Challenge Testing File and Transdermal File

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In a message dated 01/02/2010 00:08:31 GMT Standard Time,

mercurybabies2@... writes:

Transdermal chelation: Andy and Jaquelyn McCandless have both said that

dmsa and dmps is not stable in transdermal solution. It oxidizes to quickly.

Only ALA could be used in a transdermal cream. The link to their posts

stating this is in the Transdermal document I uploaded.

>>I am using TD DMPS with good results even the same month as its sell by

date, this is the original from AMT/College FWIW on Cutler protocol 100+

rounds with DMSA/ALA, just using TD DMPS for sleep purposes now I am single

working parent and have funding to cover the cost

Mandi in UK

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In a message dated 01/02/2010 00:30:47 GMT Standard Time,

mrossgrp@... writes:

A urine sample _may_ or _may not_ show significant levels of metals at

the end of a Cutler round. If you are trying to prove something (mostly

to yourself), then it is NOT worth the risk of a false negative, which

will have all sorts of drastic health consequences.

>>We tested in the beginning and got zero at the end of a round, we always

had the highest pulls - in testing - by collecting 8 hours post first

dose, that was 4.00pm Friday, he was asleep by 8, we collcted first morning

urine and used that FWIW

Mandi in UK

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I just uploaded two files to share with this group from my own regarding

information on Challenge testing and Transdermal chelation.

These are usually the first questions for new members because they are so common

among DAN doctors and some other physicians. Parents really to know more before

consenting to either of these things.

I can't stress enough the potential dangers of Challenge testing with DMSA or

DMPS. I have spoken to many adults who got pretty sick from doing this. As well

as parents who report horrible regressions. This is due to the high dose that is

used and given one time.

There is a way to satisfy the doctors need to see a Challenge test even though

the information isn't really diagnostically significant. You can collect the

urine sample at the end of a low frequent dose Andy Cutler round. This is often

enough to show metals are coming out to satisfy the doctor and insurance company

in prescribing the dmsa.

Transdermal chelation: Andy and Jaquelyn McCandless have both said that dmsa and

dmps is not stable in transdermal solution. It oxidizes to quickly. Only ALA

could be used in a transdermal cream. The link to their posts stating this is in

the Transdermal document I uploaded.

When in doubt...all new parents should search their questions on the archives on

Onibasu.com. Andy has at one time answered just about all of them.

Hope this helps!

Jan

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Jan wrote:

>

>

> I just uploaded two files to share with this group from my own

> regarding information on Challenge testing and Transdermal chelation.

> These are usually the first questions for new members because they are

> so common among DAN doctors and some other physicians. Parents really

> to know more before consenting to either of these things.

> I can't stress enough the potential dangers of Challenge testing with

> DMSA or DMPS. I have spoken to many adults who got pretty sick from

> doing this. As well as parents who report horrible regressions. This

> is due to the high dose that is used and given one time.

>

> There is a way to satisfy the doctors need to see a Challenge test

> even though the information isn't really diagnostically significant.

> You can collect the urine sample at the end of a low frequent dose

> Andy Cutler round. This is often enough to show metals are coming out

> to satisfy the doctor and insurance company in prescribing the dmsa.

>

DMSA is a non prescription item, so there is no one to " satisfy " .

A urine sample _may_ or _may not_ show significant levels of metals at

the end of a Cutler round. If you are trying to prove something (mostly

to yourself), then it is NOT worth the risk of a false negative, which

will have all sorts of drastic health consequences.

So, per Andy: " When in doubt " , chelate. Then observe symptoms. If

nothing happens after several rounds, move on.

>

>

> Transdermal chelation: Andy and Jaquelyn McCandless have both said

> that dmsa and dmps is not stable in transdermal solution. It oxidizes

> to quickly. Only ALA could be used in a transdermal cream. The link to

> their posts stating this is in the Transdermal document I uploaded.

>

> When in doubt...all new parents should search their questions on the

> archives on Onibasu.com. Andy has at one time answered just about all

> of them.

> Hope this helps!

> Jan

>