Re: Questions After Round 1 DMSA/ALA

[Guest guest]

kareenk wrote:

>

> Thank you all for your support and guidance while during round 1.

>

> Is it " normal " to be tired after a round? His sleep was disrupted for

> 5 days. Or could be be due to something else?

>

> The verbal noises are getting a bit better. I speculate it's b/c I've

> lowered the dosage on some of the supplements

>

Why? What supps?

> (a lot were " new " given by our ND for the chelation). The supplements

> contain Biotin (hopefully that was sufficient for yeast control).

>

Probably not, unless they contain 10mg or more (usually multi's contain

mcgs not mgs)

>

> According to our homeopath, the verbal noises are part of the stims

> getting worse ( " normal " while chelating and gets better as the metals

> come out) and just part of detox.

>

> His nasal allergies (post nasal drip) has been worse. Guessing that's

> part of the detoxing too?

>

Most likely yeast.

>

> Asthma flared a bit so taking a week to let his body recover before

> going into round 2.

>

> Thanks again.

> Kareen

>

>

[Guest guest]

My one 12yo dd (born at 26 wks, very small, doesn't like to eat), responded with

big-time " I'm TIRED " when we initially started her on a very good

vitamin/mineral supplementation. It took months for her to adapt to that. When

we started chelation (we just finished round 11), the " I'm TIRED " came back

big-time again. We keep trying to keep the supplements coming through-out the

day, and now we only see that rarely. I think it's how her body responds to

therapeutic correction. Chelation is the first thing we've tried that is

helping her attention and extreme irritability to sounds (we spent $1,500 on AIT

which just didn't get to the foundation of the problem like chelation is). She

had other " on the spectrum " behaviors, too, which are disappearing.

>

> Thank you all for your support and guidance while during round 1.

>

> Is it " normal " to be tired after a round? His sleep was disrupted for 5 days.

Or could be be due to something else?

>

> The verbal noises are getting a bit better. I speculate it's b/c I've lowered

the dosage on some of the supplements (a lot were " new " given by our ND for the

chelation). The supplements contain Biotin (hopefully that was sufficient for

yeast control).

>

> According to our homeopath, the verbal noises are part of the stims getting

worse ( " normal " while chelating and gets better as the metals come out) and just

part of detox.

>

> His nasal allergies (post nasal drip) has been worse. Guessing that's part of

the detoxing too?

>

> Asthma flared a bit so taking a week to let his body recover before going into

round 2.

>

> Thanks again.

> Kareen

>

[Guest guest]

> According to our homeopath, the verbal noises are part of the stims getting

worse ( " normal " while chelating and gets better as the metals come out) and just

part of detox.

> His nasal allergies (post nasal drip) has been worse. Guessing that's part of

the detoxing too?

> Asthma flared a bit so taking a week to let his body recover before going into

round 2.

All of these symptoms were caused by yeast overgrowth here.

Dana

[Guest guest]

Thanks, . Learned something new again. mcg vs mg. My son was only

getting 440 mcg of Biotin.

Here's what the doc prescribed: Some were given at lower dose due to

practicality / adjusting lipoic acid to AC protocol. Multi vitamin was in a pea

powder (supposed to serve like a protein drink) which my guy could not take so

had to put in caps (almost 100 caps per day). Actually given closer to 50 caps

per day.

From previous experience - glycine and zinc increased the verbal noises. Also

decreased some of the dosage due to that and the verbal sounds got better.

From Andy's book and this board, understand that oral glutathione, copper are

not recommended.

In addition to these, my son also gets a nebulized gluatathione during chelation

and homeopathic remedy daily.

Sorry for the long post!

Daily Unit Replenish Unit

A 12,167 IU -

C 5,080 mg -

D3 250 IU -

E 30 IU -

d-gamma tocopherol 40 mg -

d-delta tocopherol 17 mg -

d-alpha tocopherol 9 mg -

d-beta tocopherol 1 mg -

B1 4 mg -

B2 10 mg -

B3 26 mg -

B6 25 mg -

Folates 100 mcg -

B12 24 mcg -

Biotin 440 mcg -

Pantothenic Acid 35 mg -

Calcium 240 mg 767 mg

Iron 2 mg -

Phosphorous 200 mg -

Iodine 50 mcg 200 mcg

Magnesium 336 mg 767 mg

Zinc 7 mg 27 mg

Selenium 250 mcg 200 mcg

Copper 1 mg 3 mg

Manganese 1 mg 3 mg

Chromium 50 mcg 267 mcg

Molybdenum 50 mcg 200 mcg

Glycine 1,833 mg -

L-Threonine 550 mg -

L-Lysine 550 mg -

L-Cysteine 250 mg -

Calcium D-Glucarate 383 mg -

Quercetin 200 mg -

Taurine 2,500 mg -

Milk Thistle 1,133 mg -

Choline 100 mg -

DL-Methionine 433 mg -

Inositol 433 mg -

NAC 1,067 mg -

MSM 367 mg -

Sodium Sulfate 100 mg -

Green tea 50 mg -

Celandine 50 mg -

Dandelion root 117 mg -

Fringe Tree Bark 117 mg -

L-Glutathione 158 mg -

Vanadium 50 mg 133 mcg

Glutamine 333 mg -

Alpha Ketoglutarate 133 mg -

Ornithine 133 mg -

Potassium - - 200 mg

Boron - - 3 mg

Lecithin (Soy) 133 mg -

Ox Bile 100 mg -

Greater Celadine 67 mg -

Artichoke 67 mg -

Beet extract 33 mg -

Lipoic Acid 800 mg - *Prescribed but given AC dose

Acetyl L-Carnitine 500 mg -

GPC 200 mg -

Phosphatidylserine 120 mg -

GingkoSelect 90 mg -

Q10 100 mg

Moxxor (EPA) 1,200 mg

> >

> > Thank you all for your support and guidance while during round 1.

> >

> > Is it " normal " to be tired after a round? His sleep was disrupted for

> > 5 days. Or could be be due to something else?

> >

> > The verbal noises are getting a bit better. I speculate it's b/c I've

> > lowered the dosage on some of the supplements

> >

> Why? What supps?

>

> > (a lot were " new " given by our ND for the chelation). The supplements

> > contain Biotin (hopefully that was sufficient for yeast control).

> >

> Probably not, unless they contain 10mg or more (usually multi's contain

> mcgs not mgs)

>

> >

> > According to our homeopath, the verbal noises are part of the stims

> > getting worse ( " normal " while chelating and gets better as the metals

> > come out) and just part of detox.

> >

> > His nasal allergies (post nasal drip) has been worse. Guessing that's

> > part of the detoxing too?

> >

>

> Most likely yeast.

>

>

>

>

> >

> > Asthma flared a bit so taking a week to let his body recover before

> > going into round 2.

> >

> > Thanks again.

> > Kareen

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

,

Thank you for giving us hope and sharing your experience! We've been through

years of therapy and still need to learn about biomeds / chelation so always

concerned if we are doing it the right way (good reaction vs bad reaction).

You've put our mind at ease knowing it's not such a bad thing to be tired.

Kareen

> >

> > Thank you all for your support and guidance while during round 1.

> >

> > Is it " normal " to be tired after a round? His sleep was disrupted for 5

days. Or could be be due to something else?

> >

> > The verbal noises are getting a bit better. I speculate it's b/c I've

lowered the dosage on some of the supplements (a lot were " new " given by our ND

for the chelation). The supplements contain Biotin (hopefully that was

sufficient for yeast control).

> >

> > According to our homeopath, the verbal noises are part of the stims getting

worse ( " normal " while chelating and gets better as the metals come out) and just

part of detox.

> >

> > His nasal allergies (post nasal drip) has been worse. Guessing that's part

of the detoxing too?

> >

> > Asthma flared a bit so taking a week to let his body recover before going

into round 2.

> >

> > Thanks again.

> > Kareen

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks,Dana! We'll have to up the ante on yeast.

Just been maintaining with probiotics. Will get higher dose biotin. He can't

do GSE due to citrus allergy.

> > According to our homeopath, the verbal noises are part of the stims getting

worse ( " normal " while chelating and gets better as the metals come out) and just

part of detox.

> > His nasal allergies (post nasal drip) has been worse. Guessing that's part

of the detoxing too?

> > Asthma flared a bit so taking a week to let his body recover before going

into round 2.

>

>

> All of these symptoms were caused by yeast overgrowth here.

>

> Dana

>

[Guest guest]

kareenk wrote:

>

> Thanks, . Learned something new again. mcg vs mg. My son was

> only getting 440 mcg of Biotin.

>

> Here's what the doc prescribed: Some were given at lower dose due to

> practicality / adjusting lipoic acid to AC protocol. Multi vitamin was

> in a pea powder (supposed to serve like a protein drink) which my guy

> could not take so had to put in caps (almost 100 caps per day).

> Actually given closer to 50 caps per day.

>

Wow. That's a lot of pills. Can I suggest you find the equivalent

supplements in commercially available formulations to reduce the number

of pills?

>

> >From previous experience - glycine and zinc increased the verbal

> noises. Also decreased some of the dosage due to that and the verbal

> sounds got better.

>

> >From Andy's book and this board, understand that oral glutathione,

> copper are not recommended.

>

> In addition to these, my son also gets a nebulized gluatathione during

> chelation and homeopathic remedy daily.

>

> Sorry for the long post!

>

> Daily Unit Replenish Unit

>

What's a " replenish unit " ?

> A 12,167 IU -

> C 5,080 mg -

> D3 250 IU -

> E 30 IU -

>

This is very little E

> d-gamma tocopherol 40 mg -

> d-delta tocopherol 17 mg -

> d-alpha tocopherol 9 mg -

> d-beta tocopherol 1 mg -

> B1 4 mg -

> B2 10 mg -

> B3 26 mg -

> B6 25 mg -

> Folates 100 mcg -

> B12 24 mcg -

> Biotin 440 mcg -

> Pantothenic Acid 35 mg -

> Calcium 240 mg 767 mg

> Iron 2 mg -

>

Probably should not be taking iron unless ferritin levels indicate to.

> Phosphorous 200 mg -

> Iodine 50 mcg 200 mcg

> Magnesium 336 mg 767 mg

> Zinc 7 mg 27 mg

> Selenium 250 mcg 200 mcg

> Copper 1 mg 3 mg

>

Copper should not be supplemented with mercury present

> Manganese 1 mg 3 mg

> Chromium 50 mcg 267 mcg

> Molybdenum 50 mcg 200 mcg '

>

Need more probably

> Glycine 1,833 mg -

> L-Threonine 550 mg -

> L-Lysine 550 mg -

> L-Cysteine 250 mg -

> Calcium D-Glucarate 383 mg -

> Quercetin 200 mg -

> Taurine 2,500 mg -

> Milk Thistle 1,133 mg -

> Choline 100 mg -

> DL-Methionine 433 mg -

> Inositol 433 mg -

> NAC 1,067 mg -

> MSM 367 mg -

> Sodium Sulfate 100 mg -

> Green tea 50 mg -

> Celandine 50 mg -

> Dandelion root 117 mg -

> Fringe Tree Bark 117 mg -

> L-Glutathione 158 mg -

>

You've covered this.

> Vanadium 50 mg 133 mcg

> Glutamine 333 mg -

> Alpha Ketoglutarate 133 mg -

> Ornithine 133 mg -

> Potassium - - 200 mg

> Boron - - 3 mg

> Lecithin (Soy) 133 mg -

> Ox Bile 100 mg -

> Greater Celadine 67 mg -

> Artichoke 67 mg -

> Beet extract 33 mg -

>

> Lipoic Acid 800 mg - *Prescribed but given AC dose

> Acetyl L-Carnitine 500 mg -

> GPC 200 mg -

> Phosphatidylserine 120 mg -

> GingkoSelect 90 mg -

> Q10 100 mg

> Moxxor (EPA) 1,200 mg

>

Not seeing probiotics or L-arginine (for bacterial).

There's some stuff that isn't really obviously necessary or known to me,

too... I question the MSM as well...

>

>

> > >

> > > Thank you all for your support and guidance while during round 1.

> > >

> > > Is it " normal " to be tired after a round? His sleep was disrupted for

> > > 5 days. Or could be be due to something else?

> > >

> > > The verbal noises are getting a bit better. I speculate it's b/c I've

> > > lowered the dosage on some of the supplements

> > >

> > Why? What supps?

> >

> > > (a lot were " new " given by our ND for the chelation). The supplements

> > > contain Biotin (hopefully that was sufficient for yeast control).

> > >

> > Probably not, unless they contain 10mg or more (usually multi's contain

> > mcgs not mgs)

> >

> > >

> > > According to our homeopath, the verbal noises are part of the stims

> > > getting worse ( " normal " while chelating and gets better as the metals

> > > come out) and just part of detox.

> > >

> > > His nasal allergies (post nasal drip) has been worse. Guessing that's

> > > part of the detoxing too?

> > >

> >

> > Most likely yeast.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > >

> > > Asthma flared a bit so taking a week to let his body recover before

> > > going into round 2.

> > >

> > > Thanks again.

> > > Kareen

> > >

> > >

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

> Thanks,Dana! We'll have to up the ante on yeast.

> Just been maintaining with probiotics. Will get higher dose biotin. He can't

do GSE due to citrus allergy.

You can try OoO or caprylic acid or one of the others, if the probiotics and

biotin are not sufficient.

Dana

[Guest guest]

> >

> > Daily Unit Replenish Unit

> >

>

> What's a " replenish unit " ?

Sorry -bad formatting on my part.

Daily - supps given daily

Unit - unit of measurement (mg, IU, mcg)

Replenish - supps given during replenishing / off period (first round we did 5

days on, 9 days off so the 9 days is " replenish " )

This is very little E

Would E be an issue if there is a severe allergy to soy since E is usually

derived form soy?

Thank you! Will continue to study and re-evaluate the supplements.

[Guest guest]

kareenk wrote:

>

> > >

> > > Daily Unit Replenish Unit

> > >

> >

> > What's a " replenish unit " ?

>

> Sorry -bad formatting on my part.

> Daily - supps given daily

> Unit - unit of measurement (mg, IU, mcg)

> Replenish - supps given during replenishing / off period (first round

> we did 5 days on, 9 days off so the 9 days is " replenish " )

>

This is unnecessarily complicated. You can give the same amount off and

on rounds.

>

> This is very little E

>

> Would E be an issue if there is a severe allergy to soy since E is

> usually derived form soy?

>

If there is an allergy to soy, use non-soy-sourced E such as Unique E.

>

> Thank you! Will continue to study and re-evaluate the supplements.

>

>