Guest guest Posted April 6, 2010 Report Share Posted April 6, 2010 Mari Lynche wrote: > > I just wanted to know if anyone is using it and what was the benefits > and side effects to it. > You might as well just use curcumin. It is extremely high sulfur and raises plasma cysteine levels a lot, making you miserable if you are sensitive to thiol foods, according to Andy. It's very high in phenols, so can be a problem for those sensitive. > > Thanks! > > Mari > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2010 Report Share Posted April 7, 2010 We are on Day #6 of the introductory dose. So far, no negatives. I'm hoping for a language boost, which is what I've seen before with anti-viral supplements. Curcumin is also an anti-inflammatory, which is another plus. I'll pay attention to the phenol issue, but we don't seem to be sensitive to phenols overall (not wildly so). We've been chelating over 100 rounds, so perhaps he is just closer to recovery and able to tolerate things? I've used turmeric/curcumin with my son before, but decided to try this after a parent report of reading comprehension surges and after reading about how curcumin typically isn't well absorbed (somehow Enhansa is enhanced for absorbtion; don't know how but probably should find out). First friend sleepover last night! A real invitation... not family. I cried the whole way home. Life is good. Pam > > I just wanted to know if anyone is using it and what was the benefits and side effects to it. > > Thanks! > > Mari > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2010 Report Share Posted April 7, 2010 I said this in another post, but the reason I'm trying Enhansa (I've used curcumin before) is because I read curcumin is generally poorly absorbed and Enhansa has been enhanced to maximize absorbtion. Of course, this was the Enhansa website! I don't have a sensitive kid. For me, it was worth a try. I've had good luck with antivirals before, but I will keep an eye open for problems. We are on Day 5 of 150 mgs. Although, if you buy curcumin with piperine (black pepper derivitive), the absorbtion is supposed to be much better. The bottle I am using now for myself (not Enhansa) doesn't have it, but I've used it in the past that way. Pam > > > > I just wanted to know if anyone is using it and what was the benefits > > and side effects to it. > > > > You might as well just use curcumin. > > It is extremely high sulfur and raises plasma cysteine levels a lot, > making you miserable if you are sensitive to thiol foods, according to > Andy. > > It's very high in phenols, so can be a problem for those sensitive. > > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > Mari > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2010 Report Share Posted April 7, 2010 Cool! So happy to hear about it going well and the sleepover! Thank you for keeping us informed about how the Enhansa is going, I have been very interested because it is something we haven't tried yet though I have read a lot about it (curcumin). (I did give him turmeric a looooong time ago and got the phenol reaction). > > > > I just wanted to know if anyone is using it and what was the benefits and side effects to it. > > > > Thanks! > > > > Mari > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2010 Report Share Posted April 7, 2010 Can someone tell me what a phenol reaction is? Cheleta's iPhone On Apr 7, 2010, at 11:02 AM, " Liz " <elizabethsoliday@...> wrote: Cool! So happy to hear about it going well and the sleepover! Thank you for keeping us informed about how the Enhansa is going, I have been very interested because it is something we haven't tried yet though I have read a lot about it (curcumin). (I did give him turmeric a looooong time ago and got the phenol reaction). > > > > I just wanted to know if anyone is using it and what was the benefits and side effects to it. > > > > Thanks! > > > > Mari > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2010 Report Share Posted April 7, 2010 Cheleta9178 wrote: > > > Can someone tell me what a phenol reaction is? > A reaction of the body to products containing phenols or salicylates. Symptoms are restlessness, agitation, agressivity, dark circles under eyes... Am I missing any, anyone? > > Cheleta's iPhone > > On Apr 7, 2010, at 11:02 AM, " Liz " <elizabethsoliday@... > <mailto:elizabethsoliday%40>> wrote: > > Cool! So happy to hear about it going well and the sleepover! Thank > you for keeping us informed about how the Enhansa is going, I have > been very interested because it is something we haven't tried yet > though I have read a lot about it (curcumin). (I did give him turmeric > a looooong time ago and got the phenol reaction). > > > > > > > > I just wanted to know if anyone is using it and what was the > benefits and side effects to it. > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > Mari > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2010 Report Share Posted April 7, 2010 Pink ears… cheeks.. From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Ross Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 6:45 PM Subject: Re: [ ] Re: Anyone on Enhansa? Cheleta9178 wrote: > > > Can someone tell me what a phenol reaction is? > A reaction of the body to products containing phenols or salicylates. Symptoms are restlessness, agitation, agressivity, dark circles under eyes... Am I missing any, anyone? > > Cheleta's iPhone > > On Apr 7, 2010, at 11:02 AM, " Liz " <elizabethsoliday@... <mailto:elizabethsoliday%40> > <mailto:elizabethsoliday%40>> wrote: > > Cool! So happy to hear about it going well and the sleepover! Thank > you for keeping us informed about how the Enhansa is going, I have > been very interested because it is something we haven't tried yet > though I have read a lot about it (curcumin). (I did give him turmeric > a looooong time ago and got the phenol reaction). > > > > > > > > I just wanted to know if anyone is using it and what was the > benefits and side effects to it. > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > Mari > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2010 Report Share Posted April 7, 2010 For my son - he does not get the " typical " red ears/ red cheeks look but his symptoms are primarily behavioral - very hyper, even aggressive (and he is not an aggressive type), very spontaneous (he can hit or kick for no reason), no self control, giggly and silly. So even if I'm disciplining him for something that he did wrong, he will look at me and giggle and I can tell he knows it is not appropriate but he just cannot help it. His attention goes from descent to zero, he gets very wiggly. He also becomes very emotional - like if he's not the first one in line (at daycare), he will start crying and screaming... When we increased his Enhansa dose (to 150 mg x 2 day) - he began hitting kids at daycare, intentionally and out of the blue. Like during a circle time he would just kick or whack a kid next to him. He would pick up and throw art supplies on the floor. He became very defiant. When a teacher would tell him something, especially " no " , he would get very rude and yell back. Just a 4-year-old-bully going on 14! We have started on No Phenol yesterday (1 cap x 2 day) and we increased his epsom salt bath to 2 cups of salt... We also eliminated bananas and apples... working on taking out OJ. I will report out if we see major changes, however, I don't know how long it might take for No Phenol and epsom salt to kick in. He is off Enhansa for a good month now (so something else is causing his current phenol reactions). Lena ________________________________ From: Cheleta9178 <cheleta9178@...> " " < > Sent: Wed, April 7, 2010 6:50:04 PM Subject: Re: [ ] Re: Anyone on Enhansa? Can someone tell me what a phenol reaction is? Cheleta'siPhone On Apr 7, 2010, at 11:02 AM, " Liz " <elizabethsoliday> wrote: Cool! So happy to hear about it going well and the sleepover! Thank you for keeping us informed about how the Enhansa is going, I have been very interested because it is something we haven't tried yet though I have read a lot about it (curcumin). (I did give him turmeric a looooong time ago and got the phenol reaction). > > > > I just wanted to know if anyone is using it and what was the benefits and side effects to it. > > > > Thanks! > > > > Mari > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2010 Report Share Posted April 7, 2010 Lena Khais wrote: > > > For my son - he does not get the " typical " red ears/ red cheeks look > but his symptoms are primarily behavioral - very hyper, even > aggressive (and he is not an aggressive type), very spontaneous (he > can hit or kick for no reason), no self control, giggly and silly. So > even if I'm disciplining him for something that he did wrong, he will > look at me and giggle and I can tell he knows it is not appropriate > but he just cannot help it. His attention goes from descent to zero, > he gets very wiggly. He also becomes very emotional - like if he's not > the first one in line (at daycare), he will start crying and screaming... > > When we increased his Enhansa dose (to 150 mg x 2 day) - he began > hitting kids at daycare, intentionally and out of the blue. Like > during a circle time he would just kick or whack a kid next to him. He > would pick up and throw art supplies on the floor. He became very > defiant. When a teacher would tell him something, especially " no " , he > would get very rude and yell back. Just a 4-year-old-bully going on 14! > > We have started on No Phenol yesterday (1 cap x 2 day) and we > increased his epsom salt bath to 2 cups of salt... We also eliminated > bananas and apples... working on taking out OJ. I will report out if > we see major changes, however, I don't know how long it might take for > No Phenol > NoFenol are enzymes. They work instantaneously on whatever is in the stomach. So it should be given directly with the phenol food. Dosing over time is ineffective. > and epsom salt to kick in. He is off Enhansa for a good month now (so > something else is causing his current phenol reactions). > > Lena > > ________________________________ > From: Cheleta9178 <cheleta9178@... <mailto:cheleta9178%40>> > " > <mailto: %40> " > < <mailto: %40>> > Sent: Wed, April 7, 2010 6:50:04 PM > Subject: Re: [ ] Re: Anyone on Enhansa? > > Can someone tell me what a phenol reaction is? > > Cheleta'siPhone > > On Apr 7, 2010, at 11:02 AM, " Liz " <elizabethsoliday> wrote: > > Cool! So happy to hear about it going well and the sleepover! Thank > you for keeping us informed about how the Enhansa is going, I have > been very interested because it is something we haven't tried yet > though I have read a lot about it (curcumin). (I did give him turmeric > a looooong time ago and got the phenol reaction). > > > > > > > > I just wanted to know if anyone is using it and what was the > benefits and side effects to it. > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > Mari > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2010 Report Share Posted April 8, 2010 For some reason, chelation kicks up the phenol/salicylate reactions for us and we just avoid the foods for the most part. We have found that taking epsom salt baths and a very strong yeast protocol does help us tolerate foods better. I would definitely try to eliminate the orange juice because it is a major yeast feeder. I think the phenol reactions can be the same as food intolerances and actually cause inflammation that makes a person impulsive and aggressive. The way your child was acting is how mine would act if I gave him gluten. Do everything to stop the inflammation, if it is not stopped, it is very hard for the child's brain to heal. If you haven't started already, start chelating right away and get the foods out of his diet that cause this. He will thank you and you will thank yourself later. > > > > > > I just wanted to know if anyone is using it and what was the benefits and side effects to it. > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > Mari > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2010 Report Share Posted April 8, 2010 Hi Liz, we have done 5 rounds of chelation and plan on continuing every weekend (as much as we can). Can you please suggest a website/ source that I can read to help me identify food that is high in phenol. I've read on this forum about bananas, apples and OJ. But I'm sure there is a whole lot more to it. We have been doing Epsom salt baths for a while but I just went up to 2 caps per bath and extended the time period that he's in there... I think he slept a bit better last night (woke up only 2 times - it is HUGE for us since he usually wakes up almost every hour...) Thank you ________________________________ From: Liz <elizabethsoliday@...> Sent: Thu, April 8, 2010 2:52:48 AM Subject: [ ] Re: Anyone on Enhansa? For some reason, chelation kicks up the phenol/salicylate reactions for us and we just avoid the foods for the most part. We have found that taking epsom salt baths and a very strong yeast protocol does help us tolerate foods better. I would definitely try to eliminate the orange juice because it is a major yeast feeder. I think the phenol reactions can be the same as food intolerances and actually cause inflammation that makes a person impulsive and aggressive. The way your child was acting is how mine would act if I gave him gluten. Do everything to stop the inflammation, if it is not stopped, it is very hard for the child's brain to heal. If you haven't started already, start chelating right away and get the foods out of his diet that cause this. He will thank you and you will thank yourself later. > > > > > > I just wanted to know if anyone is using it and what was the benefits and side effects to it. > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > Mari > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2010 Report Share Posted April 8, 2010 ----- Original Message ----- From: Pamela H ====>Great Pam! And now you know when you reduce the metals enough to get the inflammation down, this will be a permanent improvement. Keep going, the protocol when properly applied, does work, slowly, but it works. We are on Day #6 of the introductory dose. So far, no negatives. I'm hoping for a language boost, which is what I've seen before with anti-viral supplements. Curcumin is also an anti-inflammatory, which is another plus. I'll pay attention to the phenol issue, but we don't seem to be sensitive to phenols overall (not wildly so). We've been chelating over 100 rounds, so perhaps he is just closer to recovery and able to tolerate things? I've used turmeric/curcumin with my son before, but decided to try this after a parent report of reading comprehension surges and after reading about how curcumin typically isn't well absorbed (somehow Enhansa is enhanced for absorbtion; don't know how but probably should find out). First friend sleepover last night! A real invitation... not family. I cried the whole way home. Life is good. Pam > > I just wanted to know if anyone is using it and what was the benefits and side effects to it. > > Thanks! > > Mari > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2010 Report Share Posted April 8, 2010 > Can someone tell me what a phenol reaction is? I have info here http://www.danasview.net/phenol.htm Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2010 Report Share Posted April 8, 2010 Dana, your links on that page for lists of high-phenol foods have been broken for over a year now and I keep telling you about them. The ONLY one that works is: http://www.zipworld.com.au/~ataraxy/Salicylates_list.html danasview wrote: > > > > Can someone tell me what a phenol reaction is? > > I have info here > > http://www.danasview.net/phenol.htm <http://www.danasview.net/phenol.htm> > > Dana > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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