Re: Chelating therapy and HBOT

[Guest guest]

Personally, I would try chelation first and see what happens. Much cheaper with

many more success stories. If you find that your child isn't responding to

chelation then I might try HBOT.

HBOT is intriguing, but I really haven't heard the level of success (not at all)

that I do from proper chelation with our spectrum kids. I guess I'm just not

100% convinced that, since HBOT works for certain types of brain

damage/autoimmune disorders, that means it works for our kids, NOR that it is

safe for those who are heavy metal affected.

my opinion.

Pam

>

> Hi

>

> Would it be save to be on chelating therapy for a 3years child with autism and

at the same time undergo HBOT!? My concern is if the process of oxygenation of

blood and tissue resulting from HBOT could interfere with any deposits of heavy

metals or the way chelating agent would work.

>

> Thanks

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Pam

HBOT and Chelation both work in different ways. While Chelation does have high

succes rate since most or not all patients with autism have a certain degree of

heavy metal toxicity, HBOT works in a different way by oxygenating the cells and

according to a study in 2006 (ref Dr. Geoffrey H. Saft website) helps to

mobalise stem cells in the body.

HBOT as a therapy is unlikey to harm and instead is more beneficial to even a

healthy person. The cost of the therpay here is a factor.

> >

> > Hi

> >

> > Would it be save to be on chelating therapy for a 3years child with autism

and at the same time undergo HBOT!? My concern is if the process of oxygenation

of blood and tissue resulting from HBOT could interfere with any deposits of

heavy metals or the way chelating agent would work.

> >

> > Thanks

> >

>

[Guest guest]

We do chelation and hbot together. We are seeing more amazing results than we

did with just chelation alone!!!  I'm talking going from barely being able to

hold a pen, to picking up a pen and drawing a smiley face!

________________________________

From: Pamela H <phaselow@...>

Sent: Fri, November 5, 2010 6:54:52 AM

Subject: [ ] Re: Chelating therapy and HBOT

 

Personally, I would try chelation first and see what happens. Much cheaper with

many more success stories. If you find that your child isn't responding to

chelation then I might try HBOT.

HBOT is intriguing, but I really haven't heard the level of success (not at all)

that I do from proper chelation with our spectrum kids. I guess I'm just not

100% convinced that, since HBOT works for certain types of brain

damage/autoimmune disorders, that means it works for our kids, NOR that it is

safe for those who are heavy metal affected.

my opinion.

Pam

>

> Hi

>

> Would it be save to be on chelating therapy for a 3years child with autism and

>at the same time undergo HBOT!? My concern is if the process of oxygenation of

>blood and tissue resulting from HBOT could interfere with any deposits of heavy

>metals or the way chelating agent would work.

>

> Thanks

>

[Guest guest]

This question was just posted a few weeks ago and Andy says that it's not a

good idea for Mercury toxic people.

That said I'm wondering if down the line after chelating for a few years, it

might be a good idea. It's not chance I'm taking, but wonder if we have to

finish all the rounds, before doing hbot.

Zuram

On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 8:25 AM, Kate Grayce <kategrayce11@...> wrote:

>

>

> We do chelation and hbot together. We are seeing more amazing results than

> we

> did with just chelation alone!!! I'm talking going from barely being able

> to

> hold a pen, to picking up a pen and drawing a smiley face!

>

> ________________________________

> From: Pamela H <phaselow@... <phaselow%40wi.rr.com>>

> < %40>

> Sent: Fri, November 5, 2010 6:54:52 AM

> Subject: [ ] Re: Chelating therapy and HBOT

>

>

>

>

> Personally, I would try chelation first and see what happens. Much cheaper

> with

> many more success stories. If you find that your child isn't responding to

> chelation then I might try HBOT.

>

> HBOT is intriguing, but I really haven't heard the level of success (not at

> all)

> that I do from proper chelation with our spectrum kids. I guess I'm just

> not

> 100% convinced that, since HBOT works for certain types of brain

> damage/autoimmune disorders, that means it works for our kids, NOR that it

> is

> safe for those who are heavy metal affected.

>

> my opinion.

>

> Pam

>

>

> >

> > Hi

> >

> > Would it be save to be on chelating therapy for a 3years child with

> autism and

> >at the same time undergo HBOT!? My concern is if the process of

> oxygenation of

> >blood and tissue resulting from HBOT could interfere with any deposits of

> heavy

> >metals or the way chelating agent would work.

> >

> > Thanks

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

after a few yrs is a good time i think.but doing one or other..............ie

when you try hbot stop chelation

________________________________

From: Zurama <autismtookmickie@...>

Sent: Fri, November 5, 2010 10:06:23 AM

Subject: Re: [ ] Re: Chelating therapy and HBOT

This question was just posted a few weeks ago and Andy says that it's not a

good idea for Mercury toxic people.

That said I'm wondering if down the line after chelating for a few years, it

might be a good idea. It's not chance I'm taking, but wonder if we have to

finish all the rounds, before doing hbot.

Zuram

On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 8:25 AM, Kate Grayce <kategrayce11@...> wrote:

>

>

> We do chelation and hbot together. We are seeing more amazing results than

> we

> did with just chelation alone!!! I'm talking going from barely being able

> to

> hold a pen, to picking up a pen and drawing a smiley face!

>

> ________________________________

> From: Pamela H <phaselow@... <phaselow%40wi.rr.com>>

> < %40>

> Sent: Fri, November 5, 2010 6:54:52 AM

> Subject: [ ] Re: Chelating therapy and HBOT

>

>

>

>

> Personally, I would try chelation first and see what happens. Much cheaper

> with

> many more success stories. If you find that your child isn't responding to

> chelation then I might try HBOT.

>

> HBOT is intriguing, but I really haven't heard the level of success (not at

> all)

> that I do from proper chelation with our spectrum kids. I guess I'm just

> not

> 100% convinced that, since HBOT works for certain types of brain

> damage/autoimmune disorders, that means it works for our kids, NOR that it

> is

> safe for those who are heavy metal affected.

>

> my opinion.

>

> Pam

>

>

> >

> > Hi

> >

> > Would it be save to be on chelating therapy for a 3years child with

> autism and

> >at the same time undergo HBOT!? My concern is if the process of

> oxygenation of

> >blood and tissue resulting from HBOT could interfere with any deposits of

> heavy

> >metals or the way chelating agent would work.

> >

> > Thanks

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

Ok.....well then we are a long way from there.....only on round 37 and he is

so severe, it will be a while before hbot.

Thanks,

Zurama

On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 9:11 AM, Olive Ginger <olive.ginger@...> wrote:

>

>

> after a few yrs is a good time i think.but doing one or

> other..............ie

> when you try hbot stop chelation

>

> ________________________________

> From: Zurama <autismtookmickie@... <autismtookmickie%40gmail.com>>

>

> < %40>

> Sent: Fri, November 5, 2010 10:06:23 AM

> Subject: Re: [ ] Re: Chelating therapy and HBOT

>

>

> This question was just posted a few weeks ago and Andy says that it's not a

> good idea for Mercury toxic people.

>

> That said I'm wondering if down the line after chelating for a few years,

> it

> might be a good idea. It's not chance I'm taking, but wonder if we have to

> finish all the rounds, before doing hbot.

>

> Zuram

>

> On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 8:25 AM, Kate Grayce

<kategrayce11@...<kategrayce11%40>>

> wrote:

>

> >

> >

> > We do chelation and hbot together. We are seeing more amazing results

> than

> > we

> > did with just chelation alone!!! I'm talking going from barely being able

> > to

> > hold a pen, to picking up a pen and drawing a smiley face!

> >

> > ________________________________

> > From: Pamela H <phaselow@... <phaselow%40wi.rr.com> <phaselow%

> 40wi.rr.com>>

> >

< %40>< %

> 40>

>

> > Sent: Fri, November 5, 2010 6:54:52 AM

> > Subject: [ ] Re: Chelating therapy and HBOT

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Personally, I would try chelation first and see what happens. Much

> cheaper

> > with

> > many more success stories. If you find that your child isn't responding

> to

> > chelation then I might try HBOT.

> >

> > HBOT is intriguing, but I really haven't heard the level of success (not

> at

> > all)

> > that I do from proper chelation with our spectrum kids. I guess I'm just

> > not

> > 100% convinced that, since HBOT works for certain types of brain

> > damage/autoimmune disorders, that means it works for our kids, NOR that

> it

> > is

> > safe for those who are heavy metal affected.

> >

> > my opinion.

> >

> > Pam

> >

> >

> > >

> > > Hi

> > >

> > > Would it be save to be on chelating therapy for a 3years child with

> > autism and

> > >at the same time undergo HBOT!? My concern is if the process of

> > oxygenation of

> > >blood and tissue resulting from HBOT could interfere with any deposits

> of

> > heavy

> > >metals or the way chelating agent would work.

> > >

> > > Thanks

> > >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

these are all opinions mind you.... not facts.  Everyone needs to state what

works for their child and not give advice like it's sound scientific evidence.

________________________________

From: Olive Ginger <olive.ginger@...>

Sent: Fri, November 5, 2010 11:11:08 AM

Subject: Re: [ ] Re: Chelating therapy and HBOT

 

after a few yrs is a good time i think.but doing one or other..............ie

when you try hbot stop chelation

________________________________

From: Zurama <autismtookmickie@...>

Sent: Fri, November 5, 2010 10:06:23 AM

Subject: Re: [ ] Re: Chelating therapy and HBOT

This question was just posted a few weeks ago and Andy says that it's not a

good idea for Mercury toxic people.

That said I'm wondering if down the line after chelating for a few years, it

might be a good idea. It's not chance I'm taking, but wonder if we have to

finish all the rounds, before doing hbot.

Zuram

On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 8:25 AM, Kate Grayce <kategrayce11@...> wrote:

>

>

> We do chelation and hbot together. We are seeing more amazing results than

> we

> did with just chelation alone!!! I'm talking going from barely being able

> to

> hold a pen, to picking up a pen and drawing a smiley face!

>

> ________________________________

> From: Pamela H <phaselow@... <phaselow%40wi.rr.com>>

> < %40>

> Sent: Fri, November 5, 2010 6:54:52 AM

> Subject: [ ] Re: Chelating therapy and HBOT

>

>

>

>

> Personally, I would try chelation first and see what happens. Much cheaper

> with

> many more success stories. If you find that your child isn't responding to

> chelation then I might try HBOT.

>

> HBOT is intriguing, but I really haven't heard the level of success (not at

> all)

> that I do from proper chelation with our spectrum kids. I guess I'm just

> not

> 100% convinced that, since HBOT works for certain types of brain

> damage/autoimmune disorders, that means it works for our kids, NOR that it

> is

> safe for those who are heavy metal affected.

>

> my opinion.

>

> Pam

>

>

> >

> > Hi

> >

> > Would it be save to be on chelating therapy for a 3years child with

> autism and

> >at the same time undergo HBOT!? My concern is if the process of

> oxygenation of

> >blood and tissue resulting from HBOT could interfere with any deposits of

> heavy

> >metals or the way chelating agent would work.

> >

> > Thanks

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

You are right, we are all unique, but there are treatments that can make you

worse, so it's important to be very careful. What works for you

won't necessarily work for me in the same way.

Oh.....why must it be so complicated????

On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 9:21 AM, Kate Grayce <kategrayce11@...> wrote:

>

>

> these are all opinions mind you.... not facts. Everyone needs to state

> what

> works for their child and not give advice like it's sound scientific

> evidence.

>

> ________________________________

> From: Olive Ginger <olive.ginger@... <olive.ginger%40>>

>

> < %40>

> Sent: Fri, November 5, 2010 11:11:08 AM

>

> Subject: Re: [ ] Re: Chelating therapy and HBOT

>

>

> after a few yrs is a good time i think.but doing one or

> other..............ie

> when you try hbot stop chelation

>

> ________________________________

> From: Zurama <autismtookmickie@... <autismtookmickie%40gmail.com>>

> < %40>

> Sent: Fri, November 5, 2010 10:06:23 AM

> Subject: Re: [ ] Re: Chelating therapy and HBOT

>

> This question was just posted a few weeks ago and Andy says that it's not a

> good idea for Mercury toxic people.

>

> That said I'm wondering if down the line after chelating for a few years,

> it

> might be a good idea. It's not chance I'm taking, but wonder if we have to

> finish all the rounds, before doing hbot.

>

> Zuram

>

> On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 8:25 AM, Kate Grayce

<kategrayce11@...<kategrayce11%40>>

> wrote:

>

> >

> >

> > We do chelation and hbot together. We are seeing more amazing results

> than

> > we

> > did with just chelation alone!!! I'm talking going from barely being able

> > to

> > hold a pen, to picking up a pen and drawing a smiley face!

> >

> > ________________________________

> > From: Pamela H <phaselow@... <phaselow%40wi.rr.com> <phaselow%

> 40wi.rr.com>>

> >

< %40>< %

> 40>

> > Sent: Fri, November 5, 2010 6:54:52 AM

> > Subject: [ ] Re: Chelating therapy and HBOT

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Personally, I would try chelation first and see what happens. Much

> cheaper

> > with

> > many more success stories. If you find that your child isn't responding

> to

> > chelation then I might try HBOT.

> >

> > HBOT is intriguing, but I really haven't heard the level of success (not

> at

> > all)

> > that I do from proper chelation with our spectrum kids. I guess I'm just

> > not

> > 100% convinced that, since HBOT works for certain types of brain

> > damage/autoimmune disorders, that means it works for our kids, NOR that

> it

> > is

> > safe for those who are heavy metal affected.

> >

> > my opinion.

> >

> > Pam

> >

> >

> > >

> > > Hi

> > >

> > > Would it be save to be on chelating therapy for a 3years child with

> > autism and

> > >at the same time undergo HBOT!? My concern is if the process of

> > oxygenation of

> > >blood and tissue resulting from HBOT could interfere with any deposits

> of

> > heavy

> > >metals or the way chelating agent would work.

> > >

> > > Thanks

> > >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

People cannot easily afford a $4000+ experiment, though. I think it is valuable

to hear what others experience when the financial risk is so high, too. Very

different than trying a vitamin or diet. The use of HBOT for Autism is so new

that there is really very little scientific evidence specific to our kids so we

have to rely on anecdotal to some degree.

I love hearing the success stories, so keep them coming and prove me wrong!

again, just an opinion.

Pam

> > > >

> > > > Hi

> > > >

> > > > Would it be save to be on chelating therapy for a 3years child with

> > > autism and

> > > >at the same time undergo HBOT!? My concern is if the process of

> > > oxygenation of

> > > >blood and tissue resulting from HBOT could interfere with any deposits

> > of

> > > heavy

> > > >metals or the way chelating agent would work.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks

> > > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

This is a never ending debate about HBOT. We have done 105 rounds and my son

has made amazing progress. I often wondered whether HBOT would be helpful.

Early on a DAN! wanted us to try it, a) it was expensive and my husband was

adamantly against and was mindful that Andy said in many it can cause serious

damage. A lot of DAN! interventions are like this - expensive and a crap shoot.

We did B12 shots even though Andy warned against it, before chelation. It was

initially great and caused a leap in language and cognition. But once we

started chelation and did B12 shots concurrently with it - B12 eventually became

harmful and caused regression. My thought was that chelation gets to the

underlying causes of dysfunction in biochemistry, in cognitive and gut

disruption etc.

Chelation has removed metals from the brain, and has helped heal my son's gut

and improved his immune function. There are any manner of

supplements/interventions along the way that purport to address these various

issues. We have tried many - often they help for a while, and then, well

nothing. And in some cases, well, they are great for others, but were a disaster

for my son, causing harm in fact - case in point, high dose vitamin A, high dose

B6, b complex in general, Enhansa, vinpocetine etc. For us the only safe, and

consistent progress we have seen is with chelation.

I know it is not what people want to hear. The weekly grind of never ending

rounds, 105 rounds for us in a little over two years. But really this is what

has worked for us. I am not willing anymore to take a risk on anything else, I

could not live with myself if one of these other interventions caused some type

of serious or irreparable damage or regression in my child.

This is only my opinion, and at the end of the day, you have to do what you

think is right for your child. But ask about any intervention and you will get

50 different opinions on whether it is good or not - from miracle cures, to

nothing or to outright harm. You have to do your own research and investigation

and make a serious, measured decision about what is right for your child.

At the end of the day, for us, chelation has been the ticket, week after tedious

week. If chelation had not worked for our child right out of the gate, perhaps

I would have eventually tried HBOT or other interventions. But as the saying

goes, if it ain't broke, don't fix it.

Irene

5 year old, 105 rounds

63 rounds, Me

> > > >

> > > > Hi

> > > >

> > > > Would it be save to be on chelating therapy for a 3years child with

> > > autism and

> > > >at the same time undergo HBOT!? My concern is if the process of

> > > oxygenation of

> > > >blood and tissue resulting from HBOT could interfere with any deposits

> > of

> > > heavy

> > > >metals or the way chelating agent would work.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks

> > > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

The reason it is never ending is nobody is ethical enough to talk about the

indications and contraindications so that a rational decision can be made.

Half the kids benefit, the other half get worse. Some very profoundly worse

with long lasting consequences.

Without some further breakdown of what factors influence which ones get better

and which get worse, all the sales hype in the world can't lead to a rational

decision.

Andy

http://www.noamalgam.com/index.html

Amalgam Illness: Diagnosis and Treatment

http://www.noamalgam.com/hairtestbook.html

Hair Test Interpretation: Finding Hidden Toxicities

http://www.noamalgam.com/nourishinghope.html

Nourishing Hope for Autism: Nutrition Intervention for Healing Our Children

http://www.noamalgam.com/biologicaltreatments.html

Biological Treatments for Autism and PDD

> > > > >

> > > > > Hi

> > > > >

> > > > > Would it be save to be on chelating therapy for a 3years child with

> > > > autism and

> > > > >at the same time undergo HBOT!? My concern is if the process of

> > > > oxygenation of

> > > > >blood and tissue resulting from HBOT could interfere with any deposits

> > > of

> > > > heavy

> > > > >metals or the way chelating agent would work.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

> > >

> > > Hi

> > >

> > > Would it be save to be on chelating therapy for a 3years child with

> > autism and

> > >at the same time undergo HBOT!? My concern is if the process of

> > oxygenation of

> > >blood and tissue resulting from HBOT could interfere with any deposits of

> > heavy

> > >metals or the way chelating agent would work.

> > >

> > > Thanks

> > >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

> >

> >

> > Personally, I would try chelation first and see what happens. Much cheaper

with many more success stories. If you find that your child isn't responding to

chelation then I might try HBOT.

> >

> > HBOT is intriguing, but I really haven't heard the level of success (not at

all) that I do from proper chelation with our spectrum kids. I guess I'm just

not 100% convinced that, since HBOT works for certain types of brain

damage/autoimmune disorders, that means it works for our kids, NOR that it is

safe for those who are heavy metal affected.

Andy

http://www.noamalgam.com/index.html

Amalgam Illness: Diagnosis and Treatment

http://www.noamalgam.com/hairtestbook.html

Hair Test Interpretation: Finding Hidden Toxicities

http://www.noamalgam.com/nourishinghope.html

Nourishing Hope for Autism: Nutrition Intervention for Healing Our Children

http://www.noamalgam.com/biologicaltreatments.html

Biological Treatments for Autism and PDD

[Guest guest]

Out of all the things I've tried to get my son back, your protocol seems to

help the most as long as I follow all the rules. Sure enzymes, probiotics

and vitamins help him feel a little better, but that is as far as they go.

He has been to three Dans......One pushed for Hbot (didnt' do it) and the

other two just made him regress and meanwhile I lost precious time, that I

could have used more wisely-Only wish I could get that time back..

Zurama

On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 11:52 PM, andrewhallcutler <AndyCutler@...>wrote:

>

>

>

>

>

> > > >

> > > > Hi

> > > >

> > > > Would it be save to be on chelating therapy for a 3years child with

> > > autism and

> > > >at the same time undergo HBOT!? My concern is if the process of

> > > oxygenation of

> > > >blood and tissue resulting from HBOT could interfere with any deposits

> of

> > > heavy

> > > >metals or the way chelating agent would work.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks

> > > >

> > >

> > >