Re: Call from Kirkman Labs about DMSA/Succinic Acid

[Guest guest]

This is terrible!!! I only have 1 bottle...let's stack on ALA, one can guess

that it might be their next move.... They are definitely cutting down options on

supplements, I have read this has been discussed by congress-several times- and

bills come and go trying to restrict our access to supps. This is scary.

Isa

Enviado desde mi oficina móvil BlackBerry® de Telcel

[ ] Call from Kirkman Labs about DMSA/Succinic Acid

Hi all,

Perhaps this is old news, but today I got a call from Kirkman Labs, telling me

they are no longer allowed to sell succinic acid without a prescription due to

recent FDA rulings. Effective immediately, she says.

First, could we buy DMSA from Kirkman without a scrip?

Second, does this affect VRP.COM?

Thanks,

Pam

[Guest guest]

Holly crap!!!! This is awful!! I'm definitely stocking up asp!!!

Zurama

On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 8:20 PM, <isaguzmandiaz2@...> wrote:

> This is terrible!!! I only have 1 bottle...let's stack on ALA, one can

> guess that it might be their next move.... They are definitely cutting down

> options on supplements, I have read this has been discussed by

> congress-several times- and bills come and go trying to restrict our access

> to supps. This is scary.

> Isa

> Enviado desde mi oficina móvil BlackBerry® de Telcel

>

> [ ] Call from Kirkman Labs about DMSA/Succinic Acid

>

> Hi all,

>

> Perhaps this is old news, but today I got a call from Kirkman Labs, telling

> me they are no longer allowed to sell succinic acid without a prescription

> due to recent FDA rulings. Effective immediately, she says.

>

> First, could we buy DMSA from Kirkman without a scrip?

>

> Second, does this affect VRP.COM?

>

> Thanks,

>

> Pam

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I ordered some from VRP today, got 30% off from a coupon they advertised on

site.

ALA is not likely going anywhere as it is found naturally occurring in foods so

the FDA allows it to be labeled a dietary supplement.

Also ALA and DMSA wil always be available from overseas or a neighboring

country.

Funny Kirkman caves to the FDA quickly but won't pay for testing or good

ingredients so te vitamins don't contain antimony.

>

> Hi all,

>

> Perhaps this is old news, but today I got a call from Kirkman Labs, telling me

they are no longer allowed to sell succinic acid without a prescription due to

recent FDA rulings. Effective immediately, she says.

>

> First, could we buy DMSA from Kirkman without a scrip?

>

> Second, does this affect VRP.COM?

>

> Thanks,

>

> Pam

>

[Guest guest]

Kirkman might fall under a different category than VRP.com and thus have to

comply with the ruling. I don't know at this point. I'm going to contact

vrp.com to ask.

pam

>

> This is terrible!!! I only have 1 bottle...let's stack on ALA, one can guess

that it might be their next move.... They are definitely cutting down options on

supplements, I have read this has been discussed by congress-several times- and

bills come and go trying to restrict our access to supps. This is scary.

> Isa

> Enviado desde mi oficina móvil BlackBerry® de Telcel

>

> [ ] Call from Kirkman Labs about DMSA/Succinic Acid

>

> Hi all,

>

> Perhaps this is old news, but today I got a call from Kirkman Labs, telling me

they are no longer allowed to sell succinic acid without a prescription due to

recent FDA rulings. Effective immediately, she says.

>

> First, could we buy DMSA from Kirkman without a scrip?

>

> Second, does this affect VRP.COM?

>

> Thanks,

>

> Pam

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Why bring it to their attention?

> >

> > This is terrible!!! I only have 1 bottle...let's stack on ALA, one can guess

that it might be their next move.... They are definitely cutting down options on

supplements, I have read this has been discussed by congress-several times- and

bills come and go trying to restrict our access to supps. This is scary.

> > Isa

> > Enviado desde mi oficina móvil BlackBerry® de Telcel

> >

> > [ ] Call from Kirkman Labs about DMSA/Succinic Acid

> >

> > Hi all,

> >

> > Perhaps this is old news, but today I got a call from Kirkman Labs, telling

me they are no longer allowed to sell succinic acid without a prescription due

to recent FDA rulings. Effective immediately, she says.

> >

> > First, could we buy DMSA from Kirkman without a scrip?

> >

> > Second, does this affect VRP.COM?

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> > Pam

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

TJ I disagree as the FDA recently cracked down on chelation products marketed at

autism. I have no doubt the FDA will target DMSA.

> > >

> > > This is terrible!!! I only have 1 bottle...let's stack on ALA, one can

guess

> >that it might be their next move.... They are definitely cutting down options

on

> >supplements, I have read this has been discussed by congress-several times-

and

> >bills come and go trying to restrict our access to supps. This is scary.

> > > Isa

> > > Enviado desde mi oficina móvil BlackBerry® de Telcel

> > >

> > > [ ] Call from Kirkman Labs about DMSA/Succinic Acid

> > >

> > > Hi all,

> > >

> > > Perhaps this is old news, but today I got a call from Kirkman Labs,

telling

> >me they are no longer allowed to sell succinic acid without a prescription

due

> >to recent FDA rulings. Effective immediately, she says.

> > >

> > > First, could we buy DMSA from Kirkman without a scrip?

> > >

> > > Second, does this affect VRP.COM?

> > >

> > > Thanks,

> > >

> > > Pam

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 12:57 AM, ideals04 <ideals04@...> wrote:

>

>

>

> I ordered some from VRP today, got 30% off from a coupon they advertised on

> site.

>

> ALA is not likely going anywhere as it is found naturally occurring in

> foods so the FDA allows it to be labeled a dietary supplement.

>

> Also ALA and DMSA wil always be available from overseas or a neighboring

> country.

>

> Funny Kirkman caves to the FDA quickly but won't pay for testing or good

> ingredients so te vitamins don't contain antimony.

>

>

> >

> > Hi all,

> >

> > Perhaps this is old news, but today I got a call from Kirkman Labs,

> telling me they are no longer allowed to sell succinic acid without a

> prescription due to recent FDA rulings. Effective immediately, she says.

> >

> > First, could we buy DMSA from Kirkman without a scrip?

> >

> > Second, does this affect VRP.COM?

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> > Pam

> >

>

>

>

--

Zurama

Mickie 13yrs

Round #36

15mg DMSA 15mg ALA

[Guest guest]

You are right, there is still the rest of the world.

Zurama

On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 12:57 AM, ideals04 <ideals04@...> wrote:

>

>

>

> I ordered some from VRP today, got 30% off from a coupon they advertised on

> site.

>

> ALA is not likely going anywhere as it is found naturally occurring in

> foods so the FDA allows it to be labeled a dietary supplement.

>

> Also ALA and DMSA wil always be available from overseas or a neighboring

> country.

>

> Funny Kirkman caves to the FDA quickly but won't pay for testing or good

> ingredients so te vitamins don't contain antimony.

>

>

> >

> > Hi all,

> >

> > Perhaps this is old news, but today I got a call from Kirkman Labs,

> telling me they are no longer allowed to sell succinic acid without a

> prescription due to recent FDA rulings. Effective immediately, she says.

> >

> > First, could we buy DMSA from Kirkman without a scrip?

> >

> > Second, does this affect VRP.COM?

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> > Pam

> >

>

>

>

--

Zurama

Mickie 13yrs

Round #36

15mg DMSA 15mg ALA

[Guest guest]

Are you speaking of DMSA or succinic acid?? I know that they are two very

different products. Allergy Research Group, I thought, was one of the few

companies that produced Succinic acid. I would call VRP.com...they are good

about answering questions..

hth

Ronni

>

> Hi all,

>

> Perhaps this is old news, but today I got a call from Kirkman Labs, telling me

they are no longer allowed to sell succinic acid without a prescription due to

recent FDA rulings. Effective immediately, she says.

>

> First, could we buy DMSA from Kirkman without a scrip?

>

> Second, does this affect VRP.COM?

>

> Thanks,

>

> Pam

>

[Guest guest]

And as far as I know you needed a doctors note for kirkman DMSA since 2002

when I started

Mandi in UK

In a message dated 22/10/2010 16:45:24 GMT Daylight Time,

autismtookmickie@... writes:

You are right, there is still the rest of the world.

Zurama

On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 12:57 AM, ideals04 <ideals04@...> wrote:

>

>

>

> I ordered some from VRP today, got 30% off from a coupon they advertised

on

> site.

>

> ALA is not likely going anywhere as it is found naturally occurring in

> foods so the FDA allows it to be labeled a dietary supplement.

>

> Also ALA and DMSA wil always be available from overseas or a neighboring

> country.

>

> Funny Kirkman caves to the FDA quickly but won't pay for testing or good

> ingredients so te vitamins don't contain antimony.

>

>

> >

> > Hi all,

> >

> > Perhaps this is old news, but today I got a call from Kirkman Labs,

> telling me they are no longer allowed to sell succinic acid without a

> prescription due to recent FDA rulings. Effective immediately, she says.

> >

> > First, could we buy DMSA from Kirkman without a scrip?

> >

> > Second, does this affect VRP.COM?

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> > Pam

> >

>

>

>

--

Zurama

Mickie 13yrs

Round #36

15mg DMSA 15mg ALA

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[Guest guest]

There was a short while that you doidn;t need Rx when Lee Silsby was doing

TD DMSA to all and sundry, then JMcC said TD DMSA was no good, Kirkman put

the Rx thing back in place..............

Mandi in Uk

In a message dated 22/10/2010 21:53:14 GMT Daylight Time,

phaselow@... writes:

I guess I wonder why they even bothered to call me if they have had a

prescription only policy for a few years? I remember when I first went to oral

DMSA in maybe 2007 I was told then Kirkman pulled DMSA from their online

catalog but you could still get it if you asked for it (without prescription).

I had a prescription so I never tried.

Pam

> > >

> > > This is terrible!!! I only have 1 bottle...let's stack on ALA, one

can guess

> >that it might be their next move.... They are definitely cutting down

options on

> >supplements, I have read this has been discussed by congress-several

times- and

> >bills come and go trying to restrict our access to supps. This is scary.

> > > Isa

> > > Enviado desde mi oficina móvil BlackBerry® de Telcel

> > >

> > > [ ] Call from Kirkman Labs about DMSA/Succinic

Acid

> > >

> > > Hi all,

> > >

> > > Perhaps this is old news, but today I got a call from Kirkman Labs,

telling

> >me they are no longer allowed to sell succinic acid without a

prescription due

> >to recent FDA rulings. Effective immediately, she says.

> > >

> > > First, could we buy DMSA from Kirkman without a scrip?

> > >

> > > Second, does this affect VRP.COM?

> > >

> > > Thanks,

> > >

> > > Pam

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

> > >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Pam,

We have been chelating for 2 years and have never been able to purchase DMSA

from Kirkman's due to this policy.  With VRP, It's been back and forth; I

believe at one point last year, VRP said the FDA ruled that they could not sell

DMSA anymore and were just going to sell their remaining stock then sell no

more.  Of course, everyone bought loads of DMSA (including me) to stock up

on.  VRP is still selling it without a Rx today, thankfully.  (Hmm, I'm

pretty

sure that was VRP.)

S.

>

>From: Pamela H <phaselow@...>

>

>Sent: Thu, October 21, 2010 11:08:13 PM

>Subject: [ ] Call from Kirkman Labs about DMSA/Succinic Acid

>

> 

>Hi all,

>

>Perhaps this is old news, but today I got a call from Kirkman Labs, telling me

>they are no longer allowed to sell succinic acid without a prescription due to

>recent FDA rulings. Effective immediately, she says.

>

>First, could we buy DMSA from Kirkman without a scrip?

>

>Second, does this affect VRP.COM?

>

>Thanks,

>

>Pam

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Same difference, kirkman now call their DMSA 25mg Succinic Acid

16.3mg..............

Mandi in UK

In a message dated 22/10/2010 16:55:35 GMT Daylight Time,

HISSPECIALTOUCH@... writes:

Are you speaking of DMSA or succinic acid??

[Guest guest]

I heard about the FDA decision but didn't think too much of it. Thinking that

the government doesn't move fast on much. Looks like i was wrong on that. I

had already bought a bottle of DMSA & ALA and I went online today and bought

another bottle of each (from Spectrum Supplements) just in case.

>

> Hi Pam,

>

> We have been chelating for 2 years and have never been able to purchase DMSA

> from Kirkman's due to this policy.  With VRP, It's been back and forth; I

> believe at one point last year, VRP said the FDA ruled that they could not

sell

> DMSA anymore and were just going to sell their remaining stock then sell no

> more.  Of course, everyone bought loads of DMSA (including me) to stock up

> on.  VRP is still selling it without a Rx today, thankfully.  (Hmm, I'm

pretty

> sure that was VRP.)

>

> S.

>

>

> >

> >From: Pamela H <phaselow@...>

> >

> >Sent: Thu, October 21, 2010 11:08:13 PM

> >Subject: [ ] Call from Kirkman Labs about DMSA/Succinic Acid

> >

> > 

> >Hi all,

> >

> >Perhaps this is old news, but today I got a call from Kirkman Labs, telling

me

> >they are no longer allowed to sell succinic acid without a prescription due

to

> >recent FDA rulings. Effective immediately, she says.

> >

> >First, could we buy DMSA from Kirkman without a scrip?

> >

> >Second, does this affect VRP.COM?

> >

> >Thanks,

> >

> >Pam

> >

> >

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

Point being, this is not a new policy with Kirkman and I don't want to say

" don't rush to buy loads of DMSA in fear that it will not

be available anymore "

because you never know but this was done last year by VRP and they made a

killing from all of the people that stocked up on DMSA from fear (put out there

by VRP that they were told to stop selling without Rx so decided to not sell at

all) that DMSA would not be available through them anymore.

This came up in i believe June '09; i found one of my old posts:

> >

> > I just spoke with VRP concerning DMSA. I believe most on here know that they

>will stop selling DMSA by the end of the year. (I bought more thinking that I

>would not be able to purchase more.)

> >

> > I did some searching around on FDA.gov and found the back and forth letters

>from FoodScience and VitalNutrients concerning product labeling and

>advertisement. Search DMSA on FDA.gov and the information will come up.

> >

> > I called Kirkman's to see if they will be selling DMSA (I've never purchased

>DMSA from Kirkman's). I spoke with 2 separate Reps and asked if they will

>discontinue selling DMSA like VRP. I was told that they had no intention to

stop

>and will continue to sell 25mg, 50mg and 100mg bottles. I was told that you

have

>to have a prescription but they have always had that policy. I asked if you

>would accept a prescription from Homeopath, DAN!, etc. whoever has the

authority

>to write a prescription and they said yes on both occasions. (www.kirkmanlabs.

>com)

> >

> > Some of you might have already known this but for those that didn't ......

> >

> > S.

FWIW, S.

>

>From: kac0509 <dobefan@...>

>

>Sent: Fri, October 22, 2010 3:55:59 PM

>Subject: [ ] Re: Call from Kirkman Labs about DMSA/Succinic Acid

>

> 

>I heard about the FDA decision but didn't think too much of it. Thinking that

>the government doesn't move fast on much. Looks like i was wrong on that. I had

>already bought a bottle of DMSA & ALA and I went online today and bought

another

>bottle of each (from Spectrum Supplements) just in case.

>

>

>

>

>>

>> Hi Pam,

>>

>> We have been chelating for 2 years and have never been able to purchase DMSA

>> from Kirkman's due to this policy.  With VRP, It's been back and

forth; I

>> believe at one point last year, VRP said the FDA ruled that they could not

sell

>>

>> DMSA anymore and were just going to sell their remaining stock then sell no

>> more.  Of course, everyone bought loads of DMSA (including me) to stock up

>> on.  VRP is still selling it without a Rx today, thankfully.  (Hmm,

I'm

>>pretty

>>

>> sure that was VRP.)

>>

>> S.

>>

>>

>> >

>> >From: Pamela H <phaselow@...>

>> >

>> >Sent: Thu, October 21, 2010 11:08:13 PM

>> >Subject: [ ] Call from Kirkman Labs about DMSA/Succinic Acid

>> >

>> > 

>> >Hi all,

>> >

>> >Perhaps this is old news, but today I got a call from Kirkman Labs, telling

me

>>

>> >they are no longer allowed to sell succinic acid without a prescription due

to

>>

>> >recent FDA rulings. Effective immediately, she says.

>> >

>> >First, could we buy DMSA from Kirkman without a scrip?

>> >

>> >Second, does this affect VRP.COM?

>> >

>> >Thanks,

>> >

>> >Pam

>> >

>> >

>> >

>>

>>

[Guest guest]

Kirkman went a step further. They told me I would not be allowed to buy it

anymore without a prescription. No hype; reality.

Pam

> > >

> > > This is terrible!!! I only have 1 bottle...let's stack on ALA, one can

guess

> >that it might be their next move.... They are definitely cutting down options

on

> >supplements, I have read this has been discussed by congress-several times-

and

> >bills come and go trying to restrict our access to supps. This is scary.

> > > Isa

> > > Enviado desde mi oficina móvil BlackBerry® de Telcel

> > >

> > > [ ] Call from Kirkman Labs about DMSA/Succinic Acid

> > >

> > > Hi all,

> > >

> > > Perhaps this is old news, but today I got a call from Kirkman Labs,

telling

> >me they are no longer allowed to sell succinic acid without a prescription

due

> >to recent FDA rulings. Effective immediately, she says.

> > >

> > > First, could we buy DMSA from Kirkman without a scrip?

> > >

> > > Second, does this affect VRP.COM?

> > >

> > > Thanks,

> > >

> > > Pam

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Both. They said both DMSA and Succinic acid will no longer be available without

a prescription. I got a call from THEM; without any initiation on my part.

They were contacting all who had purchased it in the recent past, I guess.

Pam

> >

> > Hi all,

> >

> > Perhaps this is old news, but today I got a call from Kirkman Labs, telling

me they are no longer allowed to sell succinic acid without a prescription due

to recent FDA rulings. Effective immediately, she says.

> >

> > First, could we buy DMSA from Kirkman without a scrip?

> >

> > Second, does this affect VRP.COM?

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> > Pam

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Well, that is what I was wondering; what FDA ruling? The woman who called me

obviously was just the messenger. All she was able to tell me was the they were

complying with the ruling immediately. I don't know if this was a ruling made

this week, last month or a few years ago!

I ordered DMSA from Kirkman last about 6 months ago. It was a prescription. It

was also my impression that I needed a prescription, and it had been this way

for a few years.

So, that is why I asked the question here. I ordered 6 bottles from vrp.com

last month and I plan on continuing to do so until they tell me I cannot.

In the past 6 months, Kirkman switched from the DMSA to the succinic acid. I

thought that was to circumvent an FDA ruling... and that was with a

prescription.

I suppose this is a non-issue at this point and I hope it stays that way.

Pam

>

> Hi Pam,

>

> We have been chelating for 2 years and have never been able to purchase DMSA

> from Kirkman's due to this policy.  With VRP, It's been back and forth; I

> believe at one point last year, VRP said the FDA ruled that they could not

sell

> DMSA anymore and were just going to sell their remaining stock then sell no

> more.  Of course, everyone bought loads of DMSA (including me) to stock up

> on.  VRP is still selling it without a Rx today, thankfully.  (Hmm, I'm

pretty

> sure that was VRP.)

>

> S.

>

>

> >

> >From: Pamela H <phaselow@...>

> >

> >Sent: Thu, October 21, 2010 11:08:13 PM

> >Subject: [ ] Call from Kirkman Labs about DMSA/Succinic Acid

> >

> > 

> >Hi all,

> >

> >Perhaps this is old news, but today I got a call from Kirkman Labs, telling

me

> >they are no longer allowed to sell succinic acid without a prescription due

to

> >recent FDA rulings. Effective immediately, she says.

> >

> >First, could we buy DMSA from Kirkman without a scrip?

> >

> >Second, does this affect VRP.COM?

> >

> >Thanks,

> >

> >Pam

> >

> >

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

I guess I wonder why they even bothered to call me if they have had a

prescription only policy for a few years? I remember when I first went to oral

DMSA in maybe 2007 I was told then Kirkman pulled DMSA from their online catalog

but you could still get it if you asked for it (without prescription). I had a

prescription so I never tried.

Pam

> > >

> > > This is terrible!!! I only have 1 bottle...let's stack on ALA, one can

guess

> >that it might be their next move.... They are definitely cutting down options

on

> >supplements, I have read this has been discussed by congress-several times-

and

> >bills come and go trying to restrict our access to supps. This is scary.

> > > Isa

> > > Enviado desde mi oficina móvil BlackBerry® de Telcel

> > >

> > > [ ] Call from Kirkman Labs about DMSA/Succinic Acid

> > >

> > > Hi all,

> > >

> > > Perhaps this is old news, but today I got a call from Kirkman Labs,

telling

> >me they are no longer allowed to sell succinic acid without a prescription

due

> >to recent FDA rulings. Effective immediately, she says.

> > >

> > > First, could we buy DMSA from Kirkman without a scrip?

> > >

> > > Second, does this affect VRP.COM?

> > >

> > > Thanks,

> > >

> > > Pam

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

There was a time, when td-dmps was all the rage, where Kirkman's sold Dmsa

without an Rx, I know, I bought it.

So I guess their ethics are situational along with their inability to test their

products for heavy metals (antimony in their products)

Re: [ ] Re: Call from Kirkman Labs about DMSA/Succinic

Acid

And as far as I know you needed a doctors note for kirkman DMSA since 2002

when I started

Mandi in UK

In a message dated 22/10/2010 16:45:24 GMT Daylight Time,

autismtookmickie@... writes:

You are right, there is still the rest of the world.

Zurama

On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 12:57 AM, ideals04 <ideals04@...> wrote:

>

>

>

> I ordered some from VRP today, got 30% off from a coupon they advertised

on

> site.

>

> ALA is not likely going anywhere as it is found naturally occurring in

> foods so the FDA allows it to be labeled a dietary supplement.

>

> Also ALA and DMSA wil always be available from overseas or a neighboring

> country.

>

> Funny Kirkman caves to the FDA quickly but won't pay for testing or good

> ingredients so te vitamins don't contain antimony.

>

>

> >

> > Hi all,

> >

> > Perhaps this is old news, but today I got a call from Kirkman Labs,

> telling me they are no longer allowed to sell succinic acid without a

> prescription due to recent FDA rulings. Effective immediately, she says.

> >

> > First, could we buy DMSA from Kirkman without a scrip?

> >

> > Second, does this affect VRP.COM?

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> > Pam

> >

>

>

>

--

Zurama

Mickie 13yrs

Round #36

15mg DMSA 15mg ALA