Re: Please help-Switching from DAN chelation protocol to AC protocol

[Guest guest]

Hello,

You really don't need another hair test and you definitely don't need another

challenge test.

Lead would not be eliminated with only 5 rounds, so I would keep both DMSA and

ALA if you have access to both. I started with 1/4 mg per lb for the dose of

both DMSA/ALA.

A multimineral would be a good addition for chelating, with perhaps extra zinc

thrown in since multis tend to have little zinc. Also, CoQ10, L-carnitine,

Bcomplex, and anti-oxidants like C and E can be good for low tone.

Your son's reaction to chelation is not surprising, based on the dose/frequency

in a DAN! protocol. I am sorry. My guess is you will not see this with AC

protocol. You might need to get some yeast fighter on board, with grapefruit

seed extract or something else.

Good luck to you.

Pam

>

> After 5 rounds of DAN protocol with 400mg DMSA every 8 hours for my 11 year

old son, 110 lbs, I stopped and took two months off to educate myself by reading

this board and just ordered Andy's books. Now I am ready and have a few

questions.

>

> 1. Do I still need to do a hair test, even though I know he has toxins in his

body?

>

> 2. We did the challenge test my son is high on tin, lead, and urine test

before and after chelation. The numbers after 5 rounds (urine toxic metal test

from Doctors Data) have gone down lead is in normal range. Do I continue with

DMSA or just do ALA only, or both?

>

> 3. What is the right dose now for both DMSA and ALA, now that previously my

son took 400mg, do I start at the lowest level for DMSA 1/8 or 1/2, or somewhere

in the middle? How about ALA, which he did not get before?

>

> 4. Currently my son takes magnesium glycinate, cod liver oil, pro omega,

calcium and D3. During the chelation he started to wet his bed again, humming

with a loud voice, stemming, hyper, executive functioning got worse, confused.

He also has low muscle tone. What other other supplements do you suggest that I

add?

>

> Thank you in advance for your time.

>

[Guest guest]

You are in the right place now. Those negatives you saw were the result of a

dangerous protocol that just slammed more metals around your boy's body and into

his brain. What's done is done, so don't beat yourself up.

No need to do a hair test, you know he is toxic. He reacted to the chelators.

No more challenges again, ever. Very dangerous. He is not lead free after 5

rounds, however high the dose.

Start with dmsa alone probably, do the 1/8 - 1/2 mg per lb of body weight. That

is the guidelines of the AC protocol. Some here do ALA from the start. With my

son, I did dmsa alone for about 8 rounds, to lower his body burden. Then we

added ALA in. If you are very toxic, ALA is hard on the body. In my son's case

he could only tolerate very small doses of ALA for a long time. Then after a

while he could tolerate much more (in keeping with AC guidelines)

Buy Andy's book Amalgam Illness for specifics of the protocol and supps etc.

Some essential supplements, are antioxidants like vitamins E and C, zinc, liver

support (eg milk thistle), perhaps a multi mineral supplement, a good

antifungal, a good high count probiotic. Others here will chime in. The things

you are giving so far are good to keep on board.

Irene

>

> After 5 rounds of DAN protocol with 400mg DMSA every 8 hours for my 11 year

old son, 110 lbs, I stopped and took two months off to educate myself by reading

this board and just ordered Andy's books. Now I am ready and have a few

questions.

>

> 1. Do I still need to do a hair test, even though I know he has toxins in his

body?

>

> 2. We did the challenge test my son is high on tin, lead, and urine test

before and after chelation. The numbers after 5 rounds (urine toxic metal test

from Doctors Data) have gone down lead is in normal range. Do I continue with

DMSA or just do ALA only, or both?

>

> 3. What is the right dose now for both DMSA and ALA, now that previously my

son took 400mg, do I start at the lowest level for DMSA 1/8 or 1/2, or somewhere

in the middle? How about ALA, which he did not get before?

>

> 4. Currently my son takes magnesium glycinate, cod liver oil, pro omega,

calcium and D3. During the chelation he started to wet his bed again, humming

with a loud voice, stemming, hyper, executive functioning got worse, confused.

He also has low muscle tone. What other other supplements do you suggest that I

add?

>

> Thank you in advance for your time.

>

[Guest guest]

- No need to do a hair test. That is only to find out if he is toxic.

- We use DMSA and ALA, they work together if you child can tolerate both.

- The starting dose is usually around 1/8mg per pound for both ALA and DMSA and

you can work up from there. There is also some practicality to consider as far

splitting up capsules. Don't know his weight.

- Make sure you give lots of Vitamin C and E when chelating because it causes

oxidative stress. Magnesium helps with comfort. The behavior you describe could

be from the re-distribution from the high infrequent doses or aslo from yeast,

probably both. You will need a yeast protocol like Grapefruit Seed Extract and

Biotin as well as probiotics.

TJ

________________________________

From: mimoza_mali <m.mat31@...>

Sent: Mon, April 5, 2010 7:57:03 AM

Subject: [ ] Please help-Switching from DAN chelation protocol to

AC protocol

 

After 5 rounds of DAN protocol with 400mg DMSA every 8 hours for my 11 year old

son, 110 lbs, I stopped and took two months off to educate myself by reading

this board and just ordered Andy's books. Now I am ready and have a few

questions.

1. Do I still need to do a hair test, even though I know he has toxins in his

body?

2. We did the challenge test my son is high on tin, lead, and urine test before

and after chelation. The numbers after 5 rounds (urine toxic metal test from

Doctors Data) have gone down lead is in normal range. Do I continue with DMSA or

just do ALA only, or both?

3. What is the right dose now for both DMSA and ALA, now that previously my son

took 400mg, do I start at the lowest level for DMSA 1/8 or 1/2, or somewhere in

the middle? How about ALA, which he did not get before?

4. Currently my son takes magnesium glycinate, cod liver oil, pro omega, calcium

and D3. During the chelation he started to wet his bed again, humming with a

loud voice, stemming, hyper, executive functioning got worse, confused. He also

has low muscle tone. What other other supplements do you suggest that I add?

Thank you in advance for your time.

[Guest guest]

can you please tell me what is AC protocol of chelation?

thanx

________________________________

From: TJ Werth <tj_werth@...>

Sent: Mon, April 5, 2010 7:04:13 PM

Subject: Re: [ ] Please help-Switching from DAN chelation protocol

to AC protocol

 

- No need to do a hair test. That is only to find out if he is toxic.

- We use DMSA and ALA, they work together if you child can tolerate both.

- The starting dose is usually around 1/8mg per pound for both ALA and DMSA and

you can work up from there. There is also some practicality to consider as far

splitting up capsules. Don't know his weight.

- Make sure you give lots of Vitamin C and E when chelating because it causes

oxidative stress. Magnesium helps with comfort. The behavior you describe could

be from the re-distribution from the high infrequent doses or aslo from yeast,

probably both. You will need a yeast protocol like Grapefruit Seed Extract and

Biotin as well as probiotics.

TJ

____________ _________ _________ __

From: mimoza_mali <m.mat31gmail (DOT) com>

Sent: Mon, April 5, 2010 7:57:03 AM

Subject: [ ] Please help-Switching from DAN chelation protocol to

AC protocol

 

After 5 rounds of DAN protocol with 400mg DMSA every 8 hours for my 11 year old

son, 110 lbs, I stopped and took two months off to educate myself by reading

this board and just ordered Andy's books. Now I am ready and have a few

questions.

1. Do I still need to do a hair test, even though I know he has toxins in his

body?

2. We did the challenge test my son is high on tin, lead, and urine test before

and after chelation. The numbers after 5 rounds (urine toxic metal test from

Doctors Data) have gone down lead is in normal range. Do I continue with DMSA or

just do ALA only, or both?

3. What is the right dose now for both DMSA and ALA, now that previously my son

took 400mg, do I start at the lowest level for DMSA 1/8 or 1/2, or somewhere in

the middle? How about ALA, which he did not get before?

4. Currently my son takes magnesium glycinate, cod liver oil, pro omega, calcium

and D3. During the chelation he started to wet his bed again, humming with a

loud voice, stemming, hyper, executive functioning got worse, confused. He also

has low muscle tone. What other other supplements do you suggest that I add?

Thank you in advance for your time.

[Guest guest]

Andy Cutler Protocol from his book Amalgam Illness.

Please read the FAQs of this group and also read about it in the files section.

TJ

________________________________

From: Abeer Abuassi <abeer.abuassi@...>

Sent: Mon, April 5, 2010 10:49:44 AM

Subject: Re: [ ] Please help-Switching from DAN chelation protocol

to AC protocol

 

can you please tell me what is AC protocol of chelation?

thanx

____________ _________ _________ __

From: TJ Werth <tj_werth (DOT) com>

Sent: Mon, April 5, 2010 7:04:13 PM

Subject: Re: [ ] Please help-Switching from DAN chelation protocol

to AC protocol

 

- No need to do a hair test. That is only to find out if he is toxic.

- We use DMSA and ALA, they work together if you child can tolerate both.

- The starting dose is usually around 1/8mg per pound for both ALA and DMSA and

you can work up from there. There is also some practicality to consider as far

splitting up capsules. Don't know his weight.

- Make sure you give lots of Vitamin C and E when chelating because it causes

oxidative stress. Magnesium helps with comfort. The behavior you describe could

be from the re-distribution from the high infrequent doses or aslo from yeast,

probably both. You will need a yeast protocol like Grapefruit Seed Extract and

Biotin as well as probiotics.

TJ

____________ _________ _________ __

From: mimoza_mali <m.mat31gmail (DOT) com>

Sent: Mon, April 5, 2010 7:57:03 AM

Subject: [ ] Please help-Switching from DAN chelation protocol to

AC protocol

 

After 5 rounds of DAN protocol with 400mg DMSA every 8 hours for my 11 year old

son, 110 lbs, I stopped and took two months off to educate myself by reading

this board and just ordered Andy's books. Now I am ready and have a few

questions.

1. Do I still need to do a hair test, even though I know he has toxins in his

body?

2. We did the challenge test my son is high on tin, lead, and urine test before

and after chelation. The numbers after 5 rounds (urine toxic metal test from

Doctors Data) have gone down lead is in normal range. Do I continue with DMSA or

just do ALA only, or both?

3. What is the right dose now for both DMSA and ALA, now that previously my son

took 400mg, do I start at the lowest level for DMSA 1/8 or 1/2, or somewhere in

the middle? How about ALA, which he did not get before?

4. Currently my son takes magnesium glycinate, cod liver oil, pro omega, calcium

and D3. During the chelation he started to wet his bed again, humming with a

loud voice, stemming, hyper, executive functioning got worse, confused. He also

has low muscle tone. What other other supplements do you suggest that I add?

Thank you in advance for your time.

[Guest guest]

Pam, Irene and TJ- Thank you so much for sharing your knowledge with me! I love

being part of this group, and it helps so much in terms of not feeling you are

all alone in this fight.

I am struggling with where to buy all what is recommended. Where can I buy a

good high count probiotics?

Kirkman sells the lowest dose of ALA, but did not find DMSA on their site,

On vrp.com is R(Lipoc Acid 50mg) the ALA? They have 25mg DMSA so I will buy it

from them.

What is the starting dose for GSE, biotin, and milk thistle, where can I buy

those online?

Do most people buy their supplements from multiple sources. Is there a good

place where I can buy what I am looking for and with high quality. Sorry for all

these questions, I am new into this and I do feel very overwhelmed.

Thank you, thank you!

>

> - No need to do a hair test. That is only to find out if he is toxic.

> - We use DMSA and ALA, they work together if you child can tolerate both.

> - The starting dose is usually around 1/8mg per pound for both ALA and

DMSA and you can work up from there. There is also some practicality to

consider as far splitting up capsules. Don't know his weight.

> - Make sure you give lots of Vitamin C and E when chelating because it causes

oxidative stress. Magnesium helps with comfort. The behavior you describe could

be from the re-distribution from the high infrequent doses or aslo from yeast,

probably both. You will need a yeast protocol like Grapefruit Seed Extract and

Biotin as well as probiotics.

> TJ

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: mimoza_mali <m.mat31@...>

>

> Sent: Mon, April 5, 2010 7:57:03 AM

> Subject: [ ] Please help-Switching from DAN chelation protocol to

AC protocol

>

>  

> After 5 rounds of DAN protocol with 400mg DMSA every 8 hours for my 11 year

old son, 110 lbs, I stopped and took two months off to educate myself by reading

this board and just ordered Andy's books. Now I am ready and have a few

questions.

>

> 1. Do I still need to do a hair test, even though I know he has toxins in his

body?

>

> 2. We did the challenge test my son is high on tin, lead, and urine test

before and after chelation. The numbers after 5 rounds (urine toxic metal test

from Doctors Data) have gone down lead is in normal range. Do I continue with

DMSA or just do ALA only, or both?

>

> 3. What is the right dose now for both DMSA and ALA, now that previously my

son took 400mg, do I start at the lowest level for DMSA 1/8 or 1/2, or somewhere

in the middle? How about ALA, which he did not get before?

>

> 4. Currently my son takes magnesium glycinate, cod liver oil, pro omega,

calcium and D3. During the chelation he started to wet his bed again, humming

with a loud voice, stemming, hyper, executive functioning got worse, confused.

He also has low muscle tone. What other other supplements do you suggest that I

add?

>

> Thank you in advance for your time.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

mimoza_mali wrote:

>

> Pam, Irene and TJ- Thank you so much for sharing your knowledge with

> me! I love being part of this group, and it helps so much in terms of

> not feeling you are all alone in this fight.

>

> I am struggling with where to buy all what is recommended. Where can I

> buy a good high count probiotics?

> Kirkman sells the lowest dose of ALA, but did not find DMSA on their site,

> On vrp.com is R(Lipoc Acid 50mg) the ALA?

>

No you want regular ALA, not just the R-ALA. Kirkman's 25mg caps are good.

> They have 25mg DMSA so I will buy it from them.

>

> What is the starting dose for GSE, biotin, and milk thistle, where can

> I buy those online?

>

GSE work up from one drop.

http://www.vitacost.com/NutriBiotic-GSE-Liquid-Concentrate-Grapefruit-Seed-Extra\

ct

Biotin work up to 30 mg

http://www.vitacost.com/NSI-Biotin

Milk thistle up to 750 mg silymarin per day in divided doses

http://www.vitaminshoppe.com/store/en/browse/sku_detail.jsp?id=VS-1725

>

> Do most people buy their supplements from multiple sources. Is there a

> good place where I can buy what I am looking for and with high

> quality. Sorry for all these questions, I am new into this and I do

> feel very overwhelmed.

>

> Thank you, thank you!

>

>

> >

> > - No need to do a hair test. That is only to find out if he is toxic.

> > - We use DMSA and ALA, they work together if you child can tolerate

> both.

> > - The starting dose is usually around 1/8mg per pound for both ALA

> and DMSAÂ and you can work up from there. There is also some

> practicality to consider as far splitting up capsules. Don't know his

> weight.

> > - Make sure you give lots of Vitamin C and E when chelating because

> it causes oxidative stress. Magnesium helps with comfort. The behavior

> you describe could be from the re-distribution from the high

> infrequent doses or aslo from yeast, probably both. You will need a

> yeast protocol like Grapefruit Seed Extract and Biotin as well as

> probiotics.

> > TJ

> >

> >

> >

> > ________________________________

> > From: mimoza_mali <m.mat31@...>

> >

> <mailto: %40>

> > Sent: Mon, April 5, 2010 7:57:03 AM

> > Subject: [ ] Please help-Switching from DAN chelation

> protocol to AC protocol

> >

> > Â

> > After 5 rounds of DAN protocol with 400mg DMSA every 8 hours for my

> 11 year old son, 110 lbs, I stopped and took two months off to educate

> myself by reading this board and just ordered Andy's books. Now I am

> ready and have a few questions.

> >

> > 1. Do I still need to do a hair test, even though I know he has

> toxins in his body?

> >

> > 2. We did the challenge test my son is high on tin, lead, and urine

> test before and after chelation. The numbers after 5 rounds (urine

> toxic metal test from Doctors Data) have gone down lead is in normal

> range. Do I continue with DMSA or just do ALA only, or both?

> >

> > 3. What is the right dose now for both DMSA and ALA, now that

> previously my son took 400mg, do I start at the lowest level for DMSA

> 1/8 or 1/2, or somewhere in the middle? How about ALA, which he did

> not get before?

> >

> > 4. Currently my son takes magnesium glycinate, cod liver oil, pro

> omega, calcium and D3. During the chelation he started to wet his bed

> again, humming with a loud voice, stemming, hyper, executive

> functioning got worse, confused. He also has low muscle tone. What

> other other supplements do you suggest that I add?

> >

> > Thank you in advance for your time.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

We get a lot of our stuff from vitacost.com.

Kirkmans has better quality, but the prices are higher as well. You get what you

pay for.

TJ

________________________________

From: mimoza_mali <m.mat31@...>

Sent: Mon, April 5, 2010 2:24:29 PM

Subject: [ ] Re: Please help-Switching from DAN chelation protocol

to AC protocol

 

Pam, Irene and TJ- Thank you so much for sharing your knowledge with me! I love

being part of this group, and it helps so much in terms of not feeling you are

all alone in this fight.

I am struggling with where to buy all what is recommended. Where can I buy a

good high count probiotics?

Kirkman sells the lowest dose of ALA, but did not find DMSA on their site,

On vrp.com is R(Lipoc Acid 50mg) the ALA? They have 25mg DMSA so I will buy it

from them.

What is the starting dose for GSE, biotin, and milk thistle, where can I buy

those online?

Do most people buy their supplements from multiple sources. Is there a good

place where I can buy what I am looking for and with high quality. Sorry for all

these questions, I am new into this and I do feel very overwhelmed.

Thank you, thank you!

>

> - No need to do a hair test. That is only to find out if he is toxic.

> - We use DMSA and ALA, they work together if you child can tolerate both.

> - The starting dose is usually around 1/8mg per pound for both ALA and

DMSA and you can work up from there. There is also some practicality to

consider as far splitting up capsules. Don't know his weight.

> - Make sure you give lots of Vitamin C and E when chelating because it causes

oxidative stress. Magnesium helps with comfort. The behavior you describe could

be from the re-distribution from the high infrequent doses or aslo from yeast,

probably both. You will need a yeast protocol like Grapefruit Seed Extract and

Biotin as well as probiotics.

> TJ

>

>

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> From: mimoza_mali <m.mat31@... >

>

> Sent: Mon, April 5, 2010 7:57:03 AM

> Subject: [ ] Please help-Switching from DAN chelation protocol to

AC protocol

>

>  

> After 5 rounds of DAN protocol with 400mg DMSA every 8 hours for my 11 year

old son, 110 lbs, I stopped and took two months off to educate myself by reading

this board and just ordered Andy's books. Now I am ready and have a few

questions.

>

> 1. Do I still need to do a hair test, even though I know he has toxins in his

body?

>

> 2. We did the challenge test my son is high on tin, lead, and urine test

before and after chelation. The numbers after 5 rounds (urine toxic metal test

from Doctors Data) have gone down lead is in normal range. Do I continue with

DMSA or just do ALA only, or both?

>

> 3. What is the right dose now for both DMSA and ALA, now that previously my

son took 400mg, do I start at the lowest level for DMSA 1/8 or 1/2, or somewhere

in the middle? How about ALA, which he did not get before?

>

> 4. Currently my son takes magnesium glycinate, cod liver oil, pro omega,

calcium and D3. During the chelation he started to wet his bed again, humming

with a loud voice, stemming, hyper, executive functioning got worse, confused.

He also has low muscle tone. What other other supplements do you suggest that I

add?

>

> Thank you in advance for your time.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

thanx TJ for your replay

________________________________

From: TJ Werth <tj_werth@...>

Sent: Mon, April 5, 2010 11:02:26 PM

Subject: Re: [ ] Please help-Switching from DAN chelation protocol

to AC protocol

 

Andy Cutler Protocol from his book Amalgam Illness.

Please read the FAQs of this group and also read about it in the files section.

TJ

____________ _________ _________ __

From: Abeer Abuassi <abeer.abuassi>

Sent: Mon, April 5, 2010 10:49:44 AM

Subject: Re: [ ] Please help-Switching from DAN chelation protocol

to AC protocol

 

can you please tell me what is AC protocol of chelation?

thanx

____________ _________ _________ __

From: TJ Werth <tj_werth (DOT) com>

Sent: Mon, April 5, 2010 7:04:13 PM

Subject: Re: [ ] Please help-Switching from DAN chelation protocol

to AC protocol

 

- No need to do a hair test. That is only to find out if he is toxic.

- We use DMSA and ALA, they work together if you child can tolerate both.

- The starting dose is usually around 1/8mg per pound for both ALA and DMSA and

you can work up from there. There is also some practicality to consider as far

splitting up capsules. Don't know his weight.

- Make sure you give lots of Vitamin C and E when chelating because it causes

oxidative stress. Magnesium helps with comfort. The behavior you describe could

be from the re-distribution from the high infrequent doses or aslo from yeast,

probably both. You will need a yeast protocol like Grapefruit Seed Extract and

Biotin as well as probiotics.

TJ

____________ _________ _________ __

From: mimoza_mali <m.mat31gmail (DOT) com>

Sent: Mon, April 5, 2010 7:57:03 AM

Subject: [ ] Please help-Switching from DAN chelation protocol to

AC protocol

 

After 5 rounds of DAN protocol with 400mg DMSA every 8 hours for my 11 year old

son, 110 lbs, I stopped and took two months off to educate myself by reading

this board and just ordered Andy's books. Now I am ready and have a few

questions.

1. Do I still need to do a hair test, even though I know he has toxins in his

body?

2. We did the challenge test my son is high on tin, lead, and urine test before

and after chelation. The numbers after 5 rounds (urine toxic metal test from

Doctors Data) have gone down lead is in normal range. Do I continue with DMSA or

just do ALA only, or both?

3. What is the right dose now for both DMSA and ALA, now that previously my son

took 400mg, do I start at the lowest level for DMSA 1/8 or 1/2, or somewhere in

the middle? How about ALA, which he did not get before?

4. Currently my son takes magnesium glycinate, cod liver oil, pro omega, calcium

and D3. During the chelation he started to wet his bed again, humming with a

loud voice, stemming, hyper, executive functioning got worse, confused. He also

has low muscle tone. What other other supplements do you suggest that I add?

Thank you in advance for your time.

[Guest guest]

yes thera is a good one i have experiance with it.

 

________________________________

From: mimoza_mali <m.mat31@...>

Sent: Mon, April 5, 2010 11:24:29 PM

Subject: [ ] Re: Please help-Switching from DAN chelation protocol

to AC protocol

 

Pam, Irene and TJ- Thank you so much for sharing your knowledge with me! I love

being part of this group, and it helps so much in terms of not feeling you are

all alone in this fight.

I am struggling with where to buy all what is recommended. Where can I buy a

good high count probiotics?

Kirkman sells the lowest dose of ALA, but did not find DMSA on their site,

On vrp.com is R(Lipoc Acid 50mg) the ALA? They have 25mg DMSA so I will buy it

from them.

What is the starting dose for GSE, biotin, and milk thistle, where can I buy

those online?

Do most people buy their supplements from multiple sources. Is there a good

place where I can buy what I am looking for and with high quality. Sorry for all

these questions, I am new into this and I do feel very overwhelmed.

Thank you, thank you!

>

> - No need to do a hair test. That is only to find out if he is toxic.

> - We use DMSA and ALA, they work together if you child can tolerate both.

> - The starting dose is usually around 1/8mg per pound for both ALA and

DMSA and you can work up from there. There is also some practicality to

consider as far splitting up capsules. Don't know his weight.

> - Make sure you give lots of Vitamin C and E when chelating because it causes

oxidative stress. Magnesium helps with comfort. The behavior you describe could

be from the re-distribution from the high infrequent doses or aslo from yeast,

probably both. You will need a yeast protocol like Grapefruit Seed Extract and

Biotin as well as probiotics.

> TJ

>

>

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> From: mimoza_mali <m.mat31@... >

>

> Sent: Mon, April 5, 2010 7:57:03 AM

> Subject: [ ] Please help-Switching from DAN chelation protocol to

AC protocol

>

>  

> After 5 rounds of DAN protocol with 400mg DMSA every 8 hours for my 11 year

old son, 110 lbs, I stopped and took two months off to educate myself by reading

this board and just ordered Andy's books. Now I am ready and have a few

questions.

>

> 1. Do I still need to do a hair test, even though I know he has toxins in his

body?

>

> 2. We did the challenge test my son is high on tin, lead, and urine test

before and after chelation. The numbers after 5 rounds (urine toxic metal test

from Doctors Data) have gone down lead is in normal range. Do I continue with

DMSA or just do ALA only, or both?

>

> 3. What is the right dose now for both DMSA and ALA, now that previously my

son took 400mg, do I start at the lowest level for DMSA 1/8 or 1/2, or somewhere

in the middle? How about ALA, which he did not get before?

>

> 4. Currently my son takes magnesium glycinate, cod liver oil, pro omega,

calcium and D3. During the chelation he started to wet his bed again, humming

with a loud voice, stemming, hyper, executive functioning got worse, confused.

He also has low muscle tone. What other other supplements do you suggest that I

add?

>

> Thank you in advance for your time.

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[Guest guest]

in Egypt we only have krikman and new beginning they are very expensive

her, i am using new beginning products for my son and i wish you to advice me

which is better krikman or new beginning??? please advice

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From: TJ Werth <tj_werth@...>

Sent: Tue, April 6, 2010 12:36:48 AM

Subject: Re: [ ] Re: Please help-Switching from DAN chelation

protocol to AC protocol

 

We get a lot of our stuff from vitacost.com.

Kirkmans has better quality, but the prices are higher as well. You get what you

pay for.

TJ

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From: mimoza_mali <m.mat31gmail (DOT) com>

Sent: Mon, April 5, 2010 2:24:29 PM

Subject: [ ] Re: Please help-Switching from DAN chelation protocol

to AC protocol

 

Pam, Irene and TJ- Thank you so much for sharing your knowledge with me! I love

being part of this group, and it helps so much in terms of not feeling you are

all alone in this fight.

I am struggling with where to buy all what is recommended. Where can I buy a

good high count probiotics?

Kirkman sells the lowest dose of ALA, but did not find DMSA on their site,

On vrp.com is R(Lipoc Acid 50mg) the ALA? They have 25mg DMSA so I will buy it

from them.

What is the starting dose for GSE, biotin, and milk thistle, where can I buy

those online?

Do most people buy their supplements from multiple sources. Is there a good

place where I can buy what I am looking for and with high quality. Sorry for all

these questions, I am new into this and I do feel very overwhelmed.

Thank you, thank you!

>

> - No need to do a hair test. That is only to find out if he is toxic.

> - We use DMSA and ALA, they work together if you child can tolerate both.

> - The starting dose is usually around 1/8mg per pound for both ALA and

DMSA and you can work up from there. There is also some practicality to

consider as far splitting up capsules. Don't know his weight.

> - Make sure you give lots of Vitamin C and E when chelating because it causes

oxidative stress. Magnesium helps with comfort. The behavior you describe could

be from the re-distribution from the high infrequent doses or aslo from yeast,

probably both. You will need a yeast protocol like Grapefruit Seed Extract and

Biotin as well as probiotics.

> TJ

>

>

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> From: mimoza_mali <m.mat31@... >

>

> Sent: Mon, April 5, 2010 7:57:03 AM

> Subject: [ ] Please help-Switching from DAN chelation protocol to

AC protocol

>

>  

> After 5 rounds of DAN protocol with 400mg DMSA every 8 hours for my 11 year

old son, 110 lbs, I stopped and took two months off to educate myself by reading

this board and just ordered Andy's books. Now I am ready and have a few

questions.

>

> 1. Do I still need to do a hair test, even though I know he has toxins in his

body?

>

> 2. We did the challenge test my son is high on tin, lead, and urine test

before and after chelation. The numbers after 5 rounds (urine toxic metal test

from Doctors Data) have gone down lead is in normal range. Do I continue with

DMSA or just do ALA only, or both?

>

> 3. What is the right dose now for both DMSA and ALA, now that previously my

son took 400mg, do I start at the lowest level for DMSA 1/8 or 1/2, or somewhere

in the middle? How about ALA, which he did not get before?

>

> 4. Currently my son takes magnesium glycinate, cod liver oil, pro omega,

calcium and D3. During the chelation he started to wet his bed again, humming

with a loud voice, stemming, hyper, executive functioning got worse, confused.

He also has low muscle tone. What other other supplements do you suggest that I

add?

>

> Thank you in advance for your time.

>

>

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[Guest guest]

We use both. If its a chewable supplement, we prefer New Beginnings because they

dont sweeten thier stuff with Splenda. Splenda reduces the effectiveness of

probiotics.

We also dont use Super NuThera Multi-Vitamin from Kirkmans. It makes our son

way too hyper.

Other than that, we've generally had good experiences using both.

Karla

> >

> > - No need to do a hair test. That is only to find out if he is toxic.

> > - We use DMSA and ALA, they work together if you child can tolerate both.

> > - The starting dose is usually around 1/8mg per pound for both ALA and

DMSA and you can work up from there. There is also some practicality to

consider as far splitting up capsules. Don't know his weight.

> > - Make sure you give lots of Vitamin C and E when chelating because it

causes oxidative stress. Magnesium helps with comfort. The behavior you describe

could be from the re-distribution from the high infrequent doses or aslo from

yeast, probably both. You will need a yeast protocol like Grapefruit Seed

Extract and Biotin as well as probiotics.

> > TJ

> >

> >

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > From: mimoza_mali <m.mat31@ >

> >

> > Sent: Mon, April 5, 2010 7:57:03 AM

> > Subject: [ ] Please help-Switching from DAN chelation protocol

to AC protocol

> >

> >  

> > After 5 rounds of DAN protocol with 400mg DMSA every 8 hours for my 11 year

old son, 110 lbs, I stopped and took two months off to educate myself by reading

this board and just ordered Andy's books. Now I am ready and have a few

questions.

> >

> > 1. Do I still need to do a hair test, even though I know he has toxins in

his body?

> >

> > 2. We did the challenge test my son is high on tin, lead, and urine test

before and after chelation. The numbers after 5 rounds (urine toxic metal test

from Doctors Data) have gone down lead is in normal range. Do I continue with

DMSA or just do ALA only, or both?

> >

> > 3. What is the right dose now for both DMSA and ALA, now that previously my

son took 400mg, do I start at the lowest level for DMSA 1/8 or 1/2, or somewhere

in the middle? How about ALA, which he did not get before?

> >

> > 4. Currently my son takes magnesium glycinate, cod liver oil, pro omega,

calcium and D3. During the chelation he started to wet his bed again, humming

with a loud voice, stemming, hyper, executive functioning got worse, confused.

He also has low muscle tone. What other other supplements do you suggest that I

add?

> >

> > Thank you in advance for your time.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I like vitacost for biotin and milk thistle, vit C. Milk thistle by

nutraceutical is 600 mg, nice strength I think for my 130 lb guy and me. A vit

C at 1000 mg, nice! I bought the wrong strength last time but think you can get

a nice high biotin.

Don't get the R-ALA. Go with Kirkman. Sign up with with Kirkman and like this

month, get $25 off a $100 order. That's when I order. My guy with severe food

allergies, does great on their stuff.

Yeap, vrp for DMSA. Getbigger.com for enzymedica enzymes, free shipping if over

a certain amount.

Tammy

[ ] Please help-Switching from DAN chelation protocol

to AC protocol

>

> Â

> After 5 rounds of DAN protocol with 400mg DMSA every 8 hours for my 11 year

old son, 110 lbs, I stopped and took two months off to educate myself by reading

this board and just ordered Andy's books. Now I am ready and have a few

questions.

>

> 1. Do I still need to do a hair test, even though I know he has toxins in

his body?

>

> 2. We did the challenge test my son is high on tin, lead, and urine test

before and after chelation. The numbers after 5 rounds (urine toxic metal test

from Doctors Data) have gone down lead is in normal range. Do I continue with

DMSA or just do ALA only, or both?

>

> 3. What is the right dose now for both DMSA and ALA, now that previously my

son took 400mg, do I start at the lowest level for DMSA 1/8 or 1/2, or somewhere

in the middle? How about ALA, which he did not get before?

>

> 4. Currently my son takes magnesium glycinate, cod liver oil, pro omega,

calcium and D3. During the chelation he started to wet his bed again, humming

with a loud voice, stemming, hyper, executive functioning got worse, confused.

He also has low muscle tone. What other other supplements do you suggest that I

add?

>

> Thank you in advance for your time.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

>>During the chelation he started to wet his bed again, humming with a loud

voice, stemming, hyper, executive functioning got worse, confused.

Those were yeast symptoms for my son

http://www.danasview.net/yeast.htm

>>He also has low muscle tone.

Carnitine helped my son with this issue.

Dana

[Guest guest]

Here's what works for us.

Kirkman

Cod Liver Oil Soft Gels (does have soy). Kid is much happier taking the gels as

opposed to the liquid.

Melatonin-only chewable we use. Sweetened with sorbitol.

Mito Cell Support. Only thing that eliminated ammonia smelling BMs.

Multi Mineral Support. Worked well, but when we switched from SNT to Syndion

SF, we dropped it as Syndion is Multi-Vitamin/Mineral Supp.

CoQ10, DMAE, and Sacc B.

New Beginnings

Calcium Citrate w/Magnesium Chewable and Vitamin C Chewable.

Acetyl Carnitine.

The other supplements are a mix. Alot of NOW Brand and Puritans. Enzymes are a

mix of Houston (Trienza and No Fenol) and Enzymedica Virastop and Candidase.

Lots and Lots of Probiotics from multiple sources.

Karla

> > >

> > > - No need to do a hair test. That is only to find out if he is toxic.

> > > - We use DMSA and ALA, they work together if you child can tolerate both.

> > > - The starting dose is usually around 1/8mg per pound for both ALA and

DMSA and you can work up from there. There is also some practicality to

consider as far splitting up capsules. Don't know his weight.

> > > - Make sure you give lots of Vitamin C and E when chelating because it

causes oxidative stress. Magnesium helps with comfort. The behavior you describe

could be from the re-distribution from the high infrequent doses or aslo from

yeast, probably both. You will need a yeast protocol like Grapefruit Seed

Extract and Biotin as well as probiotics.

> > > TJ

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > From: mimoza_mali <m.mat31@ >

> > >

> > > Sent: Mon, April 5, 2010 7:57:03 AM

> > > Subject: [ ] Please help-Switching from DAN chelation

protocol to AC protocol

> > >

> > >  

> > > After 5 rounds of DAN protocol with 400mg DMSA every 8 hours for my 11

year old son, 110 lbs, I stopped and took two months off to educate myself by

reading this board and just ordered Andy's books. Now I am ready and have a few

questions.

> > >

> > > 1. Do I still need to do a hair test, even though I know he has toxins in

his body?

> > >

> > > 2. We did the challenge test my son is high on tin, lead, and urine test

before and after chelation. The numbers after 5 rounds (urine toxic metal test

from Doctors Data) have gone down lead is in normal range. Do I continue with

DMSA or just do ALA only, or both?

> > >

> > > 3. What is the right dose now for both DMSA and ALA, now that previously

my son took 400mg, do I start at the lowest level for DMSA 1/8 or 1/2, or

somewhere in the middle? How about ALA, which he did not get before?

> > >

> > > 4. Currently my son takes magnesium glycinate, cod liver oil, pro omega,

calcium and D3. During the chelation he started to wet his bed again, humming

with a loud voice, stemming, hyper, executive functioning got worse, confused.

He also has low muscle tone. What other other supplements do you suggest that I

add?

> > >

> > > Thank you in advance for your time.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Karla

Could you please post who produces the mito cell support you give to your kid?

How much do you give?

TIA

Isa

Enviado desde mi oficina móvil BlackBerry® de Telcel

[ ] Please help-Switching from DAN chelation

protocol to AC protocol

> > >

> > >  

> > > After 5 rounds of DAN protocol with 400mg DMSA every 8 hours for my 11

year old son, 110 lbs, I stopped and took two months off to educate myself by

reading this board and just ordered Andy's books. Now I am ready and have a few

questions.

> > >

> > > 1. Do I still need to do a hair test, even though I know he has toxins in

his body?

> > >

> > > 2. We did the challenge test my son is high on tin, lead, and urine test

before and after chelation. The numbers after 5 rounds (urine toxic metal test

from Doctors Data) have gone down lead is in normal range. Do I continue with

DMSA or just do ALA only, or both?

> > >

> > > 3. What is the right dose now for both DMSA and ALA, now that previously

my son took 400mg, do I start at the lowest level for DMSA 1/8 or 1/2, or

somewhere in the middle? How about ALA, which he did not get before?

> > >

> > > 4. Currently my son takes magnesium glycinate, cod liver oil, pro omega,

calcium and D3. During the chelation he started to wet his bed again, humming

with a loud voice, stemming, hyper, executive functioning got worse, confused.

He also has low muscle tone. What other other supplements do you suggest that I

add?

> > >

> > > Thank you in advance for your time.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Mito Cell Support is from Kirkmans. The directions are to give 2 in the morning

and two in the evening (with or without meals). We give 1 capsule twice a day.

Karla

> > > >

> > > > - No need to do a hair test. That is only to find out if he is toxic.

> > > > - We use DMSA and ALA, they work together if you child can tolerate

both.

> > > > - The starting dose is usually around 1/8mg per pound for both ALA and

DMSA and you can work up from there. There is also some practicality to

consider as far splitting up capsules. Don't know his weight.

> > > > - Make sure you give lots of Vitamin C and E when chelating because it

causes oxidative stress. Magnesium helps with comfort. The behavior you describe

could be from the re-distribution from the high infrequent doses or aslo from

yeast, probably both. You will need a yeast protocol like Grapefruit Seed

Extract and Biotin as well as probiotics.

> > > > TJ

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >________________________________

> > > > From: mimoza_mali <m.mat31@ >

> > > >

> > > > Sent: Mon, April 5, 2010 7:57:03 AM

> > > > Subject: [ ] Please help-Switching from DAN chelation

protocol to AC protocol

> > > >

> > > >  

> > > > After 5 rounds of DAN protocol with 400mg DMSA every 8 hours for my 11

year old son, 110 lbs, I stopped and took two months off to educate myself by

reading this board and just ordered Andy's books. Now I am ready and have a few

questions.

> > > >

> > > > 1. Do I still need to do a hair test, even though I know he has toxins

in his body?

> > > >

> > > > 2. We did the challenge test my son is high on tin, lead, and urine test

before and after chelation. The numbers after 5 rounds (urine toxic metal test

from Doctors Data) have gone down lead is in normal range. Do I continue with

DMSA or just do ALA only, or both?

> > > >

> > > > 3. What is the right dose now for both DMSA and ALA, now that previously

my son took 400mg, do I start at the lowest level for DMSA 1/8 or 1/2, or

somewhere in the middle? How about ALA, which he did not get before?

> > > >

> > > > 4. Currently my son takes magnesium glycinate, cod liver oil, pro omega,

calcium and D3. During the chelation he started to wet his bed again, humming

with a loud voice, stemming, hyper, executive functioning got worse, confused.

He also has low muscle tone. What other other supplements do you suggest that I

add?

> > > >

> > > > Thank you in advance for your time.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >