am a vegan, for biblical reasons, I know that the bible does give provisions for

consuming animal products too. And I know that probably animal glandulars are

better than anything made in a lab. But, I would love to never touch it, if

you know what I mean? One thing we did talk about was the blood type diet,

because she insisted that I needed meat...aghh! So I asked her if she thought

that the blood type diet was a joke, and she said that she thought it was good.

So, I am a A blood type and so meat is not advised for my blood type. I too

have hashimoto's, goiter, high TSH, and am really trying to cleanse right now to

see what that will do. I am on day 6 of a 10 day fast with herbs, green food

drink (Vitamineral Green, by Health Force Nutritionals), bowel, liver, blood,

cleansing from various healing centers

(www.modernmanna.org, www.cedarbrookhome.org, etc), and raw veggie and fruit

juice. I do a sea water flush every other day (during the cleanse only) as this

is suppost to help with returning trace minerals back to the system, and a bunch

of water, cleansing tea, flax seed oil (4 tbs daily). I rebound, walk a lot

(sometimes up to 8 miles a day, but mostly 4-6 miles), get lots of sunshine when

I can, fresh air, I don't drink, or smoke (but did in the past), I try to pray a

lot, but I know that I need to forgive people from my past. I have issues I

know, that I need to let go and love people. I just want my life and health

back. I graduated from West Point, so I was exposed to a ton of vaccines,

stress, poor diet, lifestyle, etc. So, I need a healing.

Over email, I talked with Dr. Dane's receptionist, and she said that the

ingredients are from new zealand sheep. So that is better than cow, from what I

understand. I'm curious, do you think that fish oils are better than flax seed

oil? She wanted me to take a bunch of other supplements as well, but it was

going to cost me too much, so now I am wondering if I should just take the

eco-thyroid and the other thyroid stuff and rev it up, or what. Anyway, thanks

for all of your advice!

Blessings!

Stanziale <massageme429@...> wrote:

Hi , yes I have hashimotos and I take 4 a day of the eco thyro (dried

freezed glandular tissue), B supplement, fish oils, 2 of Dane's Rev it up (I

used to take more until I increased my eco thryo now I take less rev it up),

chlorophyll, wheatgrass, coconut oil in my protein shakes, yoga, acunpuncture,

chiropractic adjustment for my neck, and massage therapy. These last 2 weeks I

am finaly starting to feel like my pre pregnancy self again. I hope it lasts.

Before my pregnancy I only did the eco thyro, now I am doing all the other

stuff. Did you speak to Dr. Dane or her receptionist and what did she say about

the eco thyro when you stressed concern about animals, I am curious? -

and Irwin <familyirwin@...> wrote: Hey ,

Did you say that you had hashimoto thyroiditis? Also, how is Dr. Dane's stuff

working for you?

THanks!

Stanziale <massageme429@...> wrote:

I put Chloropyll in my water everyday 2x a day. It is an excellent source of

B12, along with many other vitamins and nutrients. I highly recommend it. It

can be picked up at any local health food store. :0) -jessica

Chuck B <gumboyaya@...> wrote: Gracia,

You wrote:

>

> I never heard of a vegetable source of B-12.

Yeast, soy, and wheat gluten. There are some other marginal sources for

which bacteria in the intestines can produce some B-12 as well.

Chuck

[Guest guest]

Are you me??? LOL! We are so similar, past, present, and probably future.

Where do you live? Due to brain fog, I already forgot what blood type I am. I

am not sure I will agree with her or anyone else who says " you need meat " . I do

recall her telling me when I was pregnant to " eat lots of fish " and I was unsure

of her when she said that too. Due to the amount of bacteria and mercury, and

not to mention the dangers of farm raised fish, I found that to be an odd demand

coming from a " fertility specialist " to a pregnant woman. I don't know. Which

supplement does she have that is from sheep? I do not know about fish vs. flax

but I do know that a close friend of mine who has his doctrine in Oriental

Medicine, is an acupunturist and an herbologist is very fond of Carlson's fish

oils so I decided to go with that over the flax, don't really know though. Good

luck and stay in touch. Let me know where you are from, I am curious. -

and Irwin <familyirwin@...> wrote: Hey ,

I talked to Dr Dane, and she said that " Life begets life " and that's basically

about it. I didn't really push the issue, to be honest...because even though I

am a vegan, for biblical reasons, I know that the bible does give provisions for

consuming animal products too. And I know that probably animal glandulars are

better than anything made in a lab. But, I would love to never touch it, if

you know what I mean? One thing we did talk about was the blood type diet,

because she insisted that I needed meat...aghh! So I asked her if she thought

that the blood type diet was a joke, and she said that she thought it was good.

So, I am a A blood type and so meat is not advised for my blood type. I too

have hashimoto's, goiter, high TSH, and am really trying to cleanse right now to

see what that will do. I am on day 6 of a 10 day fast with herbs, green food

drink (Vitamineral Green, by Health Force Nutritionals), bowel, liver, blood,

cleansing from various healing centers

(www.modernmanna.org, www.cedarbrookhome.org, etc), and raw veggie and fruit

juice. I do a sea water flush every other day (during the cleanse only) as this

is suppost to help with returning trace minerals back to the system, and a bunch

of water, cleansing tea, flax seed oil (4 tbs daily). I rebound, walk a lot

(sometimes up to 8 miles a day, but mostly 4-6 miles), get lots of sunshine when

I can, fresh air, I don't drink, or smoke (but did in the past), I try to pray a

lot, but I know that I need to forgive people from my past. I have issues I

know, that I need to let go and love people. I just want my life and health

back. I graduated from West Point, so I was exposed to a ton of vaccines,

stress, poor diet, lifestyle, etc. So, I need a healing.

Over email, I talked with Dr. Dane's receptionist, and she said that the

ingredients are from new zealand sheep. So that is better than cow, from what I

understand. I'm curious, do you think that fish oils are better than flax seed

oil? She wanted me to take a bunch of other supplements as well, but it was

going to cost me too much, so now I am wondering if I should just take the

eco-thyroid and the other thyroid stuff and rev it up, or what. Anyway, thanks

for all of your advice!

Blessings!

Stanziale <massageme429@...> wrote:

Hi , yes I have hashimotos and I take 4 a day of the eco thyro (dried

freezed glandular tissue), B supplement, fish oils, 2 of Dane's Rev it up (I

used to take more until I increased my eco thryo now I take less rev it up),

chlorophyll, wheatgrass, coconut oil in my protein shakes, yoga, acunpuncture,

chiropractic adjustment for my neck, and massage therapy. These last 2 weeks I

am finaly starting to feel like my pre pregnancy self again. I hope it lasts.

Before my pregnancy I only did the eco thyro, now I am doing all the other

stuff. Did you speak to Dr. Dane or her receptionist and what did she say about

the eco thyro when you stressed concern about animals, I am curious? -

and Irwin <familyirwin@...> wrote: Hey ,

Did you say that you had hashimoto thyroiditis? Also, how is Dr. Dane's stuff

working for you?

THanks!

Stanziale <massageme429@...> wrote:

I put Chloropyll in my water everyday 2x a day. It is an excellent source of

B12, along with many other vitamins and nutrients. I highly recommend it. It

can be picked up at any local health food store. :0) -jessica

Chuck B <gumboyaya@...> wrote: Gracia,

You wrote:

>

> I never heard of a vegetable source of B-12.

Yeast, soy, and wheat gluten. There are some other marginal sources for

which bacteria in the intestines can produce some B-12 as well.

Chuck

[Guest guest]

Hey ,

I agree...I am so glad to have read your first post (plus all of them), and I

read it to my husband, and said " her story is so much like mine! " Plus, you

gave me hope when you mentioned that you were taking stuff from Dr. Dane and had

some success. So, I looked into her site, and found it was from Sheep, which is

exactly what I told my husband I would consider, if anything from an animal,

even before I read your post. So, I feel that your post was an answered prayer!

Thanks!

We live in California! Where do you live? Yes, I totally agree about fish

too...especially when pregnant!

(the receptionist from Dr. Dane's office) said " All our products that

contain glandulars only use the pure New Zealand sheep. Dr. Dane is a great

believer in the glandulars. " so this would include the Eco-Thyro as well as the

ThyroComplex. It sounds like they probably changed from Cow to Sheep. Dr Dane

said that I need to take the Energizer product as well, since it contains

complete amino acids, as well as the Eco-Thyro and the ThyroComplex, and the

Rev-it up. So, I don't know if I can afford all of them...so I am considering

just taking the Eco-Thyro and ThyroComplex since that is what I feel I need the

most.

Yeah, keep in touch too!

Blessings!

Stanziale <massageme429@...> wrote:

Are you me??? LOL! We are so similar, past, present, and probably future.

Where do you live? Due to brain fog, I already forgot what blood type I am. I

am not sure I will agree with her or anyone else who says " you need meat " . I do

recall her telling me when I was pregnant to " eat lots of fish " and I was unsure

of her when she said that too. Due to the amount of bacteria and mercury, and

not to mention the dangers of farm raised fish, I found that to be an odd demand

coming from a " fertility specialist " to a pregnant woman. I don't know. Which

supplement does she have that is from sheep? I do not know about fish vs. flax

but I do know that a close friend of mine who has his doctrine in Oriental

Medicine, is an acupunturist and an herbologist is very fond of Carlson's fish

oils so I decided to go with that over the flax, don't really know though. Good

luck and stay in touch. Let me know where you are from, I am curious. -

and Irwin <familyirwin@...> wrote: Hey ,

I talked to Dr Dane, and she said that " Life begets life " and that's basically

about it. I didn't really push the issue, to be honest...because even though I

am a vegan, for biblical reasons, I know that the bible does give provisions for

consuming animal products too. And I know that probably animal glandulars are

better than anything made in a lab. But, I would love to never touch it, if

you know what I mean? One thing we did talk about was the blood type diet,

because she insisted that I needed meat...aghh! So I asked her if she thought

that the blood type diet was a joke, and she said that she thought it was good.

So, I am a A blood type and so meat is not advised for my blood type. I too

have hashimoto's, goiter, high TSH, and am really trying to cleanse right now to

see what that will do. I am on day 6 of a 10 day fast with herbs, green food

drink (Vitamineral Green, by Health Force Nutritionals), bowel, liver, blood,

cleansing from various healing centers

(www.modernmanna.org, www.cedarbrookhome.org, etc), and raw veggie and fruit

juice. I do a sea water flush every other day (during the cleanse only) as this

is suppost to help with returning trace minerals back to the system, and a bunch

of water, cleansing tea, flax seed oil (4 tbs daily). I rebound, walk a lot

(sometimes up to 8 miles a day, but mostly 4-6 miles), get lots of sunshine when

I can, fresh air, I don't drink, or smoke (but did in the past), I try to pray a

lot, but I know that I need to forgive people from my past. I have issues I

know, that I need to let go and love people. I just want my life and health

back. I graduated from West Point, so I was exposed to a ton of vaccines,

stress, poor diet, lifestyle, etc. So, I need a healing.

Over email, I talked with Dr. Dane's receptionist, and she said that the

ingredients are from new zealand sheep. So that is better than cow, from what I

understand. I'm curious, do you think that fish oils are better than flax seed

oil? She wanted me to take a bunch of other supplements as well, but it was

going to cost me too much, so now I am wondering if I should just take the

eco-thyroid and the other thyroid stuff and rev it up, or what. Anyway, thanks

for all of your advice!

Blessings!

[Guest guest]

Hi Michele, well I guess I am taking sheep then, because I order directly from

the company and so does Dr. Dane. The company are the ones that told me to seek

advice from her when I got pregnant and they said she is a doctor in NY that

they sell too, so I guess they switched from cow to sheep. Now, I am on 4 a day

which Dr. Dane will not prescribe or recommend. She had told me to tak no more

then 3 and include her " rev it up " but ever since my miscarriage I have not felt

the same and I tried for a long time to just take 3 ecos and 6 rev it ups but

after a few weeks it was back to the same dicomfort so now I am taking 4 ecos (2

in the am 2 in the afternoon) and 2 rev it ups. I am definatley feeling better

but it is a little upsetting that both Dr. Dane and the company looked down upon

taking 4 a day, but I feel my other alternative is synthroid or Armour and I

feel better with the 4 a day and my blood work shows better results that way so

I will continue. I read all the

messages on this site regarding Armour and how people are prescribing their own

dose because the doctors will only prescribe so much so that is comforting to me

in regards to my eco thyro. Anyway, nice chatting with you. I live in Miami

but am originaly from NY. I have lived in Florida for a yr. and a half now and

I am a Massage Therapist and my husband is an Account Executive for Countrywide

Homeloans. Keep in touch. -

and Irwin <familyirwin@...> wrote: Hey ,

I agree...I am so glad to have read your first post (plus all of them), and I

read it to my husband, and said " her story is so much like mine! " Plus, you

gave me hope when you mentioned that you were taking stuff from Dr. Dane and had

some success. So, I looked into her site, and found it was from Sheep, which is

exactly what I told my husband I would consider, if anything from an animal,

even before I read your post. So, I feel that your post was an answered prayer!

Thanks!

We live in California! Where do you live? Yes, I totally agree about fish

too...especially when pregnant!

(the receptionist from Dr. Dane's office) said " All our products that

contain glandulars only use the pure New Zealand sheep. Dr. Dane is a great

believer in the glandulars. " so this would include the Eco-Thyro as well as the

ThyroComplex. It sounds like they probably changed from Cow to Sheep. Dr Dane

said that I need to take the Energizer product as well, since it contains

complete amino acids, as well as the Eco-Thyro and the ThyroComplex, and the

Rev-it up. So, I don't know if I can afford all of them...so I am considering

just taking the Eco-Thyro and ThyroComplex since that is what I feel I need the

most.

Yeah, keep in touch too!

Blessings!

Stanziale <massageme429@...> wrote:

Are you me??? LOL! We are so similar, past, present, and probably future.

Where do you live? Due to brain fog, I already forgot what blood type I am. I

am not sure I will agree with her or anyone else who says " you need meat " . I do

recall her telling me when I was pregnant to " eat lots of fish " and I was unsure

of her when she said that too. Due to the amount of bacteria and mercury, and

not to mention the dangers of farm raised fish, I found that to be an odd demand

coming from a " fertility specialist " to a pregnant woman. I don't know. Which

supplement does she have that is from sheep? I do not know about fish vs. flax

but I do know that a close friend of mine who has his doctrine in Oriental

Medicine, is an acupunturist and an herbologist is very fond of Carlson's fish

oils so I decided to go with that over the flax, don't really know though. Good

luck and stay in touch. Let me know where you are from, I am curious. -

and Irwin <familyirwin@...> wrote: Hey ,

I talked to Dr Dane, and she said that " Life begets life " and that's basically

about it. I didn't really push the issue, to be honest...because even though I

am a vegan, for biblical reasons, I know that the bible does give provisions for

consuming animal products too. And I know that probably animal glandulars are

better than anything made in a lab. But, I would love to never touch it, if

you know what I mean? One thing we did talk about was the blood type diet,

because she insisted that I needed meat...aghh! So I asked her if she thought

that the blood type diet was a joke, and she said that she thought it was good.

So, I am a A blood type and so meat is not advised for my blood type. I too

have hashimoto's, goiter, high TSH, and am really trying to cleanse right now to

see what that will do. I am on day 6 of a 10 day fast with herbs, green food

drink (Vitamineral Green, by Health Force Nutritionals), bowel, liver, blood,

cleansing from various healing centers

(www.modernmanna.org, www.cedarbrookhome.org, etc), and raw veggie and fruit

juice. I do a sea water flush every other day (during the cleanse only) as this

is suppost to help with returning trace minerals back to the system, and a bunch

of water, cleansing tea, flax seed oil (4 tbs daily). I rebound, walk a lot

(sometimes up to 8 miles a day, but mostly 4-6 miles), get lots of sunshine when

I can, fresh air, I don't drink, or smoke (but did in the past), I try to pray a

lot, but I know that I need to forgive people from my past. I have issues I

know, that I need to let go and love people. I just want my life and health

back. I graduated from West Point, so I was exposed to a ton of vaccines,

stress, poor diet, lifestyle, etc. So, I need a healing.

Over email, I talked with Dr. Dane's receptionist, and she said that the

ingredients are from new zealand sheep. So that is better than cow, from what I

understand. I'm curious, do you think that fish oils are better than flax seed

oil? She wanted me to take a bunch of other supplements as well, but it was

going to cost me too much, so now I am wondering if I should just take the

eco-thyroid and the other thyroid stuff and rev it up, or what. Anyway, thanks

for all of your advice!

Blessings!

[Guest guest]

,

You wrote:

> I put Chloropyll in my water everyday 2x a day. It is an excellent

> source of B12, along with many other vitamins and nutrients. ...

I assume you mean chlorophyll. Although this molecule is similar to B-12

and hemoglobin, it is a different chemical. At the bare minimum, B-12

has a cobalt atom in the mix. I don't see how chlorophyll can be a

source of B-12 unless you also supply cobalt. Also, it is not a source

of other nutrients, unless you are talking about some sort of supplement

that contains these things. Chlorophyll by itself cannot supply these.

Chuck

[Guest guest]

Excuse me for not be more specific. When you (not you personaly Chuck) go to

the health food store and inquire about Chlorophyll you will see the brands that

are sold usualy have other ingredients in the chloropyhll, chloropyll being the

main one.

I drink it in my water everyday for over all good cleansing. It does many

great things for the body, here's just a few:

builds a high blood count

provides iron to the organs

counteracts toxins

improves anemic conditions

cleans and deodorizes bowel tissue (helps constipation as well)

helps purify the liver

Chuck B <gumboyaya@...> wrote:

,

You wrote:

> I put Chloropyll in my water everyday 2x a day. It is an excellent

> source of B12, along with many other vitamins and nutrients. ...

I assume you mean chlorophyll. Although this molecule is similar to B-12

and hemoglobin, it is a different chemical. At the bare minimum, B-12

has a cobalt atom in the mix. I don't see how chlorophyll can be a

source of B-12 unless you also supply cobalt. Also, it is not a source

of other nutrients, unless you are talking about some sort of supplement

that contains these things. Chlorophyll by itself cannot supply these.

Chuck

[Guest guest]

How do you know you are getting enough B12 from the chlorophyll?

Re: B12

I put Chloropyll in my water everyday 2x a day. It is an excellent

source of B12, along with many other vitamins and nutrients. I highly

recommend it. It can be picked up at any local health food store. :0)

-jessica

Chuck B <gumboyaya@...> wrote: Gracia,

You wrote:

>

> I never heard of a vegetable source of B-12.

Yeast, soy, and wheat gluten. There are some other marginal sources for

which bacteria in the intestines can produce some B-12 as well.

Chuck

[Guest guest]

I don't, never said I did. I take B vitamins as well as drink chlorophyll. I

drink the chloropyhll for many different reasons, it just happens to be a B

source.

Kerry Ann Faithfull <kerry@...> wrote: How do you know you are

getting enough B12 from the chlorophyll?

Re: B12

I put Chloropyll in my water everyday 2x a day. It is an excellent

source of B12, along with many other vitamins and nutrients. I highly

recommend it. It can be picked up at any local health food store. :0)

-jessica

Chuck B <gumboyaya@...> wrote: Gracia,

You wrote:

>

> I never heard of a vegetable source of B-12.

Yeast, soy, and wheat gluten. There are some other marginal sources for

which bacteria in the intestines can produce some B-12 as well.

Chuck

[Guest guest]

IS the Dr Dane referred to in your letters the Dane of the

Metatype theory?

Re: B12

Are you me??? LOL! We are so similar, past, present, and probably

future. Where do you live? Due to brain fog, I already forgot what

blood type I am. I am not sure I will agree with her or anyone else who

says " you need meat " . I do recall her telling me when I was pregnant to

" eat lots of fish " and I was unsure of her when she said that too. Due

to the amount of bacteria and mercury, and not to mention the dangers of

farm raised fish, I found that to be an odd demand coming from a

" fertility specialist " to a pregnant woman. I don't know. Which

supplement does she have that is from sheep? I do not know about fish

vs. flax but I do know that a close friend of mine who has his doctrine

in Oriental Medicine, is an acupunturist and an herbologist is very fond

of Carlson's fish oils so I decided to go with that over the flax, don't

really know though. Good luck and stay in touch. Let me know where you

are from, I am curious. -

and Irwin <familyirwin@...> wrote: Hey

,

I talked to Dr Dane, and she said that " Life begets life " and that's

basically about it. I didn't really push the issue, to be

honest...because even though I am a vegan, for biblical reasons, I know

that the bible does give provisions for consuming animal products too.

And I know that probably animal glandulars are better than anything made

in a lab. But, I would love to never touch it, if you know what I

mean? One thing we did talk about was the blood type diet, because she

insisted that I needed meat...aghh! So I asked her if she thought that

the blood type diet was a joke, and she said that she thought it was

good. So, I am a A blood type and so meat is not advised for my blood

type. I too have hashimoto's, goiter, high TSH, and am really trying to

cleanse right now to see what that will do. I am on day 6 of a 10 day

fast with herbs, green food drink (Vitamineral Green, by Health Force

Nutritionals), bowel, liver, blood, cleansing from various healing

centers

(www.modernmanna.org, www.cedarbrookhome.org, etc), and raw veggie and

fruit juice. I do a sea water flush every other day (during the cleanse

only) as this is suppost to help with returning trace minerals back to

the system, and a bunch of water, cleansing tea, flax seed oil (4 tbs

daily). I rebound, walk a lot (sometimes up to 8 miles a day, but

mostly 4-6 miles), get lots of sunshine when I can, fresh air, I don't

drink, or smoke (but did in the past), I try to pray a lot, but I know

that I need to forgive people from my past. I have issues I know, that

I need to let go and love people. I just want my life and health back.

I graduated from West Point, so I was exposed to a ton of vaccines,

stress, poor diet, lifestyle, etc. So, I need a healing.

Over email, I talked with Dr. Dane's receptionist, and she said that

the ingredients are from new zealand sheep. So that is better than cow,

from what I understand. I'm curious, do you think that fish oils are

better than flax seed oil? She wanted me to take a bunch of other

supplements as well, but it was going to cost me too much, so now I am

wondering if I should just take the eco-thyroid and the other thyroid

stuff and rev it up, or what. Anyway, thanks for all of your advice!

Blessings!

Stanziale <massageme429@...> wrote:

Hi , yes I have hashimotos and I take 4 a day of the eco thyro

(dried freezed glandular tissue), B supplement, fish oils, 2 of Dane's

Rev it up (I used to take more until I increased my eco thryo now I take

less rev it up), chlorophyll, wheatgrass, coconut oil in my protein

shakes, yoga, acunpuncture, chiropractic adjustment for my neck, and

massage therapy. These last 2 weeks I am finaly starting to feel like

my pre pregnancy self again. I hope it lasts. Before my pregnancy I

only did the eco thyro, now I am doing all the other stuff. Did you

speak to Dr. Dane or her receptionist and what did she say about the eco

thyro when you stressed concern about animals, I am curious? -

and Irwin <familyirwin@...> wrote: Hey

,

Did you say that you had hashimoto thyroiditis? Also, how is Dr.

Dane's stuff working for you?

THanks!

Stanziale <massageme429@...> wrote:

I put Chloropyll in my water everyday 2x a day. It is an excellent

source of B12, along with many other vitamins and nutrients. I highly

recommend it. It can be picked up at any local health food store. :0)

-jessica

Chuck B <gumboyaya@...> wrote: Gracia,

You wrote:

>

> I never heard of a vegetable source of B-12.

Yeast, soy, and wheat gluten. There are some other marginal sources for

which bacteria in the intestines can produce some B-12 as well.

Chuck

[Guest guest]

I do not know anything about the Metatype theory but her nam is . What

do you know about her, I have very mixed feelings.

Kerry Ann Faithfull <kerry@...> wrote: IS the Dr Dane referred to

in your letters the Dane of the

Metatype theory?

Re: B12

Are you me??? LOL! We are so similar, past, present, and probably

future. Where do you live? Due to brain fog, I already forgot what

blood type I am. I am not sure I will agree with her or anyone else who

says " you need meat " . I do recall her telling me when I was pregnant to

" eat lots of fish " and I was unsure of her when she said that too. Due

to the amount of bacteria and mercury, and not to mention the dangers of

farm raised fish, I found that to be an odd demand coming from a

" fertility specialist " to a pregnant woman. I don't know. Which

supplement does she have that is from sheep? I do not know about fish

vs. flax but I do know that a close friend of mine who has his doctrine

in Oriental Medicine, is an acupunturist and an herbologist is very fond

of Carlson's fish oils so I decided to go with that over the flax, don't

really know though. Good luck and stay in touch. Let me know where you

are from, I am curious. -

and Irwin <familyirwin@...> wrote: Hey

,

I talked to Dr Dane, and she said that " Life begets life " and that's

basically about it. I didn't really push the issue, to be

honest...because even though I am a vegan, for biblical reasons, I know

that the bible does give provisions for consuming animal products too.

And I know that probably animal glandulars are better than anything made

in a lab. But, I would love to never touch it, if you know what I

mean? One thing we did talk about was the blood type diet, because she

insisted that I needed meat...aghh! So I asked her if she thought that

the blood type diet was a joke, and she said that she thought it was

good. So, I am a A blood type and so meat is not advised for my blood

type. I too have hashimoto's, goiter, high TSH, and am really trying to

cleanse right now to see what that will do. I am on day 6 of a 10 day

fast with herbs, green food drink (Vitamineral Green, by Health Force

Nutritionals), bowel, liver, blood, cleansing from various healing

centers

(www.modernmanna.org, www.cedarbrookhome.org, etc), and raw veggie and

fruit juice. I do a sea water flush every other day (during the cleanse

only) as this is suppost to help with returning trace minerals back to

the system, and a bunch of water, cleansing tea, flax seed oil (4 tbs

daily). I rebound, walk a lot (sometimes up to 8 miles a day, but

mostly 4-6 miles), get lots of sunshine when I can, fresh air, I don't

drink, or smoke (but did in the past), I try to pray a lot, but I know

that I need to forgive people from my past. I have issues I know, that

I need to let go and love people. I just want my life and health back.

I graduated from West Point, so I was exposed to a ton of vaccines,

stress, poor diet, lifestyle, etc. So, I need a healing.

Over email, I talked with Dr. Dane's receptionist, and she said that

the ingredients are from new zealand sheep. So that is better than cow,

from what I understand. I'm curious, do you think that fish oils are

better than flax seed oil? She wanted me to take a bunch of other

supplements as well, but it was going to cost me too much, so now I am

wondering if I should just take the eco-thyroid and the other thyroid

stuff and rev it up, or what. Anyway, thanks for all of your advice!

Blessings!

Stanziale <massageme429@...> wrote:

Hi , yes I have hashimotos and I take 4 a day of the eco thyro

(dried freezed glandular tissue), B supplement, fish oils, 2 of Dane's

Rev it up (I used to take more until I increased my eco thryo now I take

less rev it up), chlorophyll, wheatgrass, coconut oil in my protein

shakes, yoga, acunpuncture, chiropractic adjustment for my neck, and

massage therapy. These last 2 weeks I am finaly starting to feel like

my pre pregnancy self again. I hope it lasts. Before my pregnancy I

only did the eco thyro, now I am doing all the other stuff. Did you

speak to Dr. Dane or her receptionist and what did she say about the eco

thyro when you stressed concern about animals, I am curious? -

and Irwin <familyirwin@...> wrote: Hey

,

Did you say that you had hashimoto thyroiditis? Also, how is Dr.

Dane's stuff working for you?

THanks!

Stanziale <massageme429@...> wrote:

I put Chloropyll in my water everyday 2x a day. It is an excellent

source of B12, along with many other vitamins and nutrients. I highly

recommend it. It can be picked up at any local health food store. :0)

-jessica

Chuck B <gumboyaya@...> wrote: Gracia,

You wrote:

>

> I never heard of a vegetable source of B-12.

Yeast, soy, and wheat gluten. There are some other marginal sources for

which bacteria in the intestines can produce some B-12 as well.

Chuck

[Guest guest]

She has web site - http://www.elizabethdane.com/about.html - I know

nothing about her at all - I just googled her name and found this

website.

Re: B12

Are you me??? LOL! We are so similar, past, present, and probably

future. Where do you live? Due to brain fog, I already forgot what

blood type I am. I am not sure I will agree with her or anyone else who

says " you need meat " . I do recall her telling me when I was pregnant to

" eat lots of fish " and I was unsure of her when she said that too. Due

to the amount of bacteria and mercury, and not to mention the dangers of

farm raised fish, I found that to be an odd demand coming from a

" fertility specialist " to a pregnant woman. I don't know. Which

supplement does she have that is from sheep? I do not know about fish

vs. flax but I do know that a close friend of mine who has his doctrine

in Oriental Medicine, is an acupunturist and an herbologist is very fond

of Carlson's fish oils so I decided to go with that over the flax, don't

really know though. Good luck and stay in touch. Let me know where you

are from, I am curious. -

and Irwin <familyirwin@...> wrote: Hey

,

I talked to Dr Dane, and she said that " Life begets life " and that's

basically about it. I didn't really push the issue, to be

honest...because even though I am a vegan, for biblical reasons, I know

that the bible does give provisions for consuming animal products too.

And I know that probably animal glandulars are better than anything made

in a lab. But, I would love to never touch it, if you know what I

mean? One thing we did talk about was the blood type diet, because she

insisted that I needed meat...aghh! So I asked her if she thought that

the blood type diet was a joke, and she said that she thought it was

good. So, I am a A blood type and so meat is not advised for my blood

type. I too have hashimoto's, goiter, high TSH, and am really trying to

cleanse right now to see what that will do. I am on day 6 of a 10 day

fast with herbs, green food drink (Vitamineral Green, by Health Force

Nutritionals), bowel, liver, blood, cleansing from various healing

centers

(www.modernmanna.org, www.cedarbrookhome.org, etc), and raw veggie and

fruit juice. I do a sea water flush every other day (during the cleanse

only) as this is suppost to help with returning trace minerals back to

the system, and a bunch of water, cleansing tea, flax seed oil (4 tbs

daily). I rebound, walk a lot (sometimes up to 8 miles a day, but

mostly 4-6 miles), get lots of sunshine when I can, fresh air, I don't

drink, or smoke (but did in the past), I try to pray a lot, but I know

that I need to forgive people from my past. I have issues I know, that

I need to let go and love people. I just want my life and health back.

I graduated from West Point, so I was exposed to a ton of vaccines,

stress, poor diet, lifestyle, etc. So, I need a healing.

Over email, I talked with Dr. Dane's receptionist, and she said that

the ingredients are from new zealand sheep. So that is better than cow,

from what I understand. I'm curious, do you think that fish oils are

better than flax seed oil? She wanted me to take a bunch of other

supplements as well, but it was going to cost me too much, so now I am

wondering if I should just take the eco-thyroid and the other thyroid

stuff and rev it up, or what. Anyway, thanks for all of your advice!

Blessings!

Stanziale <massageme429@...> wrote:

Hi , yes I have hashimotos and I take 4 a day of the eco thyro

(dried freezed glandular tissue), B supplement, fish oils, 2 of Dane's

Rev it up (I used to take more until I increased my eco thryo now I take

less rev it up), chlorophyll, wheatgrass, coconut oil in my protein

shakes, yoga, acunpuncture, chiropractic adjustment for my neck, and

massage therapy. These last 2 weeks I am finaly starting to feel like

my pre pregnancy self again. I hope it lasts. Before my pregnancy I

only did the eco thyro, now I am doing all the other stuff. Did you

speak to Dr. Dane or her receptionist and what did she say about the eco

thyro when you stressed concern about animals, I am curious? -

and Irwin <familyirwin@...> wrote: Hey

,

Did you say that you had hashimoto thyroiditis? Also, how is Dr.

Dane's stuff working for you?

THanks!

Stanziale <massageme429@...> wrote:

I put Chloropyll in my water everyday 2x a day. It is an excellent

source of B12, along with many other vitamins and nutrients. I highly

recommend it. It can be picked up at any local health food store. :0)

-jessica

Chuck B <gumboyaya@...> wrote: Gracia,

You wrote:

>

> I never heard of a vegetable source of B-12.

Yeast, soy, and wheat gluten. There are some other marginal sources for

which bacteria in the intestines can produce some B-12 as well.

Chuck