Flouride

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> Flouride

>

> For those of you who are interested.....

>

>

> A crack appears in the fluoride front -- After surveying the growing

> evidence,

> a high-profile advocate has second thoughts about the safety of fluoride.

>

> By Downey Special to the Toronto Star April 25 , 1999

>

> Two years ago, parents in the United States began noticing the word poison

> on

> their toothpaste tubes. The reason: U.S. drug regulators were beginning to

> doubt

> the safety of fluoride, particularly to children, and demanded warnings on

> the

> labels.

>

> Health Canada has not followed the U.S. lead, although fluoride toothpaste

> here

> does carry a mild warning to avoid swallowing it. But attitudes toward

> fluoride

> in this country are also beginning to change.

>

> Dr. Hardy Limeback is a leading Canadian fluoride authority who is often

> cited

> by health officials in their defense of fluoridated water. He is also a

> long-standing consultant to the Canadian Dental Association and a

> professor of

> dentistry at the University of Toronto.

>

> But in an interview last week, he conceded that fluoride may be destroying

> our

> bones, our teeth and our overall health. Although he still believes

> fluoride in

> toothpaste is effective against tooth decay, he says it doesn't need to be

> added

> to our water and we may be taking unnecessary risks by doing so.

>

> " There is no point swallowing fluoridated water. The only benefit comes

> with

> direct contact with the teeth.''

>

> " Torontonians have double the fluoride levels in their hip bones compared

> to

> Montreal, where water is not fluoridated.'' What effect these high

> fluoride

> deposits in our bones will have is unclear, he says, " but we know that in

> areas

> of the world where water is naturally high in fluoride, skeletal fluorosis

> is a

> widespread problem.'' Skeletal fluorosis is a debilitating condition that

> occurs

> when fluoride accumulates in bones, making them extremely weak and

> brittle. In

> parts of China, India and Turkey where water is naturally high in

> fluoride,

> residents tend to age early and die before the age of 50, weak, arthritic

> and

> hunched over. " Old'' men of 30 drag themselves around, leaning on sticks;

> their

> bones shatter like glass when they fall. Women give birth to dead babies

> after

> pregnancies of only four months.

>

> Children under three should never use fluoridated toothpaste. Or drink

> fluoridated water. And baby formula must never be made up using Toronto

> tap

> water. Never. The earliest symptom? Mottled and brittle teeth, a condition

> known

> as dental fluorosis.The condition weakens teeth, making them porous and

> thus

> easily stained. The mottled spots start off white but typically turn

> brown. It's

> permanent and recurring, and treating it is very costly.

>

> If this description sounds familiar, there's a good reason. Limeback says

> " most'' of the children he treats in his Mississauga practice suffer

> dental

> fluorosis, and by some estimates, 60 per cent of all children living in

> fluoridated areas have it.

>

> What causes it in these children is not just the water. Young children do

> not

> have the reflexes to avoid swallowing toothpaste when brushing their

> teeth. Some

> even enjoy the taste of it. And because they're developing rapidly,

> children are

> more susceptible to the negative effects of fluoride buildup.

>

> " Children under three should never use fluoridated toothpaste. Never. In

> fluoridated areas, people should never use fluoride supplements. We tried

> to get

> them banned for children but (the dentists) wouldn't even look at the

> evidence

> we presented, " says Limeback, emphasizing that we are now spending more

> treating

> dental fluorosis than we would spend treating cavities if water were not

> fluoridated.

>

> For decades, anti-fluoride activists have blamed fluoride (which is only

> slightly less poisonous than arsenic) for a variety of problems, including

> osteoporosis, bone cancer, kidney problems, arthritis, genetic damage and

> birth

> defects, premature aging, lowered intelligence, and Attention Deficit

> Hyperactive Disorder.

>

> Although there are numerous studies suggesting links between fluoride and

> various illnesses, pro-fluoridationists have always contended - correctly

> - that

> the exact effects of long-term fluoridation on our bodies have not been

> established beyond a shadow of a doubt.

>

> As , a high-profile fluoride booster and professor of dentistry

> at

> the University of British Columbia, says, " There is no proof that fluoride

> causes brittle bones or cancer, " at current concentrations. (Toronto's

> water

> supply is 1 part per million (ppm) fluoride. Toothpaste, typically,

> contains

> 1,500 ppm.) Limeback, who until very recently would have been considered

> an ally

> of 's, vehemently disagrees. " We absolutely know about the tragic

> consequences of higher levels of fluoride, and we know it builds up over

> time.

> These people haven't done any studies to find out what effect fluoride

> accumulation will have at current levels. How

> can they say it's safe when the studies haven't been done? Right now, we

> have

> people who have been ingesting fluoride for 35 years. "

>

> Limeback points out that almost all the beverages we drink (beer, pop,

> juice)

> are made with fluoridated water. Fish and other foods also contain

> fluoride.

> Many of the vegetables we eat are fertilized with compounds containing

> fluoride;

> they are irrigated with, and washed and cooked in, fluoridated water. So

> we are

> getting far more fluoride than it appears.

>

> And, considering safe fluoride levels in terms of concentrations (parts

> per

> million) is a dubious practice, since at least half the fluoride we ingest

> fuses

> with bones and teeth and never leaves the body.

>

> So although a big one-time dose of fluoride can kill - as happened to a

> New York

> boy during a fluoride treatment and to people in Alaska when too much

> fluoride

> was accidentally added to the water - Limeback says it's the cumulative

> effect

> we should be most worried about.

>

> Contrary to popular belief, there is no proof that fluoride fights

> cavities. In

> the U.S., the government recently ordered toothpaste manufacturers to stop

> claiming it does until they could prove it. (None bothered to try.)

>

> (This may seem ironic, given that companies who want to market new drugs

> must

> prove they are safe first whereas a drug already in our water will stay

> there

> until we prove it isn't safe.)

>

> Absolute proof may be hard to come by, but the evidence is abundant and

> compelling. A U.S.study showed a link to bone and liver cancer.

>

> A half dozen studies in the Journal of the American Medical Association

> show

> more hip fractures in fluoridated areas - up to 300 per cent more,

> according to

> one report. Appearing on a recent Canadian television show, a former

> scientist

> with the Environmental Protection Agency called fluoridation " the biggest

> fraud

> of the century.''

>

> Dr. Foulkes, special consultant to the B.C. Minister of Health.

> Both

> later reversed their recommendations. Wrote Colquhoun in 1982: " Common

> sense

> should tell us that if a poison circulating in a child's body can damage

> tooth-forming cells, then other harm is also likely.''

>

> In the final analysis, perhaps the proof is in the water. So, does

> Limeback

> drink tap water?

>

> I purchase distilled water at a local drugstore and we use it for all our

> beverage needs, " he says. " Look, I've been drinking fluoride for 35 years

> and I'm

> worried.

>

> I have joint problems which cleared up when I switched to non-fluoridated

> water

> . . . fluoride is a pollutant, so why would you want to swallow that

> stuff? "

>

> Downey is a Toronto freelance writer.

>

>

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Hi,

In my area if you call Culligan or one of the other water companies like EcoWater, they will come to you home and test your water for you for free. That is what they do in Mid-Missouri anyway.

~Karmakarma@...http://loaves-n-fishes.com

How do I find out if there is flouride in my water? I use a Brita water filter at home would that remove the flouride if there is some in there? Is flouride considered a mineral or a metal? Do you know that programs like WIC (a program designed to give women and children nutritional advice and $ for formula, cheese, milk etc.) WIC tells women to give flouride tablets to children who are breast fed because the children are not getting flouride from a water source (they are drinking breast milk instead). When I was told to do this, I thought "My child doesn't have teeth yet, why do they need flouride?" I am glad I did not follow their advice. Could someone answer my questions please?

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I am sending this to my friend who is going or should be writing a book on this very subject. Her and I conquer it has made our kids more autistic! She will have testing options for you as well as osmosis ideas for your tap. What particularly irritates me about this WIC program is their insistance to make these poor chidlren more neurologically unstable with flouride and vaccines

Kathy

[ ] flouride

How do I find out if there is flouride in my water? I use a Brita water filter at home would that remove the flouride if there is some in there? Is flouride considered a mineral or a metal? Do you know that programs like WIC (a program designed to give women and children nutritional advice and $ for formula, cheese, milk etc.) WIC tells women to give flouride tablets to children who are breast fed because the children are not getting flouride from a water source (they are drinking breast milk instead). When I was told to do this, I thought " My child doesn't have teeth yet, why do they need flouride? " I am glad I did not follow their advice. Could someone answer my questions please?

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There are definately non-flouride toothpastes available out there if you really look. I use a " baby " non-flouride toothpaste recommended by my dentist for my 18-month old daughter. This is because flouride toothpastes are not recommended for a child that age because they don't " spit " . I do give her bottled water rather than tap water because who knows what all is in our water. However....I do give her the flouridated nursery water that has trace amounts of flouride in it. Because she gets this, she does not gets vitamins that do not contain any flouride. Flourosis is caused by ingesting large amounts of flouride.

As for genetics, yes just like any other medical condition (heart disease, diabetes, etc.) some dental problems can " run in the family " . In fact, in my family there is a history of periodontal disease. My father's mother had a problem....upper right left....my father had a problem...upper right left....my oldest brother has a problem...upper right left. Unfortunately, I'm lucky enough to be having a problem. Can you guess where it is? Upper right left. My brother and I had the best dental care our whole lives. In fact, my father is a dentist. I never had a cavity until I was 28 years old.

I will take a minute to rave about composite fillings. When I had my two very bad seizures last year, my other fillings cracked...I assume from my teeth clashing together for periods of up to 10 minutes at a time. I am in the process of having them replaced. They were less than 5 years old. The composite material is stronger. So if the mercury issue holds true, then I suppose I will be healthier in the long run too.

I suppose we need to remember how some of these seizure meds can affect the teeth and gums (i.e. Dilantin). I noticed even when I was on Depakote that it took a toll on my teeth. When I was about 29 I started making sure I was on a 4 month recall. Unfortunately, I know that insurance won't pay for that for alot of folks. For the folks with developmental disabilities on my caseload, their medical assistance is lucky to pay for one trip a year! that's if they can find a dentist that will actually see them.

Jeanne

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Hi Kathy,

I agreee, in fact so many other Physicians, have been quite vocal about the dangers of flouride. In fact I believe that every other Physician on the Net has warned against the dangers of flouride. In fact one Physician clearly stated, "that there is enough flouride in one tube of toothpaste to kill a young child!!!

I don't know?

Take Care

Re: [ ] Re: Mineral Deficiency

The only thing wrong in this reference is the mind numbing statement, flouride is good for the bones. JEEZ..what a crock

Kathy

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How do I find out if there is flouride in my water supply?

magena25 <magena25@...> wrote:

Hi Kathy,

I agreee, in fact so many other Physicians, have been quite vocal about the dangers of flouride. In fact I believe that every other Physician on the Net has warned against the dangers of flouride. In fact one Physician clearly stated, "that there is enough flouride in one tube of toothpaste to kill a young child!!!

I don't know?

Take Care

Re: [ ] Re: Mineral Deficiency

The only thing wrong in this reference is the mind numbing statement, flouride is good for the bones. JEEZ..what a crock

Kathy

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Look on your water bill

.. Here in beaverton, 1ppm ARGH

Get a reverse osmosis water filtration system, this is the only thing that will take flouride out

Kathy

Re: [ ] Re: Mineral Deficiency

The only thing wrong in this reference is the mind numbing statement, flouride is good for the bones. JEEZ..what a crock

Kathy

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OK I will check out my water bill--got the nerve to charge it for me too, huh? But I guess that would be the whole point,...MONEY!

<kblanco@...> wrote:

Look on your water bill

.. Here in beaverton, 1ppm ARGH

Get a reverse osmosis water filtration system, this is the only thing that will take flouride out

Kathy

Re: [ ] Re: Mineral Deficiency

The only thing wrong in this reference is the mind numbing statement, flouride is good for the bones. JEEZ..what a crock

Kathy

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Exactly, the chattled controlled masses are we....(in experiments on the NAZI's, prisoners were given flouride so that they would "behave".... ...yes, that is exactly the point, don't look on the water bill, it may make you too smart WINK)

Kathy

Re: [ ] Re: Mineral Deficiency

The only thing wrong in this reference is the mind numbing statement, flouride is good for the bones. JEEZ..what a crock

Kathy

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I did go ahead with the composite fillings for my son. Cost me a bundle. $100 for each of two cavities, Ouch! But his health is worth it. The dental office has submitted the claim, but the dental office told me that UCare (through medical assistance) will not pay for any portion of the appointment if you opt for the composite fillings. Most private insurance will pay for everything up to the additional cost of the composite. Hopefully the dental office is wrong, either way my son will have to do better brushing with my supervision to ensure we do not have that cost again. ( My private health insurance through my job is $300 a month for my two kids, so I have to go with a state plan--I simply can't afford it.)

<kblanco@...> wrote:

Exactly, the chattled controlled masses are we....(in experiments on the NAZI's, prisoners were given flouride so that they would "behave".... ...yes, that is exactly the point, don't look on the water bill, it may make you too smart WINK)

Kathy

Re: [ ] Re: Mineral Deficiency

The only thing wrong in this reference is the mind numbing statement, flouride is good for the bones. JEEZ..what a crock

Kathy

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Dear AW,

If the water that you use is from the City, County or some other Municipal source then you can phone them and ask if your water contains flouride.

Another possibility is to phone the local Health Dept. and ask them.

If however, you are on a private well then your water wouldn't contain any flouride.

Sometimes the Term Flouridation is used to describe the process of treating water with flouride.

In conclusion, all the negative articles that have been written about Flouridation do not seem to have had any impact on Elected Officials.

Take Care,

Sharon

P.S. - Note Websters Definition of Flouridation:

One entry found for fluoridate.

Main Entry: fluo·ri·date Pronunciation: 'flur- & -"dAt, 'flOr-, 'flor-Function: transitive verbInflected Form(s): -dat·ed; -dat·ingDate: 1949: to add a fluoride to (as drinking water) to reduce tooth decay- fluo·ri·da·tion /"flur- & -'dA-sh & n, "flOr-, "flor-/ noun

Re: [ ] Re: Flouride

How do I find out if there is flouride in my water supply? magena25 <magena25@...> wrote:

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This is the state of affairs isn't it? From toxic teeth to flouride to vaccines. All of these implicated in how my children got autism! Then when you really need help to get therapies to be paid for..... FOR THE INJURY INFLICTED UPON YOU BY NINE OUT OF TEN DENTIST OR DOCTORS...you either can't encode it as SYSTEMIC ILLNESS NEUROIMMUNE DYSFUNCTION, ie AUTISM or SEIZURES BECUASE OF VACCINE INJURY, or TEETH FALLING OUT BECUASE OF FLOURIDE. I am not one to go postal on this, or to get all conspiritous, but after a while, after you dinged so many times, and then find out how the "system" works, then you start to wonder.....why do all these BIG ORGANIZATIONS want us so sick? AND THEN MAKE US PAY FOR IT...HEH? Does MONEY RING A BELL, and how about the ultimate CONTROL OF THE MASSES? And...for the last thought...POPULATION CONTROL?

Kathy

Re: [ ] Re: Mineral Deficiency

The only thing wrong in this reference is the mind numbing statement, flouride is good for the bones. JEEZ..what a crock

Kathy

[Guest guest]

Were your children "fine" or considered normal up until a certain time in their life and then then began to show signs of autism---after vaccinations or something? I have read many of your posts and corresponded with you before, but I have never really known the background to your children's stories.

<kblanco@...> wrote:

This is the state of affairs isn't it? From toxic teeth to flouride to vaccines. All of these implicated in how my children got autism! Then when you really need help to get therapies to be paid for..... FOR THE INJURY INFLICTED UPON YOU BY NINE OUT OF TEN DENTIST OR DOCTORS...you either can't encode it as SYSTEMIC ILLNESS NEUROIMMUNE DYSFUNCTION, ie AUTISM or SEIZURES BECUASE OF VACCINE INJURY, or TEETH FALLING OUT BECUASE OF FLOURIDE. I am not one to go postal on this, or to get all conspiritous, but after a while, after you dinged so many times, and then find out how the "system" works, then you start to wonder.....why do all these BIG ORGANIZATIONS want us so sick? AND THEN MAKE US PAY FOR IT...HEH? Does MONEY RING A BELL, and how about the ultimate CONTROL OF THE MASSES? And...for the last thought...POPULATION CONTROL?

Kathy

Re: [ ] Re: Mineral Deficiency

The only thing wrong in this reference is the mind numbing statement, flouride is good for the bones. JEEZ..what a crock

Kathy

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I have refused x-rays that they call routine. I figure if I am not

noticing a problem, I don't want the x-rays. They did not have a

problem with it but I did have to sign saying that I refused that

treatment. You should be able to make that decision for your

children. We need to be a little more aggressive in our wishes

whether dentist or doctor.

Venizia

-- In hypothyroidism , " sweetenloe1 " <sweetnwright@...>

wrote:

>

> I am taking my kiddos to the dentist and want to refuse flouride

> treatment. Has anyone on here done that before? How did you go about

> it? What did they say?

> cw

>

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I did refuse for myself recently - just told them I had thyroid issues and it

was harmful to that (could have pointed out more but didn't) - when I checked

out the hygenist told that to the receptionist and she agreed with me and told

me a friend of hers had thyroid problems and stopped using anything with

flouride and was able to get off synthroid. That's not going to happen to me

but it was nice to know people are learning some of these things.

However, on xrays - an older man was refusing them and they were telling him how

it's very safe and a small dose and he said " but it all ads up " - he also told

them there are a lot of things that doctors do that aren't good - they agreed

with him but held to their stand on xrays (dentist wasn't there at the time) but

what really got me is they told him it's a LAW in Florida that a dentist has to

do xrays every two years (and with new patients) or she could lose her license.

I have checked all Florida statutes and not found anything that says that! I

too do not want xrays anymore and they are saying when I go next time for

cleaning I will be due for them (and it won't even be two years) . The man

ended up leaving without getting his teeth cleaned and checked. I wanted to

talk to him but I had no excuse to stay and he left after me. I'm not sure what

to do because I feel I've had enough xray exposure already.

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Maybe that's what's causing the majority of citizens to become passive as the

government robbs us of our rights and sales our health to the highest

contributor. I want people to picket the government to stop the bought and paid

for favors which allowed deals like TMAPS.

SSRI medications

From: jeremybryce1953@...

Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 23:28:10 +0000

Subject: flouride

the Russians used flouride in their concentration camps as a "

calmative "

see -

The History of Health (In Chronological Order)

http://www.relfe.com/history_2.html

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[Guest guest]

You might want to look at increasing vitamin D and K (if you haven't already

done so).. also dissolvable b6 in the mouth is shown more effective than

fluoride.. I also have my kids chew on acidophilus to keep more good

bacteria in the mouth.

Weston Price has some interesting information on tooth decay (fat soluble

vitamins).. if you aren't casein free try some vitamin butter oil and

increase butter as well (grassfed, organic and raw being the best).

Baking soda works well for general cleaning, but its my opinion that it's

the lack of vitamins/minerals and a flora imbalance in the mouth that leads

to most tooth decay. We use 's tooth powder back and forth with

bakingsoda/sea salt for brushing teeth around here.

From: [mailto: ]

On Behalf Of April

Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2010 12:25 PM

Subject: [ ] Flouride

My NT son is prone to cavities. He's 7 years old and already has 4 fillings

(well... 3 now since one fell out) and 5 cavities. I've been hearing so much

about how toxic flouride is that I want to switch to something but hopefully

something that is equally effective at fighting cavities. How effective is

baking soda?

Thanks, April

[Guest guest]

Try Xylitol toothpaste, Xylitol is documented to fight cavities. Also make

certain there is Vanadium in his multi.

[ ] Flouride

My NT son is prone to cavities. He's 7 years old and already has 4 fillings

(well... 3 now since one fell out) and 5 cavities. I've been hearing so much

about how toxic flouride is that I want to switch to something but hopefully

something that is equally effective at fighting cavities. How effective is

baking soda?

Thanks, April

[Guest guest]

Cut out sugar and refined carbs completely. Brush teeth after _any_

food. Stop using any hydrogen peroxide or bleach. The cavities will not

only stop forming but the small ones will recalcify.

April wrote:

>

> My NT son is prone to cavities. He's 7 years old and already has 4

> fillings (well... 3 now since one fell out) and 5 cavities. I've been

> hearing so much about how toxic flouride is that I want to switch to

> something but hopefully something that is equally effective at

> fighting cavities. How effective is baking soda?

>

> Thanks, April

>

>

[Guest guest]

When you say cut out sugar does that include fruit?

http://aydansrecovery.blogspot.com/2009_08_01_archive.html

>

> My NT son is prone to cavities. He's 7 years old and already has 4

> fillings (well... 3 now since one fell out) and 5 cavities. I've been

> hearing so much about how toxic flouride is that I want to switch to

> something but hopefully something that is equally effective at

> fighting cavities. How effective is baking soda?

>

> Thanks, April

>

>

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[Guest guest]

We were told by a very very good ASD MD/neurologist so use Virgin Olive Oil to

brush teeth.

Well, we have been doing it for 8 months with our 4y10m old ASD son (who has

zero sucrose or starch), and also with our 3y3m NT son (who manages to eat all

of the things we do not want him to eat...courtesy of grandma...)...

And, both boys have perfectly healthy gums, teeth and oral tissues.

It took them a few days to get used to brushing with a foodstuff as opposed to

something minty.

Juts my 0,02 worth

ps: xylitol ... i chew xylitol gum and it is really good

julian

[Guest guest]

Yes, vitamins D and K, especially vitamin K2 (a.k.a. menatetrenone or

menaquinone-4 or the Price factor or the X factor), which helps remineralize

tooth decay...

justin

>

> You might want to look at increasing vitamin D and K (if you haven't already

> done so).. also dissolvable b6 in the mouth is shown more effective than

> fluoride.. I also have my kids chew on acidophilus to keep more good

> bacteria in the mouth.

>

>

[Guest guest]

I hear some kids are very sensitive to Vitamin K.  Is there a supplement you

recommend?  Food sources?

Thanks, April

http://aydansrecovery.blogspot.com/2009_08_01_archive.html

From: jfr219 <jfr219@...>

Subject: [ ] Re: Flouride

Date: Monday, February 22, 2010, 1:20 PM

 

Yes, vitamins D and K, especially vitamin K2 (a.k.a. menatetrenone or

menaquinone- 4 or the Price factor or the X factor), which helps remineralize

tooth decay...

justin

>

> You might want to look at increasing vitamin D and K (if you haven't already

> done so).. also dissolvable b6 in the mouth is shown more effective than

> fluoride.. I also have my kids chew on acidophilus to keep more good

> bacteria in the mouth.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Oh, that reminds me of something I heard from a conference.  One of the

doctor's recommended olive oil rinses to remove the toxins from the mouth.  He

said it's very important not to swallow as it is very toxic. 

I'll try that myself because I have gum problems (no cavities) just gum issues.

http://aydansrecovery.blogspot.com/2009_08_01_archive.html

From: greenrazorsharp <greenrazorsharp@...>

Subject: [ ] Re: Flouride

Date: Monday, February 22, 2010, 1:08 PM

 

We were told by a very very good ASD MD/neurologist so use Virgin Olive

Oil to brush teeth.

Well, we have been doing it for 8 months with our 4y10m old ASD son (who has

zero sucrose or starch), and also with our 3y3m NT son (who manages to eat all

of the things we do not want him to eat...courtesy of grandma...). ..

And, both boys have perfectly healthy gums, teeth and oral tissues.

It took them a few days to get used to brushing with a foodstuff as opposed to

something minty.

Juts my 0,02 worth

ps: xylitol ... i chew xylitol gum and it is really good

julian

[Guest guest]

Is there a test to see if you are high in flouride? Does AC protocol remove

flouride?

Thanks, April