Re: second round of chelation questions - yeast/abdominal pain

[Guest guest]

This is not normal... meaning you don't just let it go and chalk it up to being

part of recovery via chelation.

DMSA will always stir up yeast. As far as caprylic acid goes, the MCT (medium

chain triglycerides) are used often to treat inflammation, not trigger/worsen

it. People use it to treat Crohn's disease.

My son has more issues on the last day sometimes because he is physically tired

from being woken up twice at night. I am more irritable on the last day, too!

But, there is no gut pain.

I hope you can figure this out. Are you saying the first day on the OFF part of

the round he feels better? Or does the gut pain carry on after the round is

over?

Pam

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> We are just finishing up our second round of chelation for our son (we are

only doing 6mg DMSA for a 40 lbs child). He does fine until the last day - then

more wild, uncontrollable, oppositional defiant, " difficult " . Also this time on

the last day he is really complaining that his tummy hurts him and he has stinky

gas. He has said he has felt " sick " (tummy hurts) the last half of the day. Is

this all yeast? He is a gut kid.

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> He is on diflucan, he is SCD, we do probiotics, biotin 15000 mcg 2x/day.

During this period I give caprylic acid (which did seem to help) and today I

tried a garlic/parsley cap (don't think this helped). Anything else I should be

doing for him? He doesn't react well to GSE. Oxalates are a problem - I know

the parsley was not a good idea...

> Also, is this pretty " normal " to what people see with this protocol? Not good

the last day or more and then when the round is over he quickly returns to his

" normal " self?

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[Guest guest]

I don't know what to think about the caprylic acid now... it is the only thing

that has seemed to help him during this. We stopped chelating this morning and

he has complained of pain in his tummy today too...

-- In , " Pamela H " <phaselow@...> wrote:

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> This is not normal... meaning you don't just let it go and chalk it up to

being part of recovery via chelation.

>

> DMSA will always stir up yeast. As far as caprylic acid goes, the MCT (medium

chain triglycerides) are used often to treat inflammation, not trigger/worsen

it. People use it to treat Crohn's disease.

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> My son has more issues on the last day sometimes because he is physically

tired from being woken up twice at night. I am more irritable on the last day,

too! But, there is no gut pain.

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> I hope you can figure this out. Are you saying the first day on the OFF part

of the round he feels better? Or does the gut pain carry on after the round is

over?

>

> Pam

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> > We are just finishing up our second round of chelation for our son (we are

only doing 6mg DMSA for a 40 lbs child). He does fine until the last day - then

more wild, uncontrollable, oppositional defiant, " difficult " . Also this time on

the last day he is really complaining that his tummy hurts him and he has stinky

gas. He has said he has felt " sick " (tummy hurts) the last half of the day. Is

this all yeast? He is a gut kid.

> >

> > He is on diflucan, he is SCD, we do probiotics, biotin 15000 mcg 2x/day.

During this period I give caprylic acid (which did seem to help) and today I

tried a garlic/parsley cap (don't think this helped). Anything else I should be

doing for him? He doesn't react well to GSE. Oxalates are a problem - I know

the parsley was not a good idea...

> > Also, is this pretty " normal " to what people see with this protocol? Not

good the last day or more and then when the round is over he quickly returns to

his " normal " self?

> >

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>

[Guest guest]

My kids are sometimes irritable on the last day, and fighting with each other.

I think that means they need more adrenal support. I think the over-the-counter

yeast treatments are better than the prescription ones. It sounds like he'd do

better with Candex/candidaise because they are enzymatic yeast treatments. The

biotin dose seems a little high TO ME. I would definitely keep the caprylic

acid, it's one that most of us have success with (via capsule or coconut oil),

if it is giving you grief, it just means you have a lot of yeast and it will get

better.

When he is getting that gas, give activated charcoal and epsom salt baths to

help him detox the yeast. That should cut down on the behavior from the yeast

die-off.

I think in general, you have to find a better yeast protocol and add adrenal

support. Is there anything (colors, flavors) in the Diflucan? I remember

thinking my son was high oxalate at one time too, can't remember why. I DO

remember we had a major lessening of yeast following me trying Amla (Paradise

Herbs brand I started with). So there are some ideas for you. Hang in there,

it gets better.

Liz

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> We are just finishing up our second round of chelation for our son (we are

only doing 6mg DMSA for a 40 lbs child). He does fine until the last day - then

more wild, uncontrollable, oppositional defiant, " difficult " . Also this time on

the last day he is really complaining that his tummy hurts him and he has stinky

gas. He has said he has felt " sick " (tummy hurts) the last half of the day. Is

this all yeast? He is a gut kid.

>

> He is on diflucan, he is SCD, we do probiotics, biotin 15000 mcg 2x/day.

During this period I give caprylic acid (which did seem to help) and today I

tried a garlic/parsley cap (don't think this helped). Anything else I should be

doing for him? He doesn't react well to GSE. Oxalates are a problem - I know

the parsley was not a good idea...

> Also, is this pretty " normal " to what people see with this protocol? Not good

the last day or more and then when the round is over he quickly returns to his

" normal " self?

>

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[Guest guest]

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Karla

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> > We are just finishing up our second round of chelation for our son (we are

only

> >doing 6mg DMSA for a 40 lbs child). He does fine until the last day - then

more

> >wild, uncontrollable, oppositional defiant, " difficult " . Also this time on

the

> >last day he is really complaining that his tummy hurts him and he has stinky

> >gas. He has said he has felt " sick " (tummy hurts) the last half of the day.

Is

> >this all yeast? He is a gut kid.

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> > He is on diflucan, he is SCD, we do probiotics, biotin 15000 mcg 2x/day.

During

> >this period I give caprylic acid (which did seem to help) and today I tried a

> >garlic/parsley cap (don't think this helped). Anything else I should be doing

> >for him? He doesn't react well to GSE. Oxalates are a problem - I know the

> >parsley was not a good idea...

> > Also, is this pretty " normal " to what people see with this protocol? Not

good

> >the last day or more and then when the round is over he quickly returns to

his

> > " normal " self?

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is he pooping while on the round?

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> > > We are just finishing up our second round of chelation for our son (we are

only doing 6mg DMSA for a 40 lbs child). He does fine until the last day - then

more wild, uncontrollable, oppositional defiant, " difficult " . Also this time on

the last day he is really complaining that his tummy hurts him and he has stinky

gas. He has said he has felt " sick " (tummy hurts) the last half of the day. Is

this all yeast? He is a gut kid.

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> > > He is on diflucan, he is SCD, we do probiotics, biotin 15000 mcg 2x/day.

During this period I give caprylic acid (which did seem to help) and today I

tried a garlic/parsley cap (don't think this helped). Anything else I should be

doing for him? He doesn't react well to GSE. Oxalates are a problem - I know

the parsley was not a good idea...

> > > Also, is this pretty " normal " to what people see with this protocol? Not

good the last day or more and then when the round is over he quickly returns to

his " normal " self?

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> > We are just finishing up our second round of chelation for our son (we are

only

> >doing 6mg DMSA for a 40 lbs child). He does fine until the last day - then

more

> >wild, uncontrollable, oppositional defiant, " difficult " . Also this time on

the

> >last day he is really complaining that his tummy hurts him and he has stinky

> >gas. He has said he has felt " sick " (tummy hurts) the last half of the day.

Is

> >this all yeast? He is a gut kid.

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> > He is on diflucan, he is SCD, we do probiotics, biotin 15000 mcg 2x/day.

During

> >this period I give caprylic acid (which did seem to help) and today I tried a

> >garlic/parsley cap (don't think this helped). Anything else I should be doing

> >for him? He doesn't react well to GSE. Oxalates are a problem - I know the

> >parsley was not a good idea...

> > Also, is this pretty " normal " to what people see with this protocol? Not

good

> >the last day or more and then when the round is over he quickly returns to

his

> > " normal " self?

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We get Candex from The Vitamin Shoppe.

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> > We are just finishing up our second round of chelation for our son (we are

only

> >doing 6mg DMSA for a 40 lbs child). He does fine until the last day - then

more

> >wild, uncontrollable, oppositional defiant, " difficult " . Also this time on

the

> >last day he is really complaining that his tummy hurts him and he has stinky

> >gas. He has said he has felt " sick " (tummy hurts) the last half of the day.

Is

> >this all yeast? He is a gut kid.

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> > He is on diflucan, he is SCD, we do probiotics, biotin 15000 mcg 2x/day.

During

> >this period I give caprylic acid (which did seem to help) and today I tried a

> >garlic/parsley cap (don't think this helped). Anything else I should be doing

> >for him? He doesn't react well to GSE. Oxalates are a problem - I know the

> >parsley was not a good idea...

> > Also, is this pretty " normal " to what people see with this protocol? Not

good

> >the last day or more and then when the round is over he quickly returns to

his

> > " normal " self?

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[Guest guest]

yes. but, maybe not as much as normal.

my mom was here several days ago and is now vomiting from a virus she must have

picked up while she was here. maybe this is what is going on. he is still

complaining of pain.

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> > > > We are just finishing up our second round of chelation for our son (we

are only doing 6mg DMSA for a 40 lbs child). He does fine until the last day -

then more wild, uncontrollable, oppositional defiant, " difficult " . Also this

time on the last day he is really complaining that his tummy hurts him and he

has stinky gas. He has said he has felt " sick " (tummy hurts) the last half of

the day. Is this all yeast? He is a gut kid.

> > > >

> > > > He is on diflucan, he is SCD, we do probiotics, biotin 15000 mcg 2x/day.

During this period I give caprylic acid (which did seem to help) and today I

tried a garlic/parsley cap (don't think this helped). Anything else I should be

doing for him? He doesn't react well to GSE. Oxalates are a problem - I know

the parsley was not a good idea...

> > > > Also, is this pretty " normal " to what people see with this protocol?

Not good the last day or more and then when the round is over he quickly returns

to his " normal " self?

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