Re: my hair test, could use some help interpreting

[Guest guest]

I'd have to say you were close enough to warrant a ten-fifteen round trial of

chelation.

A hair test is only to convince you to try chelation. Do you have any amalgam

fillings?

TJ

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From: flyingsherpa <flyingsherpa@...>

Sent: Wed, October 27, 2010 5:25:53 PM

Subject: [ ] my hair test, could use some help interpreting

 

If this is not appropriate on this group please let me know.

This is my recent (1st) hair test: http://yfrog.com/neddihairtestoct20101sj

(guess you'll have to copy/paste the url, can't seem to get links working)

I have Andy's book, and using the counting rules I come up with the following:

rule 1: 13 = doesn't meet

rule 2: 9 = doesn't meet

rule 3: 4, but I use a generic Selsun Blue shampoo, so 4-1 is 3 = doesn't meet

rule 4: 13 or 14 (one is right on the line) = doesn't meet

rule 5: only rule 3 is close = doesn't meet

So I don't meet any of the rules, though I am close on rule 3. I do use a

generic Selsun Blue shampoo, but I also happen to have a blood (RBC) test from a

few years ago that showed very high selenium (98th%), which I kind of doubt

could be due to this shampoo. So if I actually have high selenium even without

the shampoo then I meet rule 3. Not sure if that is really valid logic. Also

note that I started on a vitamin / supplementation program (Dr. Slagle's The Way

Up From Down) about a month before this sample was taken, not sure how much that

could affect the results.

But regardless of the counting rules, the test shows my copper is extremely high

(360). I don't use pools or hot tubs. I just tested my tap water pH and it's 7.6

after sitting in the pipes all day, but lowers to 6.6-ish if I let it run for a

few minutes (opposite of what I'd expect). I'm considering getting a real water

test to determine possible copper there, though my municipal supply tests show

copper in acceptable ranges. The only other external contamination could be my

shampoos: the generic/CareOne Selsun Blue and occasionally I use Neutrogena Tgel

which contains coal tar... I can't find any data on whether these contain copper

or not.

My symptoms are chronic muscle pain/tension/soreness from the shoulders up,

depression, irritability, difficulty thinking, and insomnia. I've had these for

over 8 years and they never change and have ruined my life. No pills or

treatments have helped, except a few jaw/TMJ treatments lowered the facial

tension a bit for 15 minutes a few times, but these small successes were not

repeatable.

I appreciate any input any of you might have. Thanks.

cj

[Guest guest]

No, I'm lucky enough to never have had any amalgam fillings (never had a

cavity). I did get a bunch of vaccinations (TD, hep A & about 3 months before

all this started in 2002. But the way my symptoms started was very weird, they

all hit me as I surfaced from a scuba dive; I haven't been the same since. Guess

I'll start researching the chelation options, so far ALA sounds the best to me.

>

> I'd have to say you were close enough to warrant a ten-fifteen round trial of

> chelation.

> A hair test is only to convince you to try chelation. Do you have any amalgam

> fillings?

> TJ

>

[Guest guest]

>

> If this is not appropriate on this group please let me know.

>

> This is my recent (1st) hair test: http://yfrog.com/neddihairtestoct20101sj

>

> (guess you'll have to copy/paste the url, can't seem to get links working)

>

> I have Andy's book, and using the counting rules I come up with the following:

>

> rule 1: 13 = doesn't meet

> rule 2: 9 = doesn't meet

> rule 3: 4, but I use a generic Selsun Blue shampoo, so 4-1 is 3 = doesn't meet

> rule 4: 13 or 14 (one is right on the line) = doesn't meet

> rule 5: only rule 3 is close = doesn't meet

>

Correct, but you are close on rule 3 and you have elevated mercury which means

you do have mercury.

> So I don't meet any of the rules, though I am close on rule 3. I do use a

generic Selsun Blue shampoo, but I also happen to have a blood (RBC) test from a

few years ago that showed very high selenium (98th%), which I kind of doubt

could be due to this shampoo. So if I actually have high selenium even without

the shampoo then I meet rule 3. Not sure if that is really valid logic. Also

note that I started on a vitamin / supplementation program (Dr. Slagle's The Way

Up From Down) about a month before this sample was taken, not sure how much that

could affect the results.

>

Disregard the selenium level then since that is obviously too high to not be

from shampoo.

> But regardless of the counting rules, the test shows my copper is extremely

high (360). I don't use pools or hot tubs. I just tested my tap water pH and

it's 7.6 after sitting in the pipes all day, but lowers to 6.6-ish if I let it

run for a few minutes (opposite of what I'd expect). I'm considering getting a

real water test to determine possible copper there, though my municipal supply

tests show copper in acceptable ranges. The only other external contamination

could be my shampoos: the generic/CareOne Selsun Blue and occasionally I use

Neutrogena Tgel which contains coal tar... I can't find any data on whether

these contain copper or not.

>

That copper level is INSANE!!!! I have never seen a level that high that wasn't

from contamination. If you don't find a source of contamination you really need

to take zinc and avoid copper supplements to get that level down.

> My symptoms are chronic muscle pain/tension/soreness from the shoulders up,

depression, irritability, difficulty thinking, and insomnia. I've had these for

over 8 years and they never change and have ruined my life. No pills or

treatments have helped, except a few jaw/TMJ treatments lowered the facial

tension a bit for 15 minutes a few times, but these small successes were not

repeatable.

>

Sounds like typical mercury toxicity which is also very similar to copper

toxicity. I'd guess and say you have both and chelation + lowering copper will

hopefully ultimately cure you.

> I appreciate any input any of you might have. Thanks.

> cj

>