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The culturelle(L. GG)  fights clostridia the other probiotic that fights

clostidia is L.Plantrum. My son had c -diff  which was cleared with

antibiotic.  But the antibiotic seem to cause lots of sensory and adhd.  I

suspect my son has a problem with clostridia due to the c diff.  We found

the L. Plantrum created constipation we are now using the cultrurelle probiotics

for kids and he seems to be ok on the constipation front. We are also using

attune candy bars(6 x yogurt) and candidse for yeast. 

I am interested if your son is has clostridia , what are some of the behavior

issues you are dealing with....wondering if they are like my sons?

PWC

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From: G <luckylot@...>

Sent: Sat, January 30, 2010 9:02:28 PM

Subject: [ ] Anyone ever get Sacc B as a dysbiosis on stool test?

 

I am baffled by our most recent stool test for our four year old. The only

" dysbiosis " noted was the yeast, Saccharomyces Boulardii! We have been using New

Beginnings Probiotic Support which, in addition to a broad spectrum probiotic

(18 billion CFU per cap), contains 2 billion Sacc B. We were giving 2-3 of these

at night. Clostridium spp. did also show up as a +2 out of a possible +4, but it

is not the C. Diff. strain, so we still don't know which it is since the

standard microbiology stool test doesn't look for other strains.

Anyway, our DAN! suggested backing off the Sacc. B. for a while and Doctor's

Data (who did the test) thought it showed up, because it was just too high. No

other yeast or bacteria showed up, although he did have an imbalance of

hymolytic e.coli and hemolytic strep, but not dysbiotic. I am wondering, if the

Sacc. B. prevented these and the clostridia from getting worse, but I don't know

how I would know that. His stools are perfect, his mood swings are still there,

but not nearly as bad as they used to be....what if backing off allows the

clostridia to overgrow again? Since I stopped the Sacc. B. the only probiotic he

is getting now is 6 billion Lactobacilis (Culturelle) until the order I placed

for Custom Probiotics arrives. His stool test showed no growth for any of the

Lactobacilis strains...even though I give him tens of billions of them nightly.

So could the Sacc. B. be responsible for taking up too much space, not allowing

it to grow or is something

else going on? I am just so confused since this strain of probiotic is pushed

as a non-pathogenic yeast, helpful in addressing intestinal imbalances, yet

Doctor's Data considers it dysbiotic... should I continue it at lower

doses....could it really be dysbiotic? Help, I'm lost and don't want to reverse

the progress we have seen.

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I have been confused by SAB B myself... and the theory of using yest to fight

yest is somewhat controversial, in general.

 

My kids have been on it for a long long time.  Our DAN! and nutritionist love

it.  However, I just chose to remove it 8 + weeks ago and there have been no

consequences of doing so- good or bad.  And the reason is, SAB B should not be

used by anyone who is allergic/sensitive to brewer's yeast because it is:

" Also known as the " baker's " or " brewer's " yeast, Saccharomyces cerevisiae is

used in food industry in production of various food stuffs, wines, and beers. "  

 

So if you know your child is IgG sensitive to brewer's yeast which is part of

the IgG Alletess Panel, then I think it should not be used.  I was taking SAC B

personally (before I realized this fact), and it caused a tremendous amount of

problems for me and I know I am IgG sensitive to brewer's yeast.

 

http://www.doctorfungus.org/thefungi/Saccharomyces.htm

 

Hope it's helpful.

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test?

Date: Monday, February 1, 2010, 1:41 AM

 

The culturelle(L. GG)  fights clostridia the other probiotic that fights

clostidia is L.Plantrum. My son had c -diff  which was cleared with

antibiotic.  But the antibiotic seem to cause lots of sensory and adhd.  I

suspect my son has a problem with clostridia due to the c diff.  We found

the L. Plantrum created constipation we are now using the cultrurelle probiotics

for kids and he seems to be ok on the constipation front. We are also using

attune candy bars(6 x yogurt) and candidse for yeast. 

I am interested if your son is has clostridia , what are some of the behavior

issues you are dealing with....wondering if they are like my sons?

PWC

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From: G <luckylotptd (DOT) net>

Sent: Sat, January 30, 2010 9:02:28 PM

Subject: [ ] Anyone ever get Sacc B as a dysbiosis on stool test?

 

I am baffled by our most recent stool test for our four year old. The only

" dysbiosis " noted was the yeast, Saccharomyces Boulardii! We have been using New

Beginnings Probiotic Support which, in addition to a broad spectrum probiotic

(18 billion CFU per cap), contains 2 billion Sacc B. We were giving 2-3 of these

at night. Clostridium spp. did also show up as a +2 out of a possible +4, but it

is not the C. Diff. strain, so we still don't know which it is since the

standard microbiology stool test doesn't look for other strains.

Anyway, our DAN! suggested backing off the Sacc. B. for a while and Doctor's

Data (who did the test) thought it showed up, because it was just too high. No

other yeast or bacteria showed up, although he did have an imbalance of

hymolytic e.coli and hemolytic strep, but not dysbiotic. I am wondering, if the

Sacc. B. prevented these and the clostridia from getting worse, but I don't know

how I would know that. His stools are perfect, his mood swings are still there,

but not nearly as bad as they used to be....what if backing off allows the

clostridia to overgrow again? Since I stopped the Sacc. B. the only probiotic he

is getting now is 6 billion Lactobacilis (Culturelle) until the order I placed

for Custom Probiotics arrives. His stool test showed no growth for any of the

Lactobacilis strains...even though I give him tens of billions of them nightly.

So could the Sacc. B. be responsible for taking up too much space, not allowing

it to grow or is something

else going on? I am just so confused since this strain of probiotic is pushed as

a non-pathogenic yeast, helpful in addressing intestinal imbalances, yet

Doctor's Data considers it dysbiotic... should I continue it at lower

doses....could it really be dysbiotic? Help, I'm lost and don't want to reverse

the progress we have seen.

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In a message dated 01/02/2010 19:01:38 GMT Standard Time, luckylot@...

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I just bought Custom Probiotics for he and I, his doesn't have the L.

Plantarum, but mine does, maybe I will also give him one of my capsules a

day...talk about expensive probiotics!!

>>Most kids use Adult formula CP1 not the kids version FWIW

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I just bought Custom Probiotics for he and I, his doesn't have the L. Plantarum,

but mine does, maybe I will also give him one of my capsules a day...talk about

expensive probiotics!!

For your son, the antibiotic probably appeared to cause those symptoms, because

he was experiencing die-off which is often worse than the symptoms during

overgrowth, in our house it is anyway. We even see new symptoms and tics crop

up during severe die-off. Our son has had an ongoing problem with clostridia

for a while now. It causes aggression, defiance, OCD, and an overall negative

and problematic attitude which turns very emotional in a split second! I can

always tell right away when our problem is the bacteria. We use Culturelle too,

in fact, last night I gave him NINE capsules, because we stopped the Sacc B

which included his broad spectrum probiotics and because he had been sick, he

wasn't keeping his antimicrobials down. We heavily dosed the Culturelle to make

up for that. He woke in a great mood this morning....Looks like we will be

keeping some high doses of Culturelle around more regularly, ha ha. Considering

he didn't get more than one dose of antimicrobials yesterday and he woke in such

good spirits tells me something about the Culturelle...I guess nine capsules

does the trick, ha ha ha. I can't afford to buy a new box every three days, so

I won't be giving quite that much, but it certainly proved to be working on his

bacteria.

>

> The culturelle(L. GG)  fights clostridia the other probiotic that fights

clostidia is L.Plantrum. My son had c -diff  which was cleared with

antibiotic.  But the antibiotic seem to cause lots of sensory and adhd.  I

suspect my son has a problem with clostridia due to the c diff.  We found

the L. Plantrum created constipation we are now using the cultrurelle probiotics

for kids and he seems to be ok on the constipation front. We are also using

attune candy bars(6 x yogurt) and candidse for yeast. 

>

> I am interested if your son is has clostridia , what are some of the behavior

issues you are dealing with....wondering if they are like my sons?

>

>

> PWC

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: G <luckylot@...>

>

> Sent: Sat, January 30, 2010 9:02:28 PM

> Subject: [ ] Anyone ever get Sacc B as a dysbiosis on stool test?

>

>  

> I am baffled by our most recent stool test for our four year old. The only

" dysbiosis " noted was the yeast, Saccharomyces Boulardii! We have been using New

Beginnings Probiotic Support which, in addition to a broad spectrum probiotic

(18 billion CFU per cap), contains 2 billion Sacc B. We were giving 2-3 of these

at night. Clostridium spp. did also show up as a +2 out of a possible +4, but it

is not the C. Diff. strain, so we still don't know which it is since the

standard microbiology stool test doesn't look for other strains.

>

> Anyway, our DAN! suggested backing off the Sacc. B. for a while and Doctor's

Data (who did the test) thought it showed up, because it was just too high. No

other yeast or bacteria showed up, although he did have an imbalance of

hymolytic e.coli and hemolytic strep, but not dysbiotic. I am wondering, if the

Sacc. B. prevented these and the clostridia from getting worse, but I don't know

how I would know that. His stools are perfect, his mood swings are still there,

but not nearly as bad as they used to be....what if backing off allows the

clostridia to overgrow again? Since I stopped the Sacc. B. the only probiotic he

is getting now is 6 billion Lactobacilis (Culturelle) until the order I placed

for Custom Probiotics arrives. His stool test showed no growth for any of the

Lactobacilis strains...even though I give him tens of billions of them nightly.

So could the Sacc. B. be responsible for taking up too much space, not allowing

it to grow or is something

> else going on? I am just so confused since this strain of probiotic is pushed

as a non-pathogenic yeast, helpful in addressing intestinal imbalances, yet

Doctor's Data considers it dysbiotic... should I continue it at lower

doses....could it really be dysbiotic? Help, I'm lost and don't want to reverse

the progress we have seen.

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We haven't had a new IgG since a year and a half ago, but back then, he wasn't

sensitive to brewer's yeast. Anything is possible in that time though. I was

thinking of adding it back in, just one capsule a day, after we get his new

Custom Probiotics adjusted and then I will watch to see how he responds to it.

He woke in a GREAT mood today, but I also gave him NINE capsules of Culturelle

last night to replace the 90 billion CFUs I had been giving him before stopping

his sacc b/broad spectrum probiotics. That stuff rocks!

>

>

> From: Concerned Parent <parentwithconcerns@...>

> Subject: Re: [ ] Anyone ever get Sacc B as a dysbiosis on stool

test?

>

> Date: Monday, February 1, 2010, 1:41 AM

>

>

>  

>

>

>

> The culturelle(L. GG)  fights clostridia the other probiotic that fights

clostidia is L.Plantrum. My son had c -diff  which was cleared with

antibiotic.  But the antibiotic seem to cause lots of sensory and adhd.  I

suspect my son has a problem with clostridia due to the c diff.  We found

the L. Plantrum created constipation we are now using the cultrurelle probiotics

for kids and he seems to be ok on the constipation front. We are also using

attune candy bars(6 x yogurt) and candidse for yeast. 

>

> I am interested if your son is has clostridia , what are some of the behavior

issues you are dealing with....wondering if they are like my sons?

>

> PWC

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> From: G <luckylotptd (DOT) net>

>

> Sent: Sat, January 30, 2010 9:02:28 PM

> Subject: [ ] Anyone ever get Sacc B as a dysbiosis on stool test?

>

>  

> I am baffled by our most recent stool test for our four year old. The only

" dysbiosis " noted was the yeast, Saccharomyces Boulardii! We have been using New

Beginnings Probiotic Support which, in addition to a broad spectrum probiotic

(18 billion CFU per cap), contains 2 billion Sacc B. We were giving 2-3 of these

at night. Clostridium spp. did also show up as a +2 out of a possible +4, but it

is not the C. Diff. strain, so we still don't know which it is since the

standard microbiology stool test doesn't look for other strains.

>

> Anyway, our DAN! suggested backing off the Sacc. B. for a while and Doctor's

Data (who did the test) thought it showed up, because it was just too high. No

other yeast or bacteria showed up, although he did have an imbalance of

hymolytic e.coli and hemolytic strep, but not dysbiotic. I am wondering, if the

Sacc. B. prevented these and the clostridia from getting worse, but I don't know

how I would know that. His stools are perfect, his mood swings are still there,

but not nearly as bad as they used to be....what if backing off allows the

clostridia to overgrow again? Since I stopped the Sacc. B. the only probiotic he

is getting now is 6 billion Lactobacilis (Culturelle) until the order I placed

for Custom Probiotics arrives. His stool test showed no growth for any of the

Lactobacilis strains...even though I give him tens of billions of them nightly.

So could the Sacc. B. be responsible for taking up too much space, not allowing

it to grow or is something

> else going on? I am just so confused since this strain of probiotic is pushed

as a non-pathogenic yeast, helpful in addressing intestinal imbalances, yet

Doctor's Data considers it dysbiotic... should I continue it at lower

doses....could it really be dysbiotic? Help, I'm lost and don't want to reverse

the progress we have seen.

>

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" It causes aggression, defiance, OCD, and an overall negative and problematic

attitude which turns very emotional in a split second! "

Yup. that is what I was seeing. THe intereting thing was the first couple weeks

I had him on jarrows yum yums that had L.Plantrum , He was a completely diff

kid...extrememly loving and unbelieveably affectionate.  Not sure if the

clostridia found a way to fight back but that went away ...still better then

before but I haven't see that affection that was displayed that first two weeks.

Do you know if the protease enzymes helps with clostrida?  Wondering what else

besides probiotics I can do to help.

PWC

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From: G <luckylot@...>

Sent: Mon, February 1, 2010 1:57:35 PM

Subject: [ ] Re: Anyone ever get Sacc B as a dysbiosis on stool

test?

 

I just bought Custom Probiotics for he and I, his doesn't have the L. Plantarum,

but mine does, maybe I will also give him one of my capsules a day...talk about

expensive probiotics!!

For your son, the antibiotic probably appeared to cause those symptoms, because

he was experiencing die-off which is often worse than the symptoms during

overgrowth, in our house it is anyway. We even see new symptoms and tics crop up

during severe die-off. Our son has had an ongoing problem with clostridia for a

while now. It causes aggression, defiance, OCD, and an overall negative and

problematic attitude which turns very emotional in a split second! I can always

tell right away when our problem is the bacteria. We use Culturelle too, in

fact, last night I gave him NINE capsules, because we stopped the Sacc B which

included his broad spectrum probiotics and because he had been sick, he wasn't

keeping his antimicrobials down. We heavily dosed the Culturelle to make up for

that. He woke in a great mood this morning....Looks like we will be keeping some

high doses of Culturelle around more regularly, ha ha. Considering he didn't get

more than one dose of

antimicrobials yesterday and he woke in such good spirits tells me something

about the Culturelle.. .I guess nine capsules does the trick, ha ha ha. I can't

afford to buy a new box every three days, so I won't be giving quite that much,

but it certainly proved to be working on his bacteria.

>

> The culturelle(L. GG)  fights clostridia the other probiotic that fights

clostidia is L.Plantrum. My son had c -diff  which was cleared with

antibiotic.  But the antibiotic seem to cause lots of sensory and

adhd.  I suspect my son has a problem with clostridia due to

the c diff.  We found the L. Plantrum created constipation we are now

using the cultrurelle probiotics for kids and he seems to be ok on the

constipation front. We are also using attune candy bars(6 x yogurt) and

candidse for yeast. 

>

> I am interested if your son is has clostridia , what are some of the behavior

issues you are dealing with....wondering if they are like my sons?

>

>

> PWC

>

>

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> From: G <luckylot@.. .>

>

> Sent: Sat, January 30, 2010 9:02:28 PM

> Subject: [ ] Anyone ever get Sacc B as a dysbiosis on stool test?

>

>  

> I am baffled by our most recent stool test for our four year old. The only

" dysbiosis " noted was the yeast, Saccharomyces Boulardii! We have been using New

Beginnings Probiotic Support which, in addition to a broad spectrum probiotic

(18 billion CFU per cap), contains 2 billion Sacc B. We were giving 2-3 of these

at night. Clostridium spp. did also show up as a +2 out of a possible +4, but it

is not the C. Diff. strain, so we still don't know which it is since the

standard microbiology stool test doesn't look for other strains.

>

> Anyway, our DAN! suggested backing off the Sacc. B. for a while and Doctor's

Data (who did the test) thought it showed up, because it was just too high. No

other yeast or bacteria showed up, although he did have an imbalance of

hymolytic e.coli and hemolytic strep, but not dysbiotic. I am wondering, if the

Sacc. B. prevented these and the clostridia from getting worse, but I don't know

how I would know that. His stools are perfect, his mood swings are still there,

but not nearly as bad as they used to be....what if backing off allows the

clostridia to overgrow again? Since I stopped the Sacc. B. the only probiotic he

is getting now is 6 billion Lactobacilis (Culturelle) until the order I placed

for Custom Probiotics arrives. His stool test showed no growth for any of the

Lactobacilis strains...even though I give him tens of billions of them nightly.

So could the Sacc. B. be responsible for taking up too much space, not allowing

it to grow or is

something

> else going on? I am just so confused since this strain of probiotic is pushed

as a non-pathogenic yeast, helpful in addressing intestinal imbalances, yet

Doctor's Data considers it dysbiotic... should I continue it at lower

doses....could it really be dysbiotic? Help, I'm lost and don't want to reverse

the progress we have seen.

>

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I am not sure about which enzymes work with clostridia, but we are using the

biofilm protocol (well, we are on a break now, but we used it for a few months

and I think it helped tremendously). We used Interfase from Klaire Labs. Then

we used PectaSolC as the mop up step. For killing it, we used a

combination/rotation of things: OoO, OLE, Neem, UvaUrsi, Caprylic Acid and

Biotin

> >

> > The culturelle(L. GG)  fights clostridia the other probiotic that fights

clostidia is L.Plantrum. My son had c -diff  which was cleared with

antibiotic.  But the antibiotic seem to cause lots of sensory and

adhd.  I suspect my son has a problem with clostridia due to

the c diff.  We found the L. Plantrum created constipation we are now

using the cultrurelle probiotics for kids and he seems to be ok on the

constipation front. We are also using attune candy bars(6 x yogurt) and

candidse for yeast. 

> >

> > I am interested if your son is has clostridia , what are some of the

behavior issues you are dealing with....wondering if they are like my sons?

> >

> >

> > PWC

> >

> >

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > From: G <luckylot@ .>

> >

> > Sent: Sat, January 30, 2010 9:02:28 PM

> > Subject: [ ] Anyone ever get Sacc B as a dysbiosis on stool

test?

> >

> >  

> > I am baffled by our most recent stool test for our four year old. The only

" dysbiosis " noted was the yeast, Saccharomyces Boulardii! We have been using New

Beginnings Probiotic Support which, in addition to a broad spectrum probiotic

(18 billion CFU per cap), contains 2 billion Sacc B. We were giving 2-3 of these

at night. Clostridium spp. did also show up as a +2 out of a possible +4, but it

is not the C. Diff. strain, so we still don't know which it is since the

standard microbiology stool test doesn't look for other strains.

> >

> > Anyway, our DAN! suggested backing off the Sacc. B. for a while and Doctor's

Data (who did the test) thought it showed up, because it was just too high. No

other yeast or bacteria showed up, although he did have an imbalance of

hymolytic e.coli and hemolytic strep, but not dysbiotic. I am wondering, if the

Sacc. B. prevented these and the clostridia from getting worse, but I don't know

how I would know that. His stools are perfect, his mood swings are still there,

but not nearly as bad as they used to be....what if backing off allows the

clostridia to overgrow again? Since I stopped the Sacc. B. the only probiotic he

is getting now is 6 billion Lactobacilis (Culturelle) until the order I placed

for Custom Probiotics arrives. His stool test showed no growth for any of the

Lactobacilis strains...even though I give him tens of billions of them nightly.

So could the Sacc. B. be responsible for taking up too much space, not allowing

it to grow or is

> something

> > else going on? I am just so confused since this strain of probiotic is

pushed as a non-pathogenic yeast, helpful in addressing intestinal imbalances,

yet Doctor's Data considers it dysbiotic... should I continue it at lower

doses....could it really be dysbiotic? Help, I'm lost and don't want to reverse

the progress we have seen.

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Kirkman's Pro Culture Gold works on the hard to eradicate clostridia.

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> > The culturelle(L. GG)  fights clostridia the other probiotic that fights

clostidia is L.Plantrum. My son had c -diff  which was cleared with

antibiotic.  But the antibiotic seem to cause lots of sensory and

adhd.  I suspect my son has a problem with clostridia due to

the c diff.  We found the L. Plantrum created constipation we are now

using the cultrurelle probiotics for kids and he seems to be ok on the

constipation front. We are also using attune candy bars(6 x yogurt) and

candidse for yeast. 

> >

> > I am interested if your son is has clostridia , what are some of the

behavior issues you are dealing with....wondering if they are like my sons?

> >

> >

> > PWC

> >

> >

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > From: G <luckylot@ .>

> >

> > Sent: Sat, January 30, 2010 9:02:28 PM

> > Subject: [ ] Anyone ever get Sacc B as a dysbiosis on stool

test?

> >

> >  

> > I am baffled by our most recent stool test for our four year old. The only

" dysbiosis " noted was the yeast, Saccharomyces Boulardii! We have been using New

Beginnings Probiotic Support which, in addition to a broad spectrum probiotic

(18 billion CFU per cap), contains 2 billion Sacc B. We were giving 2-3 of these

at night. Clostridium spp. did also show up as a +2 out of a possible +4, but it

is not the C. Diff. strain, so we still don't know which it is since the

standard microbiology stool test doesn't look for other strains.

> >

> > Anyway, our DAN! suggested backing off the Sacc. B. for a while and Doctor's

Data (who did the test) thought it showed up, because it was just too high. No

other yeast or bacteria showed up, although he did have an imbalance of

hymolytic e.coli and hemolytic strep, but not dysbiotic. I am wondering, if the

Sacc. B. prevented these and the clostridia from getting worse, but I don't know

how I would know that. His stools are perfect, his mood swings are still there,

but not nearly as bad as they used to be....what if backing off allows the

clostridia to overgrow again? Since I stopped the Sacc. B. the only probiotic he

is getting now is 6 billion Lactobacilis (Culturelle) until the order I placed

for Custom Probiotics arrives. His stool test showed no growth for any of the

Lactobacilis strains...even though I give him tens of billions of them nightly.

So could the Sacc. B. be responsible for taking up too much space, not allowing

it to grow or is

> something

> > else going on? I am just so confused since this strain of probiotic is

pushed as a non-pathogenic yeast, helpful in addressing intestinal imbalances,

yet Doctor's Data considers it dysbiotic... should I continue it at lower

doses....could it really be dysbiotic? Help, I'm lost and don't want to reverse

the progress we have seen.

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Thanks will check out Kirkmans.

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Sent: Wed, February 3, 2010 10:17:57 PM

Subject: [ ] Re: Anyone ever get Sacc B as a dysbiosis on stool

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Kirkman's Pro Culture Gold works on the hard to eradicate clostridia.

> >

> > The culturelle(L. GG)  fights clostridia the other probiotic that

fights clostidia is L.Plantrum. My son had c -diff  which was

cleared with antibiotic.  But the antibiotic seem to cause lots of

sensory and adhd.  I suspect my son has

a problem with clostridia due to the c diff.  We found

the L. Plantrum created constipation we are now using the cultrurelle probiotics

for kids and he seems to be ok on the constipation front. We are also using

attune candy bars(6 x yogurt) and candidse for yeast. 

> >

> > I am interested if your son is has clostridia , what are some of the

behavior issues you are dealing with....wondering if they are like my sons?

> >

> >

> > PWC

> >

> >

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > From: G <luckylot@ .>

> >

> > Sent: Sat, January 30, 2010 9:02:28 PM

> > Subject: [ ] Anyone ever get Sacc B as a dysbiosis on stool

test?

> >

> >  

> > I am baffled by our most recent stool test for our four year old. The only

" dysbiosis " noted was the yeast, Saccharomyces Boulardii! We have been using New

Beginnings Probiotic Support which, in addition to a broad spectrum probiotic

(18 billion CFU per cap), contains 2 billion Sacc B. We were giving 2-3 of these

at night. Clostridium spp. did also show up as a +2 out of a possible +4, but it

is not the C. Diff. strain, so we still don't know which it is since the

standard microbiology stool test doesn't look for other strains.

> >

> > Anyway, our DAN! suggested backing off the Sacc. B. for a while and Doctor's

Data (who did the test) thought it showed up, because it was just too high. No

other yeast or bacteria showed up, although he did have an imbalance of

hymolytic e.coli and hemolytic strep, but not dysbiotic. I am wondering, if the

Sacc. B. prevented these and the clostridia from getting worse, but I don't know

how I would know that. His stools are perfect, his mood swings are still there,

but not nearly as bad as they used to be....what if backing off allows the

clostridia to overgrow again? Since I stopped the Sacc. B. the only probiotic he

is getting now is 6 billion Lactobacilis (Culturelle) until the order I placed

for Custom Probiotics arrives. His stool test showed no growth for any of the

Lactobacilis strains...even though I give him tens of billions of them nightly.

So could the Sacc. B. be responsible for taking up too much space, not allowing

it to grow or is

> something

> > else going on? I am just so confused since this strain of probiotic is

pushed as a non-pathogenic yeast, helpful in addressing intestinal imbalances,

yet Doctor's Data considers it dysbiotic... should I continue it at lower

doses....could it really be dysbiotic? Help, I'm lost and don't want to reverse

the progress we have seen.

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This is because it contains the L. Rhamnosus and L. Plantarum strains, so

technically, you could use any probiotic that contains those. This product DOES

contain the strep strain though and that has proven to be problematic for viral

kids, so watch that. WE avoid that like the plague.

> > >

> > > The culturelle(L. GG)  fights clostridia the other probiotic that

fights clostidia is L.Plantrum. My son had c -diff  which was cleared with

antibiotic.  But the antibiotic seem to cause lots of sensory and

adhd.  I suspect my son has a problem with clostridia due to

the c diff.  We found the L. Plantrum created constipation we are now

using the cultrurelle probiotics for kids and he seems to be ok on the

constipation front. We are also using attune candy bars(6 x yogurt) and

candidse for yeast. 

> > >

> > > I am interested if your son is has clostridia , what are some of the

behavior issues you are dealing with....wondering if they are like my sons?

> > >

> > >

> > > PWC

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > From: G <luckylot@ .>

> > >

> > > Sent: Sat, January 30, 2010 9:02:28 PM

> > > Subject: [ ] Anyone ever get Sacc B as a dysbiosis on stool

test?

> > >

> > >  

> > > I am baffled by our most recent stool test for our four year old. The only

" dysbiosis " noted was the yeast, Saccharomyces Boulardii! We have been using New

Beginnings Probiotic Support which, in addition to a broad spectrum probiotic

(18 billion CFU per cap), contains 2 billion Sacc B. We were giving 2-3 of these

at night. Clostridium spp. did also show up as a +2 out of a possible +4, but it

is not the C. Diff. strain, so we still don't know which it is since the

standard microbiology stool test doesn't look for other strains.

> > >

> > > Anyway, our DAN! suggested backing off the Sacc. B. for a while and

Doctor's Data (who did the test) thought it showed up, because it was just too

high. No other yeast or bacteria showed up, although he did have an imbalance of

hymolytic e.coli and hemolytic strep, but not dysbiotic. I am wondering, if the

Sacc. B. prevented these and the clostridia from getting worse, but I don't know

how I would know that. His stools are perfect, his mood swings are still there,

but not nearly as bad as they used to be....what if backing off allows the

clostridia to overgrow again? Since I stopped the Sacc. B. the only probiotic he

is getting now is 6 billion Lactobacilis (Culturelle) until the order I placed

for Custom Probiotics arrives. His stool test showed no growth for any of the

Lactobacilis strains...even though I give him tens of billions of them nightly.

So could the Sacc. B. be responsible for taking up too much space, not allowing

it to grow or is

> > something

> > > else going on? I am just so confused since this strain of probiotic is

pushed as a non-pathogenic yeast, helpful in addressing intestinal imbalances,

yet Doctor's Data considers it dysbiotic... should I continue it at lower

doses....could it really be dysbiotic? Help, I'm lost and don't want to reverse

the progress we have seen.

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      One more question. My son has the clostridia but I am finding the L.

Plantarum and L.GG(cullelte) is constipating him...any ideas?  Did you run into

this...maybe I am not giving him enough.  He is six and on the smaller side for

his age...L. Plantarum 500 mill  and for the L.GG the most was 3 billion(kids

version)..  Appreciate any feed back, as I know he is better mood on the

probiotics but I can't have him constipated.

PWC

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From: G <luckylot@...>

Sent: Thu, February 4, 2010 1:02:12 PM

Subject: [ ] Re: Anyone ever get Sacc B as a dysbiosis on stool

test?

 

This is because it contains the L. Rhamnosus and L. Plantarum strains, so

technically, you could use any probiotic that contains those. This product DOES

contain the strep strain though and that has proven to be problematic for viral

kids, so watch that. WE avoid that like the plague.

> > >

> > > The culturelle(L. GG)  fights clostridia the other probiotic that

fights clostidia is L.Plantrum. My son had c -diff  which was

cleared with antibiotic.  But the antibiotic seem to cause lots of

sensory and adhd.  I suspect my son has

a problem with clostridia due to the c diff.  We found

the L. Plantrum created constipation we are now using the cultrurelle probiotics

for kids and he seems to be ok on the constipation front. We are also using

attune candy bars(6 x yogurt) and candidse for yeast. 

> > >

> > > I am interested if your son is has clostridia , what are some of the

behavior issues you are dealing with....wondering if they are like my sons?

> > >

> > >

> > > PWC

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > From: G <luckylot@ .>

> > >

> > > Sent: Sat, January 30, 2010 9:02:28 PM

> > > Subject: [ ] Anyone ever get Sacc B as a dysbiosis on stool

test?

> > >

> > >  

> > > I am baffled by our most recent stool test for our four year old. The only

" dysbiosis " noted was the yeast, Saccharomyces Boulardii! We have been using New

Beginnings Probiotic Support which, in addition to a broad spectrum probiotic

(18 billion CFU per cap), contains 2 billion Sacc B. We were giving 2-3 of these

at night. Clostridium spp. did also show up as a +2 out of a possible +4, but it

is not the C. Diff. strain, so we still don't know which it is since the

standard microbiology stool test doesn't look for other strains.

> > >

> > > Anyway, our DAN! suggested backing off the Sacc. B. for a while and

Doctor's Data (who did the test) thought it showed up, because it was just too

high. No other yeast or bacteria showed up, although he did have an imbalance of

hymolytic e.coli and hemolytic strep, but not dysbiotic. I am wondering, if the

Sacc. B. prevented these and the clostridia from getting worse, but I don't know

how I would know that. His stools are perfect, his mood swings are still there,

but not nearly as bad as they used to be....what if backing off allows the

clostridia to overgrow again? Since I stopped the Sacc. B. the only probiotic he

is getting now is 6 billion Lactobacilis (Culturelle) until the order I placed

for Custom Probiotics arrives. His stool test showed no growth for any of the

Lactobacilis strains...even though I give him tens of billions of them nightly.

So could the Sacc. B. be responsible for taking up too much space, not allowing

it to grow or is

> > something

> > > else going on? I am just so confused since this strain of probiotic is

pushed as a non-pathogenic yeast, helpful in addressing intestinal imbalances,

yet Doctor's Data considers it dysbiotic... should I continue it at lower

doses....could it really be dysbiotic? Help, I'm lost and don't want to reverse

the progress we have seen.

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What is your yeast protocol? Yeast overgrowth can cause constipation. You can

also try a few other things to address the constipation like using aloe juice

('s is great, no bitterness and doesn't have to be refrigerated) and

OxyPowder helps with constipation, as well. Both are natural and safe options.

The aloe has other benefits, like healing the gut and fighting pathogens in

addition to helping with constipation. I buy my 's by the gallon on

LuckyVitamin.com for $19, our local health food store sells the same thing for

$36! So that is quite the savings.

> > > >

> > > > The culturelle(L. GG)  fights clostridia the other probiotic

that fights clostidia is L.Plantrum. My son had c -diff  which

was cleared with antibiotic.  But the antibiotic seem to cause lots of

sensory and adhd.  I suspect my son has

a problem with clostridia due to the c diff.  We found

the L. Plantrum created constipation we are now using the cultrurelle probiotics

for kids and he seems to be ok on the constipation front. We are also using

attune candy bars(6 x yogurt) and candidse for yeast. 

> > > >

> > > > I am interested if your son is has clostridia , what are some of the

behavior issues you are dealing with....wondering if they are like my sons?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > PWC

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > From: G <luckylot@ .>

> > > >

> > > > Sent: Sat, January 30, 2010 9:02:28 PM

> > > > Subject: [ ] Anyone ever get Sacc B as a dysbiosis on stool

test?

> > > >

> > > >  

> > > > I am baffled by our most recent stool test for our four year old. The

only " dysbiosis " noted was the yeast, Saccharomyces Boulardii! We have been

using New Beginnings Probiotic Support which, in addition to a broad spectrum

probiotic (18 billion CFU per cap), contains 2 billion Sacc B. We were giving

2-3 of these at night. Clostridium spp. did also show up as a +2 out of a

possible +4, but it is not the C. Diff. strain, so we still don't know which it

is since the standard microbiology stool test doesn't look for other strains.

> > > >

> > > > Anyway, our DAN! suggested backing off the Sacc. B. for a while and

Doctor's Data (who did the test) thought it showed up, because it was just too

high. No other yeast or bacteria showed up, although he did have an imbalance of

hymolytic e.coli and hemolytic strep, but not dysbiotic. I am wondering, if the

Sacc. B. prevented these and the clostridia from getting worse, but I don't know

how I would know that. His stools are perfect, his mood swings are still there,

but not nearly as bad as they used to be....what if backing off allows the

clostridia to overgrow again? Since I stopped the Sacc. B. the only probiotic he

is getting now is 6 billion Lactobacilis (Culturelle) until the order I placed

for Custom Probiotics arrives. His stool test showed no growth for any of the

Lactobacilis strains...even though I give him tens of billions of them nightly.

So could the Sacc. B. be responsible for taking up too much space, not allowing

it to grow or is

> > > something

> > > > else going on? I am just so confused since this strain of probiotic is

pushed as a non-pathogenic yeast, helpful in addressing intestinal imbalances,

yet Doctor's Data considers it dysbiotic... should I continue it at lower

doses....could it really be dysbiotic? Help, I'm lost and don't want to reverse

the progress we have seen.

> > > >

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Only yeast protocol is candidese(protease & celluose), only started this in the

last couple weeks.  But the constipation started when on probiotics for 2

months no candidese at that time. I am a little confused...you think the

probiotics made the yeast worse?

PWC

________________________________

From: G <luckylot@...>

Sent: Fri, February 5, 2010 3:51:33 PM

Subject: [ ] Re: Anyone ever get Sacc B as a dysbiosis on stool

test?

 

What is your yeast protocol? Yeast overgrowth can cause constipation. You can

also try a few other things to address the constipation like using aloe juice

('s is great, no bitterness and doesn't have to be refrigerated) and

OxyPowder helps with constipation, as well. Both are natural and safe options.

The aloe has other benefits, like healing the gut and fighting pathogens in

addition to helping with constipation. I buy my 's by the gallon on

LuckyVitamin. com for $19, our local health food store sells the same thing for

$36! So that is quite the savings.

> > > >

> > > > The culturelle(L. GG)  fights clostridia the other

probiotic that fights clostidia is L.Plantrum. My son had c

-diff  which was cleared with antibiotic. 

But the antibiotic seem to cause lots of sensory and

adhd.  I suspect my son

has a problem with clostridia due to the c

diff.  We found the L. Plantrum created constipation we are

now using the cultrurelle probiotics for kids and he seems to be ok on the

constipation front. We are also using attune candy bars(6 x

yogurt) and candidse for yeast. 

> > > >

> > > > I am interested if your son is has clostridia , what are some of the

behavior issues you are dealing with....wondering if they are like my sons?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > PWC

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > From: G <luckylot@ .>

> > > >

> > > > Sent: Sat, January 30, 2010 9:02:28 PM

> > > > Subject: [ ] Anyone ever get Sacc B as a dysbiosis on stool

test?

> > > >

> > > >  

> > > > I am baffled by our most recent stool test for our four year old. The

only " dysbiosis " noted was the yeast, Saccharomyces Boulardii! We have been

using New Beginnings Probiotic Support which, in addition to a broad spectrum

probiotic (18 billion CFU per cap), contains 2 billion Sacc B. We were giving

2-3 of these at night. Clostridium spp. did also show up as a +2 out of a

possible +4, but it is not the C. Diff. strain, so we still don't know which it

is since the standard microbiology stool test doesn't look for other strains.

> > > >

> > > > Anyway, our DAN! suggested backing off the Sacc. B. for a while and

Doctor's Data (who did the test) thought it showed up, because it was just too

high. No other yeast or bacteria showed up, although he did have an imbalance of

hymolytic e.coli and hemolytic strep, but not dysbiotic. I am wondering, if the

Sacc. B. prevented these and the clostridia from getting worse, but I don't know

how I would know that. His stools are perfect, his mood swings are still there,

but not nearly as bad as they used to be....what if backing off allows the

clostridia to overgrow again? Since I stopped the Sacc. B. the only probiotic he

is getting now is 6 billion Lactobacilis (Culturelle) until the order I placed

for Custom Probiotics arrives. His stool test showed no growth for any of the

Lactobacilis strains...even though I give him tens of billions of them nightly.

So could the Sacc. B. be responsible for taking up too much space, not allowing

it to grow or is

> > > something

> > > > else going on? I am just so confused since this strain of probiotic is

pushed as a non-pathogenic yeast, helpful in addressing intestinal imbalances,

yet Doctor's Data considers it dysbiotic... should I continue it at lower

doses....could it really be dysbiotic? Help, I'm lost and don't want to reverse

the progress we have seen.

> > > >

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Just thought of something else...maybe when the clostridia got undercontrol with

the probiotics that left room for yeast to get worse?  He really never had a

problem with constipation before. I was thinking the clostridia probiotics might

have that effect ....but you never had that problem with L.GG?

PWC

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Sent: Fri, February 5, 2010 4:22:11 PM

Subject: Re: [ ] Re: Anyone ever get Sacc B as a dysbiosis on stool

test?

 

Only yeast protocol is candidese(protease & celluose), only started this in the

last couple weeks.  But the constipation started when on probiotics for 2

months no candidese at that time. I am a little confused...you think the

probiotics made the yeast worse?

PWC

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From: G <luckylotptd (DOT) net>

Sent: Fri, February 5, 2010 3:51:33 PM

Subject: [ ] Re: Anyone ever get Sacc B as a dysbiosis on stool

test?

 

What is your yeast protocol? Yeast overgrowth can cause constipation. You can

also try a few other things to address the constipation like using aloe juice

('s is great, no bitterness and doesn't have to be refrigerated) and

OxyPowder helps with constipation, as well. Both are natural and safe options.

The aloe has other benefits, like healing the gut and fighting pathogens in

addition to helping with constipation. I buy my 's by the gallon on

LuckyVitamin. com for $19, our local health food store sells the same thing for

$36! So that is quite the savings.

> > > >

> > > > The culturelle(L. GG)  fights clostridia the other

probiotic that fights clostidia is L.Plantrum. My son had c

-diff  which was cleared with antibiotic. 

But the antibiotic seem to cause lots of sensory and

adhd.  I suspect my son

has a problem with clostridia due to the c

diff.  We found the L. Plantrum created constipation we are

now using the cultrurelle probiotics for kids and he seems to be ok on the

constipation front. We are also using attune candy bars(6 x

yogurt) and candidse for yeast. 

> > > >

> > > > I am interested if your son is has clostridia , what are some of the

behavior issues you are dealing with....wondering if they are like my sons?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > PWC

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > From: G <luckylot@ .>

> > > >

> > > > Sent: Sat, January 30, 2010 9:02:28 PM

> > > > Subject: [ ] Anyone ever get Sacc B as a dysbiosis on stool

test?

> > > >

> > > >  

> > > > I am baffled by our most recent stool test for our four year old. The

only " dysbiosis " noted was the yeast, Saccharomyces Boulardii! We have been

using New Beginnings Probiotic Support which, in addition to a broad spectrum

probiotic (18 billion CFU per cap), contains 2 billion Sacc B. We were giving

2-3 of these at night. Clostridium spp. did also show up as a +2 out of a

possible +4, but it is not the C. Diff. strain, so we still don't know which it

is since the standard microbiology stool test doesn't look for other strains.

> > > >

> > > > Anyway, our DAN! suggested backing off the Sacc. B. for a while and

Doctor's Data (who did the test) thought it showed up, because it was just too

high. No other yeast or bacteria showed up, although he did have an imbalance of

hymolytic e.coli and hemolytic strep, but not dysbiotic. I am wondering, if the

Sacc. B. prevented these and the clostridia from getting worse, but I don't know

how I would know that. His stools are perfect, his mood swings are still there,

but not nearly as bad as they used to be....what if backing off allows the

clostridia to overgrow again? Since I stopped the Sacc. B. the only probiotic he

is getting now is 6 billion Lactobacilis (Culturelle) until the order I placed

for Custom Probiotics arrives. His stool test showed no growth for any of the

Lactobacilis strains...even though I give him tens of billions of them nightly.

So could the Sacc. B. be responsible for taking up too much space, not allowing

it to grow or is

> > > something

> > > > else going on? I am just so confused since this strain of probiotic is

pushed as a non-pathogenic yeast, helpful in addressing intestinal imbalances,

yet Doctor's Data considers it dysbiotic... should I continue it at lower

doses....could it really be dysbiotic? Help, I'm lost and don't want to reverse

the progress we have seen.

> > > >

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Yeast and bacteria tend to go hand in hand. Yeast tends to rise when there is

bacteria present, to try to keep it under control and often, when the bacteria

is killed off, the yeast flares. Our situation got so bad we needed

prescription strength meds a few times and our Dr. had us on Flagyl for the

bacteria and both Nystatin and Diflucan for the yeast, at the same time.

You may need something to kill the yeast and bacteria, something a little

stronger. Natural remedies that work for bacteria are: oil of oregano, olive

leaf extract, Uva Ursi, caprylic acid, grapefruit seed extract and for yeast:

the oil of oregano, Berberine, and grapefruit seed extract.

> > > > >

> > > > > The culturelle(L. GG) ÃÆ'‚ fights clostridia the other

probiotic that fights clostidia is L.Plantrum.ÃÆ'‚ My son had c

-diffÃÆ'‚  which was cleared with antibiotic.ÃÆ'‚ 

But the antibiotic seem to cause lots of sensory and

adhd.ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ I suspectÃÆ'‚ my son

has aÃÆ'‚ problem with clostridia due to theÃÆ'‚ c

diff.ÃÆ'‚  We found the L. Plantrum created constipation we are

now using the cultrurelle probiotics for kids and he seems to be ok on the

constipation front. We are also using attune candyÃÆ'‚ bars(6 x

yogurt) and candidse for yeast.ÃÆ'‚ 

> > > > >

> > > > > I am interested if your son is has clostridia , what are some of the

behavior issues you are dealing with....wondering if they are like my sons?

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > PWC

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > From: G <luckylot@ .>

> > > > >

> > > > > Sent: Sat, January 30, 2010 9:02:28 PM

> > > > > Subject: [ ] Anyone ever get Sacc B as a dysbiosis on

stool test?

> > > > >

> > > > > ÃÆ'‚ 

> > > > > I am baffled by our most recent stool test for our four year old. The

only " dysbiosis " noted was the yeast, Saccharomyces Boulardii! We have been

using New Beginnings Probiotic Support which, in addition to a broad spectrum

probiotic (18 billion CFU per cap), contains 2 billion Sacc B. We were giving

2-3 of these at night. Clostridium spp. did also show up as a +2 out of a

possible +4, but it is not the C. Diff. strain, so we still don't know which it

is since the standard microbiology stool test doesn't look for other strains.

> > > > >

> > > > > Anyway, our DAN! suggested backing off the Sacc. B. for a while and

Doctor's Data (who did the test) thought it showed up, because it was just too

high. No other yeast or bacteria showed up, although he did have an imbalance of

hymolytic e.coli and hemolytic strep, but not dysbiotic. I am wondering, if the

Sacc. B. prevented these and the clostridia from getting worse, but I don't know

how I would know that. His stools are perfect, his mood swings are still there,

but not nearly as bad as they used to be....what if backing off allows the

clostridia to overgrow again? Since I stopped the Sacc. B. the only probiotic he

is getting now is 6 billion Lactobacilis (Culturelle) until the order I placed

for Custom Probiotics arrives. His stool test showed no growth for any of the

Lactobacilis strains...even though I give him tens of billions of them nightly.

So could the Sacc. B. be responsible for taking up too much space, not allowing

it to grow or is

> > > > something

> > > > > else going on? I am just so confused since this strain of probiotic is

pushed as a non-pathogenic yeast, helpful in addressing intestinal imbalances,

yet Doctor's Data considers it dysbiotic... should I continue it at lower

doses....could it really be dysbiotic? Help, I'm lost and don't want to reverse

the progress we have seen.

> > > > >

> > > > >

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Thanks so much.  I will try the grapefruit seed extract as that seems to hit

both bacterial and yeast , according to your list.  I may lay off the

L.Plantrum and lgg for a bit to see the constipation gets better.

PWC

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Sent: Fri, February 5, 2010 8:33:49 PM

Subject: [ ] Re: Anyone ever get Sacc B as a dysbiosis on stool

test?

 

Yeast and bacteria tend to go hand in hand. Yeast tends to rise when there is

bacteria present, to try to keep it under control and often, when the bacteria

is killed off, the yeast flares. Our situation got so bad we needed prescription

strength meds a few times and our Dr. had us on Flagyl for the bacteria and both

Nystatin and Diflucan for the yeast, at the same time.

You may need something to kill the yeast and bacteria, something a little

stronger. Natural remedies that work for bacteria are: oil of oregano, olive

leaf extract, Uva Ursi, caprylic acid, grapefruit seed extract and for yeast:

the oil of oregano, Berberine, and grapefruit seed extract.

> > > > >

> > > > > The culturelle(L. GG) ÃÆ'‚ fights

clostridia the other probiotic that fights clostidia is

L.Plantrum.ÃÆ'‚ My son had c

-diffÃÆ'‚  which was cleared with

antibiotic.ÃÆ'‚  But the antibiotic seem to

cause lots of sensory and

adhd.ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚Â\

 I suspectÃÆ'‚ my son has

aÃÆ'‚ problem with clostridia due to

theÃÆ'‚ c

diff.ÃÆ'‚  We found the L. Plantrum created

constipation we are now using the cultrurelle probiotics for kids and he seems

to be ok on the constipation front. We are also using attune

candyÃÆ'‚ bars(6 x yogurt) and candidse for

yeast.ÃÆ'‚ 

> > > > >

> > > > > I am interested if your son is has clostridia , what are some of the

behavior issues you are dealing with....wondering if they are like my sons?

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > PWC

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > From: G <luckylot@ .>

> > > > >

> > > > > Sent: Sat, January 30, 2010 9:02:28 PM

> > > > > Subject: [ ] Anyone ever get Sacc B as a dysbiosis on

stool test?

> > > > >

> > > > > ÃÆ'‚ 

> > > > > I am baffled by our most recent stool test for our four year old. The

only " dysbiosis " noted was the yeast, Saccharomyces Boulardii! We have been

using New Beginnings Probiotic Support which, in addition to a broad spectrum

probiotic (18 billion CFU per cap), contains 2 billion Sacc B. We were giving

2-3 of these at night. Clostridium spp. did also show up as a +2 out of a

possible +4, but it is not the C. Diff. strain, so we still don't know which it

is since the standard microbiology stool test doesn't look for other strains.

> > > > >

> > > > > Anyway, our DAN! suggested backing off the Sacc. B. for a while and

Doctor's Data (who did the test) thought it showed up, because it was just too

high. No other yeast or bacteria showed up, although he did have an imbalance of

hymolytic e.coli and hemolytic strep, but not dysbiotic. I am wondering, if the

Sacc. B. prevented these and the clostridia from getting worse, but I don't know

how I would know that. His stools are perfect, his mood swings are still there,

but not nearly as bad as they used to be....what if backing off allows the

clostridia to overgrow again? Since I stopped the Sacc. B. the only probiotic he

is getting now is 6 billion Lactobacilis (Culturelle) until the order I placed

for Custom Probiotics arrives. His stool test showed no growth for any of the

Lactobacilis strains...even though I give him tens of billions of them nightly.

So could the Sacc. B. be responsible for taking up too much space, not allowing

it to grow or is

> > > > something

> > > > > else going on? I am just so confused since this strain of probiotic is

pushed as a non-pathogenic yeast, helpful in addressing intestinal imbalances,

yet Doctor's Data considers it dysbiotic... should I continue it at lower

doses....could it really be dysbiotic? Help, I'm lost and don't want to reverse

the progress we have seen.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

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I wouldn't recommend stopping the probiotics, especially when you are using

anti-microbials to kill yeast and bacteria, because they also tend to kill the

good guys, so replenishing the gut with probiotics is essential, otherwise the

bad guys will just continue to grow back. You want to fill the void with good

bacteria. Just be sure to keep the dosing of probiotics at least 2 hours away

from any anti-microbials. We give the probiotics at bedtime and do the

" killing " throughout the day. Our last anti-microbial dose is about 4-4:30 and

then I give the probiotics about 6:30 or so. I would encourage you to try the

aloe juice for the constipation rather than avoiding the probiotics.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The culturelle(L. GG)

ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ fights clostridia the other probiotic

that fights clostidia is L.Plantrum.ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ My

son had c -diffÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚  which was cleared with

antibiotic.ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚  But the antibiotic seem to

cause lots of sensory and

adhd.ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚\

 I suspectÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ my son has

aÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ problem with clostridia due to

theÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ c

diff.ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚  We found the L. Plantrum created

constipation we are now using the cultrurelle probiotics for kids and he seems

to be ok on the constipation front. We are also using attune

candyÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ bars(6 x yogurt) and candidse for

> yeast.ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ 

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am interested if your son is has clostridia , what are some of the

behavior issues you are dealing with....wondering if they are like my sons?

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > PWC

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > From: G <luckylot@ .>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sent: Sat, January 30, 2010 9:02:28 PM

> > > > > > Subject: [ ] Anyone ever get Sacc B as a dysbiosis on

stool test?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ 

> > > > > > I am baffled by our most recent stool test for our four year old.

The only " dysbiosis " noted was the yeast, Saccharomyces Boulardii! We have been

using New Beginnings Probiotic Support which, in addition to a broad spectrum

probiotic (18 billion CFU per cap), contains 2 billion Sacc B. We were giving

2-3 of these at night. Clostridium spp. did also show up as a +2 out of a

possible +4, but it is not the C. Diff. strain, so we still don't know which it

is since the standard microbiology stool test doesn't look for other strains.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Anyway, our DAN! suggested backing off the Sacc. B. for a while and

Doctor's Data (who did the test) thought it showed up, because it was just too

high. No other yeast or bacteria showed up, although he did have an imbalance of

hymolytic e.coli and hemolytic strep, but not dysbiotic. I am wondering, if the

Sacc. B. prevented these and the clostridia from getting worse, but I don't know

how I would know that. His stools are perfect, his mood swings are still there,

but not nearly as bad as they used to be....what if backing off allows the

clostridia to overgrow again? Since I stopped the Sacc. B. the only probiotic he

is getting now is 6 billion Lactobacilis (Culturelle) until the order I placed

for Custom Probiotics arrives. His stool test showed no growth for any of the

Lactobacilis strains...even though I give him tens of billions of them nightly.

So could the Sacc. B. be responsible for taking up too much space, not allowing

it to grow or is

> > > > > something

> > > > > > else going on? I am just so confused since this strain of probiotic

is pushed as a non-pathogenic yeast, helpful in addressing intestinal

imbalances, yet Doctor's Data considers it dysbiotic... should I continue it at

lower doses....could it really be dysbiotic? Help, I'm lost and don't want to

reverse the progress we have seen.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

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I found that SAC B does great to kill it (it can be very strong - so go very

slowly) but Culturelle is great to support the system but I found couldn't

kill it.....

ANN

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On Behalf Of svallo44024

Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 7:18 PM

Subject: [ ] Re: Anyone ever get Sacc B as a dysbiosis on stool

test?

Kirkman's Pro Culture Gold works on the hard to eradicate clostridia.

> >

> > The culturelle(L. GG)  fights clostridia the other probiotic that

fights clostidia is L.Plantrum. My son had c -diff which was cleared

with antibiotic. But the antibiotic seem to cause lots of sensory and

adhd.  I suspect my son has a problem with clostridia due to

the c diff. We found the L. Plantrum created constipation we are now

using the cultrurelle probiotics for kids and he seems to be ok on the

constipation front. We are also using attune candy bars(6 x yogurt) and

candidse for yeast.ÂÂ

> >

> > I am interested if your son is has clostridia , what are some of the

behavior issues you are dealing with....wondering if they are like my sons?

> >

> >

> > PWC

> >

> >

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > From: G <luckylot@ .>

> >

> > Sent: Sat, January 30, 2010 9:02:28 PM

> > Subject: [ ] Anyone ever get Sacc B as a dysbiosis on stool

test?

> >

> > ÂÂ

> > I am baffled by our most recent stool test for our four year old. The

only " dysbiosis " noted was the yeast, Saccharomyces Boulardii! We have been

using New Beginnings Probiotic Support which, in addition to a broad

spectrum probiotic (18 billion CFU per cap), contains 2 billion Sacc B. We

were giving 2-3 of these at night. Clostridium spp. did also show up as a +2

out of a possible +4, but it is not the C. Diff. strain, so we still don't

know which it is since the standard microbiology stool test doesn't look for

other strains.

> >

> > Anyway, our DAN! suggested backing off the Sacc. B. for a while and

Doctor's Data (who did the test) thought it showed up, because it was just

too high. No other yeast or bacteria showed up, although he did have an

imbalance of hymolytic e.coli and hemolytic strep, but not dysbiotic. I am

wondering, if the Sacc. B. prevented these and the clostridia from getting

worse, but I don't know how I would know that. His stools are perfect, his

mood swings are still there, but not nearly as bad as they used to

be....what if backing off allows the clostridia to overgrow again? Since I

stopped the Sacc. B. the only probiotic he is getting now is 6 billion

Lactobacilis (Culturelle) until the order I placed for Custom Probiotics

arrives. His stool test showed no growth for any of the Lactobacilis

strains...even though I give him tens of billions of them nightly. So could

the Sacc. B. be responsible for taking up too much space, not allowing it to

grow or is

> something

> > else going on? I am just so confused since this strain of probiotic is

pushed as a non-pathogenic yeast, helpful in addressing intestinal

imbalances, yet Doctor's Data considers it dysbiotic... should I continue it

at lower doses....could it really be dysbiotic? Help, I'm lost and don't

want to reverse the progress we have seen.

> >

> >

> >

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You may need to try some Sac B....I am using Nutricology from amazon....very

cheap!!! I only give my son a few granules at a time 2x/day and increase it

very slowly....it kills the bacteria!!!!

ANN

_____

From: [mailto: ]

On Behalf Of Concerned Parent

Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 6:30 AM

Subject: Re: [ ] Re: Anyone ever get Sacc B as a dysbiosis on

stool test?

,

One more question. My son has the clostridia but I am finding the L.

Plantarum and L.GG(cullelte) is constipating him...any ideas? Did you run

into this...maybe I am not giving him enough. He is six and on the smaller

side for his age...L. Plantarum 500 mill and for the L.GG the most was 3

billion(kids version).. Appreciate any feed back, as I know he is better

mood on the probiotics but I can't have him constipated.

PWC

________________________________

From: G <luckylotptd (DOT) <mailto:luckylot%40ptd.net> net>

@ <mailto: %40>

Sent: Thu, February 4, 2010 1:02:12 PM

Subject: [ ] Re: Anyone ever get Sacc B as a dysbiosis on stool

test?

This is because it contains the L. Rhamnosus and L. Plantarum strains, so

technically, you could use any probiotic that contains those. This product

DOES contain the strep strain though and that has proven to be problematic

for viral kids, so watch that. WE avoid that like the plague.

> > >

> > > The culturelle(L. GG)  fights clostridia the other probiotic that

fights clostidia is L.Plantrum. My son had c -diff which was cleared

with antibiotic. But the antibiotic seem to cause lots of sensory and

adhd.  I suspect my son has a problem with clostridia due to

the c diff. We found the L. Plantrum created constipation we are now

using the cultrurelle probiotics for kids and he seems to be ok on the

constipation front. We are also using attune candy bars(6 x yogurt) and

candidse for yeast.ÂÂ

> > >

> > > I am interested if your son is has clostridia , what are some of the

behavior issues you are dealing with....wondering if they are like my sons?

> > >

> > >

> > > PWC

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > From: G <luckylot@ .>

> > >

> > > Sent: Sat, January 30, 2010 9:02:28 PM

> > > Subject: [ ] Anyone ever get Sacc B as a dysbiosis on

stool test?

> > >

> > > ÂÂ

> > > I am baffled by our most recent stool test for our four year old. The

only " dysbiosis " noted was the yeast, Saccharomyces Boulardii! We have been

using New Beginnings Probiotic Support which, in addition to a broad

spectrum probiotic (18 billion CFU per cap), contains 2 billion Sacc B. We

were giving 2-3 of these at night. Clostridium spp. did also show up as a +2

out of a possible +4, but it is not the C. Diff. strain, so we still don't

know which it is since the standard microbiology stool test doesn't look for

other strains.

> > >

> > > Anyway, our DAN! suggested backing off the Sacc. B. for a while and

Doctor's Data (who did the test) thought it showed up, because it was just

too high. No other yeast or bacteria showed up, although he did have an

imbalance of hymolytic e.coli and hemolytic strep, but not dysbiotic. I am

wondering, if the Sacc. B. prevented these and the clostridia from getting

worse, but I don't know how I would know that. His stools are perfect, his

mood swings are still there, but not nearly as bad as they used to

be....what if backing off allows the clostridia to overgrow again? Since I

stopped the Sacc. B. the only probiotic he is getting now is 6 billion

Lactobacilis (Culturelle) until the order I placed for Custom Probiotics

arrives. His stool test showed no growth for any of the Lactobacilis

strains...even though I give him tens of billions of them nightly. So could

the Sacc. B. be responsible for taking up too much space, not allowing it to

grow or is

> > something

> > > else going on? I am just so confused since this strain of probiotic is

pushed as a non-pathogenic yeast, helpful in addressing intestinal

imbalances, yet Doctor's Data considers it dysbiotic... should I continue it

at lower doses....could it really be dysbiotic? Help, I'm lost and don't

want to reverse the progress we have seen.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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Ann,

     Does that help with the constipation?

PWC

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Sent: Sun, February 7, 2010 6:53:59 PM

Subject: RE: [ ] Re: Anyone ever get Sacc B as a dysbiosis on stool

test?

 

You may need to try some Sac B....I am using Nutricology from amazon....very

cheap!!! I only give my son a few granules at a time 2x/day and increase it

very slowly....it kills the bacteria!!!!

ANN

_____

From: [mailto: ]

On Behalf Of Concerned Parent

Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 6:30 AM

Subject: Re: [ ] Re: Anyone ever get Sacc B as a dysbiosis on

stool test?

,

One more question. My son has the clostridia but I am finding the L.

Plantarum and L.GG(cullelte) is constipating him...any ideas? Did you run

into this...maybe I am not giving him enough. He is six and on the smaller

side for his age...L. Plantarum 500 mill and for the L.GG the most was 3

billion(kids version).. Appreciate any feed back, as I know he is better

mood on the probiotics but I can't have him constipated.

PWC

____________ _________ _________ __

From: G <luckylotptd (DOT) <mailto:luckylot% 40ptd.net> net>

@ <mailto:Autism- Mercury%40g roups.com>

groups. com

Sent: Thu, February 4, 2010 1:02:12 PM

Subject: [ ] Re: Anyone ever get Sacc B as a dysbiosis on stool

test?

This is because it contains the L. Rhamnosus and L. Plantarum strains, so

technically, you could use any probiotic that contains those. This product

DOES contain the strep strain though and that has proven to be problematic

for viral kids, so watch that. WE avoid that like the plague.

> > >

> > > The culturelle(L. GG)  fights clostridia the other probiotic that

fights clostidia is L.Plantrum. My son had c -diff which was

cleared

with antibiotic. But the antibiotic seem to cause lots of sensory and

adhd.  I suspect my son has a problem with

clostridia due to

the c diff. We found the L. Plantrum created constipation we are

now

using the cultrurelle probiotics for kids and he seems to be ok on the

constipation front. We are also using attune candy bars(6 x yogurt) and

candidse for yeast.ÂÂ

> > >

> > > I am interested if your son is has clostridia , what are some of the

behavior issues you are dealing with....wondering if they are like my sons?

> > >

> > >

> > > PWC

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > From: G <luckylot@ .>

> > >

> > > Sent: Sat, January 30, 2010 9:02:28 PM

> > > Subject: [ ] Anyone ever get Sacc B as a dysbiosis on

stool test?

> > >

> > > ÂÂ

> > > I am baffled by our most recent stool test for our four year old. The

only " dysbiosis " noted was the yeast, Saccharomyces Boulardii! We have been

using New Beginnings Probiotic Support which, in addition to a broad

spectrum probiotic (18 billion CFU per cap), contains 2 billion Sacc B. We

were giving 2-3 of these at night. Clostridium spp. did also show up as a +2

out of a possible +4, but it is not the C. Diff. strain, so we still don't

know which it is since the standard microbiology stool test doesn't look for

other strains.

> > >

> > > Anyway, our DAN! suggested backing off the Sacc. B. for a while and

Doctor's Data (who did the test) thought it showed up, because it was just

too high. No other yeast or bacteria showed up, although he did have an

imbalance of hymolytic e.coli and hemolytic strep, but not dysbiotic. I am

wondering, if the Sacc. B. prevented these and the clostridia from getting

worse, but I don't know how I would know that. His stools are perfect, his

mood swings are still there, but not nearly as bad as they used to

be....what if backing off allows the clostridia to overgrow again? Since I

stopped the Sacc. B. the only probiotic he is getting now is 6 billion

Lactobacilis (Culturelle) until the order I placed for Custom Probiotics

arrives. His stool test showed no growth for any of the Lactobacilis

strains...even though I give him tens of billions of them nightly. So could

the Sacc. B. be responsible for taking up too much space, not allowing it to

grow or is

> > something

> > > else going on? I am just so confused since this strain of probiotic is

pushed as a non-pathogenic yeast, helpful in addressing intestinal

imbalances, yet Doctor's Data considers it dysbiotic... should I continue it

at lower doses....could it really be dysbiotic? Help, I'm lost and don't

want to reverse the progress we have seen.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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Thanks for all the advice.  I need a little more. I started the GSE , he had it

two days(4 drops...it said 1 to 3 drop but because I was only doing once a day I

though I would do 4).  Well, he was up all night last night throwing up.  Not

sure if it is the constipation, a bug or the GSE.... Maybe I did not give enough

probiotics with it...not sure.

PWC

________________________________

From: G <luckylot@...>

Sent: Sun, February 7, 2010 2:47:08 PM

Subject: [ ] Re: Anyone ever get Sacc B as a dysbiosis on stool

test?

 

I wouldn't recommend stopping the probiotics, especially when you are using

anti-microbials to kill yeast and bacteria, because they also tend to kill the

good guys, so replenishing the gut with probiotics is essential, otherwise the

bad guys will just continue to grow back. You want to fill the void with good

bacteria. Just be sure to keep the dosing of probiotics at least 2 hours away

from any anti-microbials. We give the probiotics at bedtime and do the " killing "

throughout the day. Our last anti-microbial dose is about 4-4:30 and then I give

the probiotics about 6:30 or so. I would encourage you to try the aloe juice for

the constipation rather than avoiding the probiotics.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The culturelle(L. GG)

ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ÂÃ\

‚ fights clostridia the other probiotic that fights clostidia is

L.Plantrum.ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Ã\

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-diffÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Ãââ‚\

¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚  which was cleared with

antibiotic.ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Ã\

ƒâ€šÃ‚  But the antibiotic seem to cause lots of sensory and

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cultrurelle probiotics for kids and he seems to be ok on the constipation front.

We are also using attune

candyÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Ãââ‚\

¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ bars(6 x yogurt) and candidse for

>

yeast.ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Ãââ\

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> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am interested if your son is has clostridia , what are some of the

behavior issues you are dealing with....wondering if they are like my sons?

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > PWC

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > From: G <luckylot@ .>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sent: Sat, January 30, 2010 9:02:28 PM

> > > > > > Subject: [ ] Anyone ever get Sacc B as a dysbiosis on

stool test?

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ÂÃ\

‚ 

> > > > > > I am baffled by our most recent stool test for our four year old.

The only " dysbiosis " noted was the yeast, Saccharomyces Boulardii! We have been

using New Beginnings Probiotic Support which, in addition to a broad spectrum

probiotic (18 billion CFU per cap), contains 2 billion Sacc B. We were giving

2-3 of these at night. Clostridium spp. did also show up as a +2 out of a

possible +4, but it is not the C. Diff. strain, so we still don't know which it

is since the standard microbiology stool test doesn't look for other strains.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Anyway, our DAN! suggested backing off the Sacc. B. for a while and

Doctor's Data (who did the test) thought it showed up, because it was just too

high. No other yeast or bacteria showed up, although he did have an imbalance of

hymolytic e.coli and hemolytic strep, but not dysbiotic. I am wondering, if the

Sacc. B. prevented these and the clostridia from getting worse, but I don't know

how I would know that. His stools are perfect, his mood swings are still there,

but not nearly as bad as they used to be....what if backing off allows the

clostridia to overgrow again? Since I stopped the Sacc. B. the only probiotic he

is getting now is 6 billion Lactobacilis (Culturelle) until the order I placed

for Custom Probiotics arrives. His stool test showed no growth for any of the

Lactobacilis strains...even though I give him tens of billions of them nightly.

So could the Sacc. B. be responsible for taking up too much space, not allowing

it to grow or

is

> > > > > something

> > > > > > else going on? I am just so confused since this strain of probiotic

is pushed as a non-pathogenic yeast, helpful in addressing intestinal

imbalances, yet Doctor's Data considers it dysbiotic... should I continue it at

lower doses....could it really be dysbiotic? Help, I'm lost and don't want to

reverse the progress we have seen.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

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That sounds like severe die off from the GSE. Four drops is a lot to start

with, most people start at one drop and work up slowly as it is tolerated. A

friend of mine and my children all had that same reaction in our kids (three

kids) when we started treating for yeast aggressively. It could be a bug,

because I know some crazy bugs are going around right now, both of my kids had

it this past week, but I also know that starting too high with the GSE can cause

major die off and vomiting can be part of that. Try backing off and starting

slowly with the GSE and yes, keep the probiotics high at the end of the day.

Sacc B is a good choice for bacteria.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The culturelle(L. GG)

ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Ã\

‚ fights clostridia the other probiotic that fights clostidia is

L.Plantrum.ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚Ã\

Æ'‚ My son had c

-diffÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'ââ‚\

¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚  which was cleared with

antibiotic.ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚Ã\

Æ'‚  But the antibiotic seem to cause lots of sensory and

adhd.ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'ââ‚\

¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚Ã\

ƒÆ'‚ I

suspectÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'â\

€šÃ‚ my son has

aÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Ã\

ƒâ€šÃ‚ problem with clostridia due to

>

theÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'â€Å\

¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ c

diff.ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'ââ‚\

¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚  We found the L. Plantrum created constipation we are now using the

cultrurelle probiotics for kids and he seems to be ok on the constipation front.

We are also using attune

candyÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'ââ‚\

¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ bars(6 x yogurt) and candidse for

> >

yeast.ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'ââ\

‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ 

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> > > > > > > I am interested if your son is has clostridia , what are some of

the behavior issues you are dealing with....wondering if they are like my sons?

> > > > > > >

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> > > > > > > PWC

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > From: G <luckylot@ .>

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sent: Sat, January 30, 2010 9:02:28 PM

> > > > > > > Subject: [ ] Anyone ever get Sacc B as a dysbiosis on

stool test?

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ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Ã\

‚ 

> > > > > > > I am baffled by our most recent stool test for our four year old.

The only " dysbiosis " noted was the yeast, Saccharomyces Boulardii! We have been

using New Beginnings Probiotic Support which, in addition to a broad spectrum

probiotic (18 billion CFU per cap), contains 2 billion Sacc B. We were giving

2-3 of these at night. Clostridium spp. did also show up as a +2 out of a

possible +4, but it is not the C. Diff. strain, so we still don't know which it

is since the standard microbiology stool test doesn't look for other strains.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Anyway, our DAN! suggested backing off the Sacc. B. for a while

and Doctor's Data (who did the test) thought it showed up, because it was just

too high. No other yeast or bacteria showed up, although he did have an

imbalance of hymolytic e.coli and hemolytic strep, but not dysbiotic. I am

wondering, if the Sacc. B. prevented these and the clostridia from getting

worse, but I don't know how I would know that. His stools are perfect, his mood

swings are still there, but not nearly as bad as they used to be....what if

backing off allows the clostridia to overgrow again? Since I stopped the Sacc.

B. the only probiotic he is getting now is 6 billion Lactobacilis (Culturelle)

until the order I placed for Custom Probiotics arrives. His stool test showed no

growth for any of the Lactobacilis strains...even though I give him tens of

billions of them nightly. So could the Sacc. B. be responsible for taking up too

much space, not allowing it to grow or

> is

> > > > > > something

> > > > > > > else going on? I am just so confused since this strain of

probiotic is pushed as a non-pathogenic yeast, helpful in addressing intestinal

imbalances, yet Doctor's Data considers it dysbiotic... should I continue it at

lower doses....could it really be dysbiotic? Help, I'm lost and don't want to

reverse the progress we have seen.

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How long did they throw up for ?  I am getting really worried

PWC

 

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From: G <luckylot@...>

Sent: Mon, February 8, 2010 11:35:26 AM

Subject: [ ] Re: Anyone ever get Sacc B as a dysbiosis on stool

test?

 

That sounds like severe die off from the GSE. Four drops is a lot to start with,

most people start at one drop and work up slowly as it is tolerated. A friend of

mine and my children all had that same reaction in our kids (three kids) when we

started treating for yeast aggressively. It could be a bug, because I know some

crazy bugs are going around right now, both of my kids had it this past week,

but I also know that starting too high with the GSE can cause major die off and

vomiting can be part of that. Try backing off and starting slowly with the GSE

and yes, keep the probiotics high at the end of the day. Sacc B is a good choice

for bacteria.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The culturelle(L. GG)

ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Ãââ\

‚¬Â¦Ãƒâ€šÃ‚¡ÃƒÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚\

 fights clostridia the other probiotic that fights clostidia

is

L.Plantrum.ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚Â\

¬Ã…¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'â\

€šÃ‚ My son had c

-diffÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Ã\

ƒâ€¦Ã‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'ââ‚Â\

¬Ã…¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚  which was cleared with

antibiotic.ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚Â\

¬Ã…¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'â\

€šÃ‚  But the antibiotic seem to cause lots of sensory

and

adhd.ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Ã\

ƒâ€¦Ã‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'ââ‚Â\

¬Ã…¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢âââ\

‚¬Å¡Ã‚¬Ã…¡ÃÆ'Æ'â€ÅÃ\

‚¡ÃƒÆ'‚ I

suspectÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬\

Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'âââ€\

šÂ¬Ã…¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ my son has

aÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Ãâ\

€¦Ã‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'â€ÅÂ\

¡ÃƒÆ’‚ problem with clostridia due to

>

theÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Ã\

…¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'â€Ã\

…¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ c

diff.ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Ã\

ƒâ€¦Ã‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'ââ‚Â\

¬Ã…¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚  We found the L. Plantrum created constipation we are

now using the cultrurelle probiotics for kids and he seems to be ok on the

constipation front. We are also using attune

candyÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Ã\

ƒâ€¦Ã‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'ââ‚Â\

¬Ã…¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ bars(6 x yogurt) and candidse for

> >

yeast.ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Ã\

ƒÆ’…¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'ââ‚\

¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ 

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I am interested if your son is has clostridia , what are some of

the behavior issues you are dealing with....wondering if they are like my sons?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > PWC

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > From: G <luckylot@ .>

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sent: Sat, January 30, 2010 9:02:28 PM

> > > > > > > Subject: [ ] Anyone ever get Sacc B as a dysbiosis on

stool test?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Ãââ\

‚¬Â¦Ãƒâ€šÃ‚¡ÃƒÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚\

 

> > > > > > > I am baffled by our most recent stool test for our four year old.

The only " dysbiosis " noted was the yeast, Saccharomyces Boulardii! We have been

using New Beginnings Probiotic Support which, in addition to a broad spectrum

probiotic (18 billion CFU per cap), contains 2 billion Sacc B. We were giving

2-3 of these at night. Clostridium spp. did also show up as a +2 out of a

possible +4, but it is not the C. Diff. strain, so we still don't know which it

is since the standard microbiology stool test doesn't look for other strains.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Anyway, our DAN! suggested backing off the Sacc. B. for a while

and Doctor's Data (who did the test) thought it showed up, because it was just

too high. No other yeast or bacteria showed up, although he did have an

imbalance of hymolytic e.coli and hemolytic strep, but not dysbiotic. I am

wondering, if the Sacc. B. prevented these and the clostridia from getting

worse, but I don't know how I would know that. His stools are perfect, his mood

swings are still there, but not nearly as bad as they used to be....what if

backing off allows the clostridia to overgrow again? Since I stopped the Sacc.

B. the only probiotic he is getting now is 6 billion Lactobacilis (Culturelle)

until the order I placed for Custom Probiotics arrives. His stool test showed no

growth for any of the Lactobacilis strains...even though I give him tens of

billions of them nightly. So could the Sacc. B. be responsible for taking up too

much space, not allowing it to grow or

> is

> > > > > > something

> > > > > > > else going on? I am just so confused since this strain of

probiotic is pushed as a non-pathogenic yeast, helpful in addressing intestinal

imbalances, yet Doctor's Data considers it dysbiotic... should I continue it at

lower doses....could it really be dysbiotic? Help, I'm lost and don't want to

reverse the progress we have seen.

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I would stop the GSE & see if it was that. It's potent.

I tried it. Caused nausia. Used it for my son was he was 3. Had to stop after a

few mos. Caused digestion issues for him. We react bad to most citrus though.

I don't understand Sacc. B, it has yeast. So only those could use if their yeast

was in check?

Kathy

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From: Concerned Parent <parentwithconcerns@...>

Subject: Re: [ ] Re: Anyone ever get Sacc B as a dysbiosis on stool

test?

Date: Monday, February 8, 2010, 10:43 AM

 

How long did they throw up for ?  I am getting really worried

PWC

 

____________ _________ _________ __

From: G <luckylotptd (DOT) net>

Sent: Mon, February 8, 2010 11:35:26 AM

Subject: [ ] Re: Anyone ever get Sacc B as a dysbiosis on stool

test?

 

That sounds like severe die off from the GSE. Four drops is a lot to start with,

most people start at one drop and work up slowly as it is tolerated. A friend of

mine and my children all had that same reaction in our kids (three kids) when we

started treating for yeast aggressively. It could be a bug, because I know some

crazy bugs are going around right now, both of my kids had it this past week,

but I also know that starting too high with the GSE can cause major die off and

vomiting can be part of that. Try backing off and starting slowly with the GSE

and yes, keep the probiotics high at the end of the day. Sacc B is a good choice

for bacteria.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The culturelle(L. GG)

ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Ãââ\

‚¬Â¦Ãƒâ€šÃ‚¡ÃƒÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚\

 fights clostridia the other probiotic that fights clostidia

is

L.Plantrum.ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚Â\

¬Ã…¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'â\

€šÃ‚ My son had c

-diffÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Ã\

ƒâ€¦Ã‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'ââ‚Â\

¬Ã…¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚  which was cleared with

antibiotic.ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚Â\

¬Ã…¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'â\

€šÃ‚  But the antibiotic seem to cause lots of sensory

and

adhd.ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Ã\

ƒâ€¦Ã‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'ââ‚Â\

¬Ã…¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢âââ\

‚¬Å¡Ã‚¬Ã…¡ÃÆ'Æ'â€ÅÃ\

‚¡ÃƒÆ'‚ I

suspectÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬\

Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'âââ€\

šÂ¬Ã…¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ my son has

aÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Ãâ\

€¦Ã‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'â€ÅÂ\

¡ÃƒÆ’‚ problem with clostridia due to

>

theÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Ã\

…¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'â€Ã\

…¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ c

diff.ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Ã\

ƒâ€¦Ã‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'ââ‚Â\

¬Ã…¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚  We found the L. Plantrum created constipation we are

now using the cultrurelle probiotics for kids and he seems to be ok on the

constipation front. We are also using attune

candyÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Ã\

ƒâ€¦Ã‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'ââ‚Â\

¬Ã…¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ bars(6 x yogurt) and candidse for

> >

yeast.ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Ã\

ƒÆ’…¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'ââ‚\

¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ 

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I am interested if your son is has clostridia , what are some of

the behavior issues you are dealing with....wondering if they are like my sons?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > PWC

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > From: G <luckylot@ .>

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sent: Sat, January 30, 2010 9:02:28 PM

> > > > > > > Subject: [ ] Anyone ever get Sacc B as a dysbiosis on

stool test?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Ãââ\

‚¬Â¦Ãƒâ€šÃ‚¡ÃƒÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚\

 

> > > > > > > I am baffled by our most recent stool test for our four year old.

The only " dysbiosis " noted was the yeast, Saccharomyces Boulardii! We have been

using New Beginnings Probiotic Support which, in addition to a broad spectrum

probiotic (18 billion CFU per cap), contains 2 billion Sacc B. We were giving

2-3 of these at night. Clostridium spp. did also show up as a +2 out of a

possible +4, but it is not the C. Diff. strain, so we still don't know which it

is since the standard microbiology stool test doesn't look for other strains.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Anyway, our DAN! suggested backing off the Sacc. B. for a while

and Doctor's Data (who did the test) thought it showed up, because it was just

too high. No other yeast or bacteria showed up, although he did have an

imbalance of hymolytic e.coli and hemolytic strep, but not dysbiotic. I am

wondering, if the Sacc. B. prevented these and the clostridia from getting

worse, but I don't know how I would know that. His stools are perfect, his mood

swings are still there, but not nearly as bad as they used to be....what if

backing off allows the clostridia to overgrow again? Since I stopped the Sacc.

B. the only probiotic he is getting now is 6 billion Lactobacilis (Culturelle)

until the order I placed for Custom Probiotics arrives. His stool test showed no

growth for any of the Lactobacilis strains...even though I give him tens of

billions of them nightly. So could the Sacc. B. be responsible for taking up too

much space, not allowing it to grow

or

> is

> > > > > > something

> > > > > > > else going on? I am just so confused since this strain of

probiotic is pushed as a non-pathogenic yeast, helpful in addressing intestinal

imbalances, yet Doctor's Data considers it dysbiotic... should I continue it at

lower doses....could it really be dysbiotic? Help, I'm lost and don't want to

reverse the progress we have seen.

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Overall I have heard mostly negatives about GSE, I would try a different yeast

treatment. I have heard wonderful things about Coconut oil.

Liz

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> > > > > > > > The culturelle(L. GG)

ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'ââ\

‚¬Â¦Ãƒâ€šÃ‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚\

ÃÆ'‚ fights clostridia the other probiotic that fights clostidia

is

L.Plantrum.ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ\

¬ÃÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'â\

€šÃÆ'‚ My son had c

-diffÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬Ã\

Æ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'ââ‚Â\

¬Ã…¡ÃÆ'‚  which was cleared with

antibiotic.ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ\

¬ÃÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'â\

€šÃÆ'‚  But the antibiotic seem to cause lots of sensory

and

>

>

adhd.ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬Ã\

Æ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'ââ‚Â\

¬Ã…¡ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢ââ\

‚¬Å¡Ã‚¬ÃÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬ÅÃ\

‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ I

suspectÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬\

ÃÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'âââ€\

šÂ¬Ã…¡ÃÆ'‚ my son has

aÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'â\

€¦Ã‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'â€ÅÂ\

¡ÃƒÆ'‚ problem with clostridia due to

>

> >

theÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'\

…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'â€Ã\

…¡ÃÆ'‚ c

diff.ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬Ã\

Æ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'ââ‚Â\

¬Ã…¡ÃÆ'‚  We found the L. Plantrum created constipation we are

now using the cultrurelle probiotics for kids and he seems to be ok on the

constipation front. We are also using attune

candyÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬Ã\

Æ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'ââ‚Â\

¬Ã…¡ÃÆ'‚ bars(6 x yogurt) and candidse for

>

> > >

yeast.ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬Ã\

ƒÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'ââ‚\

¬Å¡ÃÆ'‚ 

>

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>

> > > > > > > > I am interested if your son is has clostridia , what are some of

the behavior issues you are dealing with....wondering if they are like my sons?

>

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>

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> > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

>

> > > > > > > > From: G <luckylot@ .>

>

> > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > Sent: Sat, January 30, 2010 9:02:28 PM

>

> > > > > > > > Subject: [ ] Anyone ever get Sacc B as a dysbiosis

on stool test?

>

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ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'ââ\

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ÃÆ'‚ 

>

> > > > > > > > I am baffled by our most recent stool test for our four year

old. The only " dysbiosis " noted was the yeast, Saccharomyces Boulardii! We have

been using New Beginnings Probiotic Support which, in addition to a broad

spectrum probiotic (18 billion CFU per cap), contains 2 billion Sacc B. We were

giving 2-3 of these at night. Clostridium spp. did also show up as a +2 out of a

possible +4, but it is not the C. Diff. strain, so we still don't know which it

is since the standard microbiology stool test doesn't look for other strains.

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and Doctor's Data (who did the test) thought it showed up, because it was just

too high. No other yeast or bacteria showed up, although he did have an

imbalance of hymolytic e.coli and hemolytic strep, but not dysbiotic. I am

wondering, if the Sacc. B. prevented these and the clostridia from getting

worse, but I don't know how I would know that. His stools are perfect, his mood

swings are still there, but not nearly as bad as they used to be....what if

backing off allows the clostridia to overgrow again? Since I stopped the Sacc.

B. the only probiotic he is getting now is 6 billion Lactobacilis (Culturelle)

until the order I placed for Custom Probiotics arrives. His stool test showed no

growth for any of the Lactobacilis strains...even though I give him tens of

billions of them nightly. So could the Sacc. B. be responsible for taking up too

much space, not allowing it to grow

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probiotic is pushed as a non-pathogenic yeast, helpful in addressing intestinal

imbalances, yet Doctor's Data considers it dysbiotic... should I continue it at

lower doses....could it really be dysbiotic? Help, I'm lost and don't want to

reverse the progress we have seen.

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