Re: I mean Cilantro chelation---Raw goat milk

[Guest guest]

Hey, where do you get raw goat milk? And does raw goat milk help your son

recover from autism? Iam curious.

Sincerely,

Rei

From: Crystal Palmer-Bull <cpalmerbull@...>

Subject: RE: [ ] Re: I mean Cilantro chelation

Date: Thursday, July 1, 2010, 8:11 PM

 

Things like that happen all the time.. impossible right ... wrong. My son

was dx with autism.. it was real. but now he recovered . they say oh must

not have been autism..

My dad had some health issues and was getting checked out they did some scan

of his liver and said get your affairs in order you have end stage liver

cancer yadda yadda. well My dad is still here and that was 20 years ago.

turned out they were non cancer cysts on his liver .

The medical community doesn't know crap most of the time and therefore it

makes even more of these stories.

You can say you don't believe me when my son looked me in the eye

(sustainably ) for the 1st time just hours after dinking his 1st cup of RAW

goat milk. you can say you don't believe me . that's fine . my kid is

healthy and flourishing, reading and writing, singing and dancing and

playing baseball and is very popular. You don't have to believe me but you

should.

From: [mailto: ]

On Behalf Of andrewhallcutler

Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 7:21 PM

Subject: [ ] Re: I mean Cilantro chelation

> We read a story about a study that eat " freshly chopped cilantro only 0.25

cup per day " ( which is not much), mixed with a bowl of fresh salad, I like

to sprinkle them on top of my entree (stew meat or fish), for 3 weeks

straight ( 0.25 cup of fresh chopped cilantro), and that made an autistic

boy starting to talk.

This kind of silliness reminds me of the news story in the 1980's about the

guy diagnosed with inoperable brain cancer and sent home to die. He didn't

like how it was going so he shot himself in the head.

Someone called 911, they rushed him to the emergency room and saved him, and

also found out the bullet had blown out the tumor and cured his cancer!

I always thought of that as God reminding the surgeon of who really could

perform miracles :-)

However, shooting yourself in the head to try to cure your cancer based on

this story makes more sense than most of what I see on the net about " and

that autistic boy XXXXX. " At least the cancer story is actually true, when

I've looked into these other stories they often are not.

The ones that are fall under the umbrella that if you do something random to

enough people, one of them will end up exhibiting whatever phenomenon you

are looking for totally by chance.

It's like the silly ads on my computer screen all the time " Tacoma Mom lost

43 pounds following one simple rule! " Etc.

If you care about your kid at all, take responsibility and think things

through. Comments like " it's just food, it must be safe! " are pretty silly

in light of how many people get food poisoning, and of things like

Lathyrism, a disease where eating a certain kind of pea causes paralysis in

many people.

You don't want some possibly made up story about somebody got better once

(maybe) doing something wonderful and easy.

You want lots of concrete, factual information, presented in a way you can

check for yourself and understand it well, that is clearly related to your

kid's situation. It should come from a credible source that has been saying

the same thing for a while, not a different random thing every year or two.

Whether or not this goes along with your personal worldview, or is too

conservative, your kid deserves nothing less than you taking some personal

responsibility to really figure out if what you are going to do for them is

a good idea or not. Remember, they got turned autistic because you didn't do

that - but that time it was a lot easier to excuse since there was this

whole institution of people pretending to great expertise that were telling

you made up lies about the safety of vaccines and the lack of any connection

between them and autism.

Andy

http://www.noamalgam.com/index.html

Amalgam Illness: Diagnosis and Treatment

http://www.noamalgam.com/hairtestbook.html

Hair Test Interpretation: Finding Hidden Toxicities

http://www.noamalgam.com/nourishinghope.html

Nourishing Hope for Autism: Nutrition Intervention for Healing Our Children

http://www.noamalgam.com/biologicaltreatments.html

Biological Treatments for Autism and PDD

[Guest guest]

We obtained our own dwarf Nigerian goats.. they are like 22inches tall and give

a 1-2 qts a day.

Raw milk is hard to find in some states easier in others depending on the laws.

It’s easy if you ask around to farmers. They are esp helpful to heal a sick

child… most farmers go into it to feed and heal people unlike agribusiness.

It has to be RAW

Goat milk is very high in medium chain fatty acids and they are extremely

healthy , also the high butterfat fat helps the insulate of the nerves, the B

‘s are great in it but it is the naturally occurring probiotics and enzymes

that make it special… in my opinion. Ferment RAW goat milk with kefir and it

doubles the folic acid and the b vitamins. These are naturally occurring

vitamins not synthetic versions. As someone with the MTHFR mutation I know that

synthetic b’s are very bad for me and that my body processes the natural form

much much better.. It may be something like that for him too.

I will not pretend that what helped my son will help your children but I post

here when I have a recovered child because I feel a MORAL OBLIGATION.

Check out FB page Crystal Palmer Bull and see the video’s I posted of s

kindergarten graduation… he was the star of the show… he is the tall blonde,

front and center with the crew cut…. This is the same kid that 2 ½ years ago

spent the majority of his day making patterns on carpet and he had lost all of

his speech and eye contact . LOOK at him NOW . was diagnosed pervasive

developmental disorder, you would not know

Feel free to check it out

From: [mailto: ] On

Behalf Of Rei

Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 9:15 PM

Subject: RE: [ ] Re: I mean Cilantro chelation---Raw goat milk

Hey, where do you get raw goat milk? And does raw goat milk help your son

recover from autism? Iam curious.

Sincerely,

Rei

From: Crystal Palmer-Bull <cpalmerbull@...

<mailto:cpalmerbull%40crystalimagingstudio.net> >

Subject: RE: [ ] Re: I mean Cilantro chelation

<mailto: %40>

Date: Thursday, July 1, 2010, 8:11 PM

Things like that happen all the time.. impossible right ... wrong. My son

was dx with autism.. it was real. but now he recovered . they say oh must

not have been autism..

My dad had some health issues and was getting checked out they did some scan

of his liver and said get your affairs in order you have end stage liver

cancer yadda yadda. well My dad is still here and that was 20 years ago.

turned out they were non cancer cysts on his liver .

The medical community doesn't know crap most of the time and therefore it

makes even more of these stories.

You can say you don't believe me when my son looked me in the eye

(sustainably ) for the 1st time just hours after dinking his 1st cup of RAW

goat milk. you can say you don't believe me . that's fine . my kid is

healthy and flourishing, reading and writing, singing and dancing and

playing baseball and is very popular. You don't have to believe me but you

should.

From: <mailto: %40>

[mailto: <mailto: %40>

]

On Behalf Of andrewhallcutler

Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 7:21 PM

<mailto: %40>

Subject: [ ] Re: I mean Cilantro chelation

> We read a story about a study that eat " freshly chopped cilantro only 0.25

cup per day " ( which is not much), mixed with a bowl of fresh salad, I like

to sprinkle them on top of my entree (stew meat or fish), for 3 weeks

straight ( 0.25 cup of fresh chopped cilantro), and that made an autistic

boy starting to talk.

This kind of silliness reminds me of the news story in the 1980's about the

guy diagnosed with inoperable brain cancer and sent home to die. He didn't

like how it was going so he shot himself in the head.

Someone called 911, they rushed him to the emergency room and saved him, and

also found out the bullet had blown out the tumor and cured his cancer!

I always thought of that as God reminding the surgeon of who really could

perform miracles :-)

However, shooting yourself in the head to try to cure your cancer based on

this story makes more sense than most of what I see on the net about " and

that autistic boy XXXXX. " At least the cancer story is actually true, when

I've looked into these other stories they often are not.

The ones that are fall under the umbrella that if you do something random to

enough people, one of them will end up exhibiting whatever phenomenon you

are looking for totally by chance.

It's like the silly ads on my computer screen all the time " Tacoma Mom lost

43 pounds following one simple rule! " Etc.

If you care about your kid at all, take responsibility and think things

through. Comments like " it's just food, it must be safe! " are pretty silly

in light of how many people get food poisoning, and of things like

Lathyrism, a disease where eating a certain kind of pea causes paralysis in

many people.

You don't want some possibly made up story about somebody got better once

(maybe) doing something wonderful and easy.

You want lots of concrete, factual information, presented in a way you can

check for yourself and understand it well, that is clearly related to your

kid's situation. It should come from a credible source that has been saying

the same thing for a while, not a different random thing every year or two.

Whether or not this goes along with your personal worldview, or is too

conservative, your kid deserves nothing less than you taking some personal

responsibility to really figure out if what you are going to do for them is

a good idea or not. Remember, they got turned autistic because you didn't do

that - but that time it was a lot easier to excuse since there was this

whole institution of people pretending to great expertise that were telling

you made up lies about the safety of vaccines and the lack of any connection

between them and autism.

Andy

http://www.noamalgam.com/index.html

Amalgam Illness: Diagnosis and Treatment

http://www.noamalgam.com/hairtestbook.html

Hair Test Interpretation: Finding Hidden Toxicities

http://www.noamalgam.com/nourishinghope.html

Nourishing Hope for Autism: Nutrition Intervention for Healing Our Children

http://www.noamalgam.com/biologicaltreatments.html

Biological Treatments for Autism and PDD

[Guest guest]

It is amazing. We live in Texas, students here are encouraged to raise farm

animals such as sheep, goats, steers, cows, horses..I know I can buy a goat with

couple of hundreds and we have a barn down the road where we can have the

goat lodge there..This sounds so crazy but making sense. Where can we see the

picture or the video of your son?

Sincerely,

Rei

From: Crystal Palmer-Bull <cpalmerbull@...

<mailto:cpalmerbull%40crystalimagingstudio.net> >

Subject: RE: [ ] Re: I mean Cilantro chelation

<mailto: %40>

Date: Thursday, July 1, 2010, 8:11 PM

Things like that happen all the time.. impossible right ... wrong. My son

was dx with autism.. it was real. but now he recovered . they say oh must

not have been autism..

My dad had some health issues and was getting checked out they did some scan

of his liver and said get your affairs in order you have end stage liver

cancer yadda yadda. well My dad is still here and that was 20 years ago.

turned out they were non cancer cysts on his liver .

The medical community doesn't know crap most of the time and therefore it

makes even more of these stories.

You can say you don't believe me when my son looked me in the eye

(sustainably ) for the 1st time just hours after dinking his 1st cup of RAW

goat milk. you can say you don't believe me . that's fine . my kid is

healthy and flourishing, reading and writing, singing and dancing and

playing baseball and is very popular. You don't have to believe me but you

should.

From: <mailto: %40>

[mailto: <mailto: %40>

]

On Behalf Of andrewhallcutler

Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 7:21 PM

<mailto: %40>

Subject: [ ] Re: I mean Cilantro chelation

> We read a story about a study that eat " freshly chopped cilantro only 0.25

cup per day " ( which is not much), mixed with a bowl of fresh salad, I like

to sprinkle them on top of my entree (stew meat or fish), for 3 weeks

straight ( 0.25 cup of fresh chopped cilantro), and that made an autistic

boy starting to talk.

This kind of silliness reminds me of the news story in the 1980's about the

guy diagnosed with inoperable brain cancer and sent home to die. He didn't

like how it was going so he shot himself in the head.

Someone called 911, they rushed him to the emergency room and saved him, and

also found out the bullet had blown out the tumor and cured his cancer!

I always thought of that as God reminding the surgeon of who really could

perform miracles :-)

However, shooting yourself in the head to try to cure your cancer based on

this story makes more sense than most of what I see on the net about " and

that autistic boy XXXXX. " At least the cancer story is actually true, when

I've looked into these other stories they often are not.

The ones that are fall under the umbrella that if you do something random to

enough people, one of them will end up exhibiting whatever phenomenon you

are looking for totally by chance.

It's like the silly ads on my computer screen all the time " Tacoma Mom lost

43 pounds following one simple rule! " Etc.

If you care about your kid at all, take responsibility and think things

through. Comments like " it's just food, it must be safe! " are pretty silly

in light of how many people get food poisoning, and of things like

Lathyrism, a disease where eating a certain kind of pea causes paralysis in

many people.

You don't want some possibly made up story about somebody got better once

(maybe) doing something wonderful and easy.

You want lots of concrete, factual information, presented in a way you can

check for yourself and understand it well, that is clearly related to your

kid's situation. It should come from a credible source that has been saying

the same thing for a while, not a different random thing every year or two.

Whether or not this goes along with your personal worldview, or is too

conservative, your kid deserves nothing less than you taking some personal

responsibility to really figure out if what you are going to do for them is

a good idea or not. Remember, they got turned autistic because you didn't do

that - but that time it was a lot easier to excuse since there was this

whole institution of people pretending to great expertise that were telling

you made up lies about the safety of vaccines and the lack of any connection

between them and autism.

Andy

http://www.noamalgam.com/index.html

Amalgam Illness: Diagnosis and Treatment

http://www.noamalgam.com/hairtestbook.html

Hair Test Interpretation: Finding Hidden Toxicities

http://www.noamalgam.com/nourishinghope.html

Nourishing Hope for Autism: Nutrition Intervention for Healing Our Children

http://www.noamalgam.com/biologicaltreatments.html

Biological Treatments for Autism and PDD

[Guest guest]

Are you on FB? I opened my Facebook security settings so hopefully everyone can

access the video’s, you may not have to have Fb to see them .. try if they

don’t work I will try something else, maybe utube

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000255667946#!/video/video.php?v=13308\

1223377066

there is 2-3 videos there…

If goat milk does not work out what do you have to lose? .. some milk

That is the way my dr thought about it.. I knew she was skeptical but all along

she said with the supplements and the raw milk.. it won’t hurt him.. so what

do you have to lose? But now she is taking notes, and the schools special ed

director that once was my nemesis and fought me for services is NOW totally on

board. We are a poor community in upstate NY and they are very stingy and we

have a ton of sick kids being we live next to Larfarge cement plant the 4th

biggest polluter of mercury in the country. (we are moving as soon as hubby

passes his last architectural exam and gets his license and we can afford the

move) But now this special ed director wants all the details .. not that she

cares about healing kids but that she can keep her budget down… either way we

are both now on the same page .. even if for different reasons.

Oh used to get sick all the time.. every bug and selenium supplementing

has helped that.. but now the goat milk is so high in selenium we no longer need

that supplement either. I was sold on the use of selenium to boost ones immune

system(or correct I should say because autism is immune dysfunction more than

low or high functioning in my book)… but I was sold when the whole school was

out with swine flu and my normally sicky kid was one of three kids in his whole

class. Google selenium and Ebola.. the studies prove that with adequate trace

minerals like selenium the modern germ theory gets thrown out the door. I also

learned being a goat owner that most of the US is selenium deficient because of

acid rain and poor non sustainable farming practices etc.… have leached

the minerals from the soil. Goat owners are told to supplement with selenium or

their animals have all sorts of neurological / infectious problems… . The est.

loss of livestock in the US to selenium deficiency is about 500 million annually

… it’s a big problem I would say..so if the food chain is deficient SO are

we.

There is a ripple effect thru the food chain. Actually last week we were talking

in the car about Alfalfa going GMO and what that does to the food chain.. and

(5 yo) did not speak 2 years ago said Mom I know the food chain.. and I

was floored.. I said OK.. what is the food chain.. and he said water,

Plankton, little fish , big fish, , shark … ok not perfect but for a

kindergartner on the spectrum NOT BAD

I remember when I said I will just be happy if he can say MOM again.

The only real symptoms we still deal with is he still is a bit over sensory

ish… but nothing like the old days… now he just likes to rub his hard up and

down my arm if we sit together… not too bad. He gets 30 minutes of speech 3 x

a week .. and they said that would likely be taken away if he keeps on trucking

like he is. His report card is mostly 3’s the highest grade here at that

grade level(1,2, 3’s)1 needs improvement, 2 progressing and 3 is mastered

we keep our own goats mainly to have access to Raw milk.. NY makes it very hard

to get raw milk if you don’t own your own animals. You may want to try buying

it locally and if he responds then you invest… possible or maybe just keep

buying lol. Milking is not easy but it is worth it for when you see such good

results and so quickly. I would though pay if I had access to milk that was RAW

and non GMO grain fed(GMO corn and such have their own pesticide right with in

the plant). Also we stay away from gluten and soy so we feed our chickens and

goats as free from them as possible. We feed mostly alfalfa cubes, oats,

vitamins and minerals.

From: [mailto: ] On

Behalf Of Rei

Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 10:21 PM

Subject: RE: [ ] Re: I mean Cilantro chelation---Raw goat milk

It is amazing. We live in Texas, students here are encouraged to raise farm

animals such as sheep, goats, steers, cows, horses..I know I can buy a goat with

couple of hundreds and we have a barn down the road where we can have the goat

lodge there..This sounds so crazy but making sense. Where can we see the picture

or the video of your son?

Sincerely,

Rei

From: Crystal Palmer-Bull <cpalmerbull@...

<mailto:cpalmerbull%40crystalimagingstudio.net>

<mailto:cpalmerbull%40crystalimagingstudio.net> >

Subject: RE: [ ] Re: I mean Cilantro chelation

<mailto: %40>

<mailto: %40>

Date: Thursday, July 1, 2010, 8:11 PM

Things like that happen all the time.. impossible right ... wrong. My son

was dx with autism.. it was real. but now he recovered . they say oh must

not have been autism..

My dad had some health issues and was getting checked out they did some scan

of his liver and said get your affairs in order you have end stage liver

cancer yadda yadda. well My dad is still here and that was 20 years ago.

turned out they were non cancer cysts on his liver .

The medical community doesn't know crap most of the time and therefore it

makes even more of these stories.

You can say you don't believe me when my son looked me in the eye

(sustainably ) for the 1st time just hours after dinking his 1st cup of RAW

goat milk. you can say you don't believe me . that's fine . my kid is

healthy and flourishing, reading and writing, singing and dancing and

playing baseball and is very popular. You don't have to believe me but you

should.

From: <mailto: %40>

<mailto: %40> [mailto:

<mailto: %40>

<mailto: %40> ]

On Behalf Of andrewhallcutler

Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 7:21 PM

<mailto: %40>

<mailto: %40>

Subject: [ ] Re: I mean Cilantro chelation

> We read a story about a study that eat " freshly chopped cilantro only 0.25

cup per day " ( which is not much), mixed with a bowl of fresh salad, I like

to sprinkle them on top of my entree (stew meat or fish), for 3 weeks

straight ( 0.25 cup of fresh chopped cilantro), and that made an autistic

boy starting to talk.

This kind of silliness reminds me of the news story in the 1980's about the

guy diagnosed with inoperable brain cancer and sent home to die. He didn't

like how it was going so he shot himself in the head.

Someone called 911, they rushed him to the emergency room and saved him, and

also found out the bullet had blown out the tumor and cured his cancer!

I always thought of that as God reminding the surgeon of who really could

perform miracles :-)

However, shooting yourself in the head to try to cure your cancer based on

this story makes more sense than most of what I see on the net about " and

that autistic boy XXXXX. " At least the cancer story is actually true, when

I've looked into these other stories they often are not.

The ones that are fall under the umbrella that if you do something random to

enough people, one of them will end up exhibiting whatever phenomenon you

are looking for totally by chance.

It's like the silly ads on my computer screen all the time " Tacoma Mom lost

43 pounds following one simple rule! " Etc.

If you care about your kid at all, take responsibility and think things

through. Comments like " it's just food, it must be safe! " are pretty silly

in light of how many people get food poisoning, and of things like

Lathyrism, a disease where eating a certain kind of pea causes paralysis in

many people.

You don't want some possibly made up story about somebody got better once

(maybe) doing something wonderful and easy.

You want lots of concrete, factual information, presented in a way you can

check for yourself and understand it well, that is clearly related to your

kid's situation. It should come from a credible source that has been saying

the same thing for a while, not a different random thing every year or two.

Whether or not this goes along with your personal worldview, or is too

conservative, your kid deserves nothing less than you taking some personal

responsibility to really figure out if what you are going to do for them is

a good idea or not. Remember, they got turned autistic because you didn't do

that - but that time it was a lot easier to excuse since there was this

whole institution of people pretending to great expertise that were telling

you made up lies about the safety of vaccines and the lack of any connection

between them and autism.

Andy

http://www.noamalgam.com/index.html

Amalgam Illness: Diagnosis and Treatment

http://www.noamalgam.com/hairtestbook.html

Hair Test Interpretation: Finding Hidden Toxicities

http://www.noamalgam.com/nourishinghope.html

Nourishing Hope for Autism: Nutrition Intervention for Healing Our Children

http://www.noamalgam.com/biologicaltreatments.html

Biological Treatments for Autism and PDD

[Guest guest]

[ ] Re: I mean Cilantro chelation

> We read a story about a study that eat " freshly chopped cilantro only 0.25

cup per day " ( which is not much), mixed with a bowl of fresh salad, I like

to sprinkle them on top of my entree (stew meat or fish), for 3 weeks

straight ( 0.25 cup of fresh chopped cilantro), and that made an autistic

boy starting to talk.

This kind of silliness reminds me of the news story in the 1980's about the

guy diagnosed with inoperable brain cancer and sent home to die. He didn't

like how it was going so he shot himself in the head.

Someone called 911, they rushed him to the emergency room and saved him, and

also found out the bullet had blown out the tumor and cured his cancer!

I always thought of that as God reminding the surgeon of who really could

perform miracles :-)

However, shooting yourself in the head to try to cure your cancer based on

this story makes more sense than most of what I see on the net about " and

that autistic boy XXXXX. " At least the cancer story is actually true, when

I've looked into these other stories they often are not.

The ones that are fall under the umbrella that if you do something random to

enough people, one of them will end up exhibiting whatever phenomenon you

are looking for totally by chance.

It's like the silly ads on my computer screen all the time " Tacoma Mom lost

43 pounds following one simple rule! " Etc.

If you care about your kid at all, take responsibility and think things

through. Comments like " it's just food, it must be safe! " are pretty silly

in light of how many people get food poisoning, and of things like

Lathyrism, a disease where eating a certain kind of pea causes paralysis in

many people.

You don't want some possibly made up story about somebody got better once

(maybe) doing something wonderful and easy.

You want lots of concrete, factual information, presented in a way you can

check for yourself and understand it well, that is clearly related to your

kid's situation. It should come from a credible source that has been saying

the same thing for a while, not a different random thing every year or two.

Whether or not this goes along with your personal worldview, or is too

conservative, your kid deserves nothing less than you taking some personal

responsibility to really figure out if what you are going to do for them is

a good idea or not. Remember, they got turned autistic because you didn't do

that - but that time it was a lot easier to excuse since there was this

whole institution of people pretending to great expertise that were telling

you made up lies about the safety of vaccines and the lack of any connection

between them and autism.

Andy

http://www.noamalgam.com/index.html

Amalgam Illness: Diagnosis and Treatment

http://www.noamalgam.com/hairtestbook.html

Hair Test Interpretation: Finding Hidden Toxicities

http://www.noamalgam.com/nourishinghope.html

Nourishing Hope for Autism: Nutrition Intervention for Healing Our Children

http://www.noamalgam.com/biologicaltreatments.html

Biological Treatments for Autism and PDD

[Guest guest]

I have no reason to lie to you.. believe what you want. Look at my sons

videos and look at his medical records and .. you cannot say he is not

recovered! I don’t need you to believe it to be SO.

With all due respect .. I believe it does detox and chelate the kids, please

read my past posts.

You are most likely using raw cow milk and even if you are using raw goat and it

was not the cure child I am very sorry , BUT IT CURED MINE and I have evidence

and proof so stop hating on the few people here who have actually healed their

children. Just because you did not get a great response doesn’t mean others

won’t…or that you should detract others from their healing by causing it

nonsense. You can be part of trapping someone’s kid in there forever if you

influence a parent against what could cure her child. You will have to live with

that and you may have to atone for such behavior as well so I would be careful

how you may or may not influence other parents in their path to recovery. I am

in contact with several member here who are doing it and having terrific

results… so again I am sorry it may not have worked for you but that does not

mean it is not true.. and frankly I can lead the horse to water and that is all

I can do , you have your own free will as the bible says. If you are a

Christian read Isaiah 7:15 … enough said!

It never failed to amaze me that people will hate on others because of their

success. Raw goats milk as a treatment and possible cure for autism is not hog

wash … you obviously have a computer …it’s called google… read OPEN YOUR

MIND something might fall in it!

More and more researchers are looking at it and Dr’s with autistic children

have been trying it and writing about it with great success.. do you don’t to

believe me. I am obligated to share.. not to force

From: [mailto: ] On

Behalf Of

Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 11:42 PM

Subject: Re: [ ] Re: I mean Cilantro chelation---Raw goat milk

[ ] Re: I mean Cilantro chelation

> We read a story about a study that eat " freshly chopped cilantro only 0.25

cup per day " ( which is not much), mixed with a bowl of fresh salad, I like

to sprinkle them on top of my entree (stew meat or fish), for 3 weeks

straight ( 0.25 cup of fresh chopped cilantro), and that made an autistic

boy starting to talk.

This kind of silliness reminds me of the news story in the 1980's about the

guy diagnosed with inoperable brain cancer and sent home to die. He didn't

like how it was going so he shot himself in the head.

Someone called 911, they rushed him to the emergency room and saved him, and

also found out the bullet had blown out the tumor and cured his cancer!

I always thought of that as God reminding the surgeon of who really could

perform miracles :-)

However, shooting yourself in the head to try to cure your cancer based on

this story makes more sense than most of what I see on the net about " and

that autistic boy XXXXX. " At least the cancer story is actually true, when

I've looked into these other stories they often are not.

The ones that are fall under the umbrella that if you do something random to

enough people, one of them will end up exhibiting whatever phenomenon you

are looking for totally by chance.

It's like the silly ads on my computer screen all the time " Tacoma Mom lost

43 pounds following one simple rule! " Etc.

If you care about your kid at all, take responsibility and think things

through. Comments like " it's just food, it must be safe! " are pretty silly

in light of how many people get food poisoning, and of things like

Lathyrism, a disease where eating a certain kind of pea causes paralysis in

many people.

You don't want some possibly made up story about somebody got better once

(maybe) doing something wonderful and easy.

You want lots of concrete, factual information, presented in a way you can

check for yourself and understand it well, that is clearly related to your

kid's situation. It should come from a credible source that has been saying

the same thing for a while, not a different random thing every year or two.

Whether or not this goes along with your personal worldview, or is too

conservative, your kid deserves nothing less than you taking some personal

responsibility to really figure out if what you are going to do for them is

a good idea or not. Remember, they got turned autistic because you didn't do

that - but that time it was a lot easier to excuse since there was this

whole institution of people pretending to great expertise that were telling

you made up lies about the safety of vaccines and the lack of any connection

between them and autism.

Andy

http://www.noamalgam.com/index.html

Amalgam Illness: Diagnosis and Treatment

http://www.noamalgam.com/hairtestbook.html

Hair Test Interpretation: Finding Hidden Toxicities

http://www.noamalgam.com/nourishinghope.html

Nourishing Hope for Autism: Nutrition Intervention for Healing Our Children

http://www.noamalgam.com/biologicaltreatments.html

Biological Treatments for Autism and PDD

[Guest guest]

Crystal,

If you dont have intention to sell any of the raw milk or get a margin

somewhere by trading it... I will take note on your story with a bit more

credibility.

But your information can be sooo misleading to new parents that trying to

heal their children - by pointing to different direction which they should

be doing proper chelation.

Sara

On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 10:06 PM, Crystal Palmer-Bull <

cpalmerbull@...> wrote:

>

>

> I have no reason to lie to you.. believe what you want. Look at my

> sons videos and look at his medical records and .. you cannot say he is not

> recovered! I don’t need you to believe it to be SO.

>

> With all due respect .. I believe it does detox and chelate the kids,

> please read my past posts.

>

> You are most likely using raw cow milk and even if you are using raw goat

> and it was not the cure child I am very sorry , BUT IT CURED MINE and I have

> evidence and proof so stop hating on the few people here who have actually

> healed their children. Just because you did not get a great response doesn’t

> mean others won’t…or that you should detract others from their healing by

> causing it nonsense. You can be part of trapping someone’s kid in there

> forever if you influence a parent against what could cure her child. You

> will have to live with that and you may have to atone for such behavior as

> well so I would be careful how you may or may not influence other parents in

> their path to recovery. I am in contact with several member here who are

> doing it and having terrific results… so again I am sorry it may not have

> worked for you but that does not mean it is not true.. and frankly I can

> lead the horse to water and that is all I can do , you have your own free

> will as the bible says. If you are a Christian read Isaiah 7:15 … enough

> said!

>

> It never failed to amaze me that people will hate on others because of

> their success. Raw goats milk as a treatment and possible cure for autism is

> not hog wash … you obviously have a computer …it’s called google… read OPEN

> YOUR MIND something might fall in it!

>

> More and more researchers are looking at it and Dr’s with autistic children

> have been trying it and writing about it with great success.. do you don’t

> to believe me. I am obligated to share.. not to force

>

> From:

< %40>[mailto:

> < %40>] On

> Behalf Of

> Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 11:42 PM

>

> < %40>

> Subject: Re: [ ] Re: I mean Cilantro chelation---Raw goat milk

>

>

> [ ] Re: I mean Cilantro chelation

>

> > We read a story about a study that eat " freshly chopped cilantro only

> 0.25

> cup per day " ( which is not much), mixed with a bowl of fresh salad, I like

> to sprinkle them on top of my entree (stew meat or fish), for 3 weeks

> straight ( 0.25 cup of fresh chopped cilantro), and that made an autistic

> boy starting to talk.

>

> This kind of silliness reminds me of the news story in the 1980's about the

> guy diagnosed with inoperable brain cancer and sent home to die. He didn't

> like how it was going so he shot himself in the head.

>

> Someone called 911, they rushed him to the emergency room and saved him,

> and

> also found out the bullet had blown out the tumor and cured his cancer!

>

> I always thought of that as God reminding the surgeon of who really could

> perform miracles :-)

>

> However, shooting yourself in the head to try to cure your cancer based on

> this story makes more sense than most of what I see on the net about " and

> that autistic boy XXXXX. " At least the cancer story is actually true, when

> I've looked into these other stories they often are not.

>

> The ones that are fall under the umbrella that if you do something random

> to

> enough people, one of them will end up exhibiting whatever phenomenon you

> are looking for totally by chance.

>

> It's like the silly ads on my computer screen all the time " Tacoma Mom lost

> 43 pounds following one simple rule! " Etc.

>

> If you care about your kid at all, take responsibility and think things

> through. Comments like " it's just food, it must be safe! " are pretty silly

> in light of how many people get food poisoning, and of things like

> Lathyrism, a disease where eating a certain kind of pea causes paralysis in

> many people.

>

> You don't want some possibly made up story about somebody got better once

> (maybe) doing something wonderful and easy.

>

> You want lots of concrete, factual information, presented in a way you can

> check for yourself and understand it well, that is clearly related to your

> kid's situation. It should come from a credible source that has been saying

> the same thing for a while, not a different random thing every year or two.

>

> Whether or not this goes along with your personal worldview, or is too

> conservative, your kid deserves nothing less than you taking some personal

> responsibility to really figure out if what you are going to do for them is

> a good idea or not. Remember, they got turned autistic because you didn't

> do

> that - but that time it was a lot easier to excuse since there was this

> whole institution of people pretending to great expertise that were telling

> you made up lies about the safety of vaccines and the lack of any

> connection

> between them and autism.

>

> Andy

>

> http://www.noamalgam.com/index.html

> Amalgam Illness: Diagnosis and Treatment

>

> http://www.noamalgam.com/hairtestbook.html

> Hair Test Interpretation: Finding Hidden Toxicities

>

> http://www.noamalgam.com/nourishinghope.html

> Nourishing Hope for Autism: Nutrition Intervention for Healing Our Children

>

> http://www.noamalgam.com/biologicaltreatments.html

> Biological Treatments for Autism and PDD

>

>

[Guest guest]

So is it possible that instead of chelating directly, the milk made your child's

general health much better, thereby enabling his own body to begin chelating?

That makes so much more sense. We know when we are healthy our bodies can dump

crud on their own. In fact that's what got us in the autism mess to begin with,

the body's inability to detox.

nancy j

a child is diagnosed with

asd every 20 seconds

> >

> > From: Crystal Palmer-Bull

<cpalmerbull@...<cpalmerbull%40crystalimagingstudio.net><ma\

ilto:

> >

>

cpalmerbull%40crystalimagingstudio.net<cpalmerbull%2540crystalimagingstudio.net>\

>

> >

>

<mailto:cpalmerbull%40crystalimagingstudio.net<cpalmerbull%2540crystalimagingstu\

dio.net>>

> > >

> >

> > Subject: RE: [ ] Re: I mean Cilantro

> chelation

> >

> < %40><mailto:

> > %40

> < %2540>>

> >

> <mailto: %40< %2540>>

> >

> > Date: Thursday, July 1, 2010, 8:11 PM

> >

> > Things like that happen all the time.. impossible

> right ... wrong. My son

> > was dx with autism.. it was real. but now he recovered

> . they say oh must

> > not have been autism..

> >

> > My dad had some health issues and was getting checked

> out they did some

> > scan

> > of his liver and said get your affairs in order you

> have end stage liver

> > cancer yadda yadda. well My dad is still here and that

> was 20 years ago.

> > turned out they were non cancer cysts on his liver .

> >

> > The medical community doesn't know crap most of the

> time and therefore it

> > makes even more of these stories.

> >

> > You can say you don't believe me when my son looked me

> in the eye

> > (sustainably ) for the 1st time just hours after

> dinking his 1st cup of RAW

> > goat milk. you can say you don't believe me . that's

> fine . my kid is

> > healthy and flourishing, reading and writing, singing

> and dancing and

> > playing baseball and is very popular. You don't have

> to believe me but you

> > should.

> >

> > From:

> < %40><mailto:

> > %40

> < %2540>>

> >

> <mailto: %40< %2540>>

> > [mailto:

> < %40><mailto:

> > %40

> < %2540>>

> >

> <mailto: %40< %2540>>

> > ]

> >

> > On Behalf Of andrewhallcutler

> > Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 7:21 PM

> >

> < %40><mailto:

> > %40

> < %2540>>

> >

> <mailto: %40< %2540>>

> >

> > Subject: [ ] Re: I mean Cilantro

> chelation

> >

> > > We read a story about a study that eat " freshly

> chopped cilantro only

> > 0.25

> > cup per day " ( which is not much), mixed with a bowl

> of fresh salad, I like

> > to sprinkle them on top of my entree (stew meat or

> fish), for 3 weeks

> > straight ( 0.25 cup of fresh chopped cilantro), and

> that made an autistic

> > boy starting to talk.

> >

> > This kind of silliness reminds me of the news story in

> the 1980's about the

> > guy diagnosed with inoperable brain cancer and sent

> home to die. He didn't

> > like how it was going so he shot himself in the head.

> >

> > Someone called 911, they rushed him to the emergency

> room and saved him,

> > and

> > also found out the bullet had blown out the tumor and

> cured his cancer!

> >

> > I always thought of that as God reminding the surgeon

> of who really could

> > perform miracles :-)

> >

> > However, shooting yourself in the head to try to cure

> your cancer based on

> > this story makes more sense than most of what I see on

> the net about " and

> > that autistic boy XXXXX. " At least the cancer story is

> actually true, when

> > I've looked into these other stories they often are

> not.

> >

> > The ones that are fall under the umbrella that if you

> do something random

> > to

> > enough people, one of them will end up exhibiting

> whatever phenomenon you

> > are looking for totally by chance.

> >

> > It's like the silly ads on my computer screen all the

> time " Tacoma Mom lost

> > 43 pounds following one simple rule! " Etc.

> >

> > If you care about your kid at all, take responsibility

> and think things

> > through. Comments like " it's just food, it must be

> safe! " are pretty silly

> > in light of how many people get food poisoning, and of

> things like

> > Lathyrism, a disease where eating a certain kind of

> pea causes paralysis in

> > many people.

> >

> > You don't want some possibly made up story about

> somebody got better once

> > (maybe) doing something wonderful and easy.

> >

> > You want lots of concrete, factual information,

> presented in a way you can

> > check for yourself and understand it well, that is

> clearly related to your

> > kid's situation. It should come from a credible source

> that has been saying

> > the same thing for a while, not a different random

> thing every year or two.

> >

> > Whether or not this goes along with your personal

> worldview, or is too

> > conservative, your kid deserves nothing less than you

> taking some personal

> > responsibility to really figure out if what you are

> going to do for them is

> > a good idea or not. Remember, they got turned autistic

> because you didn't

> > do

> > that - but that time it was a lot easier to excuse

> since there was this

> > whole institution of people pretending to great

> expertise that were telling

> > you made up lies about the safety of vaccines and the

> lack of any

> > connection

> > between them and autism.

> >

> > Andy

> >

> > http://www.noamalgam.com/index.html

> > Amalgam Illness: Diagnosis and Treatment

> >

> > http://www.noamalgam.com/hairtestbook.html

> > Hair Test Interpretation: Finding Hidden Toxicities

> >

> > http://www.noamalgam.com/nourishinghope.html

> > Nourishing Hope for Autism: Nutrition Intervention for

> Healing Our Children

> >

> > http://www.noamalgam.com/biologicaltreatments.html

> > Biological Treatments for Autism and PDD

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I totally agree with this angel to look at any possiblity to recover our

children from autism---take anything that can make our children healthier and

enable them detox on their own. By that time, no needs ALA, or B12 shots or

glutathoine to detox. Our autism case is also an auto-immnue dysfunction case.

My son's auto-immune is confused and anti-body out of control to attack his own

brain or central nerve system. Two possible suspects that confuse his

auto-immune are streptolcoccus infection and toxic metal. That's why we are here

to learn how to detox. However, if something can make my son develop good

health and activate his own auto-immune system function as normal as a healthy

person, and have healthy liver and kidney function and even he has load of toxin

from metal, mircoorganism..whatever, but he can detox them on his own.. that is

the ultimate goal, also what Crystal says--recovery.

 

Rei

 

 

 

> >

> > From: Crystal Palmer-Bull

<cpalmerbull@...<cpalmerbull%40crystalimagingstudio.net><ma\

ilto:

> >

>

cpalmerbull%40crystalimagingstudio.net<cpalmerbull%2540crystalimagingstudio.net>\

>

> >

>

<mailto:cpalmerbull%40crystalimagingstudio.net<cpalmerbull%2540crystalimagingstu\

dio.net>>

> > >

> >

> > Subject: RE: [ ] Re: I mean Cilantro

> chelation

> >

> < %40><mailto:

> > %40

> < %2540>>

> >

> <mailto: %40< %2540>>

> >

> > Date: Thursday, July 1, 2010, 8:11 PM

> >

> > Things like that happen all the time.. impossible

> right ... wrong. My son

> > was dx with autism.. it was real. but now he recovered

> . they say oh must

> > not have been autism..

> >

> > My dad had some health issues and was getting checked

> out they did some

> > scan

> > of his liver and said get your affairs in order you

> have end stage liver

> > cancer yadda yadda. well My dad is still here and that

> was 20 years ago.

> > turned out they were non cancer cysts on his liver .

> >

> > The medical community doesn't know crap most of the

> time and therefore it

> > makes even more of these stories.

> >

> > You can say you don't believe me when my son looked me

> in the eye

> > (sustainably ) for the 1st time just hours after

> dinking his 1st cup of RAW

> > goat milk. you can say you don't believe me . that's

> fine . my kid is

> > healthy and flourishing, reading and writing, singing

> and dancing and

> > playing baseball and is very popular. You don't have

> to believe me but you

> > should.

> >

> > From:

> < %40><mailto:

> > %40

> < %2540>>

> >

> <mailto: %40< %2540>>

> > [mailto:

> < %40><mailto:

> > %40

> < %2540>>

> >

> <mailto: %40< %2540>>

> > ]

> >

> > On Behalf Of andrewhallcutler

> > Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 7:21 PM

> >

> < %40><mailto:

> > %40

> < %2540>>

> >

> <mailto: %40< %2540>>

> >

> > Subject: [ ] Re: I mean Cilantro

> chelation

> >

> > > We read a story about a study that eat " freshly

> chopped cilantro only

> > 0.25

> > cup per day " ( which is not much), mixed with a bowl

> of fresh salad, I like

> > to sprinkle them on top of my entree (stew meat or

> fish), for 3 weeks

> > straight ( 0.25 cup of fresh chopped cilantro), and

> that made an autistic

> > boy starting to talk.

> >

> > This kind of silliness reminds me of the news story in

> the 1980's about the

> > guy diagnosed with inoperable brain cancer and sent

> home to die. He didn't

> > like how it was going so he shot himself in the head.

> >

> > Someone called 911, they rushed him to the emergency

> room and saved him,

> > and

> > also found out the bullet had blown out the tumor and

> cured his cancer!

> >

> > I always thought of that as God reminding the surgeon

> of who really could

> > perform miracles :-)

> >

> > However, shooting yourself in the head to try to cure

> your cancer based on

> > this story makes more sense than most of what I see on

> the net about " and

> > that autistic boy XXXXX. " At least the cancer story is

> actually true, when

> > I've looked into these other stories they often are

> not.

> >

> > The ones that are fall under the umbrella that if you

> do something random

> > to

> > enough people, one of them will end up exhibiting

> whatever phenomenon you

> > are looking for totally by chance.

> >

> > It's like the silly ads on my computer screen all the

> time " Tacoma Mom lost

> > 43 pounds following one simple rule! " Etc.

> >

> > If you care about your kid at all, take responsibility

> and think things

> > through. Comments like " it's just food, it must be

> safe! " are pretty silly

> > in light of how many people get food poisoning, and of

> things like

> > Lathyrism, a disease where eating a certain kind of

> pea causes paralysis in

> > many people.

> >

> > You don't want some possibly made up story about

> somebody got better once

> > (maybe) doing something wonderful and easy.

> >

> > You want lots of concrete, factual information,

> presented in a way you can

> > check for yourself and understand it well, that is

> clearly related to your

> > kid's situation. It should come from a credible source

> that has been saying

> > the same thing for a while, not a different random

> thing every year or two.

> >

> > Whether or not this goes along with your personal

> worldview, or is too

> > conservative, your kid deserves nothing less than you

> taking some personal

> > responsibility to really figure out if what you are

> going to do for them is

> > a good idea or not. Remember, they got turned autistic

> because you didn't

> > do

> > that - but that time it was a lot easier to excuse

> since there was this

> > whole institution of people pretending to great

> expertise that were telling

> > you made up lies about the safety of vaccines and the

> lack of any

> > connection

> > between them and autism.

> >

> > Andy

> >

> > http://www.noamalgam.com/index.html

> > Amalgam Illness: Diagnosis and Treatment

> >

> > http://www.noamalgam.com/hairtestbook.html

> > Hair Test Interpretation: Finding Hidden Toxicities

> >

> > http://www.noamalgam.com/nourishinghope.html

> > Nourishing Hope for Autism: Nutrition Intervention for

> Healing Our Children

> >

> > http://www.noamalgam.com/biologicaltreatments.html

> > Biological Treatments for Autism and PDD

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Yes … I was not explaining it well

And this I believe is why he doesn’t regress like he used to when we took the

biomedical supplements lapsed due to finances. I said To my hubby it seemed to

fix an electrolyte imbalance, a vitamin / mineral uptake deficiency and restored

gut flora all at once and a more permanent basis.

I think the Raw goat milk restored his gut flora and therefore his GI system

worked .. he disgusted food, up took the vitamins and minerals and the loads of

B’s help on a overall cellular lever for just about EVERYTHING in the body..

and they (autistics)are not taking in and utilizing the nutrients Nutrition

wise raw goat milk is a super food… then you do things like ferment it with

yogurt or kefir cultures and it gets even better.. then add some nice organic

blueberries and you have quite a healthy diet. If you read about Kefir it comes

from Mountain tribes that were sheep and goat herders and they regularly lived

to be 100 or better!

And even if I never understand fully why it worked… I have him back and it

DID..

I know it sounds like a little too easy … but maybe things don’t have to be

so complicated. Raw goat milk is considered as close to breast milk as you can

get so … is that maybe giving these kids a do over .. immunologically /GI and

nutritionally speaking.

Hmmm food for thought

From: [mailto: ] On

Behalf Of nancy cook

Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 10:18 AM

Subject: Re: [ ] Re: I mean Cilantro chelation---Raw goat milk

So is it possible that instead of chelating directly, the milk made your child's

general health much better, thereby enabling his own body to begin chelating?

That makes so much more sense. We know when we are healthy our bodies can dump

crud on their own. In fact that's what got us in the autism mess to begin with,

the body's inability to detox.

nancy j

a child is diagnosed with

asd every 20 seconds

> >

> > From: Crystal Palmer-Bull <cpalmerbull@...

<mailto:cpalmerbull%40crystalimagingstudio.net>

<cpalmerbull%40crystalimagingstudio.net><mailto:

> >

>

cpalmerbull%40crystalimagingstudio.net<cpalmerbull%2540crystalimagingstudio.net>\

>

> >

>

<mailto:cpalmerbull%40crystalimagingstudio.net<cpalmerbull%2540crystalimagingstu\

dio.net>>

> > >

> >

> > Subject: RE: [ ] Re: I mean Cilantro

> chelation

> > <mailto: %40>

> < %40><mailto:

> > %40

> < %2540>>

> >

> <mailto: %40< %2540>>

> >

> > Date: Thursday, July 1, 2010, 8:11 PM

> >

> > Things like that happen all the time.. impossible

> right ... wrong. My son

> > was dx with autism.. it was real. but now he recovered

> . they say oh must

> > not have been autism..

> >

> > My dad had some health issues and was getting checked

> out they did some

> > scan

> > of his liver and said get your affairs in order you

> have end stage liver

> > cancer yadda yadda. well My dad is still here and that

> was 20 years ago.

> > turned out they were non cancer cysts on his liver .

> >

> > The medical community doesn't know crap most of the

> time and therefore it

> > makes even more of these stories.

> >

> > You can say you don't believe me when my son looked me

> in the eye

> > (sustainably ) for the 1st time just hours after

> dinking his 1st cup of RAW

> > goat milk. you can say you don't believe me . that's

> fine . my kid is

> > healthy and flourishing, reading and writing, singing

> and dancing and

> > playing baseball and is very popular. You don't have

> to believe me but you

> > should.

> >

> > From:

<mailto: %40>

> < %40><mailto:

> > %40

> < %2540>>

> >

> <mailto: %40< %2540>>

> > [mailto:

<mailto: %40>

> < %40><mailto:

> > %40

> < %2540>>

> >

> <mailto: %40< %2540>>

> > ]

> >

> > On Behalf Of andrewhallcutler

> > Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 7:21 PM

> > <mailto: %40>

> < %40><mailto:

> > %40

> < %2540>>

> >

> <mailto: %40< %2540>>

> >

> > Subject: [ ] Re: I mean Cilantro

> chelation

> >

> > > We read a story about a study that eat " freshly

> chopped cilantro only

> > 0.25

> > cup per day " ( which is not much), mixed with a bowl

> of fresh salad, I like

> > to sprinkle them on top of my entree (stew meat or

> fish), for 3 weeks

> > straight ( 0.25 cup of fresh chopped cilantro), and

> that made an autistic

> > boy starting to talk.

> >

> > This kind of silliness reminds me of the news story in

> the 1980's about the

> > guy diagnosed with inoperable brain cancer and sent

> home to die. He didn't

> > like how it was going so he shot himself in the head.

> >

> > Someone called 911, they rushed him to the emergency

> room and saved him,

> > and

> > also found out the bullet had blown out the tumor and

> cured his cancer!

> >

> > I always thought of that as God reminding the surgeon

> of who really could

> > perform miracles :-)

> >

> > However, shooting yourself in the head to try to cure

> your cancer based on

> > this story makes more sense than most of what I see on

> the net about " and

> > that autistic boy XXXXX. " At least the cancer story is

> actually true, when

> > I've looked into these other stories they often are

> not.

> >

> > The ones that are fall under the umbrella that if you

> do something random

> > to

> > enough people, one of them will end up exhibiting

> whatever phenomenon you

> > are looking for totally by chance.

> >

> > It's like the silly ads on my computer screen all the

> time " Tacoma Mom lost

> > 43 pounds following one simple rule! " Etc.

> >

> > If you care about your kid at all, take responsibility

> and think things

> > through. Comments like " it's just food, it must be

> safe! " are pretty silly

> > in light of how many people get food poisoning, and of

> things like

> > Lathyrism, a disease where eating a certain kind of

> pea causes paralysis in

> > many people.

> >

> > You don't want some possibly made up story about

> somebody got better once

> > (maybe) doing something wonderful and easy.

> >

> > You want lots of concrete, factual information,

> presented in a way you can

> > check for yourself and understand it well, that is

> clearly related to your

> > kid's situation. It should come from a credible source

> that has been saying

> > the same thing for a while, not a different random

> thing every year or two.

> >

> > Whether or not this goes along with your personal

> worldview, or is too

> > conservative, your kid deserves nothing less than you

> taking some personal

> > responsibility to really figure out if what you are

> going to do for them is

> > a good idea or not. Remember, they got turned autistic

> because you didn't

> > do

> > that - but that time it was a lot easier to excuse

> since there was this

> > whole institution of people pretending to great

> expertise that were telling

> > you made up lies about the safety of vaccines and the

> lack of any

> > connection

> > between them and autism.

> >

> > Andy

> >

> > http://www.noamalgam.com/index.html

> > Amalgam Illness: Diagnosis and Treatment

> >

> > http://www.noamalgam.com/hairtestbook.html

> > Hair Test Interpretation: Finding Hidden Toxicities

> >

> > http://www.noamalgam.com/nourishinghope.html

> > Nourishing Hope for Autism: Nutrition Intervention for

> Healing Our Children

> >

> > http://www.noamalgam.com/biologicaltreatments.html

> > Biological Treatments for Autism and PDD

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Wow you all say it so much better.. I did a ton of research … years.. and I

know what I mean… and why it works …(I think lol) its just hard to put it

all together verbally and in a way people relate

And like my dr said 34 of the world drink raw goat milk.. I think it’s a safe

try and you have nothing to lose

From: [mailto: ] On

Behalf Of Rei

Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 10:28 AM

Subject: Re: [ ] Re: I mean Cilantro chelation---Raw goat milk

I totally agree with this angel to look at any possiblity to recover our

children from autism---take anything that can make our children healthier and

enable them detox on their own. By that time, no needs ALA, or B12 shots or

glutathoine to detox. Our autism case is also an auto-immnue dysfunction case.

My son's auto-immune is confused and anti-body out of control to attack his own

brain or central nerve system. Two possible suspects that confuse his

auto-immune are streptolcoccus infection and toxic metal. That's why we are here

to learn how to detox. However, if something can make my son develop good health

and activate his own auto-immune system function as normal as a healthy person,

and have healthy liver and kidney function and even he has load of toxin from

metal, mircoorganism..whatever, but he can detox them on his own.. that is the

ultimate goal, also what Crystal says--recovery.

Rei

> >

> > From: Crystal Palmer-Bull <cpalmerbull@...

<mailto:cpalmerbull%40crystalimagingstudio.net>

<cpalmerbull%40crystalimagingstudio.net><mailto:

> >

>

cpalmerbull%40crystalimagingstudio.net<cpalmerbull%2540crystalimagingstudio.net>\

>

> >

>

<mailto:cpalmerbull%40crystalimagingstudio.net<cpalmerbull%2540crystalimagingstu\

dio.net>>

> > >

> >

> > Subject: RE: [ ] Re: I mean Cilantro

> chelation

> > <mailto: %40>

> < %40><mailto:

> > %40

> < %2540>>

> >

> <mailto: %40< %2540>>

> >

> > Date: Thursday, July 1, 2010, 8:11 PM

> >

> > Things like that happen all the time.. impossible

> right ... wrong. My son

> > was dx with autism.. it was real. but now he recovered

> . they say oh must

> > not have been autism..

> >

> > My dad had some health issues and was getting checked

> out they did some

> > scan

> > of his liver and said get your affairs in order you

> have end stage liver

> > cancer yadda yadda. well My dad is still here and that

> was 20 years ago.

> > turned out they were non cancer cysts on his liver .

> >

> > The medical community doesn't know crap most of the

> time and therefore it

> > makes even more of these stories.

> >

> > You can say you don't believe me when my son looked me

> in the eye

> > (sustainably ) for the 1st time just hours after

> dinking his 1st cup of RAW

> > goat milk. you can say you don't believe me . that's

> fine . my kid is

> > healthy and flourishing, reading and writing, singing

> and dancing and

> > playing baseball and is very popular. You don't have

> to believe me but you

> > should.

> >

> > From:

<mailto: %40>

> < %40><mailto:

> > %40

> < %2540>>

> >

> <mailto: %40< %2540>>

> > [mailto:

<mailto: %40>

> < %40><mailto:

> > %40

> < %2540>>

> >

> <mailto: %40< %2540>>

> > ]

> >

> > On Behalf Of andrewhallcutler

> > Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 7:21 PM

> > <mailto: %40>

> < %40><mailto:

> > %40

> < %2540>>

> >

> <mailto: %40< %2540>>

> >

> > Subject: [ ] Re: I mean Cilantro

> chelation

> >

> > > We read a story about a study that eat " freshly

> chopped cilantro only

> > 0.25

> > cup per day " ( which is not much), mixed with a bowl

> of fresh salad, I like

> > to sprinkle them on top of my entree (stew meat or

> fish), for 3 weeks

> > straight ( 0.25 cup of fresh chopped cilantro), and

> that made an autistic

> > boy starting to talk.

> >

> > This kind of silliness reminds me of the news story in

> the 1980's about the

> > guy diagnosed with inoperable brain cancer and sent

> home to die. He didn't

> > like how it was going so he shot himself in the head.

> >

> > Someone called 911, they rushed him to the emergency

> room and saved him,

> > and

> > also found out the bullet had blown out the tumor and

> cured his cancer!

> >

> > I always thought of that as God reminding the surgeon

> of who really could

> > perform miracles :-)

> >

> > However, shooting yourself in the head to try to cure

> your cancer based on

> > this story makes more sense than most of what I see on

> the net about " and

> > that autistic boy XXXXX. " At least the cancer story is

> actually true, when

> > I've looked into these other stories they often are

> not.

> >

> > The ones that are fall under the umbrella that if you

> do something random

> > to

> > enough people, one of them will end up exhibiting

> whatever phenomenon you

> > are looking for totally by chance.

> >

> > It's like the silly ads on my computer screen all the

> time " Tacoma Mom lost

> > 43 pounds following one simple rule! " Etc.

> >

> > If you care about your kid at all, take responsibility

> and think things

> > through. Comments like " it's just food, it must be

> safe! " are pretty silly

> > in light of how many people get food poisoning, and of

> things like

> > Lathyrism, a disease where eating a certain kind of

> pea causes paralysis in

> > many people.

> >

> > You don't want some possibly made up story about

> somebody got better once

> > (maybe) doing something wonderful and easy.

> >

> > You want lots of concrete, factual information,

> presented in a way you can

> > check for yourself and understand it well, that is

> clearly related to your

> > kid's situation. It should come from a credible source

> that has been saying

> > the same thing for a while, not a different random

> thing every year or two.

> >

> > Whether or not this goes along with your personal

> worldview, or is too

> > conservative, your kid deserves nothing less than you

> taking some personal

> > responsibility to really figure out if what you are

> going to do for them is

> > a good idea or not. Remember, they got turned autistic

> because you didn't

> > do

> > that - but that time it was a lot easier to excuse

> since there was this

> > whole institution of people pretending to great

> expertise that were telling

> > you made up lies about the safety of vaccines and the

> lack of any

> > connection

> > between them and autism.

> >

> > Andy

> >

> > http://www.noamalgam.com/index.html

> > Amalgam Illness: Diagnosis and Treatment

> >

> > http://www.noamalgam.com/hairtestbook.html

> > Hair Test Interpretation: Finding Hidden Toxicities

> >

> > http://www.noamalgam.com/nourishinghope.html

> > Nourishing Hope for Autism: Nutrition Intervention for

> Healing Our Children

> >

> > http://www.noamalgam.com/biologicaltreatments.html

> > Biological Treatments for Autism and PDD

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Crystal is not in the business of selling raw milk. This isn't about making

money, it's about what happened to her child and her thoughts behind recovery.

Take it at that. My guess is any of us would be just as passionate about raw

milk if we thought it worked like Crystal thinks it worked. Accurate or not;

not my call.

Still, to discount others advice and redirect to raw goat's milk time after time

isn't helping much, Crystal! There is some science behind cilantro, or perhaps

lack of, and to draw broad conclusions based on your personal experience isn't

the best advice.

We are all here to spread information, often based on our personal experience.

Everyone needs to weed through that info to see if it applies to you. There are

a lot of products out there that have testimonials of recovery... but we try it

and we get nothing. Even chelation. Nature of the Autism beast.

Pam

> >

> > From: Crystal Palmer-Bull

<cpalmerbull@...<cpalmerbull%40crystalimagingstudio.net><mailto:

> >

cpalmerbull%40crystalimagingstudio.net<cpalmerbull%2540crystalimagingstudio.net>\

>

> >

<mailto:cpalmerbull%40crystalimagingstudio.net<cpalmerbull%2540crystalimagingstu\

dio.net>>

> > >

> >

> > Subject: RE: [ ] Re: I mean Cilantro chelation

> >

< %40><mailto:

> > %40 < %2540>>

> >

<mailto: %40< %2540>>

> >

> > Date: Thursday, July 1, 2010, 8:11 PM

> >

> > Things like that happen all the time.. impossible right ... wrong. My son

> > was dx with autism.. it was real. but now he recovered . they say oh must

> > not have been autism..

> >

> > My dad had some health issues and was getting checked out they did some

> > scan

> > of his liver and said get your affairs in order you have end stage liver

> > cancer yadda yadda. well My dad is still here and that was 20 years ago.

> > turned out they were non cancer cysts on his liver .

> >

> > The medical community doesn't know crap most of the time and therefore it

> > makes even more of these stories.

> >

> > You can say you don't believe me when my son looked me in the eye

> > (sustainably ) for the 1st time just hours after dinking his 1st cup of RAW

> > goat milk. you can say you don't believe me . that's fine . my kid is

> > healthy and flourishing, reading and writing, singing and dancing and

> > playing baseball and is very popular. You don't have to believe me but you

> > should.

> >

> > From:

< %40><mailto:

> > %40 < %2540>>

> >

<mailto: %40< %2540>>

> > [mailto:

< %40><mailto:

> > %40 < %2540>>

> >

<mailto: %40< %2540>>

> > ]

> >

> > On Behalf Of andrewhallcutler

> > Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 7:21 PM

> >

< %40><mailto:

> > %40 < %2540>>

> >

<mailto: %40< %2540>>

> >

> > Subject: [ ] Re: I mean Cilantro chelation

> >

> > > We read a story about a study that eat " freshly chopped cilantro only

> > 0.25

> > cup per day " ( which is not much), mixed with a bowl of fresh salad, I like

> > to sprinkle them on top of my entree (stew meat or fish), for 3 weeks

> > straight ( 0.25 cup of fresh chopped cilantro), and that made an autistic

> > boy starting to talk.

> >

> > This kind of silliness reminds me of the news story in the 1980's about the

> > guy diagnosed with inoperable brain cancer and sent home to die. He didn't

> > like how it was going so he shot himself in the head.

> >

> > Someone called 911, they rushed him to the emergency room and saved him,

> > and

> > also found out the bullet had blown out the tumor and cured his cancer!

> >

> > I always thought of that as God reminding the surgeon of who really could

> > perform miracles :-)

> >

> > However, shooting yourself in the head to try to cure your cancer based on

> > this story makes more sense than most of what I see on the net about " and

> > that autistic boy XXXXX. " At least the cancer story is actually true, when

> > I've looked into these other stories they often are not.

> >

> > The ones that are fall under the umbrella that if you do something random

> > to

> > enough people, one of them will end up exhibiting whatever phenomenon you

> > are looking for totally by chance.

> >

> > It's like the silly ads on my computer screen all the time " Tacoma Mom lost

> > 43 pounds following one simple rule! " Etc.

> >

> > If you care about your kid at all, take responsibility and think things

> > through. Comments like " it's just food, it must be safe! " are pretty silly

> > in light of how many people get food poisoning, and of things like

> > Lathyrism, a disease where eating a certain kind of pea causes paralysis in

> > many people.

> >

> > You don't want some possibly made up story about somebody got better once

> > (maybe) doing something wonderful and easy.

> >

> > You want lots of concrete, factual information, presented in a way you can

> > check for yourself and understand it well, that is clearly related to your

> > kid's situation. It should come from a credible source that has been saying

> > the same thing for a while, not a different random thing every year or two.

> >

> > Whether or not this goes along with your personal worldview, or is too

> > conservative, your kid deserves nothing less than you taking some personal

> > responsibility to really figure out if what you are going to do for them is

> > a good idea or not. Remember, they got turned autistic because you didn't

> > do

> > that - but that time it was a lot easier to excuse since there was this

> > whole institution of people pretending to great expertise that were telling

> > you made up lies about the safety of vaccines and the lack of any

> > connection

> > between them and autism.

> >

> > Andy

> >

> > http://www.noamalgam.com/index.html

> > Amalgam Illness: Diagnosis and Treatment

> >

> > http://www.noamalgam.com/hairtestbook.html

> > Hair Test Interpretation: Finding Hidden Toxicities

> >

> > http://www.noamalgam.com/nourishinghope.html

> > Nourishing Hope for Autism: Nutrition Intervention for Healing Our Children

> >

> > http://www.noamalgam.com/biologicaltreatments.html

> > Biological Treatments for Autism and PDD

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

[ ] Re: I mean Cilantro chelation

> We read a story about a study that eat " freshly chopped cilantro only 0.25

cup per day " ( which is not much), mixed with a bowl of fresh salad, I like

to sprinkle them on top of my entree (stew meat or fish), for 3 weeks

straight ( 0.25 cup of fresh chopped cilantro), and that made an autistic

boy starting to talk.

This kind of silliness reminds me of the news story in the 1980's about the

guy diagnosed with inoperable brain cancer and sent home to die. He didn't

like how it was going so he shot himself in the head.

Someone called 911, they rushed him to the emergency room and saved him, and

also found out the bullet had blown out the tumor and cured his cancer!

I always thought of that as God reminding the surgeon of who really could

perform miracles :-)

However, shooting yourself in the head to try to cure your cancer based on

this story makes more sense than most of what I see on the net about " and

that autistic boy XXXXX. " At least the cancer story is actually true, when

I've looked into these other stories they often are not.

The ones that are fall under the umbrella that if you do something random to

enough people, one of them will end up exhibiting whatever phenomenon you

are looking for totally by chance.

It's like the silly ads on my computer screen all the time " Tacoma Mom lost

43 pounds following one simple rule! " Etc.

If you care about your kid at all, take responsibility and think things

through. Comments like " it's just food, it must be safe! " are pretty silly

in light of how many people get food poisoning, and of things like

Lathyrism, a disease where eating a certain kind of pea causes paralysis in

many people.

You don't want some possibly made up story about somebody got better once

(maybe) doing something wonderful and easy.

You want lots of concrete, factual information, presented in a way you can

check for yourself and understand it well, that is clearly related to your

kid's situation. It should come from a credible source that has been saying

the same thing for a while, not a different random thing every year or two.

Whether or not this goes along with your personal worldview, or is too

conservative, your kid deserves nothing less than you taking some personal

responsibility to really figure out if what you are going to do for them is

a good idea or not. Remember, they got turned autistic because you didn't do

that - but that time it was a lot easier to excuse since there was this

whole institution of people pretending to great expertise that were telling

you made up lies about the safety of vaccines and the lack of any connection

between them and autism.

Andy

http://www.noamalgam.com/index.html

Amalgam Illness: Diagnosis and Treatment

http://www.noamalgam.com/hairtestbook.html

Hair Test Interpretation: Finding Hidden Toxicities

http://www.noamalgam.com/nourishinghope.html

Nourishing Hope for Autism: Nutrition Intervention for Healing Our Children

http://www.noamalgam.com/biologicaltreatments.html

Biological Treatments for Autism and PDD

[Guest guest]

All I ever said was it worked for us , or isn’t work for us.. I never

discouraged anyone from their path.. I am telling the truth of our reality

and our situation.. I never claimed anything else. I respond .. goat milk

worked for that .. to a lot of posts .. because IT DID.. I am not going to

misrepresent what worked for us because this board loves ALA and a different

form of chelating.. and oath to health.

Like I said many times if one looks at the suppliments they are using … in

many instances some odf us were technically trying to re create the things

naturally ocuurring in raw gaot milk

From: [mailto: ]

On Behalf Of Pamela H

Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 12:07 PM

Subject: [ ] Re: I mean Cilantro chelation---Raw goat milk

Crystal is not in the business of selling raw milk. This isn't about making

money, it's about what happened to her child and her thoughts behind

recovery.

Take it at that. My guess is any of us would be just as passionate about raw

milk if we thought it worked like Crystal thinks it worked. Accurate or not;

not my call.

Still, to discount others advice and redirect to raw goat's milk time after

time isn't helping much, Crystal! There is some science behind cilantro, or

perhaps lack of, and to draw broad conclusions based on your personal

experience isn't the best advice.

We are all here to spread information, often based on our personal

experience. Everyone needs to weed through that info to see if it applies to

you. There are a lot of products out there that have testimonials of

recovery... but we try it and we get nothing. Even chelation. Nature of the

Autism beast.

Pam

> >

> > From: Crystal Palmer-Bull

<cpalmerbull@...<cpalmerbull%40crystalimagingstudio.net><mailto:

> >

cpalmerbull%40crystalimagingstudio.net<cpalmerbull%2540crystalimagingstudio.

net>>

> >

<mailto:cpalmerbull%40crystalimagingstudio.net<cpalmerbull%2540crystalimagin

gstudio.net>>

> > >

> >

> > Subject: RE: [ ] Re: I mean Cilantro chelation

> >

<mailto: %40>

< %40><mailto:

> > %40 < %2540>>

> >

<mailto: %40< %2540>

>

> >

> > Date: Thursday, July 1, 2010, 8:11 PM

> >

> > Things like that happen all the time.. impossible right ... wrong. My

son

> > was dx with autism.. it was real. but now he recovered . they say oh

must

> > not have been autism..

> >

> > My dad had some health issues and was getting checked out they did some

> > scan

> > of his liver and said get your affairs in order you have end stage liver

> > cancer yadda yadda. well My dad is still here and that was 20 years ago.

> > turned out they were non cancer cysts on his liver .

> >

> > The medical community doesn't know crap most of the time and therefore

it

> > makes even more of these stories.

> >

> > You can say you don't believe me when my son looked me in the eye

> > (sustainably ) for the 1st time just hours after dinking his 1st cup of

RAW

> > goat milk. you can say you don't believe me . that's fine . my kid is

> > healthy and flourishing, reading and writing, singing and dancing and

> > playing baseball and is very popular. You don't have to believe me but

you

> > should.

> >

> > From:

<mailto: %40>

< %40><mailto:

> > %40 < %2540>>

> >

<mailto: %40< %2540>

>

> > [mailto:

<mailto: %40>

< %40><mailto:

> > %40 < %2540>>

> >

<mailto: %40< %2540>

>

> > ]

> >

> > On Behalf Of andrewhallcutler

> > Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 7:21 PM

> >

<mailto: %40>

< %40><mailto:

> > %40 < %2540>>

> >

<mailto: %40< %2540>

>

> >

> > Subject: [ ] Re: I mean Cilantro chelation

> >

> > > We read a story about a study that eat " freshly chopped cilantro only

> > 0.25

> > cup per day " ( which is not much), mixed with a bowl of fresh salad, I

like

> > to sprinkle them on top of my entree (stew meat or fish), for 3 weeks

> > straight ( 0.25 cup of fresh chopped cilantro), and that made an

autistic

> > boy starting to talk.

> >

> > This kind of silliness reminds me of the news story in the 1980's about

the

> > guy diagnosed with inoperable brain cancer and sent home to die. He

didn't

> > like how it was going so he shot himself in the head.

> >

> > Someone called 911, they rushed him to the emergency room and saved him,

> > and

> > also found out the bullet had blown out the tumor and cured his cancer!

> >

> > I always thought of that as God reminding the surgeon of who really

could

> > perform miracles :-)

> >

> > However, shooting yourself in the head to try to cure your cancer based

on

> > this story makes more sense than most of what I see on the net about

" and

> > that autistic boy XXXXX. " At least the cancer story is actually true,

when

> > I've looked into these other stories they often are not.

> >

> > The ones that are fall under the umbrella that if you do something

random

> > to

> > enough people, one of them will end up exhibiting whatever phenomenon

you

> > are looking for totally by chance.

> >

> > It's like the silly ads on my computer screen all the time " Tacoma Mom

lost

> > 43 pounds following one simple rule! " Etc.

> >

> > If you care about your kid at all, take responsibility and think things

> > through. Comments like " it's just food, it must be safe! " are pretty

silly

> > in light of how many people get food poisoning, and of things like

> > Lathyrism, a disease where eating a certain kind of pea causes paralysis

in

> > many people.

> >

> > You don't want some possibly made up story about somebody got better

once

> > (maybe) doing something wonderful and easy.

> >

> > You want lots of concrete, factual information, presented in a way you

can

> > check for yourself and understand it well, that is clearly related to

your

> > kid's situation. It should come from a credible source that has been

saying

> > the same thing for a while, not a different random thing every year or

two.

> >

> > Whether or not this goes along with your personal worldview, or is too

> > conservative, your kid deserves nothing less than you taking some

personal

> > responsibility to really figure out if what you are going to do for them

is

> > a good idea or not. Remember, they got turned autistic because you

didn't

> > do

> > that - but that time it was a lot easier to excuse since there was this

> > whole institution of people pretending to great expertise that were

telling

> > you made up lies about the safety of vaccines and the lack of any

> > connection

> > between them and autism.

> >

> > Andy

> >

> > http://www.noamalgam.com/index.html

> > Amalgam Illness: Diagnosis and Treatment

> >

> > http://www.noamalgam.com/hairtestbook.html

> > Hair Test Interpretation: Finding Hidden Toxicities

> >

> > http://www.noamalgam.com/nourishinghope.html

> > Nourishing Hope for Autism: Nutrition Intervention for Healing Our

Children

> >

> > http://www.noamalgam.com/biologicaltreatments.html

> > Biological Treatments for Autism and PDD

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Keep googling, I have done 3 years of medical research on this

I have never even done a hair test so how would one compare before and after..

and almost all drs agree you do not treat anything on a diagnostic tool alone…

Proof is in the pudding .. I have a health recovered child.. a bee is not

supposed to fly right lol

Do your own work, I can lead you to water but I cannot make you drink.. and like

I said .. I say what has worked for us .. Inever ever discourage anyone from

finding their own path for their own child

Can you say the same?

From: [mailto: ] On

Behalf Of

Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 12:53 PM

Subject: Re: [ ] Re: I mean Cilantro chelation---Raw goat milk

[ ] Re: I mean Cilantro chelation

> We read a story about a study that eat " freshly chopped cilantro only 0.25

cup per day " ( which is not much), mixed with a bowl of fresh salad, I like

to sprinkle them on top of my entree (stew meat or fish), for 3 weeks

straight ( 0.25 cup of fresh chopped cilantro), and that made an autistic

boy starting to talk.

This kind of silliness reminds me of the news story in the 1980's about the

guy diagnosed with inoperable brain cancer and sent home to die. He didn't

like how it was going so he shot himself in the head.

Someone called 911, they rushed him to the emergency room and saved him, and

also found out the bullet had blown out the tumor and cured his cancer!

I always thought of that as God reminding the surgeon of who really could

perform miracles :-)

However, shooting yourself in the head to try to cure your cancer based on

this story makes more sense than most of what I see on the net about " and

that autistic boy XXXXX. " At least the cancer story is actually true, when

I've looked into these other stories they often are not.

The ones that are fall under the umbrella that if you do something random to

enough people, one of them will end up exhibiting whatever phenomenon you

are looking for totally by chance.

It's like the silly ads on my computer screen all the time " Tacoma Mom lost

43 pounds following one simple rule! " Etc.

If you care about your kid at all, take responsibility and think things

through. Comments like " it's just food, it must be safe! " are pretty silly

in light of how many people get food poisoning, and of things like

Lathyrism, a disease where eating a certain kind of pea causes paralysis in

many people.

You don't want some possibly made up story about somebody got better once

(maybe) doing something wonderful and easy.

You want lots of concrete, factual information, presented in a way you can

check for yourself and understand it well, that is clearly related to your

kid's situation. It should come from a credible source that has been saying

the same thing for a while, not a different random thing every year or two.

Whether or not this goes along with your personal worldview, or is too

conservative, your kid deserves nothing less than you taking some personal

responsibility to really figure out if what you are going to do for them is

a good idea or not. Remember, they got turned autistic because you didn't do

that - but that time it was a lot easier to excuse since there was this

whole institution of people pretending to great expertise that were telling

you made up lies about the safety of vaccines and the lack of any connection

between them and autism.

Andy

http://www.noamalgam.com/index.html

Amalgam Illness: Diagnosis and Treatment

http://www.noamalgam.com/hairtestbook.html

Hair Test Interpretation: Finding Hidden Toxicities

http://www.noamalgam.com/nourishinghope.html

Nourishing Hope for Autism: Nutrition Intervention for Healing Our Children

http://www.noamalgam.com/biologicaltreatments.html

Biological Treatments for Autism and PDD

[Guest guest]

I think it's great that you've discovered how to safely put healing fats and

enzymes into your child's body. I hope that you will consider that the goats

milk heals along the same lines as a ketogenic diet, HBOT, stem cell therapy,

etc. which is great, BUT it doesn't take mercury out of the brain. If your son

exhibits signs of ADD/ADHD, auditory processing disorder, impulsive behavior,

learning difficulty, vision problems, obsessions, etc. you could reconsider

chelation. These are the kinds of things (a few of them) that did not go away

when my son supposedly " recovered " from PDD with early intervention and not much

else. Chelation is doing wonders for this child who already appears to be

typical.

Liz

>

> From: Crystal Palmer-Bull <cpalmerbull@...

<mailto:cpalmerbull%40crystalimagingstudio.net>

<mailto:cpalmerbull%40crystalimagingstudio.net>

<mailto:cpalmerbull%40crystalimagingstudio.net> >

> Subject: RE: [ ] Re: I mean Cilantro chelation

> <mailto: %40>

<mailto: %40>

<mailto: %40>

> Date: Thursday, July 1, 2010, 8:11 PM

>

> Things like that happen all the time.. impossible right ... wrong. My son

> was dx with autism.. it was real. but now he recovered . they say oh must

> not have been autism..

>

> My dad had some health issues and was getting checked out they did some scan

> of his liver and said get your affairs in order you have end stage liver

> cancer yadda yadda. well My dad is still here and that was 20 years ago.

> turned out they were non cancer cysts on his liver .

>

> The medical community doesn't know crap most of the time and therefore it

> makes even more of these stories.

>

> You can say you don't believe me when my son looked me in the eye

> (sustainably ) for the 1st time just hours after dinking his 1st cup of RAW

> goat milk. you can say you don't believe me . that's fine . my kid is

> healthy and flourishing, reading and writing, singing and dancing and

> playing baseball and is very popular. You don't have to believe me but you

> should.

>

> From: <mailto: %40>

<mailto: %40>

<mailto: %40> [mailto:

<mailto: %40>

<mailto: %40>

<mailto: %40> ]

> On Behalf Of andrewhallcutler

> Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 7:21 PM

> <mailto: %40>

<mailto: %40>

<mailto: %40>

> Subject: [ ] Re: I mean Cilantro chelation

>

> > We read a story about a study that eat " freshly chopped cilantro only 0.25

> cup per day " ( which is not much), mixed with a bowl of fresh salad, I like

> to sprinkle them on top of my entree (stew meat or fish), for 3 weeks

> straight ( 0.25 cup of fresh chopped cilantro), and that made an autistic

> boy starting to talk.

>

> This kind of silliness reminds me of the news story in the 1980's about the

> guy diagnosed with inoperable brain cancer and sent home to die. He didn't

> like how it was going so he shot himself in the head.

>

> Someone called 911, they rushed him to the emergency room and saved him, and

> also found out the bullet had blown out the tumor and cured his cancer!

>

> I always thought of that as God reminding the surgeon of who really could

> perform miracles :-)

>

> However, shooting yourself in the head to try to cure your cancer based on

> this story makes more sense than most of what I see on the net about " and

> that autistic boy XXXXX. " At least the cancer story is actually true, when

> I've looked into these other stories they often are not.

>

> The ones that are fall under the umbrella that if you do something random to

> enough people, one of them will end up exhibiting whatever phenomenon you

> are looking for totally by chance.

>

> It's like the silly ads on my computer screen all the time " Tacoma Mom lost

> 43 pounds following one simple rule! " Etc.

>

> If you care about your kid at all, take responsibility and think things

> through. Comments like " it's just food, it must be safe! " are pretty silly

> in light of how many people get food poisoning, and of things like

> Lathyrism, a disease where eating a certain kind of pea causes paralysis in

> many people.

>

> You don't want some possibly made up story about somebody got better once

> (maybe) doing something wonderful and easy.

>

> You want lots of concrete, factual information, presented in a way you can

> check for yourself and understand it well, that is clearly related to your

> kid's situation. It should come from a credible source that has been saying

> the same thing for a while, not a different random thing every year or two.

>

> Whether or not this goes along with your personal worldview, or is too

> conservative, your kid deserves nothing less than you taking some personal

> responsibility to really figure out if what you are going to do for them is

> a good idea or not. Remember, they got turned autistic because you didn't do

> that - but that time it was a lot easier to excuse since there was this

> whole institution of people pretending to great expertise that were telling

> you made up lies about the safety of vaccines and the lack of any connection

> between them and autism.

>

> Andy

>

> http://www.noamalgam.com/index.html

> Amalgam Illness: Diagnosis and Treatment

>

> http://www.noamalgam.com/hairtestbook.html

> Hair Test Interpretation: Finding Hidden Toxicities

>

> http://www.noamalgam.com/nourishinghope.html

> Nourishing Hope for Autism: Nutrition Intervention for Healing Our Children

>

> http://www.noamalgam.com/biologicaltreatments.html

> Biological Treatments for Autism and PDD

>

>

[Guest guest]

I'm not in the business of spreading ignorance (unlearned) assertions, like milk

chelates mercury. If you've done medical research for 3 years you skipped the

part about needing a dithiol substance to remove mercury. Milk is a monothiol

substance.

Mine drank raw milk, she recovered, but we also did 188 rounds of chelation.

Spend some more time in your research figuring out what it takes to get mercury

out of the body.

We do agree on this, raw milk is one of natures most perfect foods. The

properties in milk can hardly be replicated by supplements and I find it hard,

if not impossible to plan a balanced diet without it.

But some kids just can't tolerate until chelation.

I'm glad your son is better, but if he was mercury toxic before the milk, he's

still mercury toxic and you need to get it out. I noticed you did not provide

the hair tests.

[ ] Re: I mean Cilantro chelation

> We read a story about a study that eat " freshly chopped cilantro only 0.25

cup per day " ( which is not much), mixed with a bowl of fresh salad, I like

to sprinkle them on top of my entree (stew meat or fish), for 3 weeks

straight ( 0.25 cup of fresh chopped cilantro), and that made an autistic

boy starting to talk.

This kind of silliness reminds me of the news story in the 1980's about the

guy diagnosed with inoperable brain cancer and sent home to die. He didn't

like how it was going so he shot himself in the head.

Someone called 911, they rushed him to the emergency room and saved him, and

also found out the bullet had blown out the tumor and cured his cancer!

I always thought of that as God reminding the surgeon of who really could

perform miracles :-)

However, shooting yourself in the head to try to cure your cancer based on

this story makes more sense than most of what I see on the net about " and

that autistic boy XXXXX. " At least the cancer story is actually true, when

I've looked into these other stories they often are not.

The ones that are fall under the umbrella that if you do something random to

enough people, one of them will end up exhibiting whatever phenomenon you

are looking for totally by chance.

It's like the silly ads on my computer screen all the time " Tacoma Mom lost

43 pounds following one simple rule! " Etc.

If you care about your kid at all, take responsibility and think things

through. Comments like " it's just food, it must be safe! " are pretty silly

in light of how many people get food poisoning, and of things like

Lathyrism, a disease where eating a certain kind of pea causes paralysis in

many people.

You don't want some possibly made up story about somebody got better once

(maybe) doing something wonderful and easy.

You want lots of concrete, factual information, presented in a way you can

check for yourself and understand it well, that is clearly related to your

kid's situation. It should come from a credible source that has been saying

the same thing for a while, not a different random thing every year or two.

Whether or not this goes along with your personal worldview, or is too

conservative, your kid deserves nothing less than you taking some personal

responsibility to really figure out if what you are going to do for them is

a good idea or not. Remember, they got turned autistic because you didn't do

that - but that time it was a lot easier to excuse since there was this

whole institution of people pretending to great expertise that were telling

you made up lies about the safety of vaccines and the lack of any connection

between them and autism.

Andy

http://www.noamalgam.com/index.html

Amalgam Illness: Diagnosis and Treatment

http://www.noamalgam.com/hairtestbook.html

Hair Test Interpretation: Finding Hidden Toxicities

http://www.noamalgam.com/nourishinghope.html

Nourishing Hope for Autism: Nutrition Intervention for Healing Our Children

http://www.noamalgam.com/biologicaltreatments.html

Biological Treatments for Autism and PDD

[Guest guest]

Gee , you are frequently mean and disrespectful when you discuss your

child's recovery. You and Crystal seem to have some weird " recovered kid "

beauty pageant going on.

You both have recovered children and that is wonderful. Stop being so mean to

each other and thank God. Not everyone is going to be that lucky. Not even

those who replicate exactly what you did.

What do you want, a cookie? For Christ sake already, enjoy your kids and quit

competing.

Jen

>

> From: Crystal Palmer-Bull <cpalmerbull@...

<mailto:cpalmerbull%40crystalimagingstudio.net>

<mailto:cpalmerbull%40crystalimagingstudio.net>

<mailto:cpalmerbull%40crystalimagingstudio.net> >

> Subject: RE: [ ] Re: I mean Cilantro chelation

> <mailto: %40>

<mailto: %40>

<mailto: %40>

> Date: Thursday, July 1, 2010, 8:11 PM

>

> Things like that happen all the time.. impossible right ... wrong. My son

> was dx with autism.. it was real. but now he recovered . they say oh must

> not have been autism..

>

> My dad had some health issues and was getting checked out they did some scan

> of his liver and said get your affairs in order you have end stage liver

> cancer yadda yadda. well My dad is still here and that was 20 years ago.

> turned out they were non cancer cysts on his liver .

>

> The medical community doesn't know crap most of the time and therefore it

> makes even more of these stories.

>

> You can say you don't believe me when my son looked me in the eye

> (sustainably ) for the 1st time just hours after dinking his 1st cup of RAW

> goat milk. you can say you don't believe me . that's fine . my kid is

> healthy and flourishing, reading and writing, singing and dancing and

> playing baseball and is very popular. You don't have to believe me but you

> should.

>

> From:

<mailto: %40>

<mailto: %40>

<mailto: %40> [mailto:

<mailto: %40>

<mailto: %40>

<mailto: %40> ]

> On Behalf Of andrewhallcutler

> Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 7:21 PM

> <mailto: %40>

<mailto: %40>

<mailto: %40>

> Subject: [ ] Re: I mean Cilantro chelation

>

> > We read a story about a study that eat " freshly chopped cilantro only 0.25

> cup per day " ( which is not much), mixed with a bowl of fresh salad, I like

> to sprinkle them on top of my entree (stew meat or fish), for 3 weeks

> straight ( 0.25 cup of fresh chopped cilantro), and that made an autistic

> boy starting to talk.

>

> This kind of silliness reminds me of the news story in the 1980's about the

> guy diagnosed with inoperable brain cancer and sent home to die. He didn't

> like how it was going so he shot himself in the head.

>

> Someone called 911, they rushed him to the emergency room and saved him, and

> also found out the bullet had blown out the tumor and cured his cancer!

>

> I always thought of that as God reminding the surgeon of who really could

> perform miracles :-)

>

> However, shooting yourself in the head to try to cure your cancer based on

> this story makes more sense than most of what I see on the net about " and

> that autistic boy XXXXX. " At least the cancer story is actually true, when

> I've looked into these other stories they often are not.

>

> The ones that are fall under the umbrella that if you do something random to

> enough people, one of them will end up exhibiting whatever phenomenon you

> are looking for totally by chance.

>

> It's like the silly ads on my computer screen all the time " Tacoma Mom lost

> 43 pounds following one simple rule! " Etc.

>

> If you care about your kid at all, take responsibility and think things

> through. Comments like " it's just food, it must be safe! " are pretty silly

> in light of how many people get food poisoning, and of things like

> Lathyrism, a disease where eating a certain kind of pea causes paralysis in

> many people.

>

> You don't want some possibly made up story about somebody got better once

> (maybe) doing something wonderful and easy.

>

> You want lots of concrete, factual information, presented in a way you can

> check for yourself and understand it well, that is clearly related to your

> kid's situation. It should come from a credible source that has been saying

> the same thing for a while, not a different random thing every year or two.

>

> Whether or not this goes along with your personal worldview, or is too

> conservative, your kid deserves nothing less than you taking some personal

> responsibility to really figure out if what you are going to do for them is

> a good idea or not. Remember, they got turned autistic because you didn't do

> that - but that time it was a lot easier to excuse since there was this

> whole institution of people pretending to great expertise that were telling

> you made up lies about the safety of vaccines and the lack of any connection

> between them and autism.

>

> Andy

>

> http://www.noamalgam.com/index.html

> Amalgam Illness: Diagnosis and Treatment

>

> http://www.noamalgam.com/hairtestbook.html

> Hair Test Interpretation: Finding Hidden Toxicities

>

> http://www.noamalgam.com/nourishinghope.html

> Nourishing Hope for Autism: Nutrition Intervention for Healing Our Children

>

> http://www.noamalgam.com/biologicaltreatments.html

> Biological Treatments for Autism and PDD

>

>

[Guest guest]

I always want a cookie, how did you know?

If you take away the hype and the " feelings " we are left with the fact that

Crystal asserts that raw milk removed the mercury. I'm asking her to prove it,

beyond the drama.

Remember that Andy's definition of recovered is " can eat anything " .

I've no doubt raw milk can cause improvement, saw it here. But to assert that

milk can remove all the mercury from your kid's body is to defy the laws of

nature.

[ ] Re: I mean Cilantro chelation

>

> > We read a story about a study that eat " freshly chopped cilantro only 0.25

> cup per day " ( which is not much), mixed with a bowl of fresh salad, I like

> to sprinkle them on top of my entree (stew meat or fish), for 3 weeks

> straight ( 0.25 cup of fresh chopped cilantro), and that made an autistic

> boy starting to talk.

>

> This kind of silliness reminds me of the news story in the 1980's about the

> guy diagnosed with inoperable brain cancer and sent home to die. He didn't

> like how it was going so he shot himself in the head.

>

> Someone called 911, they rushed him to the emergency room and saved him, and

> also found out the bullet had blown out the tumor and cured his cancer!

>

> I always thought of that as God reminding the surgeon of who really could

> perform miracles :-)

>

> However, shooting yourself in the head to try to cure your cancer based on

> this story makes more sense than most of what I see on the net about " and

> that autistic boy XXXXX. " At least the cancer story is actually true, when

> I've looked into these other stories they often are not.

>

> The ones that are fall under the umbrella that if you do something random to

> enough people, one of them will end up exhibiting whatever phenomenon you

> are looking for totally by chance.

>

> It's like the silly ads on my computer screen all the time " Tacoma Mom lost

> 43 pounds following one simple rule! " Etc.

>

> If you care about your kid at all, take responsibility and think things

> through. Comments like " it's just food, it must be safe! " are pretty silly

> in light of how many people get food poisoning, and of things like

> Lathyrism, a disease where eating a certain kind of pea causes paralysis in

> many people.

>

> You don't want some possibly made up story about somebody got better once

> (maybe) doing something wonderful and easy.

>

> You want lots of concrete, factual information, presented in a way you can

> check for yourself and understand it well, that is clearly related to your

> kid's situation. It should come from a credible source that has been saying

> the same thing for a while, not a different random thing every year or two.

>

> Whether or not this goes along with your personal worldview, or is too

> conservative, your kid deserves nothing less than you taking some personal

> responsibility to really figure out if what you are going to do for them is

> a good idea or not. Remember, they got turned autistic because you didn't do

> that - but that time it was a lot easier to excuse since there was this

> whole institution of people pretending to great expertise that were telling

> you made up lies about the safety of vaccines and the lack of any connection

> between them and autism.

>

> Andy

>

> http://www.noamalgam.com/index.html

> Amalgam Illness: Diagnosis and Treatment

>

> http://www.noamalgam.com/hairtestbook.html

> Hair Test Interpretation: Finding Hidden Toxicities

>

> http://www.noamalgam.com/nourishinghope.html

> Nourishing Hope for Autism: Nutrition Intervention for Healing Our Children

>

> http://www.noamalgam.com/biologicaltreatments.html

> Biological Treatments for Autism and PDD

>

>

[Guest guest]

Well I guess if all the mercury is gone, you can have a cookie with gluten in

it?

I guess it is hard to read whether something is a spiteful argument or

an honest debate in email. Not having a recovered child, I read these posts

sometimes and wonder why people with recovered children would turn on each

other, but maybe I'm not understanding the tone.

Honestly though, everytime I try AC chelation (and we just tried it again last

week) my son experiences numbness in either his legs, face or mouth. It scares

him and it scares me.

When I hear people say essentialy that the only way to cure autism is to get the

mercury out, I worry that in our case, we may be doing more damage than good.

We did follow the strict 3 hour low dosing last week (just ALA.) Two and a half

days in, he said, " Mom, I have to tell you that my face feels funny again. "

I stopped the round because I worry that I could be doing neurological damage to

my son. Another mom on my facebook page commented her son had seizures when she

attempted AC chelation (of course this is second hand facebook info.)

I would love to just follow a protocol and recover my son from autism, but it

doesn't seem to be that easy for us. These cases all seem very complex and

individual.

Any advice for people who experience numbness with frequent low dose ALA

? Any advice on how to get a 15 year old to drink raw goats milk and not

one day write a memoir about how his crazy mother pushed every autism therapy in

the book on him Crystal?

Jen

> >

> > From: Crystal Palmer-Bull <cpalmerbull@

<mailto:cpalmerbull%40crystalimagingstudio.net>

<mailto:cpalmerbull%40crystalimagingstudio.net>

<mailto:cpalmerbull%40crystalimagingstudio.net> >

> > Subject: RE: [ ] Re: I mean Cilantro chelation

> >

<mailto: %40>

<mailto: %40>

<mailto: %40>

> > Date: Thursday, July 1, 2010, 8:11 PM

> >

> > Things like that happen all the time.. impossible right ... wrong. My son

> > was dx with autism.. it was real. but now he recovered . they say oh must

> > not have been autism..

> >

> > My dad had some health issues and was getting checked out they did some

scan

> > of his liver and said get your affairs in order you have end stage liver

> > cancer yadda yadda. well My dad is still here and that was 20 years ago.

> > turned out they were non cancer cysts on his liver .

> >

> > The medical community doesn't know crap most of the time and therefore it

> > makes even more of these stories.

> >

> > You can say you don't believe me when my son looked me in the eye

> > (sustainably ) for the 1st time just hours after dinking his 1st cup of

RAW

> > goat milk. you can say you don't believe me . that's fine . my kid is

> > healthy and flourishing, reading and writing, singing and dancing and

> > playing baseball and is very popular. You don't have to believe me but you

> > should.

> >

> > From:

<mailto: %40>

<mailto: %40>

<mailto: %40> [mailto:

<mailto: %40>

<mailto: %40>

<mailto: %40> ]

> > On Behalf Of andrewhallcutler

> > Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 7:21 PM

> >

<mailto: %40>

<mailto: %40>

<mailto: %40>

> > Subject: [ ] Re: I mean Cilantro chelation

> >

> > > We read a story about a study that eat " freshly chopped cilantro only

0.25

> > cup per day " ( which is not much), mixed with a bowl of fresh salad, I

like

> > to sprinkle them on top of my entree (stew meat or fish), for 3 weeks

> > straight ( 0.25 cup of fresh chopped cilantro), and that made an autistic

> > boy starting to talk.

> >

> > This kind of silliness reminds me of the news story in the 1980's about

the

> > guy diagnosed with inoperable brain cancer and sent home to die. He didn't

> > like how it was going so he shot himself in the head.

> >

> > Someone called 911, they rushed him to the emergency room and saved him,

and

> > also found out the bullet had blown out the tumor and cured his cancer!

> >

> > I always thought of that as God reminding the surgeon of who really could

> > perform miracles :-)

> >

> > However, shooting yourself in the head to try to cure your cancer based on

> > this story makes more sense than most of what I see on the net about " and

> > that autistic boy XXXXX. " At least the cancer story is actually true, when

> > I've looked into these other stories they often are not.

> >

> > The ones that are fall under the umbrella that if you do something random

to

> > enough people, one of them will end up exhibiting whatever phenomenon you

> > are looking for totally by chance.

> >

> > It's like the silly ads on my computer screen all the time " Tacoma Mom

lost

> > 43 pounds following one simple rule! " Etc.

> >

> > If you care about your kid at all, take responsibility and think things

> > through. Comments like " it's just food, it must be safe! " are pretty silly

> > in light of how many people get food poisoning, and of things like

> > Lathyrism, a disease where eating a certain kind of pea causes paralysis

in

> > many people.

> >

> > You don't want some possibly made up story about somebody got better once

> > (maybe) doing something wonderful and easy.

> >

> > You want lots of concrete, factual information, presented in a way you can

> > check for yourself and understand it well, that is clearly related to your

> > kid's situation. It should come from a credible source that has been

saying

> > the same thing for a while, not a different random thing every year or

two.

> >

> > Whether or not this goes along with your personal worldview, or is too

> > conservative, your kid deserves nothing less than you taking some personal

> > responsibility to really figure out if what you are going to do for them

is

> > a good idea or not. Remember, they got turned autistic because you didn't

do

> > that - but that time it was a lot easier to excuse since there was this

> > whole institution of people pretending to great expertise that were

telling

> > you made up lies about the safety of vaccines and the lack of any

connection

> > between them and autism.

> >

> > Andy

> >

> > http://www.noamalgam.com/index.html

> > Amalgam Illness: Diagnosis and Treatment

> >

> > http://www.noamalgam.com/hairtestbook.html

> > Hair Test Interpretation: Finding Hidden Toxicities

> >

> > http://www.noamalgam.com/nourishinghope.html

> > Nourishing Hope for Autism: Nutrition Intervention for Healing Our

Children

> >

> > http://www.noamalgam.com/biologicaltreatments.html

> > Biological Treatments for Autism and PDD

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

[ ] Re: I mean Cilantro chelation

> >

> > > We read a story about a study that eat " freshly chopped cilantro only

0.25

> > cup per day " ( which is not much), mixed with a bowl of fresh salad, I

like

> > to sprinkle them on top of my entree (stew meat or fish), for 3 weeks

> > straight ( 0.25 cup of fresh chopped cilantro), and that made an autistic

> > boy starting to talk.

> >

> > This kind of silliness reminds me of the news story in the 1980's about

the

> > guy diagnosed with inoperable brain cancer and sent home to die. He didn't

> > like how it was going so he shot himself in the head.

> >

> > Someone called 911, they rushed him to the emergency room and saved him,

and

> > also found out the bullet had blown out the tumor and cured his cancer!

> >

> > I always thought of that as God reminding the surgeon of who really could

> > perform miracles :-)

> >

> > However, shooting yourself in the head to try to cure your cancer based on

> > this story makes more sense than most of what I see on the net about " and

> > that autistic boy XXXXX. " At least the cancer story is actually true, when

> > I've looked into these other stories they often are not.

> >

> > The ones that are fall under the umbrella that if you do something random

to

> > enough people, one of them will end up exhibiting whatever phenomenon you

> > are looking for totally by chance.

> >

> > It's like the silly ads on my computer screen all the time " Tacoma Mom

lost

> > 43 pounds following one simple rule! " Etc.

> >

> > If you care about your kid at all, take responsibility and think things

> > through. Comments like " it's just food, it must be safe! " are pretty silly

> > in light of how many people get food poisoning, and of things like

> > Lathyrism, a disease where eating a certain kind of pea causes paralysis

in

> > many people.

> >

> > You don't want some possibly made up story about somebody got better once

> > (maybe) doing something wonderful and easy.

> >

> > You want lots of concrete, factual information, presented in a way you can

> > check for yourself and understand it well, that is clearly related to your

> > kid's situation. It should come from a credible source that has been

saying

> > the same thing for a while, not a different random thing every year or

two.

> >

> > Whether or not this goes along with your personal worldview, or is too

> > conservative, your kid deserves nothing less than you taking some personal

> > responsibility to really figure out if what you are going to do for them

is

> > a good idea or not. Remember, they got turned autistic because you didn't

do

> > that - but that time it was a lot easier to excuse since there was this

> > whole institution of people pretending to great expertise that were

telling

> > you made up lies about the safety of vaccines and the lack of any

connection

> > between them and autism.

> >

> > Andy

> >

> > http://www.noamalgam.com/index.html

> > Amalgam Illness: Diagnosis and Treatment

> >

> > http://www.noamalgam.com/hairtestbook.html

> > Hair Test Interpretation: Finding Hidden Toxicities

> >

> > http://www.noamalgam.com/nourishinghope.html

> > Nourishing Hope for Autism: Nutrition Intervention for Healing Our

Children

> >

> > http://www.noamalgam.com/biologicaltreatments.html

> > Biological Treatments for Autism and PDD

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

>

> And yes, we can eat cookies with gluten :=) but I try not to.

~~~Hey if you can eat them, eat them. I think that is something a lot of

parents on this list wish their kids could do. More than say, tie their own

shoes.

My son went off GFCF (and other allergies) when he responded to secretin, and

then benefitted from enzymes. We are not going back either!!!

>

> In the beginning when I was tracking down reports and actually seeing what

people considered " recovered " kids, I was shocked to say the least. So I don't

put a lot of faith in people's internet accounts of recovery. My best example is

the Mom who described her child as recovered, but he was nonverbal. I also don't

believe videos as I had a kid with such a variable skill set from day to day,

who you could film for 24 hours, let alone 5 minutes, on certain days and swear

she was fine. Many have kids like this.

~~~Yes, my son is like that. Bystanders don't know he's autistic. I could make

a convincing YouTube video if I wanted too, but he does still have some of the

'tism left in him. I also taught a second grader who I called " passing " because

it was so close, I was asking her mother, " where's the autism? " I got to see it

when she returned to school after she had experienced a grand mal seizure at

home. Within a few weeks, she was back to " passing " again.

>

>

> The numbness your son experiences is a normal response to the mercury

mobilizing, which is what it does before it is excreted.

~~~ Then you advise to finish the round even after he complains of the numbness

so the mercury cab be excreted through urine and stool? It is just moving to be

dumped?

I won't comment on raw goats milk because we haven't tried it. I butted in the

debate because I was feeling a bit argumentative myself. What a weird parallel

universe we live in when we have autism in our lives. There are so few people

in my life who know what I'm talking about so I must find internet friends to

debate with.

I'm happy for anyone whose child has improved and/or recovered and I love and

respect many children with autism who are far from recovered. I get so

frustrated when I hear the stupid judgements some educators make about their

students and the choices their parents make (or don't make.) I think that those

of us that have to actually live this life and make these hard choices should

stick together.

When I say that, I'm including the families of fully recovered children because

once you've lived it, it's like the Hotel California. " You can check out anytime

you like, but you can never leave. " I bet that's why you still post here.

Jen

[Guest guest]

----- Original Message -----

From: S

===>Well, I try not to eat cookies, not because of the gluten, but for weight

reasons, she eats them just fine. We did use soaked wheat bread, still do, she

no longer needs it but to her, it's bread. Soaking the flour makes the wheat

more digestible, doesn't interfere with enzymes, mineral absorption.

~~~Yes, my son is like that. Bystanders don't know he's autistic. I could make

a convincing YouTube video if I wanted too, but he does still have some of the

'tism left in him. I also taught a second grader who I called " passing " because

it was so close, I was asking her mother, " where's the autism? " I got to see it

when she returned to school after she had experienced a grand mal seizure at

home. Within a few weeks, she was back to " passing " again.

====> You brought up seizures in your former post and I wanted to say that 30

percent of our kids will develop seizures during their lifetime, those are kids

who are not chelated as the figure was derived long before chelation came upon

the scene. Chelation can make underlying seizure issues temporarily worse but

chelation doesn't " cause " seizures. Seizures are more evidence of vaccine damage

and mercury toxicity.

Seizures, as well as everything else our kids are at higher risk for, like

Bipolar Disorder, Depression and every autoimmune disorder know to man is WHY it

matter what removes mercury and what doesn't. It may seem nicer to remain quiet

and let people think milk removes mercury until they develop one or more of

these conditions, but it doesn't seem nice to me.

> The numbness your son experiences is a normal response to the mercury

mobilizing, which is what it does before it is excreted.

~~~ Then you advise to finish the round even after he complains of the

numbness so the mercury cab be excreted through urine and stool? It is just

moving to be dumped?

====>Yes, the mercury is just moving to be excreted. I can't believe I forgot

this but after 's post I remembered that we also had hand problems, not so

much numbness, but pain, about a year before we quit chelating. We massaged her

hands for months and months every night before bed. And this was just not on

round, but all the time. It was not horrible pain, she said it was like an ache.

But after the pain left, her fine motor was spectacular and she learned to tie

her shoes.

So, yes, for sure, finish the round and do a lot more rounds.====>

I'm happy for anyone whose child has improved and/or recovered and I love and

respect many children with autism who are far from recovered. I get so

frustrated when I hear the stupid judgements some educators make about their

students and the choices their parents make (or don't make.) I think that those

of us that have to actually live this life and make these hard choices should

stick together.

====>Support, like so many other things, should be earned. If my kid decides

she's not going to study for a test and just wing it, I'm not supporting that. I

may let her try it out to find out the consequences might not be what she likes

because she likes her A's, but I'm not going to tell her that I think it will

turn out all right. And how supportive would that be, really?

As women I think we sometimes worry more about feelings, even over substance.

And for the sake of our childrens' future, that doesn't seem productive to me

and aren't we here primarily to accomplish something. I think we all need to put

on our big girl pants and quit falling apart everytime someone doesn't agree

with our idea. It's just an idea. I've had lots of dumb ideas, probably will

have a lot more dumb ideas but I'm lucky in that along with family and friends

who support me when it's deserved you can bet they care enough about me to tell

me when I hatch an idea that I think at the time is brilliant, but is really

just a big calamity waiting to happen.

Best wishes

[Guest guest]

I feel every mom knows their child best.. and only they can see what their

path is ahead…

If your son writes a book someday … I am sure he will thank the mother who

never gave up on him and obviously so if he is an author! I am sure he will

know you were smart enough to sift thru what was out there and be his

advocate. There are things I have tried and some that have been more

helpful than others but I always consulted my dr and she always said it

followed the line of good nutrition .. and that nothing I ever tried could

have hurt him. I think the 1st rule of medicine .. to do no hard is often

overlooked ,… even by dr’s and most of the time we are waiting for or

helping the

Body to heal itself.

Good nutrition is something However I do not find controversial or

experimental nor should it be a considered ½ baked or anything of the sort.

The basis of good health starts with good nutrition point blank.. I think we

all agree on that. Certainly traditional diets … used for thousands of years

should not be considered controversial either. I believe most of the world

drinks goat milk, as most places cannot sustain cattle and only westernized

countries have a system of pasteurization on a mass level. So it is more

than safe to say that raw goat milk is part of the daily diet for most of

the world.. I think we are safe!

I have no other reason but to want to share my experience … ion hopes that

just one other child may find some relief…. Even if not on the same level as

mine.

I have many woman from these boards now trying it and having great results

and the most negative result was one person noticing NO progress… but no

negatives either … AND THAT WAS PASTURIZED >>> not even RAW.. I am hearing

feedback like dry at night for the 1st time ever .. yeast infections gone in

days .. and … elimination of constipation issues..so I am no dr but I

already feel I have lived and my son have lived a purpose…

MY community is passing a no animal law and I may face losing my mini goats

and these same woman are so supportive now because seeing was believing …

that they are writing letters on my behalf.

It is not that farfetched, raw milks are being studied for all sorts of

autoimmune and Gi issues.

From: [mailto: ]

On Behalf Of S

Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2010 10:27 AM

Subject: [ ] Re: I mean Cilantro chelation---Raw goat milk

Well I guess if all the mercury is gone, you can have a cookie with gluten

in it?

I guess it is hard to read whether something is a spiteful argument or

an honest debate in email. Not having a recovered child, I read these posts

sometimes and wonder why people with recovered children would turn on each

other, but maybe I'm not understanding the tone.

Honestly though, everytime I try AC chelation (and we just tried it again

last week) my son experiences numbness in either his legs, face or mouth. It

scares him and it scares me.

When I hear people say essentialy that the only way to cure autism is to get

the mercury out, I worry that in our case, we may be doing more damage than

good. We did follow the strict 3 hour low dosing last week (just ALA.) Two

and a half days in, he said, " Mom, I have to tell you that my face feels

funny again. "

I stopped the round because I worry that I could be doing neurological

damage to my son. Another mom on my facebook page commented her son had

seizures when she attempted AC chelation (of course this is second hand

facebook info.)

I would love to just follow a protocol and recover my son from autism, but

it doesn't seem to be that easy for us. These cases all seem very complex

and individual.

Any advice for people who experience numbness with frequent low dose ALA

? Any advice on how to get a 15 year old to drink raw goats milk and

not one day write a memoir about how his crazy mother pushed every autism

therapy in the book on him Crystal?

Jen

> >

> > From: Crystal Palmer-Bull <cpalmerbull@

<mailto:cpalmerbull%40crystalimagingstudio.net>

<mailto:cpalmerbull%40crystalimagingstudio.net>

<mailto:cpalmerbull%40crystalimagingstudio.net> >

> > Subject: RE: [ ] Re: I mean Cilantro chelation

> >

<mailto: %40>

<mailto: %40>

<mailto: %40>

<mailto: %40>

> > Date: Thursday, July 1, 2010, 8:11 PM

> >

> > Things like that happen all the time.. impossible right ... wrong. My

son

> > was dx with autism.. it was real. but now he recovered . they say oh

must

> > not have been autism..

> >

> > My dad had some health issues and was getting checked out they did some

scan

> > of his liver and said get your affairs in order you have end stage liver

> > cancer yadda yadda. well My dad is still here and that was 20 years ago.

> > turned out they were non cancer cysts on his liver .

> >

> > The medical community doesn't know crap most of the time and therefore

it

> > makes even more of these stories.

> >

> > You can say you don't believe me when my son looked me in the eye

> > (sustainably ) for the 1st time just hours after dinking his 1st cup of

RAW

> > goat milk. you can say you don't believe me . that's fine . my kid is

> > healthy and flourishing, reading and writing, singing and dancing and

> > playing baseball and is very popular. You don't have to believe me but

you

> > should.

> >

> > From:

<mailto: %40>

<mailto: %40>

<mailto: %40>

<mailto: %40>

[mailto:

<mailto: %40>

<mailto: %40>

<mailto: %40>

<mailto: %40> ]

> > On Behalf Of andrewhallcutler

> > Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 7:21 PM

> >

<mailto: %40>

<mailto: %40>

<mailto: %40>

<mailto: %40>

> > Subject: [ ] Re: I mean Cilantro chelation

> >

> > > We read a story about a study that eat " freshly chopped cilantro only

0.25

> > cup per day " ( which is not much), mixed with a bowl of fresh salad, I

like

> > to sprinkle them on top of my entree (stew meat or fish), for 3 weeks

> > straight ( 0.25 cup of fresh chopped cilantro), and that made an

autistic

> > boy starting to talk.

> >

> > This kind of silliness reminds me of the news story in the 1980's about

the

> > guy diagnosed with inoperable brain cancer and sent home to die. He

didn't

> > like how it was going so he shot himself in the head.

> >

> > Someone called 911, they rushed him to the emergency room and saved him,

and

> > also found out the bullet had blown out the tumor and cured his cancer!

> >

> > I always thought of that as God reminding the surgeon of who really

could

> > perform miracles :-)

> >

> > However, shooting yourself in the head to try to cure your cancer based

on

> > this story makes more sense than most of what I see on the net about

" and

> > that autistic boy XXXXX. " At least the cancer story is actually true,

when

> > I've looked into these other stories they often are not.

> >

> > The ones that are fall under the umbrella that if you do something

random to

> > enough people, one of them will end up exhibiting whatever phenomenon

you

> > are looking for totally by chance.

> >

> > It's like the silly ads on my computer screen all the time " Tacoma Mom

lost

> > 43 pounds following one simple rule! " Etc.

> >

> > If you care about your kid at all, take responsibility and think things

> > through. Comments like " it's just food, it must be safe! " are pretty

silly

> > in light of how many people get food poisoning, and of things like

> > Lathyrism, a disease where eating a certain kind of pea causes paralysis

in

> > many people.

> >

> > You don't want some possibly made up story about somebody got better

once

> > (maybe) doing something wonderful and easy.

> >

> > You want lots of concrete, factual information, presented in a way you

can

> > check for yourself and understand it well, that is clearly related to

your

> > kid's situation. It should come from a credible source that has been

saying

> > the same thing for a while, not a different random thing every year or

two.

> >

> > Whether or not this goes along with your personal worldview, or is too

> > conservative, your kid deserves nothing less than you taking some

personal

> > responsibility to really figure out if what you are going to do for them

is

> > a good idea or not. Remember, they got turned autistic because you

didn't do

> > that - but that time it was a lot easier to excuse since there was this

> > whole institution of people pretending to great expertise that were

telling

> > you made up lies about the safety of vaccines and the lack of any

connection

> > between them and autism.

> >

> > Andy

> >

> > http://www.noamalgam.com/index.html

> > Amalgam Illness: Diagnosis and Treatment

> >

> > http://www.noamalgam.com/hairtestbook.html

> > Hair Test Interpretation: Finding Hidden Toxicities

> >

> > http://www.noamalgam.com/nourishinghope.html

> > Nourishing Hope for Autism: Nutrition Intervention for Healing Our

Children

> >

> > http://www.noamalgam.com/biologicaltreatments.html

> > Biological Treatments for Autism and PDD

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Basically I am not busy enough they want me to do their research for them….

Besides all the antioxidants which is what ALA is ..

When one looks at detoxing regimens they often include things that balance

the gut flora(probiotics ..yup in raw goat milk),(tons of vitamins and

minerals mainly…

<http://www.herbs2000.com/vitamins/v_b_complex.htm> B vitamins essential

in ablout all cell functions surly that would help the body of autistics

regulate and purge on a cellular level

Minerals like <http://www.herbs2000.com/minerals/zinc.htm> zinc and

<http://www.herbs2000.com/minerals/calcium.htm> calcium, as well as

<http://www.herbs2000.com/minerals/magnesium.htm> magnesium, and

<http://www.herbs2000.com/minerals/potassium.htm> potassium are also ideal.,

the vitamin A, the mineral zinc, as well as vitamin E, the mineral selenium,

and vitamin C in particular are ideal antioxidant supplements in all detox

programs.

Ok then read popular peditrition’s take on goat milk(and he isn’t even

talking RAW and all those alive and active probiotics and enzymes. And

fermenting with yogurt and kefir type cultures doubled B vitamins and folic

acid (folic acid in goat milk is not high until you ferment)

<http://askdrsears.com/html/3/t032400.asp>

http://askdrsears.com/html/3/t032400.asp

<http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=foodspice & dbid=131>

http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=foodspice & dbid=131

<http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/07/070730100229.htm>

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/07/070730100229.htm

I see raw goat milk like many pediatricians do … the closest to breast milk

we can find…..In my opinion .. (just mine) the body gets a “do over”

immunologically and GI , wise and therefore neurologically..

Hence my kid can now process food and other substances like other children..

we do not have regression .. even when we weaned one goat and he went 1

month with NO RAW MILK until the next doe delivered and he did not regress…

then we new were did some serious healing in his gut

We try to eat as healthy and as no sugary is we can .. as organic, non GMO

but I have not maintained a strict GF diet by any means and he east …in

social situations whatever he wants.. with no ill effects or regression….

But what we do day in and day out is I think what will help keep his body

working up to par and detoxing himself … like kids who don’t come down with

autism…

From: [mailto: ]

On Behalf Of S

Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2010 10:27 AM

Subject: [ ] Re: I mean Cilantro chelation---Raw goat milk

Well I guess if all the mercury is gone, you can have a cookie with gluten

in it?

I guess it is hard to read whether something is a spiteful argument or

an honest debate in email. Not having a recovered child, I read these posts

sometimes and wonder why people with recovered children would turn on each

other, but maybe I'm not understanding the tone.

Honestly though, everytime I try AC chelation (and we just tried it again

last week) my son experiences numbness in either his legs, face or mouth. It

scares him and it scares me.

When I hear people say essentialy that the only way to cure autism is to get

the mercury out, I worry that in our case, we may be doing more damage than

good. We did follow the strict 3 hour low dosing last week (just ALA.) Two

and a half days in, he said, " Mom, I have to tell you that my face feels

funny again. "

I stopped the round because I worry that I could be doing neurological

damage to my son. Another mom on my facebook page commented her son had

seizures when she attempted AC chelation (of course this is second hand

facebook info.)

I would love to just follow a protocol and recover my son from autism, but

it doesn't seem to be that easy for us. These cases all seem very complex

and individual.

Any advice for people who experience numbness with frequent low dose ALA

? Any advice on how to get a 15 year old to drink raw goats milk and

not one day write a memoir about how his crazy mother pushed every autism

therapy in the book on him Crystal?

Jen

> >

> > From: Crystal Palmer-Bull <cpalmerbull@

<mailto:cpalmerbull%40crystalimagingstudio.net>

<mailto:cpalmerbull%40crystalimagingstudio.net>

<mailto:cpalmerbull%40crystalimagingstudio.net> >

> > Subject: RE: [ ] Re: I mean Cilantro chelation

> >

<mailto: %40>

<mailto: %40>

<mailto: %40>

<mailto: %40>

> > Date: Thursday, July 1, 2010, 8:11 PM

> >

> > Things like that happen all the time.. impossible right ... wrong. My

son

> > was dx with autism.. it was real. but now he recovered . they say oh

must

> > not have been autism..

> >

> > My dad had some health issues and was getting checked out they did some

scan

> > of his liver and said get your affairs in order you have end stage liver

> > cancer yadda yadda. well My dad is still here and that was 20 years ago.

> > turned out they were non cancer cysts on his liver .

> >

> > The medical community doesn't know crap most of the time and therefore

it

> > makes even more of these stories.

> >

> > You can say you don't believe me when my son looked me in the eye

> > (sustainably ) for the 1st time just hours after dinking his 1st cup of

RAW

> > goat milk. you can say you don't believe me . that's fine . my kid is

> > healthy and flourishing, reading and writing, singing and dancing and

> > playing baseball and is very popular. You don't have to believe me but

you

> > should.

> >

> > From:

<mailto: %40>

<mailto: %40>

<mailto: %40>

<mailto: %40>

[mailto:

<mailto: %40>

<mailto: %40>

<mailto: %40>

<mailto: %40> ]

> > On Behalf Of andrewhallcutler

> > Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 7:21 PM

> >

<mailto: %40>

<mailto: %40>

<mailto: %40>

<mailto: %40>

> > Subject: [ ] Re: I mean Cilantro chelation

> >

> > > We read a story about a study that eat " freshly chopped cilantro only

0.25

> > cup per day " ( which is not much), mixed with a bowl of fresh salad, I

like

> > to sprinkle them on top of my entree (stew meat or fish), for 3 weeks

> > straight ( 0.25 cup of fresh chopped cilantro), and that made an

autistic

> > boy starting to talk.

> >

> > This kind of silliness reminds me of the news story in the 1980's about

the

> > guy diagnosed with inoperable brain cancer and sent home to die. He

didn't

> > like how it was going so he shot himself in the head.

> >

> > Someone called 911, they rushed him to the emergency room and saved him,

and

> > also found out the bullet had blown out the tumor and cured his cancer!

> >

> > I always thought of that as God reminding the surgeon of who really

could

> > perform miracles :-)

> >

> > However, shooting yourself in the head to try to cure your cancer based

on

> > this story makes more sense than most of what I see on the net about

" and

> > that autistic boy XXXXX. " At least the cancer story is actually true,

when

> > I've looked into these other stories they often are not.

> >

> > The ones that are fall under the umbrella that if you do something

random to

> > enough people, one of them will end up exhibiting whatever phenomenon

you

> > are looking for totally by chance.

> >

> > It's like the silly ads on my computer screen all the time " Tacoma Mom

lost

> > 43 pounds following one simple rule! " Etc.

> >

> > If you care about your kid at all, take responsibility and think things

> > through. Comments like " it's just food, it must be safe! " are pretty

silly

> > in light of how many people get food poisoning, and of things like

> > Lathyrism, a disease where eating a certain kind of pea causes paralysis

in

> > many people.

> >

> > You don't want some possibly made up story about somebody got better

once

> > (maybe) doing something wonderful and easy.

> >

> > You want lots of concrete, factual information, presented in a way you

can

> > check for yourself and understand it well, that is clearly related to

your

> > kid's situation. It should come from a credible source that has been

saying

> > the same thing for a while, not a different random thing every year or

two.

> >

> > Whether or not this goes along with your personal worldview, or is too

> > conservative, your kid deserves nothing less than you taking some

personal

> > responsibility to really figure out if what you are going to do for them

is

> > a good idea or not. Remember, they got turned autistic because you

didn't do

> > that - but that time it was a lot easier to excuse since there was this

> > whole institution of people pretending to great expertise that were

telling

> > you made up lies about the safety of vaccines and the lack of any

connection

> > between them and autism.

> >

> > Andy

> >

> > http://www.noamalgam.com/index.html

> > Amalgam Illness: Diagnosis and Treatment

> >

> > http://www.noamalgam.com/hairtestbook.html

> > Hair Test Interpretation: Finding Hidden Toxicities

> >

> > http://www.noamalgam.com/nourishinghope.html

> > Nourishing Hope for Autism: Nutrition Intervention for Healing Our

Children

> >

> > http://www.noamalgam.com/biologicaltreatments.html

> > Biological Treatments for Autism and PDD

> >

> >