Single Dose Chelation Challenge test?

[Guest guest]

Hi all,

We have been doing Biomedical interventions for DS for about 2 years and have

recently discussed doing chelation for my 4.5 yr old son. DS's has metals

slightly out of range (done by blood test) of Mercury, Lead and arsenic. But the

test was done about a year after we believe he was exposed so it might be higher

in tissues.

My DAN Dr who is a well respected Dr. and who we have seen good results with,

wants to do a challenge test with a single dose of 2 different kinds of

chelators (suppositories, b/c DS is too yeasty for oral) done separately over 2

different weekends (with a few weeks in between), with urine testing before and

after to see if he's pulling metals and which he responds better to. He is very

cautious in general about dosing supps and meds, and about chelation and does

not recommend it for all his patients and definitely does not do it in the

beginning of treatment until all other interventions have been tried first. The

doses are as follows:

CaNa2 EDTA - 1000mg suppository.

For the DMPS - 200mg suppository.

I know there is a lot of controversy over challenge tests, and Dan dosing for

chelation as opposed AC Protocol, but this dose does not seem too high to me or

too extreme to be checking if my child has a metal issue or to see which

chelator he responds to better.

I don't know much about chelation as my child is a Yeast/Viral/Under-methylator

kid that we have seen progress with treating those issues - but we are nowhere

near recovery and the older he gets the more worried we are that we might not be

getting at the root cause.

My previous DAN got very upset when I mentioned AC protocol and I'm wary about

bringing it up with this one. Has anyone had a bad experience with this type of

challenge test? Is everyone on this board doing AC chelation? Any advice would

be greatly appreciated!

Thanks!

[Guest guest]

Do not put your child in harms way with a challenge test. Those are actually

really high doses for a large adult, not sure why anyone would do such a large

dosage on a child. What is a challenge test going to show or prove other than

possibly regressing your child and doing dage that cannot be fixed.

EDTA should be avoided. ALA is the workhorse chelator and if your child has

lead you use dmsa dosed every 3 hours during the day every 4 hours at night

during your sleep schedule not the Childs, you chelate for 72 hours straight,

than rest for at least the same period.

Use the DAN! For what they are good for, writing prescriptions for antifungals,

antibacterials, anti vitals and leave there dangerous protocol alone.

Also suppositories do not reduce yeast, just makes it awkward uncomfortable for

your child every time you give a chelator.

What's your famous DAN!'s name?

>

> Hi all,

>

> We have been doing Biomedical interventions for DS for about 2 years and have

recently discussed doing chelation for my 4.5 yr old son. DS's has metals

slightly out of range (done by blood test) of Mercury, Lead and arsenic. But the

test was done about a year after we believe he was exposed so it might be higher

in tissues.

> My DAN Dr who is a well respected Dr. and who we have seen good results with,

wants to do a challenge test with a single dose of 2 different kinds of

chelators (suppositories, b/c DS is too yeasty for oral) done separately over 2

different weekends (with a few weeks in between), with urine testing before and

after to see if he's pulling metals and which he responds better to. He is very

cautious in general about dosing supps and meds, and about chelation and does

not recommend it for all his patients and definitely does not do it in the

beginning of treatment until all other interventions have been tried first. The

doses are as follows:

>

> CaNa2 EDTA - 1000mg suppository.

> For the DMPS - 200mg suppository.

>

> I know there is a lot of controversy over challenge tests, and Dan dosing for

chelation as opposed AC Protocol, but this dose does not seem too high to me or

too extreme to be checking if my child has a metal issue or to see which

chelator he responds to better.

> I don't know much about chelation as my child is a

Yeast/Viral/Under-methylator kid that we have seen progress with treating those

issues - but we are nowhere near recovery and the older he gets the more worried

we are that we might not be getting at the root cause.

> My previous DAN got very upset when I mentioned AC protocol and I'm wary about

bringing it up with this one. Has anyone had a bad experience with this type of

challenge test? Is everyone on this board doing AC chelation? Any advice would

be greatly appreciated!

> Thanks!

>

[Guest guest]

This board is about AC Chelation.

On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 5:08 PM, Shiri <shiriw@...> wrote:

>

>

> Hi all,

>

> We have been doing Biomedical interventions for DS for about 2 years and

> have recently discussed doing chelation for my 4.5 yr old son. DS's has

> metals slightly out of range (done by blood test) of Mercury, Lead and

> arsenic. But the test was done about a year after we believe he was exposed

> so it might be higher in tissues.

> My DAN Dr who is a well respected Dr. and who we have seen good results

> with, wants to do a challenge test with a single dose of 2 different kinds

> of chelators (suppositories, b/c DS is too yeasty for oral) done separately

> over 2 different weekends (with a few weeks in between), with urine testing

> before and after to see if he's pulling metals and which he responds better

> to. He is very cautious in general about dosing supps and meds, and about

> chelation and does not recommend it for all his patients and definitely does

> not do it in the beginning of treatment until all other interventions have

> been tried first. The doses are as follows:

>

> CaNa2 EDTA - 1000mg suppository.

> For the DMPS - 200mg suppository.

>

> I know there is a lot of controversy over challenge tests, and Dan dosing

> for chelation as opposed AC Protocol, but this dose does not seem too high

> to me or too extreme to be checking if my child has a metal issue or to see

> which chelator he responds to better.

> I don't know much about chelation as my child is a

> Yeast/Viral/Under-methylator kid that we have seen progress with treating

> those issues - but we are nowhere near recovery and the older he gets the

> more worried we are that we might not be getting at the root cause.

> My previous DAN got very upset when I mentioned AC protocol and I'm wary

> about bringing it up with this one. Has anyone had a bad experience with

> this type of challenge test? Is everyone on this board doing AC chelation?

> Any advice would be greatly appreciated!

> Thanks!

>

>

>

--

Zurama

Mickie 13yrs

Round #35

15mg DMSA 15mg ALA

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi all,

>

> We have been doing Biomedical interventions for DS for about 2 years and have

recently discussed doing chelation for my 4.5 yr old son. DS's has metals

slightly out of range (done by blood test) of Mercury, Lead and arsenic. But the

test was done about a year after we believe he was exposed so it might be higher

in tissues.

>

Blood tests are basically irrelevant and a poor diagnostic measure. Hair test

with counting rules is much better.

> My DAN Dr who is a well respected Dr. and who we have seen good results with,

wants to do a challenge test with a single dose of 2 different kinds of

chelators (suppositories, b/c DS is too yeasty for oral) done separately over 2

different weekends (with a few weeks in between), with urine testing before and

after to see if he's pulling metals and which he responds better to. He is very

cautious in general about dosing supps and meds, and about chelation and does

not recommend it for all his patients and definitely does not do it in the

beginning of treatment until all other interventions have been tried first. The

doses are as follows:

>

Suppositories do not cause any less yeast than oral, that is simply not true.

> CaNa2 EDTA - 1000mg suppository.

> For the DMPS - 200mg suppository.

>

That is very very dangerous and I highly suggest you do not do this. EDTA has no

use and is harmful for people with mercury. Chelators MUST be given on the half

life and in low doses. These are not low doses at all.

> I know there is a lot of controversy over challenge tests, and Dan dosing for

chelation as opposed AC Protocol, but this dose does not seem too high to me or

too extreme to be checking if my child has a metal issue or to see which

chelator he responds to better.

It is too high regardless of how it seems. If you do follow this protocol there

is essentially no chance your kid gets better and a very good chance he gets

substantially worse.

> I don't know much about chelation as my child is a

Yeast/Viral/Under-methylator kid that we have seen progress with treating those

issues - but we are nowhere near recovery and the older he gets the more worried

we are that we might not be getting at the root cause.

> My previous DAN got very upset when I mentioned AC protocol and I'm wary about

bringing it up with this one. Has anyone had a bad experience with this type of

challenge test? Is everyone on this board doing AC chelation? Any advice would

be greatly appreciated!

> Thanks!

>

[Guest guest]

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Single Dose Chelation Challenge test?

Posted by: " Shiri " shiriw@... shiriweizman

Wed Oct 20, 2010 5:14 pm (PDT)

Hi all,

We have been doing Biomedical interventions for DS for about 2 years and have

recently discussed doing chelation for my 4.5 yr old son. DS's has metals

slightly out of range (done by blood test) of Mercury, Lead and arsenic. But the

test was done about a year after we believe he was exposed so it might be higher

in tissues.

*Blood tests are essentially useless for metals except current lead exposure.

My DAN Dr who is a well respected Dr. and who we have seen good results with,

wants to do a challenge test with a single dose of 2 different kinds of

chelators (suppositories, b/c DS is too yeasty for oral) done separately over 2

different weekends (with a few weeks in between), with urine testing before and

after to see if he's pulling metals and which he responds better to.

*Doesn't matter if he's respected, needs to know his science.

He is very cautious in general about dosing supps and meds, and about chelation

and does not recommend it for all his patients and definitely does not do it in

the beginning of treatment until all other interventions have been tried first.

The doses are as follows:

CaNa2 EDTA - 1000mg suppository.

For the DMPS - 200mg suppository.

EDTA is contraindicated for mercury toxic folks despite it's old uses. This

DMPS dose is way too high. Single dose challenges are dangerous and not

particularly informative. Don't do it.

I know there is a lot of controversy over challenge tests, and Dan dosing for

chelation as opposed AC Protocol, but this dose does not seem too high to me or

too extreme to be checking if my child has a metal issue or to see which

chelator he responds to better.

*Do a DDI hair elements test and apply counting rules so that you get useful

info without harming your child.

I don't know much about chelation as my child is a Yeast/Viral/Under-methylator

kid that we have seen progress with treating those issues - but we are nowhere

near recovery and the older he gets the more worried we are that we might not be

getting at the root cause.

My previous DAN got very upset when I mentioned AC protocol

*Because people can and do do AC protocol on their own and that doc didn't want

you to stop paying him.

and I'm wary about bringing it up with this one. Has anyone had a bad experience

with this type of challenge test?

*Yes

Is everyone on this board doing AC chelation? Any advice would be greatly

appreciated!

*Do a DDI hair elements test and apply counting rules. Refuse challenge tests.

Thanks!

[Guest guest]

The best thing to do is not to bring it up. Take control of your child's

health and tell this doc to do the tests you want and the supps or

prescriptions you need. As a mother who did many forms of chelation with my

child over the years, I do believe the AC Protocol is the way to go. My son

did not stim at all by the time we started chelation, and since beginning

chelation, the stimming has just gotten worse and worse. My son had

reactions to IV chelation both using DMPS and just using EDTA. I would

NEVER do that again. With the IV he seemed to get better, more with it, but

then the stimming would get worse and then I think what we see is just that

metals have been moved around and redeposited elsewhere.

When I mentioned the AC to our DAN, he also didn't like the idea --most

probably because that meant less in his pocket, so he didn't like the idea.

I wish, If i had anything to do over, I had done the AC Protocol with my son

when he was young. I had a wonderful DO at the time who was willing to

confer with Dr. Cutler. But we were scared and didn't do it at that time.

Now this wonderful doctor has retired. We are trying to get my son's yeast

under control --a very hard thing to do when he suffers repeat infections

and has to be put on antibiotics often. It has been like a vicious cycle

with the yeast.

We have been where you are now, and we wish we had gone with the AC Protocol

then. Once we get the yeast under control and we finish re-reading Andy's

book (and get ready for the waking every three hours over the weekend) we

will start this.

In the end, this is your child and you have to decide what is in his best

interest. Most parents here, however, are against challenge tests and

different forms of chelation. After seeing the reaction in my child, I have

concluded these other forms of chelation are dangerous and detrimental to

our children.

Like with so many other things in life, there is no quick, easy fix. Slow

and steady wins the race, I think.

[Guest guest]

Really bad idea. You are playing Russian roulette with your child's brain and

internal organs.

TJ

________________________________

From: Shiri <shiriw@...>

Sent: Wed, October 20, 2010 7:08:29 PM

Subject: [ ] Single Dose Chelation Challenge test?

 

Hi all,

We have been doing Biomedical interventions for DS for about 2 years and have

recently discussed doing chelation for my 4.5 yr old son. DS's has metals

slightly out of range (done by blood test) of Mercury, Lead and arsenic. But the

test was done about a year after we believe he was exposed so it might be higher

in tissues.

My DAN Dr who is a well respected Dr. and who we have seen good results with,

wants to do a challenge test with a single dose of 2 different kinds of

chelators (suppositories, b/c DS is too yeasty for oral) done separately over 2

different weekends (with a few weeks in between), with urine testing before and

after to see if he's pulling metals and which he responds better to. He is very

cautious in general about dosing supps and meds, and about chelation and does

not recommend it for all his patients and definitely does not do it in the

beginning of treatment until all other interventions have been tried first. The

doses are as follows:

CaNa2 EDTA - 1000mg suppository.

For the DMPS - 200mg suppository.

I know there is a lot of controversy over challenge tests, and Dan dosing for

chelation as opposed AC Protocol, but this dose does not seem too high to me or

too extreme to be checking if my child has a metal issue or to see which

chelator he responds to better.

I don't know much about chelation as my child is a Yeast/Viral/Under-methylator

kid that we have seen progress with treating those issues - but we are nowhere

near recovery and the older he gets the more worried we are that we might not be

getting at the root cause.

My previous DAN got very upset when I mentioned AC protocol and I'm wary about

bringing it up with this one. Has anyone had a bad experience with this type of

challenge test? Is everyone on this board doing AC chelation? Any advice would

be greatly appreciated!

Thanks!

[Guest guest]

Thanks for all of your responses! I will definitely not do the challenge test. I

made an appointment to discuss doing AC Protocol with my DAN next week.

Thanks again!

Shiri

>

> Really bad idea. You are playing Russian roulette with your child's brain and

> internal organs.

> TJ

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: Shiri <shiriw@...>

>

> Sent: Wed, October 20, 2010 7:08:29 PM

> Subject: [ ] Single Dose Chelation Challenge test?

>

>  

> Hi all,

>

> We have been doing Biomedical interventions for DS for about 2 years and have

> recently discussed doing chelation for my 4.5 yr old son. DS's has metals

> slightly out of range (done by blood test) of Mercury, Lead and arsenic. But

the

> test was done about a year after we believe he was exposed so it might be

higher

> in tissues.

> My DAN Dr who is a well respected Dr. and who we have seen good results with,

> wants to do a challenge test with a single dose of 2 different kinds of

> chelators (suppositories, b/c DS is too yeasty for oral) done separately over

2

> different weekends (with a few weeks in between), with urine testing before

and

> after to see if he's pulling metals and which he responds better to. He is

very

> cautious in general about dosing supps and meds, and about chelation and does

> not recommend it for all his patients and definitely does not do it in the

> beginning of treatment until all other interventions have been tried first.

The

> doses are as follows:

>

> CaNa2 EDTA - 1000mg suppository.

> For the DMPS - 200mg suppository.

>

> I know there is a lot of controversy over challenge tests, and Dan dosing for

> chelation as opposed AC Protocol, but this dose does not seem too high to me

or

> too extreme to be checking if my child has a metal issue or to see which

> chelator he responds to better.

> I don't know much about chelation as my child is a

Yeast/Viral/Under-methylator

> kid that we have seen progress with treating those issues - but we are nowhere

> near recovery and the older he gets the more worried we are that we might not

be

> getting at the root cause.

>

> My previous DAN got very upset when I mentioned AC protocol and I'm wary about

> bringing it up with this one. Has anyone had a bad experience with this type

of

> challenge test? Is everyone on this board doing AC chelation? Any advice would

> be greatly appreciated!

> Thanks!

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

You do know you don't need him for this protocol?

Zurama

On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 7:14 AM, Shiri <shiriw@...> wrote:

>

>

> Thanks for all of your responses! I will definitely not do the challenge

> test. I made an appointment to discuss doing AC Protocol with my DAN next

> week.

> Thanks again!

> Shiri

>

>

> >

> > Really bad idea. You are playing Russian roulette with your child's brain

> and

> > internal organs.

> > TJ

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ________________________________

> > From: Shiri <shiriw@...>

>

> > < %40>

> > Sent: Wed, October 20, 2010 7:08:29 PM

> > Subject: [ ] Single Dose Chelation Challenge test?

> >

> > Â

> > Hi all,

> >

> > We have been doing Biomedical interventions for DS for about 2 years and

> have

> > recently discussed doing chelation for my 4.5 yr old son. DS's has metals

>

> > slightly out of range (done by blood test) of Mercury, Lead and arsenic.

> But the

> > test was done about a year after we believe he was exposed so it might be

> higher

> > in tissues.

> > My DAN Dr who is a well respected Dr. and who we have seen good results

> with,

> > wants to do a challenge test with a single dose of 2 different kinds of

> > chelators (suppositories, b/c DS is too yeasty for oral) done separately

> over 2

> > different weekends (with a few weeks in between), with urine testing

> before and

> > after to see if he's pulling metals and which he responds better to. He

> is very

> > cautious in general about dosing supps and meds, and about chelation and

> does

> > not recommend it for all his patients and definitely does not do it in

> the

> > beginning of treatment until all other interventions have been tried

> first. The

> > doses are as follows:

> >

> > CaNa2 EDTA - 1000mg suppository.

> > For the DMPS - 200mg suppository.

> >

> > I know there is a lot of controversy over challenge tests, and Dan dosing

> for

> > chelation as opposed AC Protocol, but this dose does not seem too high to

> me or

> > too extreme to be checking if my child has a metal issue or to see which

> > chelator he responds to better.

> > I don't know much about chelation as my child is a

> Yeast/Viral/Under-methylator

> > kid that we have seen progress with treating those issues - but we are

> nowhere

> > near recovery and the older he gets the more worried we are that we might

> not be

> > getting at the root cause.

> >

> > My previous DAN got very upset when I mentioned AC protocol and I'm wary

> about

> > bringing it up with this one. Has anyone had a bad experience with this

> type of

> > challenge test? Is everyone on this board doing AC chelation? Any advice

> would

> > be greatly appreciated!

> > Thanks!

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >