Re: An alternative to flagyl for gut bacteria? Probiotics? Help! LONG

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My son had terrible problems with Yeast and Clostridia and we were on Rx almost

permanently and my biggest nightmare was that what happens when the gutbugs

become immune to the Rxs. We have then tackled the whole gut on a war footing

with a plan that has slowly been evolving and adjusting based on how my son has

been responding.

We have managed to keep both Yeast and Clostridia at bay and are now off all Rx

antifungals and bacterials(Ketoconozole, nystatin, flagyl etc)and on maintenance

with a rotation of natural antifungals, capsule probiotics and natural

probiotics with a strict low complex carb diet, with very very occasional

weekend pulsing of Rx. The whole process of managing the gut has to be done with

a long term point of view-

There are several factors to be taken into account.

1)If you are having a yeast or clostridia flare -

then ideally you have to take Rx to tackle the problem quickly-

but you will see a die off so that is something you have to be prepared for.

When you are doing Rx managing diet and probiotics is not so important initially

- but when you have to plan to get off Rx both diet and probiotics are very very

important

2)You have to keep both Yeast and bacteria in mind and treat both simultaneously

otherwise one will happily replace the other.

3)Before going off Rx you have to switch to a diet that does not feed these

organisms. This is different for each child, but essentially very low in complex

carbohydrates, no sugar - high veggies and proteins. a bit of fruit - this is

what suited my son. luckily he tolerates casein so we do tons of yoghurt but

iguess you can do yoghurt with nondairy milk too

4)Kefir is a wonderful source of natural probiotics but if your child doesnt

tolerate dairy - you can use capsule probiotics to ferment the coconut water.

(beware in the cold it can take 3-6 days)Both yoghurt and fermented coconut

water are a fantastic source of natural probiotics. If they are fermented

properly they are much stronger probiotics than the capsule probiotics. if your

capsule contains billions of bacteria, the kefir will contain trillions. We try

and ensure at least 300 ml of fermented coconut water and 400ml of yoghurt is

taken taken daily by my son

5)With diet in place along with substantial probiotic supplementation(natural

and capsule) remove one Rx at a time. We removed flagyl first.

6)Watch for resurgence.- We pulsed flagyl for a weekend after three weeks of gap

and watched for die offs.

7)We switched to Nystatin from Ketoconozole after we were sure that clostridia

was under control and started to plan for yeast rx removal

8)We have then switched to a rotation of naturals from nystatin and are now

doing crushed raw garlic 3 days then saccharomyces boulardi 3 days and then 3

days of yeast aid and then back to SB for three days.

This seems to be working for my son.

We are not doing GSE because that kills probiotics as well so since our whole

plan centers around managing to populate the gut with probiotics and not feeding

the bad guys-it doesnt make sense for us to give something that kills both the

good guys and the bad guys.

9)Probiotics for this maintenance program are:SuperProbiogold, Culturelle, and

threelac(when we do the three days of naturals)

10)other factors to be taken into account-

a)HBOT stimulates yeast so when doing dives my DS has to be on strongest Rx for

Yeast

b)Antibiotics would kill the probiotic balance so we have to do extra

supplementation and Rx after antibiotics.

Luckily we have found Ganoderma/ reishi tincture which seems to have boosted my

sons immunity to both viral and other non gut infections so we have not needed

antibiotics for about 6 months since starting the medicinal mushrooms

c)HBOT kills bad bacteria so no need for flagyl during Hbot

This whole process has taken a year and we are able to bounce back from diet

infractions pretty fast because i think my sons gut is now healing a bit....

Hope this helps

Harshita

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> > After using Difflucan for yeast, my daughter seems to get very stimmy.

Biomed doctor gave us Flagyl to give her after using the Difflucan. Worked like

a miracle. Almost no stims, listening better, talking better, totally calmer,

the best she's ever been for about 3 months. But after the Holidays symptoms

came back. Thinking yeast again. So we start Difflucan. We have about a week

left of 21 day Rx. She is very stimmy again. Very grumpy or giggly silly most of

the time, dark circles under her eyes, & did I mention the tantrums? I'm

thinking bad bacteria, but I'm afraid of using the Flagyl because the last time

she was on it she was very tired, lying around, she seemed so drained and

sickly, (which is totally not like her, even when she is sick) for about 2

weeks. I was wondering what I could use that wouldn't make her so sick this

time. Something more natural. We've tried probiotics before, Culterelle, Probio

gold, Three lac, all of those gave us NO improvements, even when we had them

shipped cold & kept in the fridge. Keefer does seem to help her, but I have only

seen the kind with dairy & she is alergic to dairy. It gives her eczema. She is

on the GF/CF/Yeast free/soy free/ egg free diet as well, due to food intolerance

testing done by DAN Dr. She needs something soon because she isn't sleeping

well, and is looking very run down even though she is very hyper most of the

day. So any help would be appreciated. Thanks so much.

> > Cristy

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