Re: Airport Security Molestation

November 20, 2010

Last year after the underwear bomber Â they pat down everyone ,including they

try to pat down my 7 at the time Â y.o. son ,He fought them and they could do it

to good , How ever They pat me down as well and at the time the way they did it

,I thought that is not Â that invasive . The chance of radiation from the body

scanner Â and a pat down I will think a pat down is safer . Â have no idea if

the pat down has change . I imagine they don't put their hand on You private

parts. But then again if they do , it is outrages !

Nora Bunis -StuartÂ

From: Elliander Eldridge <gwaeraurond@...>

Subject: [ ] Airport Security Molestation

Date: Saturday, November 20, 2010, 7:39 PM

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I am just curious about something... of the parents here, how do you plan to

deal with the new changes to airport security?

Basically, the new policy is to require that all people go through full body

X-Ray Scanners (which is claimed to be safe but no tests have been done to

confirm this) which takes a very clear photograph of what you and your children

look like under the clothes, and although they claim it is not stored images

have already leaked onto the internet proving this is not the case. And even

with faces being distorted, well, I just can't imagine parents willingly letting

some government agent look at naked pictures of their children. Which can

possibly be leaked onto the internet as Child Porn.

They say on their website that this procedure is optional, but there is only one

alternative: A new " enhanced " pat down which involves probing fingers and

groping that in any other context would result in sexual molestation charges.

It has already had traumatizing impacts on children:

http://www.wbtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=13526724

But the scary thing is, you can't refuse. If you say no to the scanners, and you

say no to letting an agent molest your child, you will be given a fine of

$11,000 for leaving a security check point without completing. Not to mention

you won't be allowed to fly. Some parents have it worse. Some don't even get the

option of the scanners. It's mandatory molestation.

Plus, these new scanners don't even work. They can detect dense materials, but

not plastics, and not what is inside the body. Terrorists have already defeated

these scanners in other countries and they will cost tax payers 350 Million a

year... and if we follow this to the logical conclusion it means that if people

don't complain about this, they'll move onto mandatory cavity searches of

children eventually.

The TSA website says most prefer the scanners to the alternative. It's no

surprise why. Neither of the 3 options seem pleasant, but they don't describe

this on their website in sufficient detail. In fact, even to the press, the TSA

says: " I can't discuss specifics of a security procedure such as a pat down. "

meaning you won't know until you deal with it exactly what they will try to do

to you and your children.

My concern in bringing this up is that a child with Autism is going to be allot

more sensitive to this kind of issue. Heck, I'm an adult with Autism in

remission and it sets off anxiety just thinking about it since I bought plane

tickets before finding out about this. So how exactly do the parents here plan

to deal with the issue? Is anyone else as outraged as I am? Is anyone else

complaining to their legislators?

November 20, 2010

The last time I went through a pat down last year I didn't think it was invasive

either. But according to news reports, they now put theirs hands up the legs and

down the pants and either pat female genitalia directly or grasp at male

genitalia. A number have videos have come online about this.

The UK also uses these scanners I hear, but at least they openly admit that it

wouldn't have even detected what the underwear bandit used.

Another concern is that pregnant women should not go through these scanners for

safety reasons but no notice is made to them.

From: Elliander Eldridge <gwaeraurond@...>

Subject: [ ] Airport Security Molestation

Date: Saturday, November 20, 2010, 7:39 PM

Â

I am just curious about something... of the parents here, how do you plan to

deal with the new changes to airport security?

Basically, the new policy is to require that all people go through full body

X-Ray Scanners (which is claimed to be safe but no tests have been done to

confirm this) which takes a very clear photograph of what you and your children

look like under the clothes, and although they claim it is not stored images

have already leaked onto the internet proving this is not the case. And even

with faces being distorted, well, I just can't imagine parents willingly letting

some government agent look at naked pictures of their children. Which can

possibly be leaked onto the internet as Child Porn.

They say on their website that this procedure is optional, but there is only one

alternative: A new " enhanced " pat down which involves probing fingers and

groping that in any other context would result in sexual molestation charges.

It has already had traumatizing impacts on children:

http://www.wbtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=13526724

But the scary thing is, you can't refuse. If you say no to the scanners, and you

say no to letting an agent molest your child, you will be given a fine of

$11,000 for leaving a security check point without completing. Not to mention

you won't be allowed to fly. Some parents have it worse. Some don't even get the

option of the scanners. It's mandatory molestation.

Plus, these new scanners don't even work. They can detect dense materials, but

not plastics, and not what is inside the body. Terrorists have already defeated

these scanners in other countries and they will cost tax payers 350 Million a

year... and if we follow this to the logical conclusion it means that if people

don't complain about this, they'll move onto mandatory cavity searches of

children eventually.

The TSA website says most prefer the scanners to the alternative. It's no

surprise why. Neither of the 3 options seem pleasant, but they don't describe

this on their website in sufficient detail. In fact, even to the press, the TSA

says: " I can't discuss specifics of a security procedure such as a pat down. "

meaning you won't know until you deal with it exactly what they will try to do

to you and your children.

My concern in bringing this up is that a child with Autism is going to be allot

more sensitive to this kind of issue. Heck, I'm an adult with Autism in

remission and it sets off anxiety just thinking about it since I bought plane

tickets before finding out about this. So how exactly do the parents here plan

to deal with the issue? Is anyone else as outraged as I am? Is anyone else

complaining to their legislators?

November 20, 2010

I won't fly unless it becomes necessary that I absolutely have to. So far,

so good. I know this isn't practical for a variety for business people, but

it works for me. I can't even imagine putting my son on a plane and going

through that. I would be a nervous wreck the whole time thinking about the

possibility of him having a sensory panic attack. Plus, he would wan to see

the bathrooms a thousand times. He does great on long car trips, and we can

stop when we need to. He loves staying in hotels. I have no desire to be

x-rayed and poked and prodded by " security " personnel. Yuck.

You just wait, since the sheeples have submitted to this, the next thing

they will require is a full body cavity search. I bet there's plenty who

will even let them go that far. Let's face it; our government for the right

$$$ already bends over everyday to big business polluters and says, " Stick

it right here. "

November 20, 2010

ya.. the cavity search is what I am afraid of. I mean, when it comes to that

it's pretty much Rape. How can anyone think a little girl will recover from some

strange man putting his fingers inside her like that?

Looking on the TSA website, they claim that most people choose the scanners over

the alternatives. (gee... I wonder why) but neglect to point out that Flight

sales are at an all time low ever since they changed to those blasted machines.

I wouldn't have even bought my plane ticket if I knew they were going to start

using this system.

I think we will only see change if people specifically make a fuss to the

legislators en mass.

From: Haven DeLay <hdelay@...>

Subject: Re: [ ] Airport Security Molestation

Date: Saturday, November 20, 2010, 4:59 PM

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I won't fly unless it becomes necessary that I absolutely have to. So

far,