Re: New to the group...

November 26, 2003

No problem at all!!!!

October 17, 2005

Hi All

I have RA in the finger joints of my left hand. I was prescribed Sulphasalazine but got bad headcahes and have now had seriod injections into the joints. The injections seem to have stopped the swelling but I am worried about their long term effect/use? Any ideas or help would be greatly appreciated

Ruth- new to the group (U.K.)

Hi Everyone,My name is Kari and I have been lurking for a while but feel it is time to join the conversation. I was diagnoised with RA and Osteo-arthritis about 3 months ago. I have RA in my feet, hands, wrists and elbows. I have just started taking sulindac, sulphasalzine, folic acid and am due to start methotrexate this Sunday. I am thinking about the catch 22 thing as I am 38 and feel worse on the meds than not but worry about long-term joint damage vs long-term side effects from all the meds. I am contemplating going the natural route. What are some of the side-effects of the MTX??? Do you get more sick with colds etc,?My Rhumy is not the most forthcoming and I need to go in with a list of questions as he doesn't tell me stuff unless I ask. Right now my hands and elbows are the worst affected.I have been educated more by all of your feedback on this board, so thank you.Kari

October 17, 2005

Kari, why not do both until you get your RA under control..............Take

the meds to help the joint pain but at the same time study about

naturapathic methods and test until you find what works for you.......then

and only when you feel you have figured out your problem try easing back on

the medication. That was the route I took and it worked for me, I have been

med free for 3 years now and have no further joint damage and I am mostly

pain free and able to live a normal active life again.

There are so many things we can do to improve our health........diet,

exercise, proper amounts of water, proper breathing, stress relief.

Dorey

www.LivingWithRheumatoidArthritis.com

----- Original Message -----

From: " Kari " <safrcngrl@...>

Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 12:35 PM

Subject: New to the group...

> Hi Everyone,

>

> My name is Kari and I have been lurking for a while but feel it is

> time to join the conversation. I was diagnoised with RA and Osteo-

> arthritis about 3 months ago. I have RA in my feet, hands, wrists

> and elbows. I have just started taking sulindac, sulphasalzine,

> folic acid and am due to start methotrexate this Sunday. I am

> thinking about the catch 22 thing as I am 38 and feel worse on the

> meds than not but worry about long-term joint damage vs long-term

> side effects from all the meds. I am contemplating going the natural

> route. What are some of the side-effects of the MTX??? Do you get

> more sick with colds etc,?

> My Rhumy is not the most forthcoming and I need to go in with a list

> of questions as he doesn't tell me stuff unless I ask. Right now my

> hands and elbows are the worst affected.

>

> I have been educated more by all of your feedback on this board, so

> thank you.

> Kari

>

October 17, 2005

May I ask please what diet you followed for this wonderful recovery? What amount of water would you drink per day too? Would a body conditioning class for fitness be too strenous do you think?

Thank you

Ruth

nt: Monday, October 17, 2005 8:59 PM

Subject: Re: New to the group...

Kari, why not do both until you get your RA under control..............Take the meds to help the joint pain but at the same time study about naturapathic methods and test until you find what works for you.......then and only when you feel you have figured out your problem try easing back on the medication. That was the route I took and it worked for me, I have been med free for 3 years now and have no further joint damage and I am mostly pain free and able to live a normal active life again.There are so many things we can do to improve our health........diet, exercise, proper amounts of water, proper breathing, stress relief. Doreywww.LivingWithRheumatoidArthritis.com----- Original Message ----- From: "Kari" <safrcngrl@...><Rheumatoid Arthritis >Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 12:35 PMSubject: New to the group...> Hi Everyone,>> My name is Kari and I have been lurking for a while but feel it is> time to join the conversation. I was diagnoised with RA and Osteo-> arthritis about 3 months ago. I have RA in my feet, hands, wrists> and elbows. I have just started taking sulindac, sulphasalzine,> folic acid and am due to start methotrexate this Sunday. I am> thinking about the catch 22 thing as I am 38 and feel worse on the> meds than not but worry about long-term joint damage vs long-term> side effects from all the meds. I am contemplating going the natural> route. What are some of the side-effects of the MTX??? Do you get> more sick with colds etc,?> My Rhumy is not the most forthcoming and I need to go in with a list> of questions as he doesn't tell me stuff unless I ask. Right now my> hands and elbows are the worst affected.>> I have been educated more by all of your feedback on this board, so> thank you.> Kari>>>>>>>>>>>>

October 17, 2005

My rheumy is the same way. He is from India or somewhere in that area and he is hard to understand. Sometimes I think of getting a new doc but he is good.

I felt sick when I first started MTX. I've been on it for about 2 years and I can take all six pills at once and not get sick. Now I also take Enbrel.

My hands and feet are the worst but my knees and elbows are also affected.

Vicki

-------Original Message-------

From: Kari

Date: 10/17/05 14:22:59

Rheumatoid Arthritis

Subject: New to the group...

Hi Everyone,My name is Kari and I have been lurking for a while but feel it is time to join the conversation. I was diagnoised with RA and Osteo-arthritis about 3 months ago. I have RA in my feet, hands, wrists and elbows. I have just started taking sulindac, sulphasalzine, folic acid and am due to start methotrexate this Sunday. I am thinking about the catch 22 thing as I am 38 and feel worse on the meds than not but worry about long-term joint damage vs long-term side effects from all the meds. I am contemplating going the natural route. What are some of the side-effects of the MTX??? Do you get more sick with colds etc,?My Rhumy is not the most forthcoming and I need to go in with a list of questions as he doesn't tell me stuff unless I ask. Right now my hands and elbows are the worst affected.I have been educated more by all of your feedback on this board, so thank you.Kari

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October 17, 2005

Hi Kari, welcome

I've been on MTX for almost 10 years and have found that I don't get

any sicker with MTX. I used to take 4 pills a week , but am up to a

week. Seems everyone else in my family gets sick before I do...

Side effects I notice is nausea and fatigue. The nausea is only the

first couple weeks my MTX is increased...otherwise I have no problems

from it.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Maggie

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http://www.4FloridaHockey.com

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AOL: Maggies85

Kari wrote:

Hi Everyone,

My name is Kari and I have been lurking for a while but feel it is time to join the conversation. I was diagnoised with RA and Osteo-

arthritis about 3 months ago. I have RA in my feet, hands, wrists and elbows. I have just started taking sulindac, sulphasalzine, folic acid and am due to start methotrexate this Sunday. I am thinking about the catch 22 thing as I am 38 and feel worse on the meds than not but worry about long-term joint damage vs long-term side effects from all the meds. I am contemplating going the natural route. What are some of the side-effects of the MTX??? Do you get more sick with colds etc,?

My Rhumy is not the most forthcoming and I need to go in with a list of questions as he doesn't tell me stuff unless I ask. Right now my hands and elbows are the worst affected.

I have been educated more by all of your feedback on this board, so thank you.

Kari

October 17, 2005

Ooops, lost my 8 somewhere LOL. I take 8

2.5 mg pills of MTX a week

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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http://www.4FloridaHockey.com

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AOL: Maggies85

~Maggie~ wrote:

Hi Kari, welcome

I've been on MTX for almost 10 years and have found that I don't get

any sicker with MTX. I used to take 4 pills a week , but am up to a

week. Seems everyone else in my family gets sick before I do...

October 18, 2005

--- Kari <safrcngrl@...> wrote:

> Hi Everyone,

>

> My name is Kari and I have been lurking for a while

> but feel it is

> time to join the conversation. I was diagnoised with

> RA and Osteo-

> arthritis about 3 months ago. I have RA in my feet,

> hands, wrists

> and elbows. I have just started taking sulindac,

> sulphasalzine,

> folic acid and am due to start methotrexate this

> Sunday. I am

> thinking about the catch 22 thing as I am 38 and

> feel worse on the

> meds than not but worry about long-term joint damage

> vs long-term

> side effects from all the meds. I am contemplating

> going the natural

> route. What are some of the side-effects of the

> MTX??? Do you get

> more sick with colds etc,?

> My Rhumy is not the most forthcoming and I need to

> go in with a list

> of questions as he doesn't tell me stuff unless I

> ask. Right now my

> hands and elbows are the worst affected.

>

> I have been educated more by all of your feedback on

> this board, so

> thank you.

> Kari

>

Hi Kari ,

Well I have both allso and some others that come

along with r/a well long term joint damage is a fact i

see it every day with my mom and in my toes but i can

cover it with my shoes and my foot dr want touch them

because of my RANARDS being very bad and my r/a being

still active in my feet for some reason , my mom

cann't it has ten yrs on her before the better meds so

i'll take my meds , and from what my dr tells me the

long term effects such as liver probs ? if the #s go

up we'll stop or chang the meds and it go away but i

dont have a liver prob to start with as for the #s or

function as for poss of lukimia ? umm some of my

family had some diease anyway but i'll take my chance

than live the way i see my mother haveing to live now

its a hard diease so we got to do what each of us

feels right with and i guess what we each see and go

through will effect us and our dessions the most so

good luck with your choise and hope you have many pain

free days .

>

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October 18, 2005

Your RA was just diagnosed about 3 months ago so it may still be progressing in spite of the medicines. That may be what is making you feel worse and maybe the medicines are helping, but not enough. You don't find out unless you stop the medications snd see if you get really bad. I prefer to keep adding medicines till I'm pretty well controlled and they try to cut back on those I think are doing the least good. I can be surprised at how effective some medications are.

You are wise to consider the long term and not just how you feel today. Side effects of many medications decrease with time and their effectiveness can increase with time at least for a while. Permanent joint damage is no fun so you should try to avoid it. I'm on 15 mg Methotrexate with no appreciable side effects and never had any. Many others have no side effects but we do hear a lot from the few who do have significant side effects.

I do believe in a generally healthy diet but I have not tried to combat RA with diet. From what I read there is no diet that is universally good for people with RA, but many people have food allergies that make their RA worse. If I were goint to consider natural methods seriously I would go to a nutritionist for tests for food allergies and proceed to eliminate food groups to which I showed some allergic reaction. There may be better ways to go about it but that's what I would do. God bless.

----- Original Message -----

From: Kari

Rheumatoid Arthritis

Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 12:35 PM

Subject: New to the group...

Hi Everyone,My name is Kari and I have been lurking for a while but feel it is time to join the conversation. I was diagnoised with RA and Osteo-arthritis about 3 months ago. I have RA in my feet, hands, wrists and elbows. I have just started taking sulindac, sulphasalzine, folic acid and am due to start methotrexate this Sunday. I am thinking about the catch 22 thing as I am 38 and feel worse on the meds than not but worry about long-term joint damage vs long-term side effects from all the meds. I am contemplating going the natural route. What are some of the side-effects of the MTX??? Do you get more sick with colds etc,?My Rhumy is not the most forthcoming and I need to go in with a list of questions as he doesn't tell me stuff unless I ask. Right now my hands and elbows are the worst affected.I have been educated more by all of your feedback on this board, so thank you.Kari

October 19, 2005

--- In Rheumatoid Arthritis , " Kari " <safrcngrl@y...>

wrote:

> route. What are some of the side-effects of the MTX??? Do you get

> more sick with colds etc,?

I was really worried about getting sick, but have been quite well on

MTX. I haven't had any more colds than usual, and I've gotten over them

in the usual amount of time. Getting a flu shot is important to me.

Sierra

October 23, 2005

Hi Ruth, for me the biggest problem in my diet seemed to be bread, and I didn't know until I had removed it from my diet for 30 days.

I eat a diet high in fresh fruits and vegetables, low in preservatives or processed foods. I reduced salt and sugar and tend to eat protein mostly at the evening meal.

I don't eat dairy but that's because years ago I found I didn't feel well when eating dairy, long before I got RA or knew much about nutritional health.

This works for me in combination with taking my daily supplement, practicing meditation and of course regular exercise.

If you are interested in body conditioning classes I would suggest there will be an instructor who can help you decide if it would be right for you or even modify the exercises to suit your body.

Dorey

www.LivingWithRheumatoidArthritis.com

----- Original Message -----

From: Ruth Petford

Rheumatoid Arthritis

Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 1:16 PM

Subject: Re: New to the group...

May I ask please what diet you followed for this wonderful recovery? What amount of water would you drink per day too? Would a body conditioning class for fitness be too strenous do you think?

Thank you

Ruth

nt: Monday, October 17, 2005 8:59 PM

Subject: Re: New to the group...

Kari, why not do both until you get your RA under control..............Take the meds to help the joint pain but at the same time study about naturapathic methods and test until you find what works for you.......then and only when you feel you have figured out your problem try easing back on the medication. That was the route I took and it worked for me, I have been med free for 3 years now and have no further joint damage and I am mostly pain free and able to live a normal active life again.There are so many things we can do to improve our health........diet, exercise, proper amounts of water, proper breathing, stress relief. Doreywww.LivingWithRheumatoidArthritis.com----- Original Message ----- From: "Kari" <safrcngrl@...><Rheumatoid Arthritis >Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 12:35 PMSubject: New to the group...> Hi Everyone,>> My name is Kari and I have been lurking for a while but feel it is> time to join the conversation. I was diagnoised with RA and Osteo-> arthritis about 3 months ago. I have RA in my feet, hands, wrists> and elbows. I have just started taking sulindac, sulphasalzine,> folic acid and am due to start methotrexate this Sunday. I am> thinking about the catch 22 thing as I am 38 and feel worse on the> meds than not but worry about long-term joint damage vs long-term> side effects from all the meds. I am contemplating going the natural> route. What are some of the side-effects of the MTX??? Do you get> more sick with colds etc,?> My Rhumy is not the most forthcoming and I need to go in with a list> of questions as he doesn't tell me stuff unless I ask. Right now my> hands and elbows are the worst affected.>> I have been educated more by all of your feedback on this board, so> thank you.> Kari>>>>>>>>>>>>

October 23, 2005

I did the steriod injections as well Ruth, I had my shoulders and one knee injected. They worked great but it wears off and goes back to hurting. For me the injection worked for 30 days. Also after a year I had a concern with my hips not rotating as they should, the Rheumatologist suggested this was due to the steriod use........I've never had another shot and recovered from the hip problems.

Dorey

www.LivingWithRheumatoidArthritis.com

----- Original Message -----

From: Ruth Petford

Rheumatoid Arthritis

Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 12:38 PM

Subject: Re: New to the group...

Hi All

I have RA in the finger joints of my left hand. I was prescribed Sulphasalazine but got bad headcahes and have now had seriod injections into the joints. The injections seem to have stopped the swelling but I am worried about their long term effect/use? Any ideas or help would be greatly appreciated

Ruth- new to the group (U.K.)

Hi Everyone,My name is Kari and I have been lurking for a while but feel it is time to join the conversation. I was diagnoised with RA and Osteo-arthritis about 3 months ago. I have RA in my feet, hands, wrists and elbows. I have just started taking sulindac, sulphasalzine, folic acid and am due to start methotrexate this Sunday. I am thinking about the catch 22 thing as I am 38 and feel worse on the meds than not but worry about long-term joint damage vs long-term side effects from all the meds. I am contemplating going the natural route. What are some of the side-effects of the MTX??? Do you get more sick with colds etc,?My Rhumy is not the most forthcoming and I need to go in with a list of questions as he doesn't tell me stuff unless I ask. Right now my hands and elbows are the worst affected.I have been educated more by all of your feedback on this board, so thank you.Kari

October 24, 2005

Sulfaxalazine is one of the older drugs for treating RA and many people have adverse reactions to sulfa medications. It is important to be on a DMARD (Disease-Modifying Anti-Rheumatic Drug) and while steroids are often effective in treating the symptoms of RA they do little or nothing to slow joint damage and thus are not classed as DMARDs. Another older drug is Plaquenil but that has largely been replaced by Methotrexate. I think it is important to be treated by a rheumatologist because most other doctors do not know enough about RA to treat it effectiely. It is also important to be on a DMARD. Please try to get more effective treatment for your illness. Welcome to the group and God bless.

----- Original Message -----

From: Ruth Petford

Rheumatoid Arthritis

Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 12:38 PM

Subject: Re: New to the group...

Hi All

I have RA in the finger joints of my left hand. I was prescribed Sulphasalazine but got bad headcahes and have now had seriod injections into the joints. The injections seem to have stopped the swelling but I am worried about their long term effect/use? Any ideas or help would be greatly appreciated

Ruth- new to the group (U.K.)

October 24, 2005

Hello and thank you for your reply.

I am seeing a specialist in RA , ATM! In the U.K. it takes months to see someone at all :-(( I explained at my last appointment that the sulfaxalazine gave me headcahes and he is to send a prescription for Methotrexate to my G.P. who will then give it to me <g> I can only get to see the Specialist once every 6 months and so there are lots of changes, peaks and throughs in the time between appointments.

Ruth (U.K.)

xalazine is one of the older drugs for treating RA and many people have adverse reactions to sulfa medications. It is important to be on a DMARD (Disease-Modifying Anti-Rheumatic Drug) and while steroids are often effective in treating the symptoms of RA they do little or nothing to slow joint damage and thus are not classed as DMARDs. Another older drug is Plaquenil but that has largely been replaced by Methotrexate. I think it is important to be treated by a rheumatologist because most other doctors do not know enough about RA to treat it effectiely. It is also important to be on a DMARD. Please try to get more effective treatment for your illness. Welcome to the group and God bless.

----- Original Message -----

From: Ruth Petford

Rheumatoid Arthritis

Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 12:38 PM

Subject: Re: New to the group...

Hi All

I have RA in the finger joints of my left hand. I was prescribed Sulphasalazine but got bad headcahes and have now had seriod injections into the joints. The injections seem to have stopped the swelling but I am worried about their long term effect/use? Any ideas or help would be greatly appreciated

Ruth- new to the group (U.K.)

March 19, 2008

Hi Carey, I'm Bobby, I'm 78 and I've had cml for 13 years this May. My doctor

is Dr. Talpaz at the U. of Mich, although I am from outside Cleveland, OH, as I

am in a clinical trial there for Sprycel. Welcom to the group, I too am new to

the site, have only been posting about 2 weeks, and everyone is very

compassionate and helpful. No one wants cml,. but the upside is meeting great

people and sharing experiences. Welcome aboard! Bobby

cnickels_nc <careynkarl@...> wrote:

My name is Carey I'm 38 and from Charlotte, NC. I was daignosed with

CML on December 19, 2007 (Merry Christmas too me) and began taking

Gleevec 400mg on December 20, 2007. I have responded very well to

Gleevec so far and reached hematologic remission on February 27, 2008.

I had a PCR done on that date and will get the info about that on March

31st at my next apt. I see a Dr Ellis at the NCI in Winston Salem.

I have been reading the board for a while now, and decided it was time

to post and introduce myself. I thank you all for the information you

have given me. It is so nice to know that I am not alone. I have

several side effects, but knowing there are many people going through

them too makes me feel better some how.

a (Bobby) Doyle

Brecksville, Ohio, USA

DX 05/1995

02/2000 - Gleevec Trial/OHSU

06/2002 - Gleevec/Trisenox Trial/OHSU

06/2003 - Gleevec/Zarnestra Trial/OHSU

04/2004 - Sprycel Trial/MDACC, CCR in 10 months

#840 - Zavie's Zero Club

09/2006 - out of CCR

March 19, 2008

Thank you for the welcome Aliza

>

> welcome carey

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March 19, 2008

Wow 13 years is so encouraging. Thanks for the welcome Bobby.

> My name is Carey I'm 38 and from Charlotte, NC. I was

daignosed with

> CML on December 19, 2007 (Merry Christmas too me) and began taking

> Gleevec 400mg on December 20, 2007. I have responded very well to

> Gleevec so far and reached hematologic remission on February 27,

2008.

> I had a PCR done on that date and will get the info about that on

March

> 31st at my next apt. I see a Dr Ellis at the NCI in Winston Salem.

>

> I have been reading the board for a while now, and decided it was

time

> to post and introduce myself. I thank you all for the information

you

> have given me. It is so nice to know that I am not alone. I have

> several side effects, but knowing there are many people going

through

> them too makes me feel better some how.

>

> a (Bobby) Doyle

> Brecksville, Ohio, USA

> DX 05/1995

> 02/2000 - Gleevec Trial/OHSU

> 06/2002 - Gleevec/Trisenox Trial/OHSU

> 06/2003 - Gleevec/Zarnestra Trial/OHSU

> 04/2004 - Sprycel Trial/MDACC, CCR in 10 months

> #840 - Zavie's Zero Club

> 09/2006 - out of CCR

>

March 19, 2008

Hi Carey, have only been a member about 2 weeks but already cant wait to read

the emails . I have gotten so much information and hugs. Eva Brown

@...: rcd1929@...: Wed, 19 Mar 2008

13:07:14 -0700Subject: Re: [ ] New to the group...

Hi Carey, I'm Bobby, I'm 78 and I've had cml for 13 years this May. My doctor is

Dr. Talpaz at the U. of Mich, although I am from outside Cleveland, OH, as I am

in a clinical trial there for Sprycel. Welcom to the group, I too am new to the

site, have only been posting about 2 weeks, and everyone is very compassionate

and helpful. No one wants cml,. but the upside is meeting great people and

sharing experiences. Welcome aboard! Bobbycnickels_nc <careynkarl@...>

wrote:My name is Carey I'm 38 and from Charlotte, NC. I was daignosed with CML

on December 19, 2007 (Merry Christmas too me) and began taking Gleevec 400mg on

December 20, 2007. I have responded very well to Gleevec so far and reached

hematologic remission on February 27, 2008. I had a PCR done on that date and

will get the info about that on March 31st at my next apt. I see a Dr Ellis at

the NCI in Winston Salem.I have been reading the board for a while now, and

decided it was time to post and introduce myself. I thank you all for the

information you have given me. It is so nice to know that I am not alone. I have

several side effects, but knowing there are many people going through them too

makes me feel better some how.a (Bobby) DoyleBrecksville, Ohio, USADX

05/199502/2000 - Gleevec Trial/OHSU06/2002 - Gleevec/Trisenox Trial/OHSU06/2003

- Gleevec/Zarnestra Trial/OHSU04/2004 - Sprycel Trial/MDACC, CCR in 10

months#840 - Zavie's Zero Club09/2006 - out of CCR[Non-text portions of this

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March 20, 2008

Thank you for the welcome Eva.

My name is

Carey I'm 38 and from Charlotte, NC. I was daignosed with CML on

December 19, 2007 (Merry Christmas too me) and began taking Gleevec

400mg on December 20, 2007. I have responded very well to Gleevec so

far and reached hematologic remission on February 27, 2008. I had a

PCR done on that date and will get the info about that on March 31st

at my next apt. I see a Dr Ellis at the NCI in Winston Salem.I have

been reading the board for a while now, and decided it was time to

post and introduce myself. I thank you all for the information you

have given me. It is so nice to know that I am not alone. I have

several side effects, but knowing there are many people going through

them too makes me feel better some how.a (Bobby)

DoyleBrecksville, Ohio, USADX 05/199502/2000 - Gleevec

Trial/OHSU06/2002 - Gleevec/Trisenox Trial/OHSU06/2003 -

Gleevec/Zarnestra Trial/OHSU04/2004 - Sprycel Trial/MDACC, CCR in 10

months#840 - Zavie's Zero Club09/2006 - out of CCR[Non-text portions

of this message have been removed]

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March 20, 2008

Welcome Carey sounds like you are doing well .I was a Christmas Dx also Dec 23

/05 I,m66 sure ruined Christmas in 05

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