Re: Anyone ever get Sacc B as a dysbiosis on stool test?

[Guest guest]

Liz,

Thanks a lot. I'll try making the kefir & the zinc. I'll try both.   He's high

functioning at 11 we're behind most on chelation. Been on diet for years.  He

tested positive with a parasite in Jan. We don't know what kind. Explained the

tests are hard to get a definitive result on. Went to a good alternative that

used EAV testing. We're taking care of that 1st.

His pupils are dilated all the time. That shows me metals.

Kat

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From: Liz <elizabethsoliday@...>

Subject: [ ] ] Re: Anyone ever get Sacc B as a dysbiosis on stool

test?

Date: Monday, February 8, 2010, 1:15 PM

 

If he is a picky eater and needs to gain weight, you should try putting

liquid zinc in his drinks. You can get it here: www.kornax.com If you cannot

smell or taste your food, it is less appealing to you. He may be using zinc to

fight infections in his body and doesn't have enough of it for his sensory

needs. In that case I would also go heavy on the antioxidants, however you can

get them in him.

You are doing fine using the coconut oil on the french fries. Also try making

coconut kefir and putting it in smoothies for probiotics. I use about a cup of

blueberries, 1/2 banana, 1/2 cup kefir, and cover the mixture with water (to

about 1 inch over it). I think it's enough for about 3 small cups, my kids and

I drink it almost every day. Maybe that will work for him, then again, maybe he

needs the zinc first before he is willing!!

Liz

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after a few mos. Caused digestion issues for him. We react bad to most citrus

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probiotics made the yeast worse?

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If I give him too much, he has the runs....I think it helps with the

constipation since it kills clostridia and it is the clostridia that may be

causing the constipation....

I use mag citrate too!!!

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From: [mailto: ]

On Behalf Of Concerned Parent

Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 6:38 AM

Subject: Re: [ ] Re: Anyone ever get Sacc B as a dysbiosis on

stool test?

Ann,

Does that help with the constipation?

PWC

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From: Ann Schimka <aschimkasan (DOT) <mailto:aschimka%40san.rr.com> rr.com>

@ <mailto: %40>

Sent: Sun, February 7, 2010 6:53:59 PM

Subject: RE: [ ] Re: Anyone ever get Sacc B as a dysbiosis on

stool test?

You may need to try some Sac B....I am using Nutricology from amazon....very

cheap!!! I only give my son a few granules at a time 2x/day and increase it

very slowly....it kills the bacteria!!!!

ANN

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On Behalf Of Concerned Parent

Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 6:30 AM

Subject: Re: [ ] Re: Anyone ever get Sacc B as a dysbiosis on

stool test?

,

One more question. My son has the clostridia but I am finding the L.

Plantarum and L.GG(cullelte) is constipating him...any ideas? Did you run

into this...maybe I am not giving him enough. He is six and on the smaller

side for his age...L. Plantarum 500 mill and for the L.GG the most was 3

billion(kids version).. Appreciate any feed back, as I know he is better

mood on the probiotics but I can't have him constipated.

PWC

____________ _________ _________ __

From: G <luckylotptd (DOT) <mailto:luckylot% 40ptd.net> net>

@ <mailto:Autism- Mercury%40g roups.com>

groups. com

Sent: Thu, February 4, 2010 1:02:12 PM

Subject: [ ] Re: Anyone ever get Sacc B as a dysbiosis on stool

test?

This is because it contains the L. Rhamnosus and L. Plantarum strains, so

technically, you could use any probiotic that contains those. This product

DOES contain the strep strain though and that has proven to be problematic

for viral kids, so watch that. WE avoid that like the plague.

> > >

> > > The culturelle(L. GG)  fights clostridia the other probiotic that

fights clostidia is L.Plantrum. My son had c -diff which was cleared

with antibiotic. But the antibiotic seem to cause lots of sensory and

adhd.  I suspect my son has a problem with clostridia due to

the c diff. We found the L. Plantrum created constipation we are now

using the cultrurelle probiotics for kids and he seems to be ok on the

constipation front. We are also using attune candy bars(6 x yogurt) and

candidse for yeast.ÂÂ

> > >

> > > I am interested if your son is has clostridia , what are some of the

behavior issues you are dealing with....wondering if they are like my sons?

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> > > PWC

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> > > From: G <luckylot@ .>

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> > > Sent: Sat, January 30, 2010 9:02:28 PM

> > > Subject: [ ] Anyone ever get Sacc B as a dysbiosis on

stool test?

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> > > I am baffled by our most recent stool test for our four year old. The

only " dysbiosis " noted was the yeast, Saccharomyces Boulardii! We have been

using New Beginnings Probiotic Support which, in addition to a broad

spectrum probiotic (18 billion CFU per cap), contains 2 billion Sacc B. We

were giving 2-3 of these at night. Clostridium spp. did also show up as a +2

out of a possible +4, but it is not the C. Diff. strain, so we still don't

know which it is since the standard microbiology stool test doesn't look for

other strains.

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> > > Anyway, our DAN! suggested backing off the Sacc. B. for a while and

Doctor's Data (who did the test) thought it showed up, because it was just

too high. No other yeast or bacteria showed up, although he did have an

imbalance of hymolytic e.coli and hemolytic strep, but not dysbiotic. I am

wondering, if the Sacc. B. prevented these and the clostridia from getting

worse, but I don't know how I would know that. His stools are perfect, his

mood swings are still there, but not nearly as bad as they used to

be....what if backing off allows the clostridia to overgrow again? Since I

stopped the Sacc. B. the only probiotic he is getting now is 6 billion

Lactobacilis (Culturelle) until the order I placed for Custom Probiotics

arrives. His stool test showed no growth for any of the Lactobacilis

strains...even though I give him tens of billions of them nightly. So could

the Sacc. B. be responsible for taking up too much space, not allowing it to

grow or is

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> > > else going on? I am just so confused since this strain of probiotic is

pushed as a non-pathogenic yeast, helpful in addressing intestinal

imbalances, yet Doctor's Data considers it dysbiotic... should I continue it

at lower doses....could it really be dysbiotic? Help, I'm lost and don't

want to reverse the progress we have seen.

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[Guest guest]

I get dilated pupils when my PTSD gets activated....my son has dilated

pupils as well and I believe it has to do with the limbic system always on

alarm (fight/flight response).....I place my hand on the back of his neck

and it really seems to help.....I have been doing this for the past 6 mo and

he has made the most progress since....

ANN

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From: [mailto: ]

On Behalf Of Kathy

Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 11:47 AM

Subject: [ ] Re: Anyone ever get Sacc B as a dysbiosis on stool

test?

Liz,

Thanks a lot. I'll try making the kefir & the zinc. I'll try both. He's

high functioning at 11 we're behind most on chelation. Been on diet for

years. He tested positive with a parasite in Jan. We don't know what kind.

Explained the tests are hard to get a definitive result on. Went to a good

alternative that used EAV testing. We're taking care of that 1st.

His pupils are dilated all the time. That shows me metals.

Kat

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From: Liz <elizabethsoliday@ <mailto:elizabethsoliday%40>

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Subject: [ ] ] Re: Anyone ever get Sacc B as a dysbiosis on

stool test?

@ <mailto: %40>

Date: Monday, February 8, 2010, 1:15 PM

If he is a picky eater and needs to gain weight, you should try putting

liquid zinc in his drinks. You can get it here: www.kornax.com If you cannot

smell or taste your food, it is less appealing to you. He may be using zinc

to fight infections in his body and doesn't have enough of it for his

sensory needs. In that case I would also go heavy on the antioxidants,

however you can get them in him.

You are doing fine using the coconut oil on the french fries. Also try

making coconut kefir and putting it in smoothies for probiotics. I use about

a cup of blueberries, 1/2 banana, 1/2 cup kefir, and cover the mixture with

water (to about 1 inch over it). I think it's enough for about 3 small cups,

my kids and I drink it almost every day. Maybe that will work for him, then

again, maybe he needs the zinc first before he is willing!!

Liz

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after a few mos. Caused digestion issues for him. We react bad to most

citrus though.

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> > I don't understand Sacc. B, it has yeast. So only those could use if

their yeast was in check?

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started this in the last couple week. But the constipation started when on

probiotics for 2 months no candidese at that time. I am a little

confused...you think the probiotics made the yeast worse?

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[Guest guest]

That is great. I like the idea of using a probiotic to help the constipation

rather then something else because it is only when he is on probiotics that he

has this problem.  Also, jessica stoped using sacc b , that was the orginal

post because it showed up as dysbiosis....so she stopped using it.  Ann what do

you think?  Also, jessica can u help me understand how giving this probiotic

turned into dysbiosis?

PWC

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From: Ann Schimka <aschimka@...>

Sent: Mon, February 8, 2010 7:19:24 PM

Subject: RE: [ ] Re: Anyone ever get Sacc B as a dysbiosis on stool

test?

 

If I give him too much, he has the runs....I think it helps with the

constipation since it kills clostridia and it is the clostridia that may be

causing the constipation. ...

I use mag citrate too!!!

_____

From: [mailto: ]

On Behalf Of Concerned Parent

Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 6:38 AM

Subject: Re: [ ] Re: Anyone ever get Sacc B as a dysbiosis on

stool test?

Ann,

Does that help with the constipation?

PWC

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From: Ann Schimka <aschimkasan (DOT) <mailto:aschimka% 40san.rr. com> rr.com>

@ <mailto:Autism- Mercury%40g roups.com>

groups. com

Sent: Sun, February 7, 2010 6:53:59 PM

Subject: RE: [ ] Re: Anyone ever get Sacc B as a dysbiosis on

stool test?

You may need to try some Sac B....I am using Nutricology from amazon....very

cheap!!! I only give my son a few granules at a time 2x/day and increase it

very slowly....it kills the bacteria!!!!

ANN

_____

From: [mailto:Autism- Mercury@ groups.

com]

On Behalf Of Concerned Parent

Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 6:30 AM

Subject: Re: [ ] Re: Anyone ever get Sacc B as a dysbiosis on

stool test?

,

One more question. My son has the clostridia but I am finding the L.

Plantarum and L.GG(cullelte) is constipating him...any ideas? Did you run

into this...maybe I am not giving him enough. He is six and on the smaller

side for his age...L. Plantarum 500 mill and for the L.GG the most was 3

billion(kids version).. Appreciate any feed back, as I know he is better

mood on the probiotics but I can't have him constipated.

PWC

____________ _________ _________ __

From: G <luckylotptd (DOT) <mailto:luckylot% 40ptd.net> net>

@ <mailto:Autism- Mercury%40g roups.com>

groups. com

Sent: Thu, February 4, 2010 1:02:12 PM

Subject: [ ] Re: Anyone ever get Sacc B as a dysbiosis on stool

test?

This is because it contains the L. Rhamnosus and L. Plantarum strains, so

technically, you could use any probiotic that contains those. This product

DOES contain the strep strain though and that has proven to be problematic

for viral kids, so watch that. WE avoid that like the plague.

> > >

> > > The culturelle(L. GG)  fights clostridia the other probiotic that

fights clostidia is L.Plantrum. My son had c -diff which was

cleared

with antibiotic. But the antibiotic seem to cause lots of sensory and

adhd.  I suspect my son has a problem with

clostridia due to

the c diff. We found the L. Plantrum created constipation we are

now

using the cultrurelle probiotics for kids and he seems to be ok on the

constipation front. We are also using attune candy bars(6 x yogurt) and

candidse for yeast.ÂÂ

> > >

> > > I am interested if your son is has clostridia , what are some of the

behavior issues you are dealing with....wondering if they are like my sons?

> > >

> > >

> > > PWC

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > From: G <luckylot@ .>

> > >

> > > Sent: Sat, January 30, 2010 9:02:28 PM

> > > Subject: [ ] Anyone ever get Sacc B as a dysbiosis on

stool test?

> > >

> > > ÂÂ

> > > I am baffled by our most recent stool test for our four year old. The

only " dysbiosis " noted was the yeast, Saccharomyces Boulardii! We have been

using New Beginnings Probiotic Support which, in addition to a broad

spectrum probiotic (18 billion CFU per cap), contains 2 billion Sacc B. We

were giving 2-3 of these at night. Clostridium spp. did also show up as a +2

out of a possible +4, but it is not the C. Diff. strain, so we still don't

know which it is since the standard microbiology stool test doesn't look for

other strains.

> > >

> > > Anyway, our DAN! suggested backing off the Sacc. B. for a while and

Doctor's Data (who did the test) thought it showed up, because it was just

too high. No other yeast or bacteria showed up, although he did have an

imbalance of hymolytic e.coli and hemolytic strep, but not dysbiotic. I am

wondering, if the Sacc. B. prevented these and the clostridia from getting

worse, but I don't know how I would know that. His stools are perfect, his

mood swings are still there, but not nearly as bad as they used to

be....what if backing off allows the clostridia to overgrow again? Since I

stopped the Sacc. B. the only probiotic he is getting now is 6 billion

Lactobacilis (Culturelle) until the order I placed for Custom Probiotics

arrives. His stool test showed no growth for any of the Lactobacilis

strains...even though I give him tens of billions of them nightly. So could

the Sacc. B. be responsible for taking up too much space, not allowing it to

grow or is

> > something

> > > else going on? I am just so confused since this strain of probiotic is

pushed as a non-pathogenic yeast, helpful in addressing intestinal

imbalances, yet Doctor's Data considers it dysbiotic... should I continue it

at lower doses....could it really be dysbiotic? Help, I'm lost and don't

want to reverse the progress we have seen.

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[Guest guest]

phew...it was the bug ...I think. My daughter got it last night and she did not

have any GSE.

Thanks

PWC

________________________________

From: G <luckylot@...>

Sent: Mon, February 8, 2010 11:35:26 AM

Subject: [ ] Re: Anyone ever get Sacc B as a dysbiosis on stool

test?

 

That sounds like severe die off from the GSE. Four drops is a lot to start with,

most people start at one drop and work up slowly as it is tolerated. A friend of

mine and my children all had that same reaction in our kids (three kids) when we

started treating for yeast aggressively. It could be a bug, because I know some

crazy bugs are going around right now, both of my kids had it this past week,

but I also know that starting too high with the GSE can cause major die off and

vomiting can be part of that. Try backing off and starting slowly with the GSE

and yes, keep the probiotics high at the end of the day. Sacc B is a good choice

for bacteria.

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> > > > > > > I am interested if your son is has clostridia , what are some of

the behavior issues you are dealing with....wondering if they are like my sons?

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> > > > > > > From: G <luckylot@ .>

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sent: Sat, January 30, 2010 9:02:28 PM

> > > > > > > Subject: [ ] Anyone ever get Sacc B as a dysbiosis on

stool test?

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> > > > > > > I am baffled by our most recent stool test for our four year old.

The only " dysbiosis " noted was the yeast, Saccharomyces Boulardii! We have been

using New Beginnings Probiotic Support which, in addition to a broad spectrum

probiotic (18 billion CFU per cap), contains 2 billion Sacc B. We were giving

2-3 of these at night. Clostridium spp. did also show up as a +2 out of a

possible +4, but it is not the C. Diff. strain, so we still don't know which it

is since the standard microbiology stool test doesn't look for other strains.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Anyway, our DAN! suggested backing off the Sacc. B. for a while

and Doctor's Data (who did the test) thought it showed up, because it was just

too high. No other yeast or bacteria showed up, although he did have an

imbalance of hymolytic e.coli and hemolytic strep, but not dysbiotic. I am

wondering, if the Sacc. B. prevented these and the clostridia from getting

worse, but I don't know how I would know that. His stools are perfect, his mood

swings are still there, but not nearly as bad as they used to be....what if

backing off allows the clostridia to overgrow again? Since I stopped the Sacc.

B. the only probiotic he is getting now is 6 billion Lactobacilis (Culturelle)

until the order I placed for Custom Probiotics arrives. His stool test showed no

growth for any of the Lactobacilis strains...even though I give him tens of

billions of them nightly. So could the Sacc. B. be responsible for taking up too

much space, not allowing it to grow or

> is

> > > > > > something

> > > > > > > else going on? I am just so confused since this strain of

probiotic is pushed as a non-pathogenic yeast, helpful in addressing intestinal

imbalances, yet Doctor's Data considers it dysbiotic... should I continue it at

lower doses....could it really be dysbiotic? Help, I'm lost and don't want to

reverse the progress we have seen.

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[Guest guest]

I have added back just 2 billion of the Sacc B at night. We were doing 4-6

billion previously. I don't want it to be so high that it shows up as a

dysbiotic yeast, but I want to use it to keep the clostridia under control,

which is what it appeared to be doing. The clostridia levels on his stool test

were a +2 out of a possible +4. Must be helping somewhat.

> > > >

> > > > The culturelle(L. GG)  fights clostridia the other probiotic that

> fights clostidia is L.Plantrum. My son had c -diff which was

cleared

> with antibiotic. But the antibiotic seem to cause lots of sensory and

> adhd.  I suspect my son has a problem with

clostridia due to

> the c diff. We found the L. Plantrum created constipation we are

now

> using the cultrurelle probiotics for kids and he seems to be ok on the

> constipation front. We are also using attune candy bars(6 x yogurt) and

> candidse for yeast.ÂÂ

> > > >

> > > > I am interested if your son is has clostridia , what are some of the

> behavior issues you are dealing with....wondering if they are like my sons?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > PWC

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > From: G <luckylot@ .>

> > > >

> > > > Sent: Sat, January 30, 2010 9:02:28 PM

> > > > Subject: [ ] Anyone ever get Sacc B as a dysbiosis on

> stool test?

> > > >

> > > > ÂÂ

> > > > I am baffled by our most recent stool test for our four year old. The

> only " dysbiosis " noted was the yeast, Saccharomyces Boulardii! We have been

> using New Beginnings Probiotic Support which, in addition to a broad

> spectrum probiotic (18 billion CFU per cap), contains 2 billion Sacc B. We

> were giving 2-3 of these at night. Clostridium spp. did also show up as a +2

> out of a possible +4, but it is not the C. Diff. strain, so we still don't

> know which it is since the standard microbiology stool test doesn't look for

> other strains.

> > > >

> > > > Anyway, our DAN! suggested backing off the Sacc. B. for a while and

> Doctor's Data (who did the test) thought it showed up, because it was just

> too high. No other yeast or bacteria showed up, although he did have an

> imbalance of hymolytic e.coli and hemolytic strep, but not dysbiotic. I am

> wondering, if the Sacc. B. prevented these and the clostridia from getting

> worse, but I don't know how I would know that. His stools are perfect, his

> mood swings are still there, but not nearly as bad as they used to

> be....what if backing off allows the clostridia to overgrow again? Since I

> stopped the Sacc. B. the only probiotic he is getting now is 6 billion

> Lactobacilis (Culturelle) until the order I placed for Custom Probiotics

> arrives. His stool test showed no growth for any of the Lactobacilis

> strains...even though I give him tens of billions of them nightly. So could

> the Sacc. B. be responsible for taking up too much space, not allowing it to

> grow or is

> > > something

> > > > else going on? I am just so confused since this strain of probiotic is

> pushed as a non-pathogenic yeast, helpful in addressing intestinal

> imbalances, yet Doctor's Data considers it dysbiotic... should I continue it

> at lower doses....could it really be dysbiotic? Help, I'm lost and don't

> want to reverse the progress we have seen.

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SB is for clostridia (marker of HPHPA on OAT)....My 7 yr old has dysbiosis

too and I am giving him L. Rhamasous (sp?) Culturelle....I found a good

multi-species probiotic from Mega Food....I take it too....

ANN

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Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 6:48 AM

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stool test?

That is great. I like the idea of using a probiotic to help the constipation

rather then something else because it is only when he is on probiotics that

he has this problem. Also, jessica stoped using sacc b , that was the

orginal post because it showed up as dysbiosis....so she stopped using it.

Ann what do you think? Also, jessica can u help me understand how giving

this probiotic turned into dysbiosis?

PWC

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Sent: Mon, February 8, 2010 7:19:24 PM

Subject: RE: [ ] Re: Anyone ever get Sacc B as a dysbiosis on

stool test?

If I give him too much, he has the runs....I think it helps with the

constipation since it kills clostridia and it is the clostridia that may be

causing the constipation. ...

I use mag citrate too!!!

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Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 6:38 AM

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Ann,

Does that help with the constipation?

PWC

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Sent: Sun, February 7, 2010 6:53:59 PM

Subject: RE: [ ] Re: Anyone ever get Sacc B as a dysbiosis on

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You may need to try some Sac B....I am using Nutricology from amazon....very

cheap!!! I only give my son a few granules at a time 2x/day and increase it

very slowly....it kills the bacteria!!!!

ANN

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Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 6:30 AM

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,

One more question. My son has the clostridia but I am finding the L.

Plantarum and L.GG(cullelte) is constipating him...any ideas? Did you run

into this...maybe I am not giving him enough. He is six and on the smaller

side for his age...L. Plantarum 500 mill and for the L.GG the most was 3

billion(kids version).. Appreciate any feed back, as I know he is better

mood on the probiotics but I can't have him constipated.

PWC

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Sent: Thu, February 4, 2010 1:02:12 PM

Subject: [ ] Re: Anyone ever get Sacc B as a dysbiosis on stool

test?

This is because it contains the L. Rhamnosus and L. Plantarum strains, so

technically, you could use any probiotic that contains those. This product

DOES contain the strep strain though and that has proven to be problematic

for viral kids, so watch that. WE avoid that like the plague.

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> > > The culturelle(L. GG)  fights clostridia the other probiotic that

fights clostidia is L.Plantrum. My son had c -diff which was cleared

with antibiotic. But the antibiotic seem to cause lots of sensory and

adhd.  I suspect my son has a problem with clostridia due to

the c diff. We found the L. Plantrum created constipation we are now

using the cultrurelle probiotics for kids and he seems to be ok on the

constipation front. We are also using attune candy bars(6 x yogurt) and

candidse for yeast.ÂÂ

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> > > I am interested if your son is has clostridia , what are some of the

behavior issues you are dealing with....wondering if they are like my sons?

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> > > Subject: [ ] Anyone ever get Sacc B as a dysbiosis on

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> > > I am baffled by our most recent stool test for our four year old. The

only " dysbiosis " noted was the yeast, Saccharomyces Boulardii! We have been

using New Beginnings Probiotic Support which, in addition to a broad

spectrum probiotic (18 billion CFU per cap), contains 2 billion Sacc B. We

were giving 2-3 of these at night. Clostridium spp. did also show up as a +2

out of a possible +4, but it is not the C. Diff. strain, so we still don't

know which it is since the standard microbiology stool test doesn't look for

other strains.

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> > > Anyway, our DAN! suggested backing off the Sacc. B. for a while and

Doctor's Data (who did the test) thought it showed up, because it was just

too high. No other yeast or bacteria showed up, although he did have an

imbalance of hymolytic e.coli and hemolytic strep, but not dysbiotic. I am

wondering, if the Sacc. B. prevented these and the clostridia from getting

worse, but I don't know how I would know that. His stools are perfect, his

mood swings are still there, but not nearly as bad as they used to

be....what if backing off allows the clostridia to overgrow again? Since I

stopped the Sacc. B. the only probiotic he is getting now is 6 billion

Lactobacilis (Culturelle) until the order I placed for Custom Probiotics

arrives. His stool test showed no growth for any of the Lactobacilis

strains...even though I give him tens of billions of them nightly. So could

the Sacc. B. be responsible for taking up too much space, not allowing it to

grow or is

> > something

> > > else going on? I am just so confused since this strain of probiotic is

pushed as a non-pathogenic yeast, helpful in addressing intestinal

imbalances, yet Doctor's Data considers it dysbiotic... should I continue it

at lower doses....could it really be dysbiotic? Help, I'm lost and don't

want to reverse the progress we have seen.

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