Re: Hair Elements Test re Bryce C

[Guest guest]

Hi

This test does not meet any counting rules but with only 7 elements moving to

the right along with high aluminium and antimony and low mercury there may still

well be a possibility of mercury toxicity.

Negligible Lithium also seems to be not uncommon in Mercury toxicity, giving low

doses of lithium as a supplement might help.

This test also suggests slow adrenals of which ACE and or red meat and maybe

Tyrosine might help.

If at some stage you were to have some blood tests it would be worth considering

a Thyroid test in which TSH, freeT3 and freeT4 are included and trying to insist

on an age appropriate ref. range (seldom given I'm afraid) as one of the markers

in this test suggest that there may be a possible problem here.

Cheers

Kenny

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> I tend to read a lot more than I post but I am learning, learning, learning.

Thank you to all that are regular posters. You are helping a lot of people gain

the knowledge they need for this fight.

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> I know have the results of my son's DDI elements test and I would really

appreciate any input on the results. He is 5 yrs old, DX PDD-NOS.

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> Thank you!

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> C.

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[Guest guest]

So, here is what i think. If one can still be mercury toxic without the counting

rules met, then what is the point of doing the hair test. Is the hair test just

another scam. I mean has anyone ever thought about it. As a parent of a child

with ASD, i think we are very vulnerable to fall for cure scenarios that may or

may not work for everychild.

Rochelle

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> > I tend to read a lot more than I post but I am learning, learning, learning.

Thank you to all that are regular posters. You are helping a lot of people gain

the knowledge they need for this fight.

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> > I know have the results of my son's DDI elements test and I would really

appreciate any input on the results. He is 5 yrs old, DX PDD-NOS.

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> > Thank you!

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> > C.

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[Guest guest]

A Hair test IMO is fairly cheap and unobtrusive,

but like any test it is not fool proof. It is a good and probably better test

than any other if metals are suspected.

The counting rules are a statistical tool used to help determine the likelihood

of mercury toxicity, i.e. 4 essentials and other elements in the Red Zones

indicate around 97% chance that Mercury deranged the elements so that 4 fell in

the Red and about 3% chance that this just occurred, other counting rules have

higher probabilities of mercury toxicity, so in theory it may be possible to

meet the counting rules and not be toxic.

This may well be the case for a very small amount of people.

The hair test that I interpreted IMO for the reasons given suggests a

possibility even a probability of mercury poisoning even though counting rules

were not met, the counting rules would have helped to very likely confirm

mercury, not meeting the counting rules does not confirm that mercury is not a

problem much also depends on what's going on in the person concerned.

If someone who is healthy does not meet the counting rules on a hair test then

even if some other pointers might suggest a problem then the need to chelate

would not be so obvious or even recommended.

TJ is right you don't need a hair test to chelate, a 10 round trial is worth

considering if metals are suspected, but for the money and lack of trauma many

of us are happy to have a hair test, the test can also suggest other problems

long before they get so bad that they fail a blood test and become much more

difficult to treat, in this way a hair test is also a good screening test.

I have no involvement whatsoever with Doctors Data and as a parent of a child

with ASD I have always been on the forking out cash side of the money equation

in trying to help my son.

In short if you don't want a hair test, then DON'T get one no one is forcing

you.

Kenny

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> > > I tend to read a lot more than I post but I am learning, learning,

learning. Thank you to all that are regular posters. You are helping a lot of

people gain the knowledge they need for this fight.

> > >

> > > I know have the results of my son's DDI elements test and I would really

appreciate any input on the results. He is 5 yrs old, DX PDD-NOS.

> > >

> > > Thank you!

> > >

> > > C.

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[Guest guest]

Thank you to those that posted suggestions.

My son turned 5 on June 6th, diagnosed PDD-NOS in late March 2010. I began GF

(CF later in May) diet right before the official diagnosis, basic supplements

(Everyday Multi w/o A & D, CLO, Colostrum, Enzymes, Pro-Bio Gold) and Epsom Salt

baths.

Started ABA therapy on April 30th (3 hrs a week) but due to his current skills,

they are still in the analysis phase. Speech therapy started but due to him

being completely uncooperative, we are taking a break from that for now and will

re-assess later.

At the beginning of 2010 he was barely speaking in 2-3 word sentences and not

social and not very engaged.

He is now speaking on a more regular basis, seeking out and playing w/ his 1 yr

old sister, etc.

I have a 7/15 appointment with a DAN! doctor and I was hoping to get the hair

test to put in my stack of information for the doctor so that perhaps I can

speed the process ever so slightly (I know recover doesn't happen overnight). I

wanted to provide the doctor a jumping off point so we can get a Thyroid test

(Kenny, I have a family history of thyroid issues so that will definitely be

checked), blood test, OATs test, etc. and determine the best next move. I have

prepared him a list of my educational resources (includeing web sites, books,

webinars that I have read/viewed) so that he can skip the " biomedical treatment

for Autism is... " speech and get to the tesing and treatment.

I am hestitant to start any other supplementation or treatment at this stage

because I don't want it to affect the baseline testing that the doctor will due

but I am interested in chelation, Methyl B12, Glutathione, etc.

Thanks again for the helpful advice. I am a daily reader of the group and have

learned quite a bit here!

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> > So, here is what i think. If one can still be mercury toxic without the

counting rules met, then what is the point of doing the hair test. Is the hair

test just another scam. I mean has anyone ever thought about it. As a parent of

a child with ASD, i think we are very vulnerable to fall for cure scenarios that

may or may not work

for everychild.

> > Rochelle

[Guest guest]

TJ/Kenny,

It was not my intention to be offensive. I was just thinking about it and wanted

to see what others had to say about my thoughts.

I very well know that none of you guys benefit anything from it. You guys are a

wealth of knowledge. I already ordered my hair test and will start my child on

chelation. Its not the money. Its just the thought that there are some people in

this world that would try and take advantage of parents who are already in an

undesirable situation.

On a different note. I found out that ALA actually is not a chelator in itself.

It is a powerfull antioxidant that helps the production of Glutathione and

glutathione is the one that acts as a detoxification agent. Supplementing with

glutathione will not help because it does penetrate the cell walls or something

like that. Supplementing with ALA helps because it helps in the production of

glutathione from within the cells. So supplementing with ALA might produce

results such as better social skills which has a butterfly effect producing more

speech. This is because speech and everything else kids learn is by observing

other people. If the observation is not present the learning will not happen.

Glutathione is well known for increasing socialization. ALA produces Glutathione

and Glutathione in turn causes all the above stated good stuff.

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> > > > I tend to read a lot more than I post but I am learning, learning,

learning. Thank you to all that are regular posters. You are helping a lot of

people gain the knowledge they need for this fight.

> > > >

> > > > I know have the results of my son's DDI elements test and I would really

appreciate any input on the results. He is 5 yrs old, DX PDD-NOS.

> > > >

> > > > Thank you!

> > > >

> > > > C.

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[Guest guest]

The fact that ALA is an antioxidant doesnt mean its not also a chelator. It is

BOTH.

Karla

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> > > > > I tend to read a lot more than I post but I am learning, learning,

learning. Thank you to all that are regular posters. You are helping a lot of

people gain the knowledge they need for this fight.

> > > > >

> > > > > I know have the results of my son's DDI elements test and I would

really appreciate any input on the results. He is 5 yrs old, DX PDD-NOS.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thank you!

> > > > >

> > > > > C.

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