Why has my son started to eat poop? Can anyone help?

[Guest guest]

, I sent you an e-mail. You are not alone.

>

> My son has recently started to eat his own poop.

>

> I have researched on the internet and found very little, except that it's

called Coprophagia, and it's the ugliest word I have ever come across. He has

autism and though he was diagnosed a decade ago and I thought I knew so much

about this disorder I didn't know this could be part of it.

>

> I'm at a loss.....I've taken him to the doctor and found no help there. This

is the dark side of Autism, that no one warns you about, nor talks about. Why

not tell the story and help others. I can't imagine he is the only one.

>

> I thought for sure some blog somewhere would have mentioned it or some first

hand account, but I found nothing. What I did find was very brief and vague.

>

> I don't want to think that this is what it's going to be like for him for the

rest of his life.

>

> He is an SCD, gfcf, no sugar, antifungals, multivitamins, etc.

>

> If anyone knows someone who is having this problem, please put them in contact

with me. My email is maria.sigler1978@...

>

> Thank you in advance,

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

No he is not the only one, and it is a story that needs to be told, but I guess

the majority of people doesn't like ugly reality stories but prefers buttered up

versions of the truth. I can't tell you why your sone, or my daughter eat poop I

can only share our experience.

My youngest daughter used to eat poop, and smeared it all over herself, the

carpet, walls, siblings when she was very yeasty. Usually this was when her body

was (trying) to fight off some virus and when we gave her immune boosting

treatments. 

When she was like that, and it could not be fixed quickly, she was dressed in a

body (like a babies body) you can buy big sizes on the internet, so at least she

cannot reach her poop easily.

Our girls are on diets, multi-vitamins etc. no anti fungals though because our

approach has been to crowd out the bad bugs with good bugs....we also use

enzymes (candidase, virastop etc.) to keep the bad bugs at bay. It seems to

work for my daughter cause since about a year I've caught her only once with

poop in her hand....luckily I was just in time and she didn't repeat after that.

________________________________

From: maria.sigler1978 <maria.sigler1978@...>

Sent: Mon, June 21, 2010 6:20:55 AM

Subject: [ ] Why has my son started to eat poop? Can anyone help?

 

My son has recently started to eat his own poop.

I have researched on the internet and found very little, except that it's called

Coprophagia, and it's the ugliest word I have ever come across. He has autism

and though he was diagnosed a decade ago and I thought I knew so much about this

disorder I didn't know this could be part of it.

I'm at a loss.....I've taken him to the doctor and found no help there. This is

the dark side of Autism, that no one warns you about, nor talks about. Why not

tell the story and help others. I can't imagine he is the only one.

I thought for sure some blog somewhere would have mentioned it or some first

hand account, but I found nothing. What I did find was very brief and vague.

I don't want to think that this is what it's going to be like for him for the

rest of his life.

He is an SCD, gfcf, no sugar, antifungals, multivitamins, etc.

If anyone knows someone who is having this problem, please put them in contact

with me. My email is maria.sigler1978@...

Thank you in advance,

[Guest guest]

My gut feeling is deficiency of some kind.

Sounds like he wants to keep or regain nutrients being lost. I have to

take autistic behaviors as what they are .. very basically our kids are

usually spelling it out for us ,.literally. That almost says he is

nutritional starving. seems like a primitive and desperate act. like one

would dink urine if thirsty enough. I hope I did not offend. Just had a

weird gut feeling and thought I would reach out

My son came back to us on raw GOAT MILK, YOU HAVE SEEN A LOT OF THE BOARD

LATELY BUT EVERY ASPECT OF OUR LIVES IS BETTER . AND IF THEY SAY GOAT IS

CLOSES TO MOTHERS MILK THEN WHAT BETTER MORE NUTRIOUS HEALING FOOD ?

From: [mailto: ]

On Behalf Of maria.sigler1978

Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 1:21 AM

Subject: [ ] Why has my son started to eat poop? Can anyone

help?

My son has recently started to eat his own poop.

I have researched on the internet and found very little, except that it's

called Coprophagia, and it's the ugliest word I have ever come across. He

has autism and though he was diagnosed a decade ago and I thought I knew so

much about this disorder I didn't know this could be part of it.

I'm at a loss.....I've taken him to the doctor and found no help there. This

is the dark side of Autism, that no one warns you about, nor talks about.

Why not tell the story and help others. I can't imagine he is the only one.

I thought for sure some blog somewhere would have mentioned it or some first

hand account, but I found nothing. What I did find was very brief and vague.

I don't want to think that this is what it's going to be like for him for

the rest of his life.

He is an SCD, gfcf, no sugar, antifungals, multivitamins, etc.

If anyone knows someone who is having this problem, please put them in

contact with me. My email is maria.sigler1978@...

<mailto:maria.sigler1978%40gmail.com>

Thank you in advance,

[Guest guest]

Chrystal, but he can't have milk. Isn't goat's milk, still milk?

On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 1:03 PM, Crystal Palmer-Bull <

cpalmerbull@...> wrote:

>

>

> My gut feeling is deficiency of some kind.

>

> Sounds like he wants to keep or regain nutrients being lost. I have to

> take autistic behaviors as what they are .. very basically our kids are

> usually spelling it out for us ,.literally. That almost says he is

> nutritional starving. seems like a primitive and desperate act. like one

> would dink urine if thirsty enough. I hope I did not offend. Just had a

> weird gut feeling and thought I would reach out

>

> My son came back to us on raw GOAT MILK, YOU HAVE SEEN A LOT OF THE BOARD

> LATELY BUT EVERY ASPECT OF OUR LIVES IS BETTER . AND IF THEY SAY GOAT IS

> CLOSES TO MOTHERS MILK THEN WHAT BETTER MORE NUTRIOUS HEALING FOOD ?

>

> From:

< %40>[mailto:

> < %40>]

> On Behalf Of maria.sigler1978

> Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 1:21 AM

>

> < %40>

> Subject: [ ] Why has my son started to eat poop? Can anyone

> help?

>

> My son has recently started to eat his own poop.

>

> I have researched on the internet and found very little, except that it's

> called Coprophagia, and it's the ugliest word I have ever come across. He

> has autism and though he was diagnosed a decade ago and I thought I knew so

> much about this disorder I didn't know this could be part of it.

>

> I'm at a loss.....I've taken him to the doctor and found no help there.

> This

> is the dark side of Autism, that no one warns you about, nor talks about.

> Why not tell the story and help others. I can't imagine he is the only one.

>

> I thought for sure some blog somewhere would have mentioned it or some

> first

> hand account, but I found nothing. What I did find was very brief and

> vague.

>

> I don't want to think that this is what it's going to be like for him for

> the rest of his life.

>

> He is an SCD, gfcf, no sugar, antifungals, multivitamins, etc.

>

> If anyone knows someone who is having this problem, please put them in

> contact with me. My email is

maria.sigler1978@...<maria.sigler1978%40gmail.com>

> <mailto:maria.sigler1978%40gmail.com <maria.sigler1978%2540gmail.com>>

>

> Thank you in advance,

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Makes sense, but what could he be starving of?

On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 1:03 PM, Crystal Palmer-Bull <

cpalmerbull@...> wrote:

>

>

> My gut feeling is deficiency of some kind.

>

> Sounds like he wants to keep or regain nutrients being lost. I have to

> take autistic behaviors as what they are .. very basically our kids are

> usually spelling it out for us ,.literally. That almost says he is

> nutritional starving. seems like a primitive and desperate act. like one

> would dink urine if thirsty enough. I hope I did not offend. Just had a

> weird gut feeling and thought I would reach out

>

> My son came back to us on raw GOAT MILK, YOU HAVE SEEN A LOT OF THE BOARD

> LATELY BUT EVERY ASPECT OF OUR LIVES IS BETTER . AND IF THEY SAY GOAT IS

> CLOSES TO MOTHERS MILK THEN WHAT BETTER MORE NUTRIOUS HEALING FOOD ?

>

> From:

< %40>[mailto:

> < %40>]

> On Behalf Of maria.sigler1978

> Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 1:21 AM

>

> < %40>

> Subject: [ ] Why has my son started to eat poop? Can anyone

> help?

>

> My son has recently started to eat his own poop.

>

> I have researched on the internet and found very little, except that it's

> called Coprophagia, and it's the ugliest word I have ever come across. He

> has autism and though he was diagnosed a decade ago and I thought I knew so

> much about this disorder I didn't know this could be part of it.

>

> I'm at a loss.....I've taken him to the doctor and found no help there.

> This

> is the dark side of Autism, that no one warns you about, nor talks about.

> Why not tell the story and help others. I can't imagine he is the only one.

>

> I thought for sure some blog somewhere would have mentioned it or some

> first

> hand account, but I found nothing. What I did find was very brief and

> vague.

>

> I don't want to think that this is what it's going to be like for him for

> the rest of his life.

>

> He is an SCD, gfcf, no sugar, antifungals, multivitamins, etc.

>

> If anyone knows someone who is having this problem, please put them in

> contact with me. My email is

maria.sigler1978@...<maria.sigler1978%40gmail.com>

> <mailto:maria.sigler1978%40gmail.com <maria.sigler1978%2540gmail.com>>

>

> Thank you in advance,

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Crystal,

I met someone who has several goats, they are certified brucella-free....shall

I give a try on the milk just so, not a little boiling, nothing?

How much in the beginning?

TIa!!!

Isa

Enviado desde mi oficina móvil BlackBerry® de Telcel

[ ] Why has my son started to eat poop? Can anyone

help?

My son has recently started to eat his own poop.

I have researched on the internet and found very little, except that it's

called Coprophagia, and it's the ugliest word I have ever come across. He

has autism and though he was diagnosed a decade ago and I thought I knew so

much about this disorder I didn't know this could be part of it.

I'm at a loss.....I've taken him to the doctor and found no help there. This

is the dark side of Autism, that no one warns you about, nor talks about.

Why not tell the story and help others. I can't imagine he is the only one.

I thought for sure some blog somewhere would have mentioned it or some first

hand account, but I found nothing. What I did find was very brief and vague.

I don't want to think that this is what it's going to be like for him for

the rest of his life.

He is an SCD, gfcf, no sugar, antifungals, multivitamins, etc.

If anyone knows someone who is having this problem, please put them in

contact with me. My email is maria.sigler1978@...

<mailto:maria.sigler1978%40gmail.com>

Thank you in advance,

[Guest guest]

Just off the top of my head has he been tested for genetic metabolic type

issues. I know my family has a thing called a MTHFR gene mutation, fairly

common and they say that 10-15% of the Caucasian population carry it. It is

basically a inability to use B vitamins and folic acid (synthetic for the

most part I have found in my research is the problem ). So these people no

matter how well they think they are eating are not getting enough B's... so

the treat it with boat loads of B's and foliate. Seems to work So in a

modern diet where much of our food is fortified we actually do worse than if

we ate like we did 300 years ago. Meat and dairy and esp fermented dairy

have great B's and very bioactive availability.

Things like that are usually a culprit of hidden deficiencies ....not that

you aren't providing a balanced diet.... but there are tons these types

metabolic disorders. B vitamin therapy has gotten good results and

statistically speaking autistics carru MTHFR more often then the rest of the

population so maybe there is something there.

I am just a mom thinking out loud

[ ] Why has my son started to eat poop? Can anyone

> help?

>

> My son has recently started to eat his own poop.

>

> I have researched on the internet and found very little, except that it's

> called Coprophagia, and it's the ugliest word I have ever come across. He

> has autism and though he was diagnosed a decade ago and I thought I knew

so

> much about this disorder I didn't know this could be part of it.

>

> I'm at a loss.....I've taken him to the doctor and found no help there.

> This

> is the dark side of Autism, that no one warns you about, nor talks about.

> Why not tell the story and help others. I can't imagine he is the only

one.

>

> I thought for sure some blog somewhere would have mentioned it or some

> first

> hand account, but I found nothing. What I did find was very brief and

> vague.

>

> I don't want to think that this is what it's going to be like for him for

> the rest of his life.

>

> He is an SCD, gfcf, no sugar, antifungals, multivitamins, etc.

>

> If anyone knows someone who is having this problem, please put them in

> contact with me. My email is

maria.sigler1978@...<maria.sigler1978%40gmail.com>

> <mailto:maria.sigler1978%40gmail.com <maria.sigler1978%2540gmail.com>>

>

> Thank you in advance,

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I would visit the farm... get a feel do they treat the animals well, what

are they feeding (I don't feed GMO or wheat or soy to my goats)... and try a

qt or 1/2 gallon and I would let your kids tell you how fast and how to go.

You will watch them ... follow your gut is my best advice.

If you like the farmer and you feel in your gut a good vibe... buy if not...

DON " T But the whole point is to keep it ALWAYS RAW, or you kill the enzymes

and the proboscis and render it useless in bioactive availability. Besides

now you have BAD casein from heat damage. The reason we thought dairy was

bad in the 1st place. Remember as long as you get a good feeling about the

cleanliness the farmer ..you like the taste ... remember god gave milk to

all mammals and NO BREAST EVER CAME WITH A PASTURIZER.

.... always taste first yourself before you give to your child, lol

Google Louis Pasture and deathbed confession and you will be astonished at

the germ theory we have been sold...oh wait you may not we are mostly anti

vaccine parents lol really check it out. When a one of the most predominate

modern scientist recants his life's work as a fraud ...on HIS DEATH BED we

should listen !!!

More than anything .... you have come this far on mothers intuition...

FOLLOW IT.

I feel uniquely places as someone who understood what they did to our milk

because I have animals and what it did to us .. as I have an autistic son...

[ ] Why has my son started to eat poop? Can anyone

help?

My son has recently started to eat his own poop.

I have researched on the internet and found very little, except that it's

called Coprophagia, and it's the ugliest word I have ever come across. He

has autism and though he was diagnosed a decade ago and I thought I knew so

much about this disorder I didn't know this could be part of it.

I'm at a loss.....I've taken him to the doctor and found no help there. This

is the dark side of Autism, that no one warns you about, nor talks about.

Why not tell the story and help others. I can't imagine he is the only one.

I thought for sure some blog somewhere would have mentioned it or some first

hand account, but I found nothing. What I did find was very brief and vague.

I don't want to think that this is what it's going to be like for him for

the rest of his life.

He is an SCD, gfcf, no sugar, antifungals, multivitamins, etc.

If anyone knows someone who is having this problem, please put them in

contact with me. My email is maria.sigler1978@...

<mailto:maria.sigler1978%40gmail.com>

Thank you in advance,

[Guest guest]

If you follow the thread you will see

I don't want to re do everything ..

Basically what they are finding and was true in my house that people handle

raw milk just fine and it is only Pasteurized adulterated dairy that is the

problem. It's not the milk... it's not the kids... it's what we are doing to

the milk ...

My son was so sensitive to dairy that I could not even eat (pasteurized)

dairy while I was nursing. I researched and tried raw cow milk and my kids

did fine with it.. no issues at all. But OMG when I tried RAW goat milk it

was the single biggest dietary part of s recovery... see the post and

video of him NOW

I would have thought no way in the world could my kids have dairy ... turns

out it was just adulterated dairy... REAL milk was just fine.. now that I

think about it if he really had a milk issue would he not be able to drink

my milk? All the same components... I varying degrees

Some people will actually show a IGG IGM IGE type antibody and they truly

have a milk allergy... but that is very very rare. Most parents of autistics

are shocked when the testing shows no dairy allergy because we SEE with our

eyes what is happening ..but like I said its not the milk, or the kids, its

what we did to the milk.

Really look back and read last week's posts

We have moms that are giving feedback that is really positive

[ ] Why has my son started to eat poop? Can anyone

> help?

>

> My son has recently started to eat his own poop.

>

> I have researched on the internet and found very little, except that it's

> called Coprophagia, and it's the ugliest word I have ever come across. He

> has autism and though he was diagnosed a decade ago and I thought I knew

so

> much about this disorder I didn't know this could be part of it.

>

> I'm at a loss.....I've taken him to the doctor and found no help there.

> This

> is the dark side of Autism, that no one warns you about, nor talks about.

> Why not tell the story and help others. I can't imagine he is the only

one.

>

> I thought for sure some blog somewhere would have mentioned it or some

> first

> hand account, but I found nothing. What I did find was very brief and

> vague.

>

> I don't want to think that this is what it's going to be like for him for

> the rest of his life.

>

> He is an SCD, gfcf, no sugar, antifungals, multivitamins, etc.

>

> If anyone knows someone who is having this problem, please put them in

> contact with me. My email is

maria.sigler1978@...<maria.sigler1978%40gmail.com>

> <mailto:maria.sigler1978%40gmail.com <maria.sigler1978%2540gmail.com>>

>

> Thank you in advance,

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Maybe you are on to something with immune dysfunction. My son has immune system

dysfunction. He appears quite well now though and we had an episode this

morning. (At least he is starting to bring is *prize* in his hand to show us

before he makes a bigger mess.)

>

> No he is not the only one, and it is a story that needs to be told, but I

guess the majority of people doesn't like ugly reality stories but prefers

buttered up versions of the truth. I can't tell you why your sone, or my

daughter eat poop I can only share our experience.

> My youngest daughter used to eat poop, and smeared it all over herself, the

carpet, walls, siblings when she was very yeasty. Usually this was when her body

was (trying) to fight off some virus and when we gave her immune boosting

treatments. 

> When she was like that, and it could not be fixed quickly, she was dressed in

a body (like a babies body) you can buy big sizes on the internet, so at least

she cannot reach her poop easily.

> Our girls are on diets, multi-vitamins etc. no anti fungals though because our

approach has been to crowd out the bad bugs with good bugs....we also use

enzymes (candidase, virastop etc.) to keep the bad bugs at bay. It seems to

work for my daughter cause since about a year I've caught her only once with

poop in her hand....luckily I was just in time and she didn't repeat after that.

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: maria.sigler1978 <maria.sigler1978@...>

>

> Sent: Mon, June 21, 2010 6:20:55 AM

> Subject: [ ] Why has my son started to eat poop? Can anyone help?

>

>  

> My son has recently started to eat his own poop.

>

> I have researched on the internet and found very little, except that it's

called Coprophagia, and it's the ugliest word I have ever come across. He has

autism and though he was diagnosed a decade ago and I thought I knew so much

about this disorder I didn't know this could be part of it.

>

> I'm at a loss.....I've taken him to the doctor and found no help there. This

is the dark side of Autism, that no one warns you about, nor talks about. Why

not tell the story and help others. I can't imagine he is the only one.

>

> I thought for sure some blog somewhere would have mentioned it or some first

hand account, but I found nothing. What I did find was very brief and vague.

>

> I don't want to think that this is what it's going to be like for him for the

rest of his life.

>

> He is an SCD, gfcf, no sugar, antifungals, multivitamins, etc.

>

> If anyone knows someone who is having this problem, please put them in contact

with me. My email is maria.sigler1978@...

>

> Thank you in advance,

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

My kids were the same way when nursing. They were SICK SICK SICK and when i

finally realized it was a milk " allergy " (test showed no allergy), I began to

drink soy milk. Little did I know my son was also " allergic " to soy. Later,

when I stopped nursing, I tried to give him milk based formula and he vomited

all of it, even lactose free....even soy.

I put him on goat's milk at 10 mo. and he started to improve and sleep thro the

night (but this was commercial milk). At two, I put him back on cow's milk

(commercial) thinking he had outgrown his allergy.

Within on year he was forgetting words and starting to quit walking. He was

having raging tempers. I didn't put two and two together until almost one year

later.

I put him on SCD and he had a drastic improvement. After reading sillychicken's

post, we started raw goat's milk last week. My son woke up dry for the first

time ever - the only time he had ever done this was when he was on colloidal

silver for illness. My two year old daughter has had a yeast rash on her diaper

area for over a year, ins pite of SCD. IT IS GONE!

Do some research on the beneficial bacteria/PH levels/colostrum, etc. in raw

goat's milk.

If you try raw goat's milk and see bad symptoms at first - it could be horrible

die-off. Even diarrhea could (most likely) be from horrible die - off.

>

> >

> >

> > My gut feeling is deficiency of some kind.

> >

> > Sounds like he wants to keep or regain nutrients being lost. I have to

> > take autistic behaviors as what they are .. very basically our kids are

> > usually spelling it out for us ,.literally. That almost says he is

> > nutritional starving. seems like a primitive and desperate act. like one

> > would dink urine if thirsty enough. I hope I did not offend. Just had a

> > weird gut feeling and thought I would reach out

> >

> > My son came back to us on raw GOAT MILK, YOU HAVE SEEN A LOT OF THE BOARD

> > LATELY BUT EVERY ASPECT OF OUR LIVES IS BETTER . AND IF THEY SAY GOAT IS

> > CLOSES TO MOTHERS MILK THEN WHAT BETTER MORE NUTRIOUS HEALING FOOD ?

> >

> > From:

< %40>[mailto:

> > < %40>]

> > On Behalf Of maria.sigler1978

> > Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 1:21 AM

> >

> > < %40>

> > Subject: [ ] Why has my son started to eat poop? Can anyone

> > help?

> >

> > My son has recently started to eat his own poop.

> >

> > I have researched on the internet and found very little, except that it's

> > called Coprophagia, and it's the ugliest word I have ever come across. He

> > has autism and though he was diagnosed a decade ago and I thought I knew so

> > much about this disorder I didn't know this could be part of it.

> >

> > I'm at a loss.....I've taken him to the doctor and found no help there.

> > This

> > is the dark side of Autism, that no one warns you about, nor talks about.

> > Why not tell the story and help others. I can't imagine he is the only one.

> >

> > I thought for sure some blog somewhere would have mentioned it or some

> > first

> > hand account, but I found nothing. What I did find was very brief and

> > vague.

> >

> > I don't want to think that this is what it's going to be like for him for

> > the rest of his life.

> >

> > He is an SCD, gfcf, no sugar, antifungals, multivitamins, etc.

> >

> > If anyone knows someone who is having this problem, please put them in

> > contact with me. My email is

maria.sigler1978@...<maria.sigler1978%40gmail.com>

> > <mailto:maria.sigler1978%40gmail.com <maria.sigler1978%2540gmail.com>>

> >

> > Thank you in advance,

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Our stories sound the same, we should compile them and give them to Dr's so

they look for patterns

My kids have been very yeasty/ thrushy and we have had great results without

a huge die off response(just us). I Maybe there is so many other bio

available vitamins and minerals that it helps in their die off recovery..

maybe lessons it. Even if I get a loser stool on the raw milk (almost NEVER

happens) it was just lose . it I was NOT the same old nasty dairy poop, it

used to be a terrible PH , leave a rash , it smelled not human , and had

tons of mucus.

Now after my kids have had a decent amount of raw goat milk and raw goat

milk colostrums their guts are in so good a shape we can " occasionally " have

pasteurized dairy without issue as long as it is not on an empty tummy. But

we have had a LOT of gut healing first and only occasionally for social

stuff.. coach brings the whole T-ball team tonight for ice cream for

example)

From: [mailto: ]

On Behalf Of arabella5c

Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 9:32 PM

Subject: [ ] Re: Why has my son started to eat poop? Can anyone

help?

My kids were the same way when nursing. They were SICK SICK SICK and when i

finally realized it was a milk " allergy " (test showed no allergy), I began

to drink soy milk. Little did I know my son was also " allergic " to soy.

Later, when I stopped nursing, I tried to give him milk based formula and he

vomited all of it, even lactose free....even soy.

I put him on goat's milk at 10 mo. and he started to improve and sleep thro

the night (but this was commercial milk). At two, I put him back on cow's

milk (commercial) thinking he had outgrown his allergy.

Within on year he was forgetting words and starting to quit walking. He was

having raging tempers. I didn't put two and two together until almost one

year later.

I put him on SCD and he had a drastic improvement. After reading

sillychicken's post, we started raw goat's milk last week. My son woke up

dry for the first time ever - the only time he had ever done this was when

he was on colloidal silver for illness. My two year old daughter has had a

yeast rash on her diaper area for over a year, ins pite of SCD. IT IS GONE!

Do some research on the beneficial bacteria/PH levels/colostrum, etc. in raw

goat's milk.

If you try raw goat's milk and see bad symptoms at first - it could be

horrible die-off. Even diarrhea could (most likely) be from horrible die -

off.

>

> >

> >

> > My gut feeling is deficiency of some kind.

> >

> > Sounds like he wants to keep or regain nutrients being lost. I have to

> > take autistic behaviors as what they are .. very basically our kids are

> > usually spelling it out for us ,.literally. That almost says he is

> > nutritional starving. seems like a primitive and desperate act. like one

> > would dink urine if thirsty enough. I hope I did not offend. Just had a

> > weird gut feeling and thought I would reach out

> >

> > My son came back to us on raw GOAT MILK, YOU HAVE SEEN A LOT OF THE

BOARD

> > LATELY BUT EVERY ASPECT OF OUR LIVES IS BETTER . AND IF THEY SAY GOAT IS

> > CLOSES TO MOTHERS MILK THEN WHAT BETTER MORE NUTRIOUS HEALING FOOD ?

> >

> > From:

<mailto: %40>

< %40>[mailto:

> > <mailto: %40>

< %40>]

> > On Behalf Of maria.sigler1978

> > Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 1:21 AM

> >

> >

<mailto: %40>

< %40>

> > Subject: [ ] Why has my son started to eat poop? Can anyone

> > help?

> >

> > My son has recently started to eat his own poop.

> >

> > I have researched on the internet and found very little, except that

it's

> > called Coprophagia, and it's the ugliest word I have ever come across.

He

> > has autism and though he was diagnosed a decade ago and I thought I knew

so

> > much about this disorder I didn't know this could be part of it.

> >

> > I'm at a loss.....I've taken him to the doctor and found no help there.

> > This

> > is the dark side of Autism, that no one warns you about, nor talks

about.

> > Why not tell the story and help others. I can't imagine he is the only

one.

> >

> > I thought for sure some blog somewhere would have mentioned it or some

> > first

> > hand account, but I found nothing. What I did find was very brief and

> > vague.

> >

> > I don't want to think that this is what it's going to be like for him

for

> > the rest of his life.

> >

> > He is an SCD, gfcf, no sugar, antifungals, multivitamins, etc.

> >

> > If anyone knows someone who is having this problem, please put them in

> > contact with me. My email is

maria.sigler1978@...<maria.sigler1978%40gmail.com>

> > <mailto:maria.sigler1978%40gmail.com <maria.sigler1978%2540gmail.com>>

> >

> > Thank you in advance,

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

It makes sense. I'm sure he doesn't absorb nutrients well. He eats a lot and

can't gain weight. Coincidentally I added Folic Acid this morning.

I upped the Enzymes and the B6. I wonder how high I should go with the B6?

On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 1:35 PM, Crystal Palmer-Bull <

cpalmerbull@...> wrote:

>

>

> Just off the top of my head has he been tested for genetic metabolic type

> issues. I know my family has a thing called a MTHFR gene mutation, fairly

> common and they say that 10-15% of the Caucasian population carry it. It is

> basically a inability to use B vitamins and folic acid (synthetic for the

> most part I have found in my research is the problem ). So these people no

> matter how well they think they are eating are not getting enough B's... so

> the treat it with boat loads of B's and foliate. Seems to work So in a

> modern diet where much of our food is fortified we actually do worse than

> if

> we ate like we did 300 years ago. Meat and dairy and esp fermented dairy

> have great B's and very bioactive availability.

>

> Things like that are usually a culprit of hidden deficiencies ....not that

> you aren't providing a balanced diet.... but there are tons these types

> metabolic disorders. B vitamin therapy has gotten good results and

> statistically speaking autistics carru MTHFR more often then the rest of

> the

> population so maybe there is something there.

>

> I am just a mom thinking out loud

>

>

> [ ] Why has my son started to eat poop? Can anyone

> > help?

> >

> > My son has recently started to eat his own poop.

> >

> > I have researched on the internet and found very little, except that it's

> > called Coprophagia, and it's the ugliest word I have ever come across. He

> > has autism and though he was diagnosed a decade ago and I thought I knew

> so

> > much about this disorder I didn't know this could be part of it.

> >

> > I'm at a loss.....I've taken him to the doctor and found no help there.

> > This

> > is the dark side of Autism, that no one warns you about, nor talks about.

> > Why not tell the story and help others. I can't imagine he is the only

> one.

> >

> > I thought for sure some blog somewhere would have mentioned it or some

> > first

> > hand account, but I found nothing. What I did find was very brief and

> > vague.

> >

> > I don't want to think that this is what it's going to be like for him for

> > the rest of his life.

> >

> > He is an SCD, gfcf, no sugar, antifungals, multivitamins, etc.

> >

> > If anyone knows someone who is having this problem, please put them in

> > contact with me. My email is

> maria.sigler1978@... <maria.sigler1978%40gmail.com>

> <maria.sigler1978%40gmail.com>

> > <mailto:maria.sigler1978%40gmail.com

<maria.sigler1978%2540gmail.com><maria.sigler1978%

> 2540gmail.com>>

>

> >

> > Thank you in advance,

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

He also had a normal allergy test, but a grastro doc ordered him to be off

Dairy do to high IgE, but I hear so many good results with goat milk, that I

will have to give it a try.

Where does someone go to buy goat milk, besides the grocery store, because

I've seen Goats milk there, but it's probably not raw.

On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 7:21 PM, Crystal Palmer-Bull <

cpalmerbull@...> wrote:

>

>

> Our stories sound the same, we should compile them and give them to Dr's so

> they look for patterns

>

> My kids have been very yeasty/ thrushy and we have had great results

> without

> a huge die off response(just us). I Maybe there is so many other bio

> available vitamins and minerals that it helps in their die off recovery..

> maybe lessons it. Even if I get a loser stool on the raw milk (almost NEVER

> happens) it was just lose . it I was NOT the same old nasty dairy poop, it

> used to be a terrible PH , leave a rash , it smelled not human , and had

> tons of mucus.

>

> Now after my kids have had a decent amount of raw goat milk and raw goat

> milk colostrums their guts are in so good a shape we can " occasionally "

> have

> pasteurized dairy without issue as long as it is not on an empty tummy. But

> we have had a LOT of gut healing first and only occasionally for social

> stuff.. coach brings the whole T-ball team tonight for ice cream for

> example)

>

> From:

< %40>[mailto:

> < %40>]

> On Behalf Of arabella5c

> Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 9:32 PM

>

> < %40>

> Subject: [ ] Re: Why has my son started to eat poop? Can

> anyone

> help?

>

> My kids were the same way when nursing. They were SICK SICK SICK and when i

> finally realized it was a milk " allergy " (test showed no allergy), I began

> to drink soy milk. Little did I know my son was also " allergic " to soy.

> Later, when I stopped nursing, I tried to give him milk based formula and

> he

> vomited all of it, even lactose free....even soy.

>

> I put him on goat's milk at 10 mo. and he started to improve and sleep thro

> the night (but this was commercial milk). At two, I put him back on cow's

> milk (commercial) thinking he had outgrown his allergy.

>

> Within on year he was forgetting words and starting to quit walking. He was

> having raging tempers. I didn't put two and two together until almost one

> year later.

>

> I put him on SCD and he had a drastic improvement. After reading

> sillychicken's post, we started raw goat's milk last week. My son woke up

> dry for the first time ever - the only time he had ever done this was when

> he was on colloidal silver for illness. My two year old daughter has had a

> yeast rash on her diaper area for over a year, ins pite of SCD. IT IS GONE!

>

> Do some research on the beneficial bacteria/PH levels/colostrum, etc. in

> raw

> goat's milk.

>

> If you try raw goat's milk and see bad symptoms at first - it could be

> horrible die-off. Even diarrhea could (most likely) be from horrible die -

> off.

>

>

> >

> > >

> > >

> > > My gut feeling is deficiency of some kind.

> > >

> > > Sounds like he wants to keep or regain nutrients being lost. I have to

> > > take autistic behaviors as what they are .. very basically our kids are

> > > usually spelling it out for us ,.literally. That almost says he is

> > > nutritional starving. seems like a primitive and desperate act. like

> one

> > > would dink urine if thirsty enough. I hope I did not offend. Just had a

> > > weird gut feeling and thought I would reach out

> > >

> > > My son came back to us on raw GOAT MILK, YOU HAVE SEEN A LOT OF THE

> BOARD

> > > LATELY BUT EVERY ASPECT OF OUR LIVES IS BETTER . AND IF THEY SAY GOAT

> IS

> > > CLOSES TO MOTHERS MILK THEN WHAT BETTER MORE NUTRIOUS HEALING FOOD ?

> > >

> > > From: < %40>

> <mailto: %40< %2540>

> >

>

> < %40>[mailto:

> > > < %40><mailto:

> %40 < %2540>>

>

> < %40>]

> > > On Behalf Of maria.sigler1978

> > > Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 1:21 AM

> > >

> > > < %40>

> <mailto: %40< %2540>

> >

>

> < %40>

> > > Subject: [ ] Why has my son started to eat poop? Can

> anyone

> > > help?

> > >

> > > My son has recently started to eat his own poop.

> > >

> > > I have researched on the internet and found very little, except that

> it's

> > > called Coprophagia, and it's the ugliest word I have ever come across.

> He

> > > has autism and though he was diagnosed a decade ago and I thought I

> knew

> so

> > > much about this disorder I didn't know this could be part of it.

> > >

> > > I'm at a loss.....I've taken him to the doctor and found no help there.

> > > This

> > > is the dark side of Autism, that no one warns you about, nor talks

> about.

> > > Why not tell the story and help others. I can't imagine he is the only

> one.

> > >

> > > I thought for sure some blog somewhere would have mentioned it or some

> > > first

> > > hand account, but I found nothing. What I did find was very brief and

> > > vague.

> > >

> > > I don't want to think that this is what it's going to be like for him

> for

> > > the rest of his life.

> > >

> > > He is an SCD, gfcf, no sugar, antifungals, multivitamins, etc.

> > >

> > > If anyone knows someone who is having this problem, please put them in

> > > contact with me. My email is

> maria.sigler1978@...<maria.sigler1978%40gmail.com>

> > > <mailto:maria.sigler1978%40gmail.com

<maria.sigler1978%2540gmail.com><maria.sigler1978%

> 2540gmail.com>>

> > >

> > > Thank you in advance,

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

So when we talk about raw, what does this mean, not pasteurized? Is boiling

ok, or does this kill the Enzymes too?

On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 1:51 PM, Crystal Palmer-Bull <

cpalmerbull@...> wrote:

>

>

> I would visit the farm... get a feel do they treat the animals well, what

> are they feeding (I don't feed GMO or wheat or soy to my goats)... and try

> a

> qt or 1/2 gallon and I would let your kids tell you how fast and how to go.

>

> You will watch them ... follow your gut is my best advice.

>

> If you like the farmer and you feel in your gut a good vibe... buy if

> not...

> DON " T But the whole point is to keep it ALWAYS RAW, or you kill the enzymes

> and the proboscis and render it useless in bioactive availability. Besides

> now you have BAD casein from heat damage. The reason we thought dairy was

> bad in the 1st place. Remember as long as you get a good feeling about the

> cleanliness the farmer ..you like the taste ... remember god gave milk to

> all mammals and NO BREAST EVER CAME WITH A PASTURIZER.

>

> ... always taste first yourself before you give to your child, lol

>

> Google Louis Pasture and deathbed confession and you will be astonished at

> the germ theory we have been sold...oh wait you may not we are mostly anti

> vaccine parents lol really check it out. When a one of the most predominate

> modern scientist recants his life's work as a fraud ...on HIS DEATH BED we

> should listen !!!

>

> More than anything .... you have come this far on mothers intuition...

> FOLLOW IT.

>

> I feel uniquely places as someone who understood what they did to our milk

> because I have animals and what it did to us .. as I have an autistic

> son...

>

>

> [ ] Why has my son started to eat poop? Can anyone

> help?

>

> My son has recently started to eat his own poop.

>

> I have researched on the internet and found very little, except that it's

> called Coprophagia, and it's the ugliest word I have ever come across. He

> has autism and though he was diagnosed a decade ago and I thought I knew so

> much about this disorder I didn't know this could be part of it.

>

> I'm at a loss.....I've taken him to the doctor and found no help there.

> This

> is the dark side of Autism, that no one warns you about, nor talks about.

> Why not tell the story and help others. I can't imagine he is the only one.

>

> I thought for sure some blog somewhere would have mentioned it or some

> first

> hand account, but I found nothing. What I did find was very brief and

> vague.

>

> I don't want to think that this is what it's going to be like for him for

> the rest of his life.

>

> He is an SCD, gfcf, no sugar, antifungals, multivitamins, etc.

>

> If anyone knows someone who is having this problem, please put them in

> contact with me. My email is

maria.sigler1978@...<maria.sigler1978%40gmail.com>

> <mailto:maria.sigler1978%40gmail.com <maria.sigler1978%2540gmail.com>>

>

> Thank you in advance,

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Nah

>

> >

> >

> > My gut feeling is deficiency of some kind.

> >

> > Sounds like he wants to keep or regain nutrients being lost. I have to

> > take autistic behaviors as what they are .. very basically our kids are

> > usually spelling it out for us ,.literally. That almost says he is

> > nutritional starving. seems like a primitive and desperate act. like one

> > would dink urine if thirsty enough. I hope I did not offend. Just had a

> > weird gut feeling and thought I would reach out

> >

> > My son came back to us on raw GOAT MILK, YOU HAVE SEEN A LOT OF THE BOARD

> > LATELY BUT EVERY ASPECT OF OUR LIVES IS BETTER . AND IF THEY SAY GOAT IS

> > CLOSES TO MOTHERS MILK THEN WHAT BETTER MORE NUTRIOUS HEALING FOOD ?

> >

> > From:

> < %40>[mailto:

> > < %40>]

> > On Behalf Of maria.sigler1978

> > Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 1:21 AM

> >

> > < %40>

> > Subject: [ ] Why has my son started to eat poop? Can anyone

> > help?

> >

> > My son has recently started to eat his own poop.

> >

> > I have researched on the internet and found very little, except that it's

> > called Coprophagia, and it's the ugliest word I have ever come across. He

> > has autism and though he was diagnosed a decade ago and I thought I knew

> so

> > much about this disorder I didn't know this could be part of it.

> >

> > I'm at a loss.....I've taken him to the doctor and found no help there.

> > This

> > is the dark side of Autism, that no one warns you about, nor talks about.

> > Why not tell the story and help others. I can't imagine he is the only

> one.

> >

> > I thought for sure some blog somewhere would have mentioned it or some

> > first

> > hand account, but I found nothing. What I did find was very brief and

> > vague.

> >

> > I don't want to think that this is what it's going to be like for him for

> > the rest of his life.

> >

> > He is an SCD, gfcf, no sugar, antifungals, multivitamins, etc.

> >

> > If anyone knows someone who is having this problem, please put them in

> > contact with me. My email is

> maria.sigler1978@...<maria.sigler1978%40gmail.com>

> > <mailto:maria.sigler1978%40gmail.com <maria.sigler1978%2540gmail.com>>

> >

> > Thank you in advance,

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I agree it's sound like deficiency/ malabsorption problem. Here's good info on

malasorption syndromes.. perhaps a GI doctor can help

http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/931041-overview

Eating poop in animals is a sign of maldigestion/ malabsorption caused by a

condition known as Exocrine Pancreatic Insufficiency which can also occur in

humans

http://www.peteducation.com/article.cfm?c=2+2103 & aid=331

hth,

> >

> > >

> > >

> > > My gut feeling is deficiency of some kind.

> > >

> > > Sounds like he wants to keep or regain nutrients

> being lost. I have to

> > > take autistic behaviors as what they are .. very

> basically our kids are

> > > usually spelling it out for us ,.literally. That

> almost says he is

> > > nutritional starving. seems like a primitive and

> desperate act. like one

> > > would dink urine if thirsty enough. I hope I did

> not offend. Just had a

> > > weird gut feeling and thought I would reach out

> > >

> > > My son came back to us on raw GOAT MILK, YOU HAVE

> SEEN A LOT OF THE BOARD

> > > LATELY BUT EVERY ASPECT OF OUR LIVES IS BETTER .

> AND IF THEY SAY GOAT IS

> > > CLOSES TO MOTHERS MILK THEN WHAT BETTER MORE

> NUTRIOUS HEALING FOOD ?

> > >

> > > From:

> < %40>

> > < %40>[mailto:

> > >

> < %40>< %

> > 40>]

> >

> > > On Behalf Of maria.sigler1978

> > > Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 1:21 AM

> > >

> > >

> < %40>< %

> > 40>

> >

> > > Subject: [ ] Why has my son started

> to eat poop? Can anyone

> > > help?

> > >

> > > My son has recently started to eat his own poop.

> > >

> > > I have researched on the internet and found very

> little, except that it's

> > > called Coprophagia, and it's the ugliest word I

> have ever come across. He

> > > has autism and though he was diagnosed a decade

> ago and I thought I knew

> > so

> > > much about this disorder I didn't know this could

> be part of it.

> > >

> > > I'm at a loss.....I've taken him to the doctor

> and found no help there.

> > > This

> > > is the dark side of Autism, that no one warns you

> about, nor talks about.

> > > Why not tell the story and help others. I can't

> imagine he is the only

> > one.

> > >

> > > I thought for sure some blog somewhere would have

> mentioned it or some

> > > first

> > > hand account, but I found nothing. What I did

> find was very brief and

> > > vague.

> > >

> > > I don't want to think that this is what it's

> going to be like for him for

> > > the rest of his life.

> > >

> > > He is an SCD, gfcf, no sugar, antifungals,

> multivitamins, etc.

> > >

> > > If anyone knows someone who is having this

> problem, please put them in

> > > contact with me. My email is

> > maria.sigler1978@...

> <maria.sigler1978%40gmail.com>

> > <maria.sigler1978%40gmail.com>

> > > <mailto:maria.sigler1978%40gmail.com

> <maria.sigler1978%2540gmail.com><maria.sigler1978%

> > 2540gmail.com>>

> >

> > >

> > > Thank you in advance,

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Hi, in our case it was a mineral deficiency and overload of all toxic

metals.. Once we started chelating and supplementing with minerals, this

behavior disappeared.. I hope this helps.

Corinne

_____

From: [mailto: ]

On Behalf Of maria.sigler1978

Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 12:21 AM

Subject: [ ] Why has my son started to eat poop? Can anyone

help?

My son has recently started to eat his own poop.

I have researched on the internet and found very little, except that it's

called Coprophagia, and it's the ugliest word I have ever come across. He

has autism and though he was diagnosed a decade ago and I thought I knew so

much about this disorder I didn't know this could be part of it.

I'm at a loss.....I've taken him to the doctor and found no help there. This

is the dark side of Autism, that no one warns you about, nor talks about.

Why not tell the story and help others. I can't imagine he is the only one.

I thought for sure some blog somewhere would have mentioned it or some first

hand account, but I found nothing. What I did find was very brief and vague.

I don't want to think that this is what it's going to be like for him for

the rest of his life.

He is an SCD, gfcf, no sugar, antifungals, multivitamins, etc.

If anyone knows someone who is having this problem, please put them in

contact with me. My email is maria.sigler1978@...

<mailto:maria.sigler1978%40gmail.com>

Thank you in advance,