Guest guest Posted April 6, 2010 Report Share Posted April 6, 2010 Hi all, Just checking if this list is still relevant during chelation or if anything has changed from this supplement list....thank you. Kathy Most important: >>C & B vitamins 4 x per day >>B - 12.5-25 mg 4 times a day. Quarter a " b-50 " or " b-100 " tablet with >>a pill cutter >> C - 5-20 mg per pound per dose (not day) of any buffered form, e. g. sodium >> ascorbate (100-250 mg vitamin C 4 times a day). Crunched up " gram 2 " tablets from The VItamin Shoppe have a bunch of other useful minerals in them. >>50 Magnesium several times a day -10 mg per lb, spread throughout day adjust if getting diarrhea >>Zinc spread out during day -1/4 to 1/2 mg per pound >> >>Vitamin A - 5 RDA's per day CLO is an OK source as are vitamin A supplements of any other kind (I realize there is some belief that only CLO has the " right " form of vitamin A, I don't have an opinion on this one way or the other). If you use CLO, add the vitamin E soon if not right away. >>Melantonin if he has trouble sleeping. Not otherwise. Good things to add later are: >>E vitamin 500 IU per day >>Selenium Selenium is best taken in the selenomethionine form, and >>reasonable dosages >>are 1-2 mcg per pound. >>Flaxseed or flax seed oil mixed in food (but not cooked). 1-3 tbsp a day. This is less important if you are using CLO as your source of vitamin A, especially if you use at least 25,000 IU of A from CLO. If he has dry skin then the flax seed or oil is more important than if it is otherwise. >>Milk Thistle 1/4-1 capsule 4x per day (what does that equal in mg?) >20-80/ >>Molybdenum - what is per pound dosage 5-20 mcg. Important if he has " sulfation " issues in terms of being sensitive to the kinds of things the Feingold diet excludes (if people babble on about " phenols " and " salicylates " and tell you foods to exclude that help, then this is important). >>mixed carotenes (Twinlabs and Vitamin Shoppe carotenoid complex) Skip these if he is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2010 Report Share Posted April 6, 2010 Hello, Isn't it better to get all those minerals and vitamins from whole foods? anyone tried it? I heard some really bad stuff about supplements which are chemically extracted and toxic, especially vitamin E. Mike > > Hi all, Just checking if this list is still relevant during chelation or if anything has changed from this supplement > list....thank you. > Kathy > > > > > Most important: > > >>C & B vitamins 4 x per day > > >>B - 12.5-25 mg 4 times a day. Quarter a " b-50 " or " b-100 " tablet > with > >>a pill cutter > > >> C - 5-20 mg per pound per dose (not day) of any buffered > form, e. g. sodium > >> ascorbate (100-250 mg vitamin C 4 times a day). Crunched up " gram > 2 " tablets from The VItamin Shoppe have a bunch of other useful > minerals in them. > > > >>50 Magnesium several times a day -10 mg per lb, > spread throughout day adjust if getting diarrhea > > >>Zinc spread out during day -1/4 to 1/2 mg per pound > >> > >>Vitamin A - 5 RDA's per day CLO is an OK source as are vitamin A > supplements of any other kind (I realize there is some belief that > only CLO has the " right " form of vitamin A, I don't have an opinion on > this one way or the other). If you use CLO, add the vitamin E soon if > not right away. > > >>Melantonin if he has trouble sleeping. Not otherwise. > > > Good things to add later are: > > >>E vitamin 500 IU per day > > >>Selenium Selenium is best taken in the selenomethionine form, and > >>reasonable dosages > >>are 1-2 mcg per pound. > > >>Flaxseed or flax seed oil mixed in food (but not cooked). 1-3 tbsp > a day. This is less important if you are using CLO as your source of > vitamin A, especially if you use at least 25,000 IU of A from CLO. If > he has dry skin then the flax seed or oil is more important than if it > is otherwise. > > >>Milk Thistle 1/4-1 capsule 4x per day (what does that equal in > mg?) > >20-80/ > > >>Molybdenum - what is per pound dosage 5-20 mcg. Important if he has > " sulfation " issues in terms of being sensitive to the kinds of things > the Feingold diet excludes (if people babble on about " phenols " and > " salicylates " and tell you foods to exclude that help, then this is > important). > > >>mixed carotenes (Twinlabs and Vitamin Shoppe carotenoid complex) > Skip these if he is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2010 Report Share Posted April 6, 2010 Mike, I sure would be... if foods contained the amounts necessary to support chelation and were totally bioavailable under all circumstances. This is easier, but I like how you think! I did some quick math in my head (uh oh) and figured I'd need to take 25+ tablespoons of wheat germ oil to get the 500 IUs Vitamin E (30 IU = about 20mgs?). Still, keep a whole foods diet for sure if you can. There might be some modifications you need to make with supplements, but you'll still need supplementation if you are metal toxic and chelating. Simply my opinion. Pam > > > > Hi all, Just checking if this list is still relevant during chelation or if anything has changed from this supplement > > list....thank you. > > Kathy > > > > > > > > > > Most important: > > > > >>C & B vitamins 4 x per day > > > > >>B - 12.5-25 mg 4 times a day. Quarter a " b-50 " or " b-100 " tablet > > with > > >>a pill cutter > > > > >> C - 5-20 mg per pound per dose (not day) of any buffered > > form, e. g. sodium > > >> ascorbate (100-250 mg vitamin C 4 times a day). Crunched up " gram > > 2 " tablets from The VItamin Shoppe have a bunch of other useful > > minerals in them. > > > > > > >>50 Magnesium several times a day -10 mg per lb, > > spread throughout day adjust if getting diarrhea > > > > >>Zinc spread out during day -1/4 to 1/2 mg per pound > > >> > > >>Vitamin A - 5 RDA's per day CLO is an OK source as are vitamin A > > supplements of any other kind (I realize there is some belief that > > only CLO has the " right " form of vitamin A, I don't have an opinion on > > this one way or the other). If you use CLO, add the vitamin E soon if > > not right away. > > > > >>Melantonin if he has trouble sleeping. Not otherwise. > > > > > > Good things to add later are: > > > > >>E vitamin 500 IU per day > > > > >>Selenium Selenium is best taken in the selenomethionine form, and > > >>reasonable dosages > > >>are 1-2 mcg per pound. > > > > >>Flaxseed or flax seed oil mixed in food (but not cooked). 1-3 tbsp > > a day. This is less important if you are using CLO as your source of > > vitamin A, especially if you use at least 25,000 IU of A from CLO. If > > he has dry skin then the flax seed or oil is more important than if it > > is otherwise. > > > > >>Milk Thistle 1/4-1 capsule 4x per day (what does that equal in > > mg?) > > >20-80/ > > > > >>Molybdenum - what is per pound dosage 5-20 mcg. Important if he has > > " sulfation " issues in terms of being sensitive to the kinds of things > > the Feingold diet excludes (if people babble on about " phenols " and > > " salicylates " and tell you foods to exclude that help, then this is > > important). > > > > >>mixed carotenes (Twinlabs and Vitamin Shoppe carotenoid complex) > > Skip these if he is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2010 Report Share Posted April 6, 2010 hi, i guess i wasn't clear in my email. these are supplements recommended by andy that i found in another email. what i'm asking is, are these what andy still recommends for his protocol? kathy [ ] Re: recommended supplements > Hello, > > Isn't it better to get all those minerals and vitamins from whole foods? > anyone tried it? > I heard some really bad stuff about supplements which are chemically > extracted and toxic, especially vitamin E. > > Mike > > >> >> Hi all, Just checking if this list is still relevant during chelation or >> if anything has changed from this supplement >> list....thank you. >> Kathy >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2010 Report Share Posted April 6, 2010 Agreed. And not to mention the 85 oranges you will be eating or juicing each day to get 6g of C... Pamela H wrote: > > Mike, > > I sure would be... if foods contained the amounts necessary to support > chelation and were totally bioavailable under all circumstances. This > is easier, but I like how you think! I did some quick math in my head > (uh oh) and figured I'd need to take 25+ tablespoons of wheat germ oil > to get the 500 IUs Vitamin E (30 IU = about 20mgs?). > > Still, keep a whole foods diet for sure if you can. There might be > some modifications you need to make with supplements, but you'll still > need supplementation if you are metal toxic and chelating. > > Simply my opinion. > > Pam > > > > > > > > Hi all, Just checking if this list is still relevant during > chelation or if anything has changed from this supplement > > > list....thank you. > > > Kathy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Most important: > > > > > > >>C & B vitamins 4 x per day > > > > > > >>B - 12.5-25 mg 4 times a day. Quarter a " b-50 " or " b-100 " tablet > > > with > > > >>a pill cutter > > > > > > >> C - 5-20 mg per pound per dose (not day) of any buffered > > > form, e. g. sodium > > > >> ascorbate (100-250 mg vitamin C 4 times a day). Crunched up " gram > > > 2 " tablets from The VItamin Shoppe have a bunch of other useful > > > minerals in them. > > > > > > > > > >>50 Magnesium several times a day -10 mg per lb, > > > spread throughout day adjust if getting diarrhea > > > > > > >>Zinc spread out during day -1/4 to 1/2 mg per pound > > > >> > > > >>Vitamin A - 5 RDA's per day CLO is an OK source as are vitamin A > > > supplements of any other kind (I realize there is some belief that > > > only CLO has the " right " form of vitamin A, I don't have an opinion on > > > this one way or the other). If you use CLO, add the vitamin E soon if > > > not right away. > > > > > > >>Melantonin if he has trouble sleeping. Not otherwise. > > > > > > > > > Good things to add later are: > > > > > > >>E vitamin 500 IU per day > > > > > > >>Selenium Selenium is best taken in the selenomethionine form, and > > > >>reasonable dosages > > > >>are 1-2 mcg per pound. > > > > > > >>Flaxseed or flax seed oil mixed in food (but not cooked). 1-3 tbsp > > > a day. This is less important if you are using CLO as your source of > > > vitamin A, especially if you use at least 25,000 IU of A from CLO. If > > > he has dry skin then the flax seed or oil is more important than if it > > > is otherwise. > > > > > > >>Milk Thistle 1/4-1 capsule 4x per day (what does that equal in > > > mg?) > > > >20-80/ > > > > > > >>Molybdenum - what is per pound dosage 5-20 mcg. Important if he has > > > " sulfation " issues in terms of being sensitive to the kinds of things > > > the Feingold diet excludes (if people babble on about " phenols " and > > > " salicylates " and tell you foods to exclude that help, then this is > > > important). > > > > > > >>mixed carotenes (Twinlabs and Vitamin Shoppe carotenoid complex) > > > Skip these if he is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2010 Report Share Posted April 6, 2010 The official list is in Amalgam Illness, pp. 133-134. Kathy wrote: > > hi, i guess i wasn't clear in my email. these are supplements recommended > by andy that i found in > another email. what i'm asking is, are these what andy still > recommends for > his protocol? > kathy > > [ ] Re: recommended supplements > > > Hello, > > > > Isn't it better to get all those minerals and vitamins from whole > foods? > > anyone tried it? > > I heard some really bad stuff about supplements which are chemically > > extracted and toxic, especially vitamin E. > > > > Mike > > > > > >> > >> Hi all, Just checking if this list is still relevant during > chelation or > >> if anything has changed from this supplement > >> list....thank you. > >> Kathy > >> > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2010 Report Share Posted April 6, 2010 Pam, The thing to remember is that no nutrient acts like in a vacuum and it's always influenced by the other components of your diet. Once a nutrient is isolated from its bio-active form and extracted (a chemical process that further alters it's quality), the body can only use a small amount of it and it has to eliminate the rest. This elimination process further leaches the other nutrients from the body. All nutrients will always be more bio-active in food than in any other form. There are exceptions, like the grains that also contain anti-nutrients which have to be canceled by fermentation first. Here is what I read about vitamin E in " The recipe for living without disease " : " Most Vitamin E is the byproduct of the film-development and film-process industry. Because the chemical waste (tocopheral) is similar in molecular structure with Vitamin E (d-alpha tocopheral), it is called Vitamin E and sold as a supplement. In reality, those manufacturers make profits instead of paying fortunes for the hazardous disposal of their toxic waste... Even natural Vitamin E has to be either heat processed or or solvent extracted. " The other listed vitamins may not come from toxic byproducts, but they are still isolates which turn into waste because the body can't utilize them properly. Mike > > > > > > Hi all, Just checking if this list is still relevant during chelation or if anything has changed from this supplement > > > list....thank you. > > > Kathy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Most important: > > > > > > >>C & B vitamins 4 x per day > > > > > > >>B - 12.5-25 mg 4 times a day. Quarter a " b-50 " or " b-100 " tablet > > > with > > > >>a pill cutter > > > > > > >> C - 5-20 mg per pound per dose (not day) of any buffered > > > form, e. g. sodium > > > >> ascorbate (100-250 mg vitamin C 4 times a day). Crunched up " gram > > > 2 " tablets from The VItamin Shoppe have a bunch of other useful > > > minerals in them. > > > > > > > > > >>50 Magnesium several times a day -10 mg per lb, > > > spread throughout day adjust if getting diarrhea > > > > > > >>Zinc spread out during day -1/4 to 1/2 mg per pound > > > >> > > > >>Vitamin A - 5 RDA's per day CLO is an OK source as are vitamin A > > > supplements of any other kind (I realize there is some belief that > > > only CLO has the " right " form of vitamin A, I don't have an opinion on > > > this one way or the other). If you use CLO, add the vitamin E soon if > > > not right away. > > > > > > >>Melantonin if he has trouble sleeping. Not otherwise. > > > > > > > > > Good things to add later are: > > > > > > >>E vitamin 500 IU per day > > > > > > >>Selenium Selenium is best taken in the selenomethionine form, and > > > >>reasonable dosages > > > >>are 1-2 mcg per pound. > > > > > > >>Flaxseed or flax seed oil mixed in food (but not cooked). 1-3 tbsp > > > a day. This is less important if you are using CLO as your source of > > > vitamin A, especially if you use at least 25,000 IU of A from CLO. If > > > he has dry skin then the flax seed or oil is more important than if it > > > is otherwise. > > > > > > >>Milk Thistle 1/4-1 capsule 4x per day (what does that equal in > > > mg?) > > > >20-80/ > > > > > > >>Molybdenum - what is per pound dosage 5-20 mcg. Important if he has > > > " sulfation " issues in terms of being sensitive to the kinds of things > > > the Feingold diet excludes (if people babble on about " phenols " and > > > " salicylates " and tell you foods to exclude that help, then this is > > > important). > > > > > > >>mixed carotenes (Twinlabs and Vitamin Shoppe carotenoid complex) > > > Skip these if he is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2010 Report Share Posted April 6, 2010 Thanks for pointing this out.....just started reading it. K. Re: [ ] Re: recommended supplements > The official list is in Amalgam Illness, pp. 133-134. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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