Re: I CAN'T GET RID OF THE YEAST!!!! What's the BEST, MOST EFFECTIVE protocol??

[Guest guest]

Something that helps us is wiping down the belly with peroxide or diet tonic

water. We also increase intake of sea salt to help with yeast.

Also, my experience has been that bad die off causes bad yeast. Since the main

thing I did for a long time was kill of multiple infections, killing infection

more slowly was useful to me for getting yeast under control. One thing you

might look for is some sort of recurrent/constant environmental exposure to

bacteria and/or mold. My youngest son did lots better after we discovered and

resolved a hidden mold issue in our apartment that he was more directly exposed

to than anyone else because it was so close to where he slept.

Good luck with this.

Michele

http://www.healthgazelle.com

http://www.kidslikemine.com

http://www.solanorail.com

>

> Andy

> 7 years old

> 47 pounds

> EXTREME YEAST (according to everything I have read from all of you about

symptoms on this forum) He was also tested about 2 years ago from Dr.

Bradstreet who said my son was higher in yeast than most of his 3000+ caseload.

We haven't been able to see him or afford him in a long time, but our local

doctor is helping and willing to help. HOW SHOULD I PROCEED?

>

> Currently he is on Diflucan once a day.

> Obvious GF/CF/SF diet

> Just started Cutler protocol last week with both ALA and DMSA. (Vit C, E,

BComplex, P5P, Milk Thistle, Chromium, Molybdenum, Magnesium, GABA, Taurine,

Zinc, L-Carnitine.

>

> Now what? In order of importance?

>

> We have tongue clicking, rolling of the tongue, sliming everything, repetitive

sounds, biting his arm, pacing incessantly, biting the tongue, some insomnia

(which melatonin has helped with), hilarity, slapping his face, unwillingness to

push out a bowel movement, screaming for no apparent reason.....etc.....help?

>

> I want to help him the most effective way possible! Any ideas? Thank you all

so much. Maybe someday he can be a testimony to others. Right now, we are the

needy ones!!

>

[Guest guest]

Have you tried apple cider vinegar capsules? I recommend capsules, because of

the awful taste, but the apple cider vinegar has many benefits for the

intestinal track.

> >

> > Andy

> > 7 years old

> > 47 pounds

> > EXTREME YEAST (according to everything I have read from all of you about

symptoms on this forum) He was also tested about 2 years ago from Dr.

Bradstreet who said my son was higher in yeast than most of his 3000+ caseload.

We haven't been able to see him or afford him in a long time, but our local

doctor is helping and willing to help. HOW SHOULD I PROCEED?

> >

> > Currently he is on Diflucan once a day.

> > Obvious GF/CF/SF diet

> > Just started Cutler protocol last week with both ALA and DMSA. (Vit C, E,

BComplex, P5P, Milk Thistle, Chromium, Molybdenum, Magnesium, GABA, Taurine,

Zinc, L-Carnitine.

> >

> > Now what? In order of importance?

> >

> > We have tongue clicking, rolling of the tongue, sliming everything,

repetitive sounds, biting his arm, pacing incessantly, biting the tongue, some

insomnia (which melatonin has helped with), hilarity, slapping his face,

unwillingness to push out a bowel movement, screaming for no apparent

reason.....etc.....help?

> >

> > I want to help him the most effective way possible! Any ideas? Thank you

all so much. Maybe someday he can be a testimony to others. Right now, we are

the needy ones!!

> >

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Have you tried apple cider vinegar capsules? I recommend capsules, because of

the awful taste, but the apple cider vinegar has many benefits for the

intestinal track.

>

>

>

The only time I tried apple cider vinegar, 10 weeks of chronic sinus infections

turned into pneumonia overnight, I nearly died and I spent about 3 1/2 months

bedridden. I am not inclined to try it again, though I have heard good things

about it from a number of people.

And if you were aiming that at the OP, never mind.

Thanks.

Michele

http://www.healthgazelle.com

http://www.kidslikemine.com

http://www.solanorail.com

[Guest guest]

Thank you all so much for your ideas!!!

Can I do all of these things at once? In other words, introduce one at a

time...one a week until he is on all of them?

" GSE, biotin, caprylic acid, pau d'arco, candex, a LOT of probiotics, oregano,

etc. "

Does anything contradict the other?

Does it affect the chelation?

Does giving charcoal absorb the chelation?

Do I need to give probiotics at a separate time from the chelation? How often

do I give them?

Hopefully my questions will help others as well

Rhonda

mom to 2 boys with autism, ages 7 and 10

>

> I don't think the diflucan will be enough.. (I know my yeast habituated it

> to quickly).. (in order) GSE, biotin, caprylic acid, pau d'arco, candex

> might all be needed, you might need to rotate.. and use a LOT of probiotics.

>

>

>

> From: [mailto: ]

> On Behalf Of mymomsaysiamthebestdesigner

> Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 1:16 PM

>

> Subject: [ ] I CAN'T GET RID OF THE YEAST!!!! What's the BEST,

> MOST EFFECTIVE protocol?????

>

>

>

>

>

> Andy

> 7 years old

> 47 pounds

> EXTREME YEAST (according to everything I have read from all of you about

> symptoms on this forum) He was also tested about 2 years ago from Dr.

> Bradstreet who said my son was higher in yeast than most of his 3000+

> caseload. We haven't been able to see him or afford him in a long time, but

> our local doctor is helping and willing to help. HOW SHOULD I PROCEED?

>

> Currently he is on Diflucan once a day.

> Obvious GF/CF/SF diet

> Just started Cutler protocol last week with both ALA and DMSA. (Vit C, E,

> BComplex, P5P, Milk Thistle, Chromium, Molybdenum, Magnesium, GABA, Taurine,

> Zinc, L-Carnitine.

>

> Now what? In order of importance?

>

> We have tongue clicking, rolling of the tongue, sliming everything,

> repetitive sounds, biting his arm, pacing incessantly, biting the tongue,

> some insomnia (which melatonin has helped with), hilarity, slapping his

> face, unwillingness to push out a bowel movement, screaming for no apparent

> reason.....etc.....help?

>

> I want to help him the most effective way possible! Any ideas? Thank you all

> so much. Maybe someday he can be a testimony to others. Right now, we are

> the needy ones!!

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

My son was on Diflucan, OoO and dBiotin for quite a few months, and it didn't

help at all. Later on, I learned my dosage of dBiotin was too low: so we

increased that and also added GSE. Meanwhile, we did a stool culture analysis,

and as it turns out, he is not reactive to Diflucan & OoO (dBiotin and GSE were

not covered in the test). But he is reactive to Caprylic Acid and GoldenSeal.

Now after having been on dBiotin, GSE and then Caprylic Acid (for about 2 months

now), his yeast issue is finally getting better and his recent OAT test showed

lowest level ever.

 

Just our experience on yeast: I remain yet a struggling Mom on all kinds of

issues...

From: mymomsaysiamthebestdesigner <designbybuess@...>

Subject: [ ] Re: I CAN'T GET RID OF THE YEAST!!!! What's the BEST,

MOST EFFECTIVE protocol??

Date: Tuesday, January 5, 2010, 12:59 AM

 

Thank you all so much for your ideas!!!

Can I do all of these things at once? In other words, introduce one at a

time...one a week until he is on all of them?

" GSE, biotin, caprylic acid, pau d'arco, candex, a LOT of probiotics, oregano,

etc. "

Does anything contradict the other?

Does it affect the chelation?

Does giving charcoal absorb the chelation?

Do I need to give probiotics at a separate time from the chelation? How often do

I give them?

Hopefully my questions will help others as well

Rhonda

mom to 2 boys with autism, ages 7 and 10

>

> I don't think the diflucan will be enough.. (I know my yeast habituated it

> to quickly).. (in order) GSE, biotin, caprylic acid, pau d'arco, candex

> might all be needed, you might need to rotate.. and use a LOT of probiotics.

>

>

>

> From: [mailto: @ groups.

com]

> On Behalf Of mymomsaysiamthebest designer

> Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 1:16 PM

>

> Subject: [ ] I CAN'T GET RID OF THE YEAST!!!! What's the BEST,

> MOST EFFECTIVE protocol???? ?

>

>

>

>

>

> Andy

> 7 years old

> 47 pounds

> EXTREME YEAST (according to everything I have read from all of you about

> symptoms on this forum) He was also tested about 2 years ago from Dr.

> Bradstreet who said my son was higher in yeast than most of his 3000+

> caseload. We haven't been able to see him or afford him in a long time, but

> our local doctor is helping and willing to help. HOW SHOULD I PROCEED?

>

> Currently he is on Diflucan once a day.

> Obvious GF/CF/SF diet

> Just started Cutler protocol last week with both ALA and DMSA. (Vit C, E,

> BComplex, P5P, Milk Thistle, Chromium, Molybdenum, Magnesium, GABA, Taurine,

> Zinc, L-Carnitine.

>

> Now what? In order of importance?

>

> We have tongue clicking, rolling of the tongue, sliming everything,

> repetitive sounds, biting his arm, pacing incessantly, biting the tongue,

> some insomnia (which melatonin has helped with), hilarity, slapping his

> face, unwillingness to push out a bowel movement, screaming for no apparent

> reason.....etc. ....help?

>

> I want to help him the most effective way possible! Any ideas? Thank you all

> so much. Maybe someday he can be a testimony to others. Right now, we are

> the needy ones!!

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

> EXTREME YEAST

What worked best at my house, was biotin and GSE.

> Currently he is on Diflucan once a day.

> Obvious GF/CF/SF diet

> Just started Cutler protocol last week with both ALA and DMSA. (Vit C, E,

BComplex, P5P, Milk Thistle, Chromium, Molybdenum, Magnesium, GABA, Taurine,

Zinc, L-Carnitine.

The vitamin C, B complex, P5P, and carnitine all increased yeast at my house.

Try giving the biotin and GSE.

Dana

[Guest guest]

> " GSE, biotin, caprylic acid, pau d'arco, candex, a LOT of probiotics, oregano,

etc. "

> Does anything contradict the other?

Give probiotics at least 2 hours apart from everything except the biotin. You

can give the probiotics and biotin together if you want.

> Does giving charcoal absorb the chelation?

Charcoal will absorb almost everything.

> Do I need to give probiotics at a separate time from the chelation? How often

do I give them?

No

Dana

[Guest guest]

Brainchild sells a yeast protocol and will support you in using the products.

They do a rotation and have a support board too.

Tammy

[ ] I CAN'T GET RID OF THE YEAST!!!! What's the BEST,

> MOST EFFECTIVE protocol?????

>

>

>

>

>

> Andy

> 7 years old

> 47 pounds

> EXTREME YEAST (according to everything I have read from all of you about

> symptoms on this forum) He was also tested about 2 years ago from Dr.

> Bradstreet who said my son was higher in yeast than most of his 3000+

> caseload. We haven't been able to see him or afford him in a long time, but

> our local doctor is helping and willing to help. HOW SHOULD I PROCEED?

>

> Currently he is on Diflucan once a day.

> Obvious GF/CF/SF diet

> Just started Cutler protocol last week with both ALA and DMSA. (Vit C, E,

> BComplex, P5P, Milk Thistle, Chromium, Molybdenum, Magnesium, GABA, Taurine,

> Zinc, L-Carnitine.

>

> Now what? In order of importance?

>

> We have tongue clicking, rolling of the tongue, sliming everything,

> repetitive sounds, biting his arm, pacing incessantly, biting the tongue,

> some insomnia (which melatonin has helped with), hilarity, slapping his

> face, unwillingness to push out a bowel movement, screaming for no apparent

> reason.....etc.....help?

>

> I want to help him the most effective way possible! Any ideas? Thank you all

> so much. Maybe someday he can be a testimony to others. Right now, we are

> the needy ones!!

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Thank you all so much for your ideas!!!

>

> Can I do all of these things at once? In other words, introduce one at a

time...one a week until he is on all of them?

>

> " GSE, biotin, caprylic acid, pau d'arco, candex, a LOT of probiotics, oregano,

etc. "

>

> Does anything contradict the other?

>

GSE and biotin are fine together. But GSE can be hard of the stomach unless

taken with food. Caprylic, oregano and pau d'arco are OK too (in fact NOW's

Candida Clear has these in them along with a bit of magnesium and other stuff;

the caps are a bit big but I find it quite effective). If your child is

sensitive to phenols, you might need to give GSE or oregano (not sure about pau

d'arco) with No-Fenol.

Candex should be taken on an empty stomach right before bed or on waking. It's

fine to give probiotics at the same time as Candex, but not GSE and probably not

pau d'arco. My suggestion is to give the probiotics with the Candex, and some

subset of the other yeast-fighters after meals. The other ones I have found

useful are Neem and Yeast Ease, a tincture by Jernigan.

> >

> Does it affect the chelation?

>

Killing pathogens seems to improve chelation as you can get any metals which are

released during die-off. I've also observed that taking anti-virals during

chelation rounds required less yeast fighters on board than doing anti-virals

w/o chelation.

>

> Does giving charcoal absorb the chelation?

>

Charcoal should not be given close to chelators; it might interfere. But

charcoal after a round ends or an hour after giving yeast-killers and as

occasional gastro detox is helpful for us.

> Do I need to give probiotics at a separate time from the chelation? How often

do I give them?

>

No need to give it away from chelators.

>

> Hopefully my questions will help others as well

Good luck! PJ

>

> Rhonda

> mom to 2 boys with autism, ages 7 and 10

>

[Guest guest]

Rhonda,

How kids react to different yeast remedies is very individual (just like their

yeast symptoms can be). For example, GSE gave my kid intense stomach pain so it

didn't work for us.

You are already doing Diflucan and that is probably trying to " kill " the yeast.

Now use probiotics to replace the yeast in his system so the yeast doesn't have

room to come back. Brands I've used are Jarrow, Custom Probiotics, and Klaire

Labs, but there are other good ones as well. You want to add the probiotics

slowly ramping up the " CFU's " . Also give them away from anti-fungals (Diflucan,

Candex/Candidase etc.) We have given up to 50 billion CFU's/day split into 2

doses but that was after ramping up.

If that doesn't work all the way...add something else like biotin or coconut oil

or Candex/Candidase.

Fighting yeast is an ongoing thing..so you only want to use the minimum you need

to keep it under control. Otherwise, it gets very labor intensive and very

expensive.

We had yeast issues from age 2 to age 4.5. Only after we had chelated for 6

months did we see improvements without using probiotics and/or anti-fungals.

Our tools were probiotics, Candidase, and coconut oil, but you'll have to see

what works for your kid.

> >

> > I don't think the diflucan will be enough.. (I know my yeast habituated it

> > to quickly).. (in order) GSE, biotin, caprylic acid, pau d'arco, candex

> > might all be needed, you might need to rotate.. and use a LOT of probiotics.

> >

> >

> >

> > From: [mailto: ]

> > On Behalf Of mymomsaysiamthebestdesigner

> > Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 1:16 PM

> >

> > Subject: [ ] I CAN'T GET RID OF THE YEAST!!!! What's the BEST,

> > MOST EFFECTIVE protocol?????

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Andy

> > 7 years old

> > 47 pounds

> > EXTREME YEAST (according to everything I have read from all of you about

> > symptoms on this forum) He was also tested about 2 years ago from Dr.

> > Bradstreet who said my son was higher in yeast than most of his 3000+

> > caseload. We haven't been able to see him or afford him in a long time, but

> > our local doctor is helping and willing to help. HOW SHOULD I PROCEED?

> >

> > Currently he is on Diflucan once a day.

> > Obvious GF/CF/SF diet

> > Just started Cutler protocol last week with both ALA and DMSA. (Vit C, E,

> > BComplex, P5P, Milk Thistle, Chromium, Molybdenum, Magnesium, GABA, Taurine,

> > Zinc, L-Carnitine.

> >

> > Now what? In order of importance?

> >

> > We have tongue clicking, rolling of the tongue, sliming everything,

> > repetitive sounds, biting his arm, pacing incessantly, biting the tongue,

> > some insomnia (which melatonin has helped with), hilarity, slapping his

> > face, unwillingness to push out a bowel movement, screaming for no apparent

> > reason.....etc.....help?

> >

> > I want to help him the most effective way possible! Any ideas? Thank you all

> > so much. Maybe someday he can be a testimony to others. Right now, we are

> > the needy ones!!

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

1. I would delay chelation because the ALA is going to cause more yeast as will

the metals coming out.

2. Biocidin from Emerson Eccologics with the companion liver support. Start

slow, one drop in a sippy cup of juice (you need juice to mask the awful taste,

you need the sippy cup to hide the fact his juice changed color), build a drop a

day till you reach reccomended dose. This will make for less of a die off. He

will be tired, and pooping out the most putrid stuff you ever saw or smelled in

huge amounts. I would keep him home from school while he goes through this part

because he will need to run to the toilet.

3. Sacharomyces Boulardii two hours away from any enzymes or antifungals so the

probiotics stick. Best at bedtime on an empty stomach if possible. I hear Cyto

Flora is a great probiotic, but it is crazy expensive and I haven't tried it.

4. One capsule of No-Phenol in the morning. Peptizde or HZ Prime enzymes before

the appropriate meals.

5. Have you looked into the biofilm protocol?

6. Colostrum Gold.

7. Latoferrin

8. Can you get a doctor to prescribe Flagyl?

> >

> > Have you tried apple cider vinegar capsules? I recommend capsules, because

of the awful taste, but the apple cider vinegar has many benefits for the

intestinal track.

> >

> >

> >

>

>

> The only time I tried apple cider vinegar, 10 weeks of chronic sinus

infections turned into pneumonia overnight, I nearly died and I spent about 3

1/2 months bedridden. I am not inclined to try it again, though I have heard

good things about it from a number of people.

>

> And if you were aiming that at the OP, never mind.

>

> Thanks.

>

> Michele

> http://www.healthgazelle.com

> http://www.kidslikemine.com

> http://www.solanorail.com

>

[Guest guest]

Where do you buy caprylic acid and goldenseal and dBiotin? What is dBiotin? Is

your son on ALL of these at once? Thank you for your posting!!

Rhonda

> >

> > I don't think the diflucan will be enough.. (I know my yeast habituated it

> > to quickly).. (in order) GSE, biotin, caprylic acid, pau d'arco, candex

> > might all be needed, you might need to rotate.. and use a LOT of probiotics.

> >

> >

> >

> > From: [mailto: @ groups.

com]

> > On Behalf Of mymomsaysiamthebest designer

> > Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 1:16 PM

> >

> > Subject: [ ] I CAN'T GET RID OF THE YEAST!!!! What's the BEST,

> > MOST EFFECTIVE protocol???? ?

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Andy

> > 7 years old

> > 47 pounds

> > EXTREME YEAST (according to everything I have read from all of you about

> > symptoms on this forum) He was also tested about 2 years ago from Dr.

> > Bradstreet who said my son was higher in yeast than most of his 3000+

> > caseload. We haven't been able to see him or afford him in a long time, but

> > our local doctor is helping and willing to help. HOW SHOULD I PROCEED?

> >

> > Currently he is on Diflucan once a day.

> > Obvious GF/CF/SF diet

> > Just started Cutler protocol last week with both ALA and DMSA. (Vit C, E,

> > BComplex, P5P, Milk Thistle, Chromium, Molybdenum, Magnesium, GABA, Taurine,

> > Zinc, L-Carnitine.

> >

> > Now what? In order of importance?

> >

> > We have tongue clicking, rolling of the tongue, sliming everything,

> > repetitive sounds, biting his arm, pacing incessantly, biting the tongue,

> > some insomnia (which melatonin has helped with), hilarity, slapping his

> > face, unwillingness to push out a bowel movement, screaming for no apparent

> > reason.....etc. ....help?

> >

> > I want to help him the most effective way possible! Any ideas? Thank you all

> > so much. Maybe someday he can be a testimony to others. Right now, we are

> > the needy ones!!

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I buy most my stuff at iherb.. but vitacost will have It too (or other

online vitamin shop’s)

From: [mailto: ]

On Behalf Of mymomsaysiamthebestdesigner

Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 11:11 AM

Subject: [ ] Re: I CAN'T GET RID OF THE YEAST!!!! What's the

BEST, MOST EFFECTIVE protocol??

Where do you buy caprylic acid and goldenseal and dBiotin? What is dBiotin?

Is your son on ALL of these at once? Thank you for your posting!!

Rhonda

> >

> > I don't think the diflucan will be enough.. (I know my yeast habituated

it

> > to quickly).. (in order) GSE, biotin, caprylic acid, pau d'arco, candex

> > might all be needed, you might need to rotate.. and use a LOT of

probiotics.

> >

> >

> >

> > From: [mailto: @

groups. com]

> > On Behalf Of mymomsaysiamthebest designer

> > Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 1:16 PM

> >

> > Subject: [ ] I CAN'T GET RID OF THE YEAST!!!! What's the

BEST,

> > MOST EFFECTIVE protocol???? ?

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Andy

> > 7 years old

> > 47 pounds

> > EXTREME YEAST (according to everything I have read from all of you about

> > symptoms on this forum) He was also tested about 2 years ago from Dr.

> > Bradstreet who said my son was higher in yeast than most of his 3000+

> > caseload. We haven't been able to see him or afford him in a long time,

but

> > our local doctor is helping and willing to help. HOW SHOULD I PROCEED?

> >

> > Currently he is on Diflucan once a day.

> > Obvious GF/CF/SF diet

> > Just started Cutler protocol last week with both ALA and DMSA. (Vit C,

E,

> > BComplex, P5P, Milk Thistle, Chromium, Molybdenum, Magnesium, GABA,

Taurine,

> > Zinc, L-Carnitine.

> >

> > Now what? In order of importance?

> >

> > We have tongue clicking, rolling of the tongue, sliming everything,

> > repetitive sounds, biting his arm, pacing incessantly, biting the

tongue,

> > some insomnia (which melatonin has helped with), hilarity, slapping his

> > face, unwillingness to push out a bowel movement, screaming for no

apparent

> > reason.....etc. ....help?

> >

> > I want to help him the most effective way possible! Any ideas? Thank you

all

> > so much. Maybe someday he can be a testimony to others. Right now, we

are

> > the needy ones!!

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Maybe moving metals around in his body is something his organs and system can

not tolerate right now. Here is what we are doing right now...

We are doing QRA right now. That is quantum reflex analysis. It asks using a

form of muscle testing which organs are weak and what supplements will make the

organ stronger. At least that is how I understand it. I am doing this with two

of my kids right now. One can handle metal detox and the other has leaky gut,

parasites and staff and according to qra the one with leaky gut can not handle

metal detox right now. Of course I have read that metals can cause leaky gut. I

have tried heavy metal detox with him and he can not handle it. Right now we are

supporting organs and gut with homeopathics and terrainmax(energetics and

minerals), probiotics and nutri-west total systemic d-tox and have removed

problem foods. And I saw mood, compliance, sensory and skin improvements. We

are going back in 2 weeks and determine next step.

My daughter showed weak detox organs and we have strengthened them with reishi,

hyssop, soma and other things based on QRA. We have addressed possible

weaknesses(viruses) in brain and liver with supplements indicated by QRA. We are

doing heavy metal detox with her. She still needes lots of support for drainage

to move metals out. We are using clay and foot baths to help detox pathways and

terrainmax supps (mix of energetics and minerals) to help drainage. She seems to

be doing better with detox symptoms(which I think are metals moving around). We

have seen improvement in anxiety and verbal stimming(singing and muttering under

breath) and still have hyper/silly behavior(metals moving around). Moods and

language come and go as well. She is diagnosed as HFA(Asperger). My QRA

practioner has told me several times when it comes up (via QRA) we will mud pack

vaccine sites and that could really help her system function stronger. He

explained to me that toxins(energetic and physical(is there a difference?)) are

blocking her system and releasing this may improve her after she readjusts to a

new energy flow.

My son has issues but not diagnosed(sensory, skin reactions to cold and

cognitive-information recall, reading, eye tracking). Finally my third child(not

vaccinated) functions typically.

> > >

> > > Have you tried apple cider vinegar capsules? I recommend capsules, because

of the awful taste, but the apple cider vinegar has many benefits for the

intestinal track.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> > The only time I tried apple cider vinegar, 10 weeks of chronic sinus

infections turned into pneumonia overnight, I nearly died and I spent about 3

1/2 months bedridden. I am not inclined to try it again, though I have heard

good things about it from a number of people.

> >

> > And if you were aiming that at the OP, never mind.

> >

> > Thanks.

> >

> > Michele

> > http://www.healthgazelle.com

> > http://www.kidslikemine.com

> > http://www.solanorail.com

> >

>