Re: Curebie (Anti-Cure) Social Problem

[Guest guest]

There are probably other forums where that topic would fit better. Many here

understand that the underlying health issues (toxic metals, digestive problems,

etc.) which cause/accompany autism spectrum disorders have a high likelihood of

causing additional problems (like MS, Alzheimer's, etc) if not dealt with in a

timely manner.

S S

Curebie (Anti-Cure) Social Problem

Posted by: " " nathan@... humboldtcandles

Sat Jul 10, 2010 9:12 pm (PDT)

I was wondering if it's ok to talk about cure vs. anti-cure autism social

problems here. The ideas put forth on this forum I have come to understand are

not liked by some. However despite having an ASD myself I have not taken a side

and when I try to think openly to figure things out I am censored in a anti-cure

forum. I think of social problems as science problems in part.

Can anyone share their opinion?

When I first posted here as an autism self-advocate in introduction one person

called me an ASPIE and an ASAN. Please know my perceptions of these things were

at first not even aware of ASAN and never quite liking titling myself as

anything though others have the freedom to.

Young

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

You do realize you are on a site that is dedicated to a cure, really. That

brings with it a group of people who do not wish to be told they need to accept

their children's Autism and move on, and focusing on the 'anti-cure' will always

bring up conflict.

Honestly, I guess it all depends on what you wish to talk about. The last few

topics quickly moved to judgements and disrespect on BOTH sides (you included,

yes.).

I'm not sure people here want to spend time debating cure/no cure. I guess

others will chime in.

There is benefit in discussing social problems, since we continue to live out

there in society while fighting Autism, and some of us might never enjoy

recovery. But, it needs to be approached as finding solutions to navigating the

non-autistic world and not focused on the cure/anti-cure debate.

Does that help? I don't wish to speak for everyone else.

Pam

>

> I was wondering if it's ok to talk about cure vs. anti-cure autism social

problems here. The ideas put forth on this forum I have come to understand are

not liked by some. However despite having an ASD myself I have not taken a side

and when I try to think openly to figure things out I am censored in a anti-cure

forum. I think of social problems as science problems in part.

>

> Can anyone share their opinion?

>

> When I first posted here as an autism self-advocate in introduction one person

called me an ASPIE and an ASAN. Please know my perceptions of these things were

at first not even aware of ASAN and never quite liking titling myself as

anything though others have the freedom to.

>

> Young

>

[Guest guest]

I don't find it surprising that you were censored on the Anti-Cure group for

wanting to ask questions and express your views. I like this group because it

is " loosely " moderated and so there is a variety of good discussion.

I'm not sure who referred to you as an Aspie or ASAN (I don't know what that

means either) but that wasn't nice.

One thing I find pretty interesting is that I know a lot of mothers (myself

included) who have started healing themselves after gaining knowledge on healing

their children. The medical professionals have done a poor job on educating the

public on how to take care of themselves. I admit, I did not know how to eat,

didn't know what my physical symptoms meant, I did not know what health was

until I started on this journey to heal my child.

You may hear the anti-cure people tell you that we want our children to recover

for our convenience or because we want our kids to be perfect or that we don't

accept their personality. This is far from the truth. The most common reason I

have heard people express for wanting recovery is that they want their children

to be happy, plain and simple. And in most aspects, being healthy and being

happy go hand-in-hand.

I know two things that have made me more happy are having more impulse control

and more empathy.

Take care,

Liz

> >

> > I was wondering if it's ok to talk about cure vs. anti-cure autism social

problems here. The ideas put forth on this forum I have come to understand are

not liked by some. However despite having an ASD myself I have not taken a side

and when I try to think openly to figure things out I am censored in a anti-cure

forum. I think of social problems as science problems in part.

> >

> > Can anyone share their opinion?

> >

> > When I first posted here as an autism self-advocate in introduction one

person called me an ASPIE and an ASAN. Please know my perceptions of these

things were at first not even aware of ASAN and never quite liking titling

myself as anything though others have the freedom to.

> >

> > Young

> >

>

[Guest guest]

is " Aspie " derogatory?

> > >

> > > I was wondering if it's ok to talk about cure vs. anti-cure autism social

problems here. The ideas put forth on this forum I have come to understand are

not liked by some. However despite having an ASD myself I have not taken a side

and when I try to think openly to figure things out I am censored in a anti-cure

forum. I think of social problems as science problems in part.

> > >

> > > Can anyone share their opinion?

> > >

> > > When I first posted here as an autism self-advocate in introduction one

person called me an ASPIE and an ASAN. Please know my perceptions of these

things were at first not even aware of ASAN and never quite liking titling

myself as anything though others have the freedom to.

> > >

> > > Young

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I have to agree with Pam. I make no apologies for wanting my son to get

better. Where I have accepted the challenge I don't accept that he is okay

the way he is-he is in pain and it's my responsibility to help him feel

better.

I find that the anti-cure people get way too nasty. Yesterday on Mickie's

Youtube channel some idiot went as far as posting that CPS should take my

children away.

I am offended by people who think that we don't love our kids. There are so

many kids and people with autism that have been abandoned by their family.

We are still here, fighting every day to leave them with a better quality of

life.

I second Pam's question.....I thought ASPIE was a term of endearment

Zurama

On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 9:22 AM, Pamela H <phaselow@...> wrote:

>

>

> is " Aspie " derogatory?

>

>

>

> > > >

> > > > I was wondering if it's ok to talk about cure vs. anti-cure autism

> social problems here. The ideas put forth on this forum I have come to

> understand are not liked by some. However despite having an ASD myself I

> have not taken a side and when I try to think openly to figure things out I

> am censored in a anti-cure forum. I think of social problems as

> science problems in part.

> > > >

> > > > Can anyone share their opinion?

> > > >

> > > > When I first posted here as an autism self-advocate in introduction

> one person called me an ASPIE and an ASAN. Please know my perceptions of

> these things were at first not even aware of ASAN and never quite liking

> titling myself as anything though others have the freedom to.

> > > >

> > > > Young

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

>

>

--

Zurama

http://mickiesprogress.blogspot.com

http://autismoporinyeccion.blogspot.com

http://www.zurama.com

[Guest guest]

To some, yes Pam, not to me. Some people are very sensitive about being labeled

by their ailment, for example, calling a child " autistic " instead of " a child

with autism " . Of course, you can't please everybody.

> > > >

> > > > I was wondering if it's ok to talk about cure vs. anti-cure autism

social problems here. The ideas put forth on this forum I have come to

understand are not liked by some. However despite having an ASD myself I have

not taken a side and when I try to think openly to figure things out I am

censored in a anti-cure forum. I think of social problems as science

problems in part.

> > > >

> > > > Can anyone share their opinion?

> > > >

> > > > When I first posted here as an autism self-advocate in introduction one

person called me an ASPIE and an ASAN. Please know my perceptions of these

things were at first not even aware of ASAN and never quite liking titling

myself as anything though others have the freedom to.

> > > >

> > > > Young

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

For me personally.

I have autism but I don't want to be called autism (Autistic)

For other to say they have autism means something separate from themselves.

Ultimately I conclude it senseless and a waste of mental energy. I do not want

to experience life as my own choice being or even accepting or declining a

disorder or difference. I am me, society labeled but I get services for that

like support workers but it's not a culture or group to be member of. I do my

own thing and others can call themselves whatever they want, that's a human

right.

As I would be assumed aspie, autie or a person with autism that writes online

alot of things socially and politically have been assumed of me which are not

true because of other peoples advocacy.

Young

> >

> > is " Aspie " derogatory?

[Guest guest]

I felt the person was attacking my services and opportunity in life.

The idea of " cure " if very broad. Forcing differs from helping. I believe the

system where I am at can be consider curing but not forcing. The candles I make

and the other products are part of social service day program employment for

others. It's part of opportunity, even quality of life in gainful employment.

I'm not sure the person understood this.

Young

>

> Hi ,

>

> You do realize you are on a site that is dedicated to a cure, really. That

brings with it a group of people who do not wish to be told they need to accept

their children's Autism and move on, and focusing on the 'anti-cure' will always

bring up conflict.

>

> Honestly, I guess it all depends on what you wish to talk about. The last few

topics quickly moved to judgements and disrespect on BOTH sides (you included,

yes.).

>

> I'm not sure people here want to spend time debating cure/no cure. I guess

others will chime in.

>

> There is benefit in discussing social problems, since we continue to live out

there in society while fighting Autism, and some of us might never enjoy

recovery. But, it needs to be approached as finding solutions to navigating the

non-autistic world and not focused on the cure/anti-cure debate.

>

> Does that help? I don't wish to speak for everyone else.

>

> Pam

[Guest guest]

I hope this isn't taken the wrong way, but I'm just going to say it:

It can be difficult to debate with a person on the spectrum, or really anyone

who holds strong views about how to deal with the Autism Spectrum. Often, I

find that there is an inability to see another's point of view, and the rigid

belief that any other idea aside from ones own is wrong and in need of change.

The discussions become circular and unproductive, and then move on to mean when

both sides get frustrated. Way too difficult to keep this impersonal; perhaps

impossible. Afterall, this is about my child.

Toss in the false bravado given to us by the Internet... recipe for disaster!

I will try to stay out of it.

Pam

> >

> > Hi ,

> >

> > You do realize you are on a site that is dedicated to a cure, really. That

brings with it a group of people who do not wish to be told they need to accept

their children's Autism and move on, and focusing on the 'anti-cure' will always

bring up conflict.

> >

> > Honestly, I guess it all depends on what you wish to talk about. The last

few topics quickly moved to judgements and disrespect on BOTH sides (you

included, yes.).

> >

> > I'm not sure people here want to spend time debating cure/no cure. I guess

others will chime in.

> >

> > There is benefit in discussing social problems, since we continue to live

out there in society while fighting Autism, and some of us might never enjoy

recovery. But, it needs to be approached as finding solutions to navigating the

non-autistic world and not focused on the cure/anti-cure debate.

> >

> > Does that help? I don't wish to speak for everyone else.

> >

> > Pam

>

[Guest guest]

Yeah.

I think human rights allow for both helping and being as one is. So everyone has

a right to believe, do and succeed as much as possible. I think there are

extremes on both sides and some of which simply in the real world are impossible

or make personal choice even more difficult to achieve as what is universally

respected.

I have determined that it is a waste of time as well. If in offline world

someone tries to remove my human rights to help myself and those that want to

benefit from my public relations by choice the politics will then be offline. I

am fully prepared for it and have laws on my side and even the law firm

Protection & Advocacy at my disposal. Until then it's not really important and

hindering my productivity thinking about it.

Thanks for your time.

Young

> > >

> > > Hi ,

> > >

> > > You do realize you are on a site that is dedicated to a cure, really.

That brings with it a group of people who do not wish to be told they need to

accept their children's Autism and move on, and focusing on the 'anti-cure' will

always bring up conflict.

> > >

> > > Honestly, I guess it all depends on what you wish to talk about. The last

few topics quickly moved to judgements and disrespect on BOTH sides (you

included, yes.).

> > >

> > > I'm not sure people here want to spend time debating cure/no cure. I

guess others will chime in.

> > >

> > > There is benefit in discussing social problems, since we continue to live

out there in society while fighting Autism, and some of us might never enjoy

recovery. But, it needs to be approached as finding solutions to navigating the

non-autistic world and not focused on the cure/anti-cure debate.

> > >

> > > Does that help? I don't wish to speak for everyone else.

> > >

> > > Pam

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I am assuming *Aspie* is a nasty term for Asperger's. I have no clue what ASAN

is. Whoever said these things probably refers to other terms without taste as

well. Ignore it.

> > >

> > > I was wondering if it's ok to talk about cure vs. anti-cure autism social

problems here. The ideas put forth on this forum I have come to understand are

not liked by some. However despite having an ASD myself I have not taken a side

and when I try to think openly to figure things out I am censored in a anti-cure

forum. I think of social problems as science problems in part.

> > >

> > > Can anyone share their opinion?

> > >

> > > When I first posted here as an autism self-advocate in introduction one

person called me an ASPIE and an ASAN. Please know my perceptions of these

things were at first not even aware of ASAN and never quite liking titling

myself as anything though others have the freedom to.

> > >

> > > Young

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

To me, it is similar to saying " Jap " for a person who is Japanese.

> > > >

> > > > I was wondering if it's ok to talk about cure vs. anti-cure autism

social problems here. The ideas put forth on this forum I have come to

understand are not liked by some. However despite having an ASD myself I have

not taken a side and when I try to think openly to figure things out I am

censored in a anti-cure forum. I think of social problems as science

problems in part.

> > > >

> > > > Can anyone share their opinion?

> > > >

> > > > When I first posted here as an autism self-advocate in introduction one

person called me an ASPIE and an ASAN. Please know my perceptions of these

things were at first not even aware of ASAN and never quite liking titling

myself as anything though others have the freedom to.

> > > >

> > > > Young

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

You should always try to use *PEOPLE FIRST* language, which refers to the person

as a person first and foremost and their disability last (which does not define

who they are). Calling someone autistic makes reference to that being all that

they are, which is not true.

It is a matter of a person being educated versus a person being non-educated, as

to whether or not you use people-first language.

> > > > >

> > > > > I was wondering if it's ok to talk about cure vs. anti-cure autism

social problems here. The ideas put forth on this forum I have come to

understand are not liked by some. However despite having an ASD myself I have

not taken a side and when I try to think openly to figure things out I am

censored in a anti-cure forum. I think of social problems as science

problems in part.

> > > > >

> > > > > Can anyone share their opinion?

> > > > >

> > > > > When I first posted here as an autism self-advocate in introduction

one person called me an ASPIE and an ASAN. Please know my perceptions of these

things were at first not even aware of ASAN and never quite liking titling

myself as anything though others have the freedom to.

> > > > >

> > > > > Young

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

but it is what they call themselves, right? A person with Asperger Syndrome

calls themselves an Aspie. I see it everywhere. A person from Japan doesn't

call themselves a Jap.

I guess anything can be offensive to anyone at any time.

> > > > >

> > > > > I was wondering if it's ok to talk about cure vs. anti-cure autism

social problems here. The ideas put forth on this forum I have come to

understand are not liked by some. However despite having an ASD myself I have

not taken a side and when I try to think openly to figure things out I am

censored in a anti-cure forum. I think of social problems as science

problems in part.

> > > > >

> > > > > Can anyone share their opinion?

> > > > >

> > > > > When I first posted here as an autism self-advocate in introduction

one person called me an ASPIE and an ASAN. Please know my perceptions of these

things were at first not even aware of ASAN and never quite liking titling

myself as anything though others have the freedom to.

> > > > >

> > > > > Young

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

As long as the moderators allow it, I suppose you can post any " cure vs.

anti-cure " opinions you want.

Unless a post pertains to healing my child, I won't be reading it anyway.

My child was NOT autistic and was enrolled in regular school and preschool

activities until at age 4.5 he regressed after vaccines. As far as I'm

concerned: CASE CLOSED.

I came here because I was afraid my child would die.....and the doctors were

doing NOTHING.

It is not a " difference " to not be potty trained, to not sleep, to lose the

ability to speak, to hold a writing instrument, to dress oneself. To lose the

ability to digest food and lose weight with each passing day.

Those are disablitities, and in this case they are caused by ILLNESS/poisoning -

I don't care how it's presented, and I really don't care who thinks otherwise or

criticizes me for that opinion. Any adult that loses those abilities and we

assume they had a stroke or something, and they ARE considered disabled. PERIOD.

I'm here to get my son healed, so he can function as an independent self

sufficient adult some day. There is no one else to take care of him, so since I

figure I'm going to have to die someday, that is my goal: to heal my child. So

far he IS recovering. Is he still 'different'? Hell yeah! You can't go through

what he did and not have it affect you. And we live a different lifestyle, too.

Holistic and health minded. And he's got a crazy high IQ - so he IS different.

We embrace that. That is just who he is.....and has nothing to do with " autism " .

He was that way BEFORE he regressed.

" Anti-cure " ? Whatever, discuss it all you want. We are here as a group to

CURE/recover/heal our kids - don't expect to be welcomed warmly with 'anti-cure'

sentiments.

I've said it to friends and family, so I have no qualms about saying it again:

either help me to help my child or get out of the way.

That being said......I know the hell and torture of watching your child get

seriously ill. I see my child struggle and fight to re-learn simple tasks. If I

can help others to make the journey easier, I will and I do. If not for people

like Dana, Jan, , , Andy, etc..... my son would not be the happy

healthy boy he is today. I show my gratitude by reaching out to others.

>

> I was wondering if it's ok to talk about cure vs. anti-cure autism social

problems here. The ideas put forth on this forum I have come to understand are

not liked by some. However despite having an ASD myself I have not taken a side

and when I try to think openly to figure things out I am censored in a anti-cure

forum. I think of social problems as science problems in part.

>

> Can anyone share their opinion?

>

> When I first posted here as an autism self-advocate in introduction one person

called me an ASPIE and an ASAN. Please know my perceptions of these things were

at first not even aware of ASAN and never quite liking titling myself as

anything though others have the freedom to.

>

> Young

>

[Guest guest]

With all of the concerns you have experienced and have gone through I understand

your point of view and respect it. In defining someone as different instead of

what society can perceive has horrid dysfunction, burden to society and

otherwise for the sake of helping the person just think about self-esteem to.

This I don't think is anyones intention to make someone feel bad for being a

burden or disabled.

If someone is disabled (different) then being positive and making that part of

normal in his or her life I think is also important. The emotional self despite

all of the fear of how a child may end up need also be considered. This is the

idea of unconditional love and I suspect you to have considered this despite the

complex autism politics. There are true realities of disability but also there

is self-esteem.

I admire your dedication and I really don't challenge it. Thanks for the

discussion.

Young

> >

> > I was wondering if it's ok to talk about cure vs. anti-cure autism social

problems here. The ideas put forth on this forum I have come to understand are

not liked by some. However despite having an ASD myself I have not taken a side

and when I try to think openly to figure things out I am censored in a anti-cure

forum. I think of social problems as science problems in part.

> >

> > Can anyone share their opinion?

> >

> > When I first posted here as an autism self-advocate in introduction one

person called me an ASPIE and an ASAN. Please know my perceptions of these

things were at first not even aware of ASAN and never quite liking titling

myself as anything though others have the freedom to.

> >

> > Young

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I could not have said it better Pam

From: [mailto: ]

On Behalf Of Pamela H

Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2010 5:33 PM

Subject: [ ] Re: Curebie (Anti-Cure) Social Problem

I hope this isn't taken the wrong way, but I'm just going to say it:

It can be difficult to debate with a person on the spectrum, or really

anyone who holds strong views about how to deal with the Autism Spectrum.

Often, I find that there is an inability to see another's point of view, and

the rigid belief that any other idea aside from ones own is wrong and in

need of change. The discussions become circular and unproductive, and then

move on to mean when both sides get frustrated. Way too difficult to keep

this impersonal; perhaps impossible. Afterall, this is about my child.

Toss in the false bravado given to us by the Internet... recipe for

disaster!

I will try to stay out of it.

Pam

> >

> > Hi ,

> >

> > You do realize you are on a site that is dedicated to a cure, really.

That brings with it a group of people who do not wish to be told they need

to accept their children's Autism and move on, and focusing on the

'anti-cure' will always bring up conflict.

> >

> > Honestly, I guess it all depends on what you wish to talk about. The

last few topics quickly moved to judgements and disrespect on BOTH sides

(you included, yes.).

> >

> > I'm not sure people here want to spend time debating cure/no cure. I

guess others will chime in.

> >

> > There is benefit in discussing social problems, since we continue to

live out there in society while fighting Autism, and some of us might never

enjoy recovery. But, it needs to be approached as finding solutions to

navigating the non-autistic world and not focused on the cure/anti-cure

debate.

> >

> > Does that help? I don't wish to speak for everyone else.

> >

> > Pam

>

[Guest guest]

So let's save everyone time and sanity by discussing autism and mercury

From: [mailto: ]

On Behalf Of

Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2010 5:42 PM

Subject: [ ] Re: Curebie (Anti-Cure) Social Problem

Yeah.

I think human rights allow for both helping and being as one is. So everyone

has a right to believe, do and succeed as much as possible. I think there

are extremes on both sides and some of which simply in the real world are

impossible or make personal choice even more difficult to achieve as what is

universally respected.

I have determined that it is a waste of time as well. If in offline world

someone tries to remove my human rights to help myself and those that want

to benefit from my public relations by choice the politics will then be

offline. I am fully prepared for it and have laws on my side and even the

law firm Protection & Advocacy at my disposal. Until then it's not really

important and hindering my productivity thinking about it.

Thanks for your time.

Young

> > >

> > > Hi ,

> > >

> > > You do realize you are on a site that is dedicated to a cure, really.

That brings with it a group of people who do not wish to be told they need

to accept their children's Autism and move on, and focusing on the

'anti-cure' will always bring up conflict.

> > >

> > > Honestly, I guess it all depends on what you wish to talk about. The

last few topics quickly moved to judgements and disrespect on BOTH sides

(you included, yes.).

> > >

> > > I'm not sure people here want to spend time debating cure/no cure. I

guess others will chime in.

> > >

> > > There is benefit in discussing social problems, since we continue to

live out there in society while fighting Autism, and some of us might never

enjoy recovery. But, it needs to be approached as finding solutions to

navigating the non-autistic world and not focused on the cure/anti-cure

debate.

> > >

> > > Does that help? I don't wish to speak for everyone else.

> > >

> > > Pam

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I have all sorts of disabilities. Learning and physical, I have never once

felt that my disabilities defined me.. I define me.. I call myself dyslexic

all the time.. it is really personal.. not a matter of educated or not.. we

could make ourselves crazy trying to talk in a way that didn't or might not

offend someone.. its impossible to know what someone might find offensive..

it is a waste of everyone time.

I always feel better thinking I have achieved pretty well even with these

handicaps.. I think it proves I have worked hard. There is no shame. We all

have different abilities.. If I feel bad about what some one else says or

thinks or misunderstands.. then that is my bad. Only I can define me.. what

do I care what they think.

From: [mailto: ]

On Behalf Of agirlnamedsuess21

Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2010 6:40 PM

Subject: [ ] Re: Curebie (Anti-Cure) Social Problem

You should always try to use *PEOPLE FIRST* language, which refers to the

person as a person first and foremost and their disability last (which does

not define who they are). Calling someone autistic makes reference to that

being all that they are, which is not true.

It is a matter of a person being educated versus a person being

non-educated, as to whether or not you use people-first language.

> > > > >

> > > > > I was wondering if it's ok to talk about cure vs. anti-cure autism

social problems here. The ideas put forth on this forum I have come to

understand are not liked by some. However despite having an ASD myself I

have not taken a side and when I try to think openly to figure things out I

am censored in a anti-cure forum. I think of social problems as

science problems in part.

> > > > >

> > > > > Can anyone share their opinion?

> > > > >

> > > > > When I first posted here as an autism self-advocate in

introduction one person called me an ASPIE and an ASAN. Please know my

perceptions of these things were at first not even aware of ASAN and never

quite liking titling myself as anything though others have the freedom to.

> > > > >

> > > > > Young

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Well I wouldn't expect any parent to call their son or daughter a disease or

have them live a life as if they are defective. I'd assume this to be correct as

it would be rational to assume. To be positive is certainly a form of treatment

for the behavioral-ism thinkers.

>

> So let's save everyone time and sanity by discussing autism and mercury

[Guest guest]

Whatever, I am just going to stop posting to you , I am seriously

thinking this is some kind of scam to detract us all from healing our

children.

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Subject: [ ] Re: Curebie (Anti-Cure) Social Problem

Well I wouldn't expect any parent to call their son or daughter a disease or

have them live a life as if they are defective. I'd assume this to be

correct as it would be rational to assume. To be positive is certainly a

form of treatment for the behavioral-ism thinkers.

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> So let's save everyone time and sanity by discussing autism and mercury

[Guest guest]

Actually positivity is part of programs where I live to build self-esteem. I

read about it. Also behaviorism is an active influence in support worker

training but differs from a qualified behaviourist.

See I can be very nice and you just don't want to get along. It's really

unfortunate but having a logical conversation you just accuse me of a scam which

is well, doest seem like you want to get along and in fact you predicted it in a

previous post just a few minutes ago and followed through.

What kind of scam am I? This is just recently.

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w.times-standard.com

http://www.times-standard.com/ci_14497008?IADID=Search-www.times-standard.com-ww\

w.times-standard.com

I've really appreciated the conversation here after I had a chance to explain my

mentality. If you think I am a scam please call your local FBI office. Then the

folks that pay for my inclusion, in part federal money, can confirm to you I am

authentic in the form of no scam has taken place.

Having fun thinking for myself.

Young

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> Whatever, I am just going to stop posting to you , I am seriously

> thinking this is some kind of scam to detract us all from healing our

> children.

[Guest guest]

... do you have your own blog? Ever consider starting one?

I can imagine you feel like you are beating your head against a brick wall, just

as others are feeling. Create a place out there on the Internet where people

CHOOSE to come to you to discuss your thoughts and ideas.

I've never navigated this site, but I know of one for adults with Aspergers

called wrongplanet.net

My guess is you've explored these places already. Or, you might be better

received on another group dedicated to something other than biomedical

treatment.

I am not asking you to leave... but instead to find another place for this

particular discussion. Personally, I value having adults with Asperger Syndrome

who participate here because it provides much needed insight. I hope we can

provide you with useful information, too.

Pam

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> > Whatever, I am just going to stop posting to you , I am seriously

> > thinking this is some kind of scam to detract us all from healing our

> > children.

>

[Guest guest]

The discovery conversation for anti-cure was to determine the groups mentality

in part. The discussion as far as I am concerned is over. I apologize if it was

out of context and appreciate the ability to have it for a short time. On to

other ideas.

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> ... do you have your own blog? Ever consider starting one?

>

> I can imagine you feel like you are beating your head against a brick wall,

just as others are feeling. Create a place out there on the Internet where

people CHOOSE to come to you to discuss your thoughts and ideas.

>

> I've never navigated this site, but I know of one for adults with Aspergers

called wrongplanet.net

>

> My guess is you've explored these places already. Or, you might be better

received on another group dedicated to something other than biomedical

treatment.

>

> I am not asking you to leave... but instead to find another place for this

particular discussion. Personally, I value having adults with Asperger Syndrome

who participate here because it provides much needed insight. I hope we can

provide you with useful information, too.

>

> Pam

[Guest guest]

Very well said . You're very welcome! I gives me great joy to hear of each

and every child out there that I've helped that is getting better. My son is

getting better and I feel every child and family should have that same

opportunity.

The only social problem I see is the one of ignorance in this country to allow

our own medical community and government to freely poison our infants with toxic

vaccines in the name of profit and then send us a bill for it. What kind of

blasphemy allows you to sell mercury?

I dodn't think this a theory group for discussing social theories or ideals per

say. I'm sure they have those if you search for them on .

It's very easy for people who do not have children affected to say this or that,

it's very easy indeed. But if you are on the other side of this...there is NO

speculation about cure. You do whatever you can to help your child because that

is what good decent human beings do for their children. You wouldn't not treat a

diabetic child, what makes this any different? Sick is sick..regardless.

What is an anticure social problem, is that where we ignore a social problem...?

Well, if you look around America we are already very good at doing that. We

ignore the homeless, the addicts, anyone different...lots of anticure there. I

see it works so well.....not.

But this group is mainly for curing and treating.

This is a treatment group. Most everyone here is centered on that basis. Or else

we would be wasting out time here. We'd be on an anti-cure forum.

You were banned from the anti-cure forum. What more do we need to know?

What's sad is that there even is an anticure forum.

I feel bad for those children who will never get treatment because their parents

were under this notion that " this is the way the kid is we just have to accept

it " . I've had people tell me that " well, God made your kid that way, you should

accept it " . I said " No, actually God doesn't make child this way, some doctor

with a vaccine needle did. Some pharmaceutical company did. " This is a manmade

illness. So why should I accept that? Unless nothing could be done, but

something can. To have the cure in your hands and choose to ignore it....?

Incomprehensible to those of us who have watched our children suffer daily.

The idea that " things on this group are not widely accepted " does not come from

our theories of whether or not to cure our kids, it comes from the fact that

doctors don't read medical text and insists upon chelating children unsafely, or

experimenting on these children with drugs to treat them, sometimes with dire

results. And this group was the pioneer in changing that. Safer treatments were

developed that actually work. So I guess you could say there is no " anticure "

atmosphere here at all.

How could there be when we clearly see children being cured?

You asked for opinions, most of us have given you one. It may not be how you

feel....that's fine.

Best of luck to you .

Jan

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> > I was wondering if it's ok to talk about cure vs. anti-cure autism social

problems here. The ideas put forth on this forum I have come to understand are

not liked by some. However despite having an ASD myself I have not taken a side

and when I try to think openly to figure things out I am censored in a anti-cure

forum. I think of social problems as science problems in part.

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> > Can anyone share their opinion?

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> > When I first posted here as an autism self-advocate in introduction one

person called me an ASPIE and an ASAN. Please know my perceptions of these

things were at first not even aware of ASAN and never quite liking titling

myself as anything though others have the freedom to.

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> > Young

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