Guest guest Posted April 5, 2010 Report Share Posted April 5, 2010 My son's hair elements test report shows elevated manganese. On the normal scale of 0.1 to 0.5, it shows 0.99. should supplementation with manganese is OK or should we avoid it. The report does not meet the counting rules and mineral transport is orderly. Sajeel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2010 Report Share Posted April 6, 2010 My daughter could not handle manganese. Pfeiffer told us that manganese can cause verbal tics - does your child have a verbal tic? my blog post about manganese is here: http://warriormama.com/2010/02/26/manganese-and-verbal-tics.aspx :0) special kids with special needs deserve a Warrior Mama! follow my blog here www.warriormama.com [ ] High manganese My son's hair elements test report shows elevated manganese. On the normal scale of 0.1 to 0.5, it shows 0.99. should supplementation with manganese is OK or should we avoid it. The report does not meet the counting rules and mineral transport is orderly. Sajeel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2010 Report Share Posted April 6, 2010 Hi no. He does not have verbal tic. He speaks very little. Few words and only when we force him to say. What do you suggest for his speech and with what dosage? Any suggestions from any one. Sajeel On Tue Apr 6th, 2010 6:16 PM PKT wrote: >My daughter could not handle manganese. Pfeiffer told us that manganese can >cause verbal tics - does your child have a verbal tic? > >my blog post about manganese is here: >http://warriormama.com/2010/02/26/manganese-and-verbal-tics.aspx > > >:0) > > > >special kids with special needs deserve a Warrior Mama! follow my blog here >www.warriormama.com > > > > [ ] High manganese > >My son's hair elements test report shows elevated manganese. On the normal >scale of 0.1 to 0.5, it shows 0.99. should supplementation with manganese is >OK or should we avoid it. The report does not meet the counting rules and >mineral transport is orderly. > > Sajeel > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2010 Report Share Posted April 6, 2010 sajeel i have exactly the same problem with my son he speek little. but i find out that once he use TMG powder his speech improved. tomorow i will start B6 magnisium it also play good role in speaking upon DAN doctor recommendation. I HOPE THEY WILL SPEEK AND NEVER STOP TALKING ________________________________ From: sajeel shafiq <sajeelshafiq@...> autism treatment Sent: Tue, April 6, 2010 4:09:15 PM Subject: RE: [ ] High manganese  Hi no. He does not have verbal tic. He speaks very little. Few words and only when we force him to say. What do you suggest for his speech and with what dosage? Any suggestions from any one. Sajeel On Tue Apr 6th, 2010 6:16 PM PKT wrote: >My daughter could not handle manganese. Pfeiffer told us that manganese can >cause verbal tics - does your child have a verbal tic? > >my blog post about manganese is here: >http://warriormama. com/2010/ 02/26/manganese- and-verbal- tics.aspx > > >:0) > > > >special kids with special needs deserve a Warrior Mama! follow my blog here >www.warriormama. com > > > > [ ] High manganese > >My son's hair elements test report shows elevated manganese. On the normal >scale of 0.1 to 0.5, it shows 0.99. should supplementation with manganese is >OK or should we avoid it. The report does not meet the counting rules and >mineral transport is orderly. > > Sajeel > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2010 Report Share Posted April 6, 2010 There's a very restrictive diet that's become popular for autism recently that totally eliminates manganese. I forget the name, but I think it has " spectrum " in the title. You could find it by googling. It works wonders for a certain percentage of kids. I found it very hard to implement because so many nutritious foods are eliminated. > > My daughter could not handle manganese. Pfeiffer told us that manganese can > cause verbal tics - does your child have a verbal tic? > > my blog post about manganese is here: > http://warriormama.com/2010/02/26/manganese-and-verbal-tics.aspx > > > :0) > > > > special kids with special needs deserve a Warrior Mama! follow my blog here > www.warriormama.com > > > > [ ] High manganese > > My son's hair elements test report shows elevated manganese. On the normal > scale of 0.1 to 0.5, it shows 0.99. should supplementation with manganese is > OK or should we avoid it. The report does not meet the counting rules and > mineral transport is orderly. > > Sajeel > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2010 Report Share Posted April 6, 2010 I have NO medical degrees but for my son - col liver oil and MB 12 shots helped with speech. :0) special kids with special needs deserve a Warrior Mama! follow my blog here www.warriormama.com Get personal allergy free diet coaching and cooking classes here www.lisawoodruff.com [ ] High manganese > >My son's hair elements test report shows elevated manganese. On the >normal scale of 0.1 to 0.5, it shows 0.99. should supplementation with >manganese is OK or should we avoid it. The report does not meet the >counting rules and mineral transport is orderly. > > Sajeel > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2010 Report Share Posted April 6, 2010 Sajeel, for high manganese I suggest You go read the protocol at www.noharmfoundation.org and consider the diet.? There are videos to watch too. The diet is not hard. ? Also, if the thallium is high too, You might want to email me, and I'll tell You our experience. ? Francine ? [ ] High manganese My son's hair elements test report shows elevated manganese. On the normal scale of 0.1 to 0.5, it shows 0.99. should supplementation with manganese is OK or should we avoid it. The report does not meet the counting rules and mineral transport is orderly. Sajeel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2010 Report Share Posted April 6, 2010 Can you post the test? If there is no mineral transport derangement or SUSPECTED derangement, the Mn bar would have to be ALL THE WAY in the red to even start to suspect toxicity. > > My son's hair elements test report shows elevated manganese. On the normal scale of 0.1 to 0.5, it shows 0.99. should supplementation with manganese is OK or should we avoid it. The report does not meet the counting rules and mineral transport is orderly. > > Sajeel > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2010 Report Share Posted April 6, 2010 Dear , The test is posted in file sections in the name of " Umer Methair.pdf " . Please give your comments. Others are also invited. Sajeel ________________________________ From: neoplop <mrossgrp@...> Sent: Tue, April 6, 2010 11:31:28 PM Subject: [ ] Re: High manganese Can you post the test? If there is no mineral transport derangement or SUSPECTED derangement, the Mn bar would have to be ALL THE WAY in the red to even start to suspect toxicity. > > My son's hair elements test report shows elevated manganese. On the normal scale of 0.1 to 0.5, it shows 0.99. should supplementation with manganese is OK or should we avoid it. The report does not meet the counting rules and mineral transport is orderly. > > Sajeel > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2010 Report Share Posted April 6, 2010 Hello Sanjeel, With only 6 bars extending to the left of white, this test is short of meeting Counting Rule #2 by one. This makes the probability of mineral transport derangement moderately high and so the test is suspicious. The manganese is not dramatically elevated and so is not of much concern. The real, very serious issue here is arsenic, with lead being a secondary concern. Where do you live? Is there much agricultural activity? I see in your profile you say you are in Islamabad. Pakistan is notorious for toxic amounts of arsenic in the water supply and food chain. Please consider distilling your drinking and cooking water, and eating organic foods where available. What are your son's symptoms? You son would greatly benefit from chelation with ALA and DMSA on the Cutler frequent low-dose protocol (starting with 1/8 mg/pound each every 3 hours around the clock for 3 days on/4 days off) and the supplementation Cutler suggests in his book Amalgam Illness http://noamalgam.com . Please read up on this in the files section here, and consider joining the group frequent-dose-chelation. frequent-dose-chelation/ Improving methylation (with the combination of B12, folate, TMG) will also help clear arsenic. Magnesium supplementation might also help in general. sajeel shafiq wrote: > > > Dear , > > The test is posted in file sections in the name of " Umer Methair.pdf " > . Please give your comments. Others are also invited. > > Sajeel > > ________________________________ > From: neoplop <mrossgrp@... <mailto:mrossgrp%40gmail.com>> > > <mailto: %40> > Sent: Tue, April 6, 2010 11:31:28 PM > Subject: [ ] Re: High manganese > > Can you post the test? > > If there is no mineral transport derangement or SUSPECTED derangement, > the Mn bar would have to be ALL THE WAY in the red to even start to > suspect toxicity. > > > > > > > > My son's hair elements test report shows elevated manganese. On the > normal scale of 0.1 to 0.5, it shows 0.99. should supplementation with > manganese is OK or should we avoid it. The report does not meet the > counting rules and mineral transport is orderly. > > > > Sajeel > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2010 Report Share Posted April 6, 2010 I'm sorry, I referred to you as " Sanjeel " . The fingers type faster than the brain. sajeel shafiq wrote: > > > Dear , > > The test is posted in file sections in the name of " Umer Methair.pdf " > . Please give your comments. Others are also invited. > > Sajeel > > ________________________________ > From: neoplop <mrossgrp@... <mailto:mrossgrp%40gmail.com>> > > <mailto: %40> > Sent: Tue, April 6, 2010 11:31:28 PM > Subject: [ ] Re: High manganese > > Can you post the test? > > If there is no mineral transport derangement or SUSPECTED derangement, > the Mn bar would have to be ALL THE WAY in the red to even start to > suspect toxicity. > > > > > > > > My son's hair elements test report shows elevated manganese. On the > normal scale of 0.1 to 0.5, it shows 0.99. should supplementation with > manganese is OK or should we avoid it. The report does not meet the > counting rules and mineral transport is orderly. > > > > Sajeel > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2010 Report Share Posted April 6, 2010 dear Micheal I do not mind your typing error. Thanks for your test review. Yes i do live in Pakistan. My son spent most of his time in Lahore city and about an year in Islamabad. We are also concerned about water and most of the time we used bottled water or boiled one. I also had my son OAT, stool analysis and food allergy test performed. According to his OAT, he has yeast arabinose. Reading is 77. He has oxalic high. In nuero transmitters VMA is marginally high. His suberic is high and ascorbic is low. His stool test says he has inflammation, deficiency of beneficial bacteria lactobaccilus. His pH is low. sIgA is marginally increased and lysozyme is high. He is sensitive to gluten, casein, lemon, oat, coffee, nuts, etc. Need your further comments. Sajeel On Wed Apr 7th, 2010 12:52 AM PKT Ross wrote: >Hello Sanjeel, > >With only 6 bars extending to the left of white, this test is short of >meeting Counting Rule #2 by one. This makes the probability of mineral >transport derangement moderately high and so the test is suspicious. > >The manganese is not dramatically elevated and so is not of much concern. > >The real, very serious issue here is arsenic, with lead being a >secondary concern. > >Where do you live? Is there much agricultural activity? I see in your >profile you say you are in Islamabad. Pakistan is notorious for toxic >amounts of arsenic in the water supply and food chain. Please consider >distilling your drinking and cooking water, and eating organic foods >where available. > >What are your son's symptoms? > >You son would greatly benefit from chelation with ALA and DMSA on the >Cutler frequent low-dose protocol (starting with 1/8 mg/pound each every >3 hours around the clock for 3 days on/4 days off) and the >supplementation Cutler suggests in his book Amalgam Illness >http://noamalgam.com . Please read up on this in the files section here, >and consider joining the group frequent-dose-chelation. >frequent-dose-chelation/ > >Improving methylation (with the combination of B12, folate, TMG) will >also help clear arsenic. Magnesium supplementation might also help in >general. > > > > >sajeel shafiq wrote: >> >> >> Dear , >> >> The test is posted in file sections in the name of " Umer Methair.pdf " >> . Please give your comments. Others are also invited. >> >> Sajeel >> >> ________________________________ >> From: neoplop <mrossgrp@... <mailto:mrossgrp%40gmail.com>> >> >> <mailto: %40> >> Sent: Tue, April 6, 2010 11:31:28 PM >> Subject: [ ] Re: High manganese >> >> Can you post the test? >> >> If there is no mineral transport derangement or SUSPECTED derangement, >> the Mn bar would have to be ALL THE WAY in the red to even start to >> suspect toxicity. >> >> >> >> >> > >> > My son's hair elements test report shows elevated manganese. On the >> normal scale of 0.1 to 0.5, it shows 0.99. should supplementation with >> manganese is OK or should we avoid it. The report does not meet the >> counting rules and mineral transport is orderly. >> > >> > Sajeel >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2010 Report Share Posted April 6, 2010 sajeel shafiq wrote: > > dear Micheal > > I do not mind your typing error. Thanks for your test review. > Yes i do live in Pakistan. My son spent most of his time in Lahore > city and about an year in Islamabad. > We are also concerned about water and most of the time we used bottled > water or boiled one. > Boiling does NOT remove metals. And bottled water could be the same tap water you already have coming out of your faucet, maybe filtered, which also could not remove metals. Please consider steam distillation. > I also had my son OAT, stool analysis and food allergy test performed. > According to his OAT, he has yeast arabinose. Reading is 77. He has > oxalic high. In nuero transmitters VMA is marginally high. His suberic > is high and ascorbic is low. > His stool test says he has inflammation, deficiency of beneficial > bacteria lactobaccilus. His pH is low. sIgA is marginally increased > and lysozyme is high. > He is sensitive to gluten, casein, lemon, oat, coffee, nuts, etc. > OK, but what are his SYMPTOMS? > Need your further comments. > All numbers measured by the tests you refer to indicate something is disturbing his body and making it not behave the way it should. The probability is extraordinarily high that this " something " is a heavy metal such as arsenic. Always find the ROOT CAUSE of the problem and remove it. Doing anything else is just like taking an aspirin for a headache. The headache could be hunger or it could be a brain tumour, but it will likely come back when the aspirin wears off... > > Sajeel > > On Wed Apr 7th, 2010 12:52 AM PKT Ross wrote: > > >Hello Sanjeel, > > > >With only 6 bars extending to the left of white, this test is short of > >meeting Counting Rule #2 by one. This makes the probability of mineral > >transport derangement moderately high and so the test is suspicious. > > > >The manganese is not dramatically elevated and so is not of much concern. > > > >The real, very serious issue here is arsenic, with lead being a > >secondary concern. > > > >Where do you live? Is there much agricultural activity? I see in your > >profile you say you are in Islamabad. Pakistan is notorious for toxic > >amounts of arsenic in the water supply and food chain. Please consider > >distilling your drinking and cooking water, and eating organic foods > >where available. > > > >What are your son's symptoms? > > > >You son would greatly benefit from chelation with ALA and DMSA on the > >Cutler frequent low-dose protocol (starting with 1/8 mg/pound each every > >3 hours around the clock for 3 days on/4 days off) and the > >supplementation Cutler suggests in his book Amalgam Illness > >http://noamalgam.com <http://noamalgam.com> . Please read up on this > in the files section here, > >and consider joining the group frequent-dose-chelation. > >frequent-dose-chelation/ > <frequent-dose-chelation/> > > > >Improving methylation (with the combination of B12, folate, TMG) will > >also help clear arsenic. Magnesium supplementation might also help in > >general. > > > > > > > > > >sajeel shafiq wrote: > >> > >> > >> Dear , > >> > >> The test is posted in file sections in the name of " Umer Methair.pdf " > >> . Please give your comments. Others are also invited. > >> > >> Sajeel > >> > >> ________________________________ > >> From: neoplop <mrossgrp@... <mailto:mrossgrp%40gmail.com> > <mailto:mrossgrp%40gmail.com>> > >> > <mailto: %40> > >> <mailto: %40> > >> Sent: Tue, April 6, 2010 11:31:28 PM > >> Subject: [ ] Re: High manganese > >> > >> Can you post the test? > >> > >> If there is no mineral transport derangement or SUSPECTED derangement, > >> the Mn bar would have to be ALL THE WAY in the red to even start to > >> suspect toxicity. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > >> > My son's hair elements test report shows elevated manganese. On the > >> normal scale of 0.1 to 0.5, it shows 0.99. should supplementation with > >> manganese is OK or should we avoid it. The report does not meet the > >> counting rules and mineral transport is orderly. > >> > > >> > Sajeel > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2010 Report Share Posted April 6, 2010 Micheal, His symptoms are he has little bit of blood in his stool. Lost his speech to a large extent. At the age of three he was fully vocal but now at four he barely speaks few words even when he is forced to speak. Sometimes moves his eyes sideways. Usually have constipation. Some times feel pain in his feet or abdomen. He is on GFCF, low oxalate diet with anti fungal treatment started about a month ago. Sajeel On Wed Apr 7th, 2010 1:59 AM PKT Ross wrote: >sajeel shafiq wrote: >> >> dear Micheal >> >> I do not mind your typing error. Thanks for your test review. >> Yes i do live in Pakistan. My son spent most of his time in Lahore >> city and about an year in Islamabad. >> We are also concerned about water and most of the time we used bottled >> water or boiled one. >> >Boiling does NOT remove metals. And bottled water could be the same tap >water you already have coming out of your faucet, maybe filtered, which >also could not remove metals. Please consider steam distillation. > >> I also had my son OAT, stool analysis and food allergy test performed. >> According to his OAT, he has yeast arabinose. Reading is 77. He has >> oxalic high. In nuero transmitters VMA is marginally high. His suberic >> is high and ascorbic is low. >> His stool test says he has inflammation, deficiency of beneficial >> bacteria lactobaccilus. His pH is low. sIgA is marginally increased >> and lysozyme is high. >> He is sensitive to gluten, casein, lemon, oat, coffee, nuts, etc. >> >OK, but what are his SYMPTOMS? > >> Need your further comments. >> >All numbers measured by the tests you refer to indicate something is >disturbing his body and making it not behave the way it should. > >The probability is extraordinarily high that this " something " is a heavy >metal such as arsenic. > >Always find the ROOT CAUSE of the problem and remove it. Doing anything >else is just like taking an aspirin for a headache. The headache could >be hunger or it could be a brain tumour, but it will likely come back >when the aspirin wears off... > > > > >> >> Sajeel >> >> On Wed Apr 7th, 2010 12:52 AM PKT Ross wrote: >> >> >Hello Sanjeel, >> > >> >With only 6 bars extending to the left of white, this test is short of >> >meeting Counting Rule #2 by one. This makes the probability of mineral >> >transport derangement moderately high and so the test is suspicious. >> > >> >The manganese is not dramatically elevated and so is not of much concern. >> > >> >The real, very serious issue here is arsenic, with lead being a >> >secondary concern. >> > >> >Where do you live? Is there much agricultural activity? I see in your >> >profile you say you are in Islamabad. Pakistan is notorious for toxic >> >amounts of arsenic in the water supply and food chain. Please consider >> >distilling your drinking and cooking water, and eating organic foods >> >where available. >> > >> >What are your son's symptoms? >> > >> >You son would greatly benefit from chelation with ALA and DMSA on the >> >Cutler frequent low-dose protocol (starting with 1/8 mg/pound each every >> >3 hours around the clock for 3 days on/4 days off) and the >> >supplementation Cutler suggests in his book Amalgam Illness >> >http://noamalgam.com <http://noamalgam.com> . Please read up on this >> in the files section here, >> >and consider joining the group frequent-dose-chelation. >> >frequent-dose-chelation/ >> <frequent-dose-chelation/> >> > >> >Improving methylation (with the combination of B12, folate, TMG) will >> >also help clear arsenic. Magnesium supplementation might also help in >> >general. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >sajeel shafiq wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> Dear , >> >> >> >> The test is posted in file sections in the name of " Umer Methair.pdf " >> >> . Please give your comments. Others are also invited. >> >> >> >> Sajeel >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> >> From: neoplop <mrossgrp@... <mailto:mrossgrp%40gmail.com> >> <mailto:mrossgrp%40gmail.com>> >> >> >> <mailto: %40> >> >> <mailto: %40> >> >> Sent: Tue, April 6, 2010 11:31:28 PM >> >> Subject: [ ] Re: High manganese >> >> >> >> Can you post the test? >> >> >> >> If there is no mineral transport derangement or SUSPECTED derangement, >> >> the Mn bar would have to be ALL THE WAY in the red to even start to >> >> suspect toxicity. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > My son's hair elements test report shows elevated manganese. On the >> >> normal scale of 0.1 to 0.5, it shows 0.99. should supplementation with >> >> manganese is OK or should we avoid it. The report does not meet the >> >> counting rules and mineral transport is orderly. >> >> > >> >> > Sajeel >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2010 Report Share Posted April 6, 2010 sajeel shafiq wrote: > > Micheal, > > His symptoms are he has little bit of blood in his stool. > If this is bright red, it's a side effect of constipation. If the stool is dark, almost black, this is blood in the stool. > Lost his speech to a large extent. At the age of three he was fully > vocal but now at four he barely speaks few words even when he is > forced to speak. > Cognitive decline = heavy metals. Chelation is essential once the source is removed. > Sometimes moves his eyes sideways. > Arsenic, lead > Usually have constipation. > Lead. > Some times feel pain in his feet or abdomen. > Lead. > He is on GFCF, low oxalate diet with anti fungal treatment started > about a month ago. > Please eliminate vitamin D supplementation as this increases lead absorption if exposure is current. Magnesium, calcium and large doses of vitamin C will decrease absorption. You would greatly benefit from reading Cutler's Hair Test Interpretation, which explains much about arsenic and lead poisoning. http://www.noamalgam.com/hairtestbook.html > > Sajeel > > On Wed Apr 7th, 2010 1:59 AM PKT Ross wrote: > > >sajeel shafiq wrote: > >> > >> dear Micheal > >> > >> I do not mind your typing error. Thanks for your test review. > >> Yes i do live in Pakistan. My son spent most of his time in Lahore > >> city and about an year in Islamabad. > >> We are also concerned about water and most of the time we used bottled > >> water or boiled one. > >> > >Boiling does NOT remove metals. And bottled water could be the same tap > >water you already have coming out of your faucet, maybe filtered, which > >also could not remove metals. Please consider steam distillation. > > > >> I also had my son OAT, stool analysis and food allergy test performed. > >> According to his OAT, he has yeast arabinose. Reading is 77. He has > >> oxalic high. In nuero transmitters VMA is marginally high. His suberic > >> is high and ascorbic is low. > >> His stool test says he has inflammation, deficiency of beneficial > >> bacteria lactobaccilus. His pH is low. sIgA is marginally increased > >> and lysozyme is high. > >> He is sensitive to gluten, casein, lemon, oat, coffee, nuts, etc. > >> > >OK, but what are his SYMPTOMS? > > > >> Need your further comments. > >> > >All numbers measured by the tests you refer to indicate something is > >disturbing his body and making it not behave the way it should. > > > >The probability is extraordinarily high that this " something " is a heavy > >metal such as arsenic. > > > >Always find the ROOT CAUSE of the problem and remove it. Doing anything > >else is just like taking an aspirin for a headache. The headache could > >be hunger or it could be a brain tumour, but it will likely come back > >when the aspirin wears off... > > > > > > > > > >> > >> Sajeel > >> > >> On Wed Apr 7th, 2010 12:52 AM PKT Ross wrote: > >> > >> >Hello Sanjeel, > >> > > >> >With only 6 bars extending to the left of white, this test is short of > >> >meeting Counting Rule #2 by one. This makes the probability of mineral > >> >transport derangement moderately high and so the test is suspicious. > >> > > >> >The manganese is not dramatically elevated and so is not of much > concern. > >> > > >> >The real, very serious issue here is arsenic, with lead being a > >> >secondary concern. > >> > > >> >Where do you live? Is there much agricultural activity? I see in your > >> >profile you say you are in Islamabad. Pakistan is notorious for toxic > >> >amounts of arsenic in the water supply and food chain. Please consider > >> >distilling your drinking and cooking water, and eating organic foods > >> >where available. > >> > > >> >What are your son's symptoms? > >> > > >> >You son would greatly benefit from chelation with ALA and DMSA on the > >> >Cutler frequent low-dose protocol (starting with 1/8 mg/pound each > every > >> >3 hours around the clock for 3 days on/4 days off) and the > >> >supplementation Cutler suggests in his book Amalgam Illness > >> >http://noamalgam.com <http://noamalgam.com> <http://noamalgam.com > <http://noamalgam.com>> . Please read up on this > >> in the files section here, > >> >and consider joining the group frequent-dose-chelation. > >> >frequent-dose-chelation/ > <frequent-dose-chelation/> > >> <frequent-dose-chelation/ > <frequent-dose-chelation/>> > >> > > >> >Improving methylation (with the combination of B12, folate, TMG) will > >> >also help clear arsenic. Magnesium supplementation might also help in > >> >general. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> >sajeel shafiq wrote: > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> Dear , > >> >> > >> >> The test is posted in file sections in the name of " Umer > Methair.pdf " > >> >> . Please give your comments. Others are also invited. > >> >> > >> >> Sajeel > >> >> > >> >> ________________________________ > >> >> From: neoplop <mrossgrp@... <mailto:mrossgrp%40gmail.com> > <mailto:mrossgrp%40gmail.com> > >> <mailto:mrossgrp%40gmail.com>> > >> >> > <mailto: %40> > >> <mailto: %40> > >> >> <mailto: %40> > >> >> Sent: Tue, April 6, 2010 11:31:28 PM > >> >> Subject: [ ] Re: High manganese > >> >> > >> >> Can you post the test? > >> >> > >> >> If there is no mineral transport derangement or SUSPECTED > derangement, > >> >> the Mn bar would have to be ALL THE WAY in the red to even start to > >> >> suspect toxicity. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > My son's hair elements test report shows elevated manganese. > On the > >> >> normal scale of 0.1 to 0.5, it shows 0.99. should > supplementation with > >> >> manganese is OK or should we avoid it. The report does not meet the > >> >> counting rules and mineral transport is orderly. > >> >> > > >> >> > Sajeel > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2010 Report Share Posted April 6, 2010 High manganese can have other ramifications , other than toxicity.? It apparently works against needed iron.? If You go to the NoHarmFoundation and read about Dr. Shauna Young's work and watch the videos, it will explain it better than I can. ? And although they aren't mentioning it yet, apparently thallium has a relationship with manganese and iron.? And thallium is a big problem, perhaps worse than mercury. ? Francine Speak with Him Thou for He hearest. Spirit with Spirit can speak. Closer is Love than breathing, Nearer than hands and feet. (with appreciation for Tennyson) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2010 Report Share Posted April 6, 2010 sunrose101@... wrote: > > High manganese can have other ramifications , other than > toxicity.? > Perhaps. The issue in this hair test, though, is that moderately high Mn in hair may or may not reflect body burden given the probability of mineral transport derangement. It likely doesn't. So we don't know if it's high. The test is uninformative re: Mn. > It apparently works against needed iron.? If You go to the > NoHarmFoundation and read about Dr. Shauna Young's work > I'd rather read her work, not read " about " her work. There is nothing substantial on this website documenting anything. > and watch the videos, it will explain it better than I can. > ? > And although they aren't mentioning it yet, apparently thallium has a > relationship with manganese and iron.? And thallium is a big problem, > perhaps worse than mercury. > ? > Francine > > Speak with Him Thou for He hearest. > Spirit with Spirit can speak. > Closer is Love than breathing, > Nearer than hands and feet. > > (with appreciation for Tennyson) > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2010 Report Share Posted April 6, 2010 Sajeel, Have you looked at the Trying Low Oxalate group? If you havent, its a very good resource to check out. My son is also on the Low Oxalate Diet and the group has been a big help. Is your son taking Calcium Citrate? It binds oxalates if taken before meals. Magnesium Citrate may be helpful as well for the constipation as well as oxalates. Other helpful supplements for oxalates are Arginine, Taurine and a good probiotics. Karla > >> >> > > >> >> > My son's hair elements test report shows elevated manganese. On the > >> >> normal scale of 0.1 to 0.5, it shows 0.99. should supplementation with > >> >> manganese is OK or should we avoid it. The report does not meet the > >> >> counting rules and mineral transport is orderly. > >> >> > > >> >> > Sajeel > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2010 Report Share Posted April 6, 2010 Pain in the feet is also a sign of oxlate issues. Karla > > >> >> > > > >> >> > My son's hair elements test report shows elevated manganese. > > On the > > >> >> normal scale of 0.1 to 0.5, it shows 0.99. should > > supplementation with > > >> >> manganese is OK or should we avoid it. The report does not meet the > > >> >> counting rules and mineral transport is orderly. > > >> >> > > > >> >> > Sajeel > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2010 Report Share Posted April 6, 2010 wiersmak wrote: > > Pain in the feet is also a sign of oxlate issues. > Or, are " oxalate issues " a symptom of lead/arsenic toxicity? > Karla > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > My son's hair elements test report shows elevated manganese. > > > On the > > > >> >> normal scale of 0.1 to 0.5, it shows 0.99. should > > > supplementation with > > > >> >> manganese is OK or should we avoid it. The report does not > meet the > > > >> >> counting rules and mineral transport is orderly. > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > Sajeel > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2010 Report Share Posted April 6, 2010 Awhile back I asked about this treatment plan and got no response. It involved giving small doses of bioavailable manganese to actually reduce the problematic manganese. Don't know if this makes any biological sense. My son has somewhat elevated manganese also. (This doc also noticed a correlation b/t high manganese, lead, and aluminum - all elevated together). > > High manganese can have other ramifications , other than toxicity.? It apparently works against needed iron.? If You go to the NoHarmFoundation and read about Dr. Shauna Young's work and watch the videos, it will explain it better than I can. > ? > And although they aren't mentioning it yet, apparently thallium has a relationship with manganese and iron.? And thallium is a big problem, perhaps worse than mercury. > ? > Francine > > > Speak with Him Thou for He hearest. > Spirit with Spirit can speak. > Closer is Love than breathing, > Nearer than hands and feet. > > (with appreciation for Tennyson) > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2010 Report Share Posted April 6, 2010 The problem is that following the oxylate trail is likely to lead in the wrong direction, or in circles....so would suggest just chelating, taking lots of magnesium, EFAs, Vit E, antioxidants. My son had issues like this too and going after " oxylates " was not helpful. JMHO > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > My son's hair elements test report shows elevated manganese. > > > On the > > > >> >> normal scale of 0.1 to 0.5, it shows 0.99. should > > > supplementation with > > > >> >> manganese is OK or should we avoid it. The report does not meet the > > > >> >> counting rules and mineral transport is orderly. > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > Sajeel > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2010 Report Share Posted April 7, 2010 Dear Liz, So you are suggesting that we should not concentrate on low oxalate diet? Should not we first methylate him, heal his gut, kill the yeast and then chelate him? My worry is that with his leaky gut and blood in stool may be due to inflammation the chelation might not help. Any ideas? Andy any one? Liz what do you say? Sajeel On Wed Apr 7th, 2010 9:58 AM PKT Liz wrote: >The problem is that following the oxylate trail is likely to lead in the wrong direction, or in circles....so would suggest just chelating, taking lots of magnesium, EFAs, Vit E, antioxidants. My son had issues like this too and going after " oxylates " was not helpful. JMHO > > >> > > >> >> > >> > > >> >> > My son's hair elements test report shows elevated manganese. >> > > On the >> > > >> >> normal scale of 0.1 to 0.5, it shows 0.99. should >> > > supplementation with >> > > >> >> manganese is OK or should we avoid it. The report does not meet the >> > > >> >> counting rules and mineral transport is orderly. >> > > >> >> > >> > > >> >> > Sajeel >> > > >> >> > >> > > >> >> > >> > > >> >> > >> > > >> >> > >> > > >> >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2010 Report Share Posted April 7, 2010 sajeel shafiq wrote: > > Dear Liz, > > So you are suggesting that we should not concentrate on low oxalate > diet? Should not we first methylate him, heal his gut, kill the yeast > and then chelate him? > No. chelate now. Liz is right. Everything will fall into place after that. > My worry is that with his leaky gut and blood in stool may be due to > inflammation the chelation might not help. > " Leaky gut " or other things do not prevent a chelator from grabbing a heavy metal ion and doing its job. It's the metals that are causing the inflammation. You will never get on top of this if you don't chelate first. > Any ideas? Andy any one? Liz what do you say? > > Sajeel > > On Wed Apr 7th, 2010 9:58 AM PKT Liz wrote: > > >The problem is that following the oxylate trail is likely to lead in > the wrong direction, or in circles....so would suggest just chelating, > taking lots of magnesium, EFAs, Vit E, antioxidants. My son had issues > like this too and going after " oxylates " was not helpful. JMHO > > > > > >> > > >> >> > > >> > > >> >> > My son's hair elements test report shows elevated > manganese. > >> > > On the > >> > > >> >> normal scale of 0.1 to 0.5, it shows 0.99. should > >> > > supplementation with > >> > > >> >> manganese is OK or should we avoid it. The report does > not meet the > >> > > >> >> counting rules and mineral transport is orderly. > >> > > >> >> > > >> > > >> >> > Sajeel > >> > > >> >> > > >> > > >> >> > > >> > > >> >> > > >> > > >> >> > > >> > > >> >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2010 Report Share Posted April 7, 2010 Karla, Yes. He is taking calcium. Magnesium also but i think in sterate or in other form. He is on low oxalate diet and anti fungals. Sajeel On Wed Apr 7th, 2010 6:47 AM PKT wiersmak wrote: >Sajeel, > >Have you looked at the Trying Low Oxalate group? If you havent, its a very good resource to check out. My son is also on the Low Oxalate Diet and the group has been a big help. Is your son taking Calcium Citrate? It binds oxalates if taken before meals. Magnesium Citrate may be helpful as well for the constipation as well as oxalates. Other helpful supplements for oxalates are Arginine, Taurine and a good probiotics. > >Karla > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > My son's hair elements test report shows elevated manganese. On the >> >> >> normal scale of 0.1 to 0.5, it shows 0.99. should supplementation with >> >> >> manganese is OK or should we avoid it. The report does not meet the >> >> >> counting rules and mineral transport is orderly. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Sajeel >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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