Guest guest Posted April 17, 2010 Report Share Posted April 17, 2010 That is the best way: open capsules in to a pile and divide in half with a knife. For us, it wasn't critically important to have exactly 12.5 mgs per dose. Getting possibly 13mgs in one dose and 12mgs in another wasn't a big deal over here. Pam > > I was wondering if anyone has some advice on dividing up a 25 mg DMSA capsule in half. I was thinking I could empty out the capsules then divide it into two equal parts. Is this is good enough, or is there a better way. > > Thank you > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2010 Report Share Posted April 17, 2010 I thought Cutler dose was very wide anyway - 1/4 to 1/2 mg per lb body weight - so cant u be miles out but still be within his specification? From: phaselow@... Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2010 19:12:53 +0000 Subject: [ ] Re: How to divide up a DMSA capsules in half? That is the best way: open capsules in to a pile and divide in half with a knife. For us, it wasn't critically important to have exactly 12.5 mgs per dose. Getting possibly 13mgs in one dose and 12mgs in another wasn't a big deal over here. Pam > > I was wondering if anyone has some advice on dividing up a 25 mg DMSA capsule in half. I was thinking I could empty out the capsules then divide it into two equal parts. Is this is good enough, or is there a better way. > > Thank you > _________________________________________________________________ http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/195013117/direct/01/ We want to hear all your funny, exciting and crazy Hotmail stories. Tell us now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2010 Report Share Posted April 17, 2010 B wrote: > I thought Cutler dose was very wide anyway - 1/4 to 1/2 mg per lb body weight - so cant u be miles out but still be within his specification? > No. Once you have chosen a dose, you must stick with it throughout a round, or risk redistribution. > > > > > From: phaselow@... > Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2010 19:12:53 +0000 > Subject: [ ] Re: How to divide up a DMSA capsules in half? > > > > > > That is the best way: open capsules in to a pile and divide in half with a knife. For us, it wasn't critically important to have exactly 12.5 mgs per dose. Getting possibly 13mgs in one dose and 12mgs in another wasn't a big deal over here. > > Pam > > > >> I was wondering if anyone has some advice on dividing up a 25 mg DMSA capsule in half. I was thinking I could empty out the capsules then divide it into two equal parts. Is this is good enough, or is there a better way. >> >> Thank you >> >> > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/195013117/direct/01/ > We want to hear all your funny, exciting and crazy Hotmail stories. Tell us now > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2010 Report Share Posted April 17, 2010 HI MIchael Thanks for correcting me The next question is of course how accurate do u need to be? Becasue im sure u know in science it is impossible to be perfect, eg nothing is perfectly flat, and nothing is really half We have just (in ignorance) been doing it by eye - half of each capsule (12.5 mg) of ALA and DMSA given every 3 hours From: mrossgrp@... Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2010 16:19:32 -0400 Subject: Re: [ ] Re: How to divide up a DMSA capsules in half? B wrote: > I thought Cutler dose was very wide anyway - 1/4 to 1/2 mg per lb body weight - so cant u be miles out but still be within his specification? > No. Once you have chosen a dose, you must stick with it throughout a round, or risk redistribution. > > > > > From: phaselow@... > Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2010 19:12:53 +0000 > Subject: [ ] Re: How to divide up a DMSA capsules in half? > > > > > > That is the best way: open capsules in to a pile and divide in half with a knife. For us, it wasn't critically important to have exactly 12.5 mgs per dose. Getting possibly 13mgs in one dose and 12mgs in another wasn't a big deal over here. > > Pam > > > >> I was wondering if anyone has some advice on dividing up a 25 mg DMSA capsule in half. I was thinking I could empty out the capsules then divide it into two equal parts. Is this is good enough, or is there a better way. >> >> Thank you >> >> > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/195013117/direct/01/ > We want to hear all your funny, exciting and crazy Hotmail stories. Tell us now > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2010 Report Share Posted April 17, 2010 and we are as we speak half way through the 4th round (4th weekend) From: peter_2_@... autism treatment Subject: RE: [ ] Re: How to divide up a DMSA capsules in half? Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2010 20:25:41 +0000 HI MIchael Thanks for correcting me The next question is of course how accurate do u need to be? Becasue im sure u know in science it is impossible to be perfect, eg nothing is perfectly flat, and nothing is really half We have just (in ignorance) been doing it by eye - half of each capsule (12.5 mg) of ALA and DMSA given every 3 hours From: mrossgrp@... Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2010 16:19:32 -0400 Subject: Re: [ ] Re: How to divide up a DMSA capsules in half? B wrote: > I thought Cutler dose was very wide anyway - 1/4 to 1/2 mg per lb body weight - so cant u be miles out but still be within his specification? > No. Once you have chosen a dose, you must stick with it throughout a round, or risk redistribution. > > > > > From: phaselow@... > Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2010 19:12:53 +0000 > Subject: [ ] Re: How to divide up a DMSA capsules in half? > > > > > > That is the best way: open capsules in to a pile and divide in half with a knife. For us, it wasn't critically important to have exactly 12.5 mgs per dose. Getting possibly 13mgs in one dose and 12mgs in another wasn't a big deal over here. > > Pam > > > >> I was wondering if anyone has some advice on dividing up a 25 mg DMSA capsule in half. I was thinking I could empty out the capsules then divide it into two equal parts. Is this is good enough, or is there a better way. >> >> Thank you >> >> > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/195013117/direct/01/ > We want to hear all your funny, exciting and crazy Hotmail stories. Tell us now > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2010 Report Share Posted April 17, 2010 B wrote: > HI MIchael > > > > Thanks for correcting me > > > > The next question is of course how accurate do u need to be? > Apparently there can be +/- 20% variation in the caps themselves already, so any errors introduced by dividing compound this. The two methods below will actually average out variations in cap weight. > > Becasue im sure u know in science it is impossible to be perfect, eg nothing is perfectly flat, and nothing is really half > Andy Cutler has never endorsed the " razorblade on mirror " approach. There are two schools of thought here. Andy recommends a filler approach: Mixing each cap with an edible acidic powder such as ascorbic acid to fill a teaspoon measure, filling a jar with a good number of teaspoons, mixing the mixture thoroughly, then taking 1/2 teaspoon (which contains 1/2 cap) in some OJ. Details:. http://onibasu.com/archives/am/262235.html I myself recommend the microgram scale approach, which allows you to " repackage " in capsules and requires less frequent splitting sessions (powder in a big container spoils more readily than in caps): http://onibasu.com/archives/am/237321.html > > > We have just (in ignorance) been doing it by eye - half of each capsule (12.5 mg) of ALA and DMSA given every 3 hours > > > > > > From: mrossgrp@... > Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2010 16:19:32 -0400 > Subject: Re: [ ] Re: How to divide up a DMSA capsules in half? > > > > > > B wrote: > >> I thought Cutler dose was very wide anyway - 1/4 to 1/2 mg per lb body weight - so cant u be miles out but still be within his specification? >> >> > No. Once you have chosen a dose, you must stick with it throughout a > round, or risk redistribution. > > > > >> >> >> From: phaselow@... >> Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2010 19:12:53 +0000 >> Subject: [ ] Re: How to divide up a DMSA capsules in half? >> >> >> >> >> >> That is the best way: open capsules in to a pile and divide in half with a knife. For us, it wasn't critically important to have exactly 12.5 mgs per dose. Getting possibly 13mgs in one dose and 12mgs in another wasn't a big deal over here. >> >> Pam >> >> >> >> >>> I was wondering if anyone has some advice on dividing up a 25 mg DMSA capsule in half. I was thinking I could empty out the capsules then divide it into two equal parts. Is this is good enough, or is there a better way. >>> >>> Thank you >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> __________________________________________________________ >> http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/195013117/direct/01/ >> We want to hear all your funny, exciting and crazy Hotmail stories. Tell us now >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2010 Report Share Posted April 17, 2010 This is news to me. I guess I learned something new today. I always just did it this way and never had an issue as far as I can tell. Why would this be inaccurate? Pam > > > Andy Cutler has never endorsed the " razorblade on mirror " approach. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2010 Report Share Posted April 17, 2010 +/- 20% by volume of active or passive ingredients, or do u mean +/- 20% strength of active or passive ingredients, or +/- 20% concentration etc ? How about the amount left inside the caps or inside the liquid when you give it Or the difference in the amounts digested or excreted Seems to me taking half a capsule for each dose is giving approx 12.5 mg and no amount of mixing or remixing is gonna help. You dont even know how well u mix for example From: mrossgrp@... Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2010 17:05:40 -0400 Subject: Re: [ ] Re: How to divide up a DMSA capsules in half? B wrote: > HI MIchael > > > > Thanks for correcting me > > > > The next question is of course how accurate do u need to be? > Apparently there can be +/- 20% variation in the caps themselves already, so any errors introduced by dividing compound this. The two methods below will actually average out variations in cap weight. > > Becasue im sure u know in science it is impossible to be perfect, eg nothing is perfectly flat, and nothing is really half > Andy Cutler has never endorsed the " razorblade on mirror " approach. There are two schools of thought here. Andy recommends a filler approach: Mixing each cap with an edible acidic powder such as ascorbic acid to fill a teaspoon measure, filling a jar with a good number of teaspoons, mixing the mixture thoroughly, then taking 1/2 teaspoon (which contains 1/2 cap) in some OJ. Details:. http://onibasu.com/archives/am/262235.html I myself recommend the microgram scale approach, which allows you to " repackage " in capsules and requires less frequent splitting sessions (powder in a big container spoils more readily than in caps): http://onibasu.com/archives/am/237321.html > > > We have just (in ignorance) been doing it by eye - half of each capsule (12.5 mg) of ALA and DMSA given every 3 hours > > > > > > From: mrossgrp@... > Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2010 16:19:32 -0400 > Subject: Re: [ ] Re: How to divide up a DMSA capsules in half? > > > > > > B wrote: > >> I thought Cutler dose was very wide anyway - 1/4 to 1/2 mg per lb body weight - so cant u be miles out but still be within his specification? >> >> > No. Once you have chosen a dose, you must stick with it throughout a > round, or risk redistribution. > > > > >> >> >> From: phaselow@... >> Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2010 19:12:53 +0000 >> Subject: [ ] Re: How to divide up a DMSA capsules in half? >> >> >> >> >> >> That is the best way: open capsules in to a pile and divide in half with a knife. For us, it wasn't critically important to have exactly 12.5 mgs per dose. Getting possibly 13mgs in one dose and 12mgs in another wasn't a big deal over here. >> >> Pam >> >> >> >> >>> I was wondering if anyone has some advice on dividing up a 25 mg DMSA capsule in half. I was thinking I could empty out the capsules then divide it into two equal parts. Is this is good enough, or is there a better way. >>> >>> Thank you >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> __________________________________________________________ >> http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/195013117/direct/01/ >> We want to hear all your funny, exciting and crazy Hotmail stories. Tell us now >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2010 Report Share Posted April 17, 2010 Pam, I am searching thru my Andy folder because I saved this exact question about 2 years ago; hopefully I saved it. He said once you find that dose that's within the dosage guideline, get the dose as close as possible and that the most important thing was maintaining a constant blood level (of the chelator). I believe it may be on MORIAM also; I think??? http://home.earthlink.net/~moriam/ANDY_INDEX.html HTH, S. ________________________________ From: Pamela H <phaselow@...> Sent: Sat, April 17, 2010 6:07:50 PM Subject: [ ] Re: How to divide up a DMSA capsules in half? This is news to me. I guess I learned something new today. I always just did it this way and never had an issue as far as I can tell. Why would this be inaccurate? Pam > > > Andy Cutler has never endorsed the " razorblade on mirror " approach. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2010 Report Share Posted April 17, 2010 B wrote: > +/- 20% by volume of active or passive ingredients, or do u mean +/- 20% strength of active or passive ingredients, or +/- 20% concentration etc ? > Per the FDA, there can be +/- 20% variation of active ingredient weight per dose. This would include variation in amount of active ingredient per batch (ratio of active to filler ingredients) as well as variation in individual cap weight inclusive of fillers (how much powder per cap). The " strength " is immaterial in powder: 12.5 mg ALA is 12.5 mg ALA. It's an absolute amount. > > > How about the amount left inside the caps or inside the liquid when you give it > Insignificant > > > Or the difference in the amounts digested or excreted > This is not going to change drastically over the course of one round. > > > Seems to me taking half a capsule for each dose is giving approx 12.5 mg and no amount of mixing or remixing is gonna help. If there is variation between caps, remixing 100 caps will average them out. > You dont even know how well u mix for example > The instructions are pretty specific: 10 minutes rolling the jar around on the desk. This is as good as the compound pharmacies get. > > > > > > > > > From: mrossgrp@... > Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2010 17:05:40 -0400 > Subject: Re: [ ] Re: How to divide up a DMSA capsules in half? > > > > > > B wrote: > >> HI MIchael >> >> >> >> Thanks for correcting me >> >> >> >> The next question is of course how accurate do u need to be? >> >> > > Apparently there can be +/- 20% variation in the caps themselves > already, so any errors introduced by dividing compound this. The two > methods below will actually average out variations in cap weight. > >> Becasue im sure u know in science it is impossible to be perfect, eg nothing is perfectly flat, and nothing is really half >> >> > > Andy Cutler has never endorsed the " razorblade on mirror " approach. > > There are two schools of thought here. > > Andy recommends a filler approach: Mixing each cap with an edible acidic > powder such as ascorbic acid to fill a teaspoon measure, filling a jar > with a good number of teaspoons, mixing the mixture thoroughly, then > taking 1/2 teaspoon (which contains 1/2 cap) in some OJ. Details:. > http://onibasu.com/archives/am/262235.html > > I myself recommend the microgram scale approach, which allows you to > " repackage " in capsules and requires less frequent splitting sessions > (powder in a big container spoils more readily than in caps): > http://onibasu.com/archives/am/237321.html > > > > >> We have just (in ignorance) been doing it by eye - half of each capsule (12.5 mg) of ALA and DMSA given every 3 hours >> >> >> >> >> >> From: mrossgrp@... >> Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2010 16:19:32 -0400 >> Subject: Re: [ ] Re: How to divide up a DMSA capsules in half? >> >> >> >> >> >> B wrote: >> >> >>> I thought Cutler dose was very wide anyway - 1/4 to 1/2 mg per lb body weight - so cant u be miles out but still be within his specification? >>> >>> >>> >> No. Once you have chosen a dose, you must stick with it throughout a >> round, or risk redistribution. >> >> >> >> >> >>> >>> From: phaselow@... >>> Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2010 19:12:53 +0000 >>> Subject: [ ] Re: How to divide up a DMSA capsules in half? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> That is the best way: open capsules in to a pile and divide in half with a knife. For us, it wasn't critically important to have exactly 12.5 mgs per dose. Getting possibly 13mgs in one dose and 12mgs in another wasn't a big deal over here. >>> >>> Pam >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> I was wondering if anyone has some advice on dividing up a 25 mg DMSA capsule in half. I was thinking I could empty out the capsules then divide it into two equal parts. Is this is good enough, or is there a better way. >>>> >>>> Thank you >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> __________________________________________________________ >>> http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/195013117/direct/01/ >>> We want to hear all your funny, exciting and crazy Hotmail stories. Tell us now >>> >>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2010 Report Share Posted April 17, 2010 Pamela H wrote: > > This is news to me. I guess I learned something new today. I always > just did it this way and never had an issue as far as I can tell. Why > would this be inaccurate? > - relying on visual skills instead of measuring - dividing a three-dimentional heap in two dimensions (the heap is _never_ flat) > > Pam > > > > > > > Andy Cutler has never endorsed the " razorblade on mirror " approach. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2010 Report Share Posted April 17, 2010 I read on this board (some time ago) that for ALA - you can open and dump a capsule (25 mg) into let's say 20 ml of pear juice. You can then take 4 ml (using one of those plastic syringes that you get at the pharmacy to give liquid medication to babies) - that gives you 5 mg of ALA per dose. You do have to really mix and shake the liquid every time right before you take 4 ml. ________________________________ From: B <peter_2_@...> autism mercury <autism treatment > Sent: Sat, April 17, 2010 4:27:07 PM Subject: RE: [ ] Re: How to divide up a DMSA capsules in half? and we are as we speak half way through the 4th round (4th weekend) From: peter_2_@... autism treatment Subject: RE: [ ] Re: How to divide up a DMSA capsules in half? Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2010 20:25:41 +0000 HI MIchael Thanks for correcting me The next question is of course how accurate do u need to be? Becasueim sure u know in science it is impossible to be perfect, eg nothing is perfectly flat, and nothing is really half We have just (in ignorance) been doing it by eye - half of each capsule (12.5 mg) of ALA and DMSA given every 3 hours From: mrossgrp@... Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2010 16:19:32 -0400 Subject: Re: [ ] Re: How to divide up a DMSA capsules in half? B wrote: > I thought Cutler dose was very wide anyway - 1/4 to 1/2 mg per lb body weight - so cant u be miles out but still be within his specification? > No. Once you have chosen a dose, you must stick with it throughout a round, or risk redistribution. > > > > > From: phaselow@... > Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2010 19:12:53 +0000 > Subject: [ ] Re: How to divide up a DMSA capsules in half? > > > > > > That is the best way: open capsules in to a pile and divide in half with a knife. For us, it wasn't critically important to have exactly 12.5 mgs per dose. Getting possibly 13mgs in one dose and 12mgs in another wasn't a big deal over here. > > Pam > > > >> I was wondering if anyone has some advice on dividing up a 25 mg DMSA capsule in half. I was thinking I could empty out the capsules then divide it into two equal parts. Is this is good enough, or is there a better way. >> >> Thank you >> >> > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/195013117/direct/01/ > We want to hear all your funny, exciting and crazy Hotmail stories. Tell us now > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2010 Report Share Posted April 17, 2010 Thank you for your response,very helpful! I guess I need to buy a scale. > >> > >> > >>> I was wondering if anyone has some advice on dividing up a 25 mg DMSA capsule in half. I was thinking I could empty out the capsules then divide it into two equal parts. Is this is good enough, or is there a better way. > >>> > >>> Thank you > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> __________________________________________________________ > >> http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/195013117/direct/01/ > >> We want to hear all your funny, exciting and crazy Hotmail stories. Tell us now > >> > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2010 Report Share Posted April 17, 2010 How do you check that you are mantaining a constant blood level of the chelator? Thank you! > > > > > Andy Cutler has never endorsed the " razorblade on mirror " approach. > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2010 Report Share Posted April 17, 2010 Hi, In one of the index posts on Moriam, Andy says " The half life of DMSA in children is well established in the literature by direct measurement of blood levels. It is 2.5 to 3.5 hours, depending on the individual, not 8 hours. " So I took that to mean to maintain a constant blood level of the chelator, you have to dose according to the frequent-dose schedule. Someone else may be able to provide more clarity. HTH, S. ________________________________ From: mimoza_mali <m.mat31@...> Sent: Sat, April 17, 2010 8:24:02 PM Subject: [ ] Re: How to divide up a DMSA capsules in half?  How do you check that you are mantaining a constant blood level of the chelator? Thank you! > > > > > Andy Cutler has never endorsed the " razorblade on mirror " approach. > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2010 Report Share Posted April 17, 2010 > > I read on this board (some time ago) that for ALA - you can open and dump a capsule (25 mg) into let's say 20 ml of pear juice. You can then take 4 ml (using one of those plastic syringes that you get at the pharmacy to give liquid medication to babies) - that gives you 5 mg of ALA per dose. You do have to really mix and shake the liquid every time right before you take 4 ml. > Lena, this is from Andy about 5 years ago so he may have a different preference now. http://onibasu.com/archives/am/137858.html Q3. Also can we mix these two chelators? I am currently compounding DSMA daily in a suspension liquid and the ALA is already compounded in a liquid form. It is fine to mix them. Make sure the mixture is a bit sour/tart, which is to say acid. A drop of vinegar or lemon juice will do it. Lena, elsewhere I understand that Andy recommended that people not mix more than a 1 day supply. A different source recommended that if the R form of ALA is used, it should be refrigerated but I don't have a link. I don't think the R form is preferred since there have not been as many studies that have used it. In my limited personal experience with it I agree that you have to shake it before pouring it. I am certainly not recommending this method over a scale. It seems the scale, if you have access to it, would be more accurate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2010 Report Share Posted April 17, 2010 Lena, I heard someone advise against using grapefruit juice. These are also from Andy. http://onibasu.com/archives/am/138034.html Sour and tart are the words that people use to describe the taste of acidity. DMSA is stabilized against air oxidation by acidifying the solution it is in - you want to have the DMSA in a sour/ tart liquid because then it will last longer. You can make it as sweet as you want as long as it is also sour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2010 Report Share Posted April 17, 2010 Some people can become quite anal about measuring exact doses. I've given about 2,000 doses during chelation and I made my best guess with every dose. I pour some out of the capsules until it appears I have the right amount. This has always been good enough, no ill effects and all of the horrible autistic behaviors are now ancient history. > > > >> I was wondering if anyone has some advice on dividing up a 25 mg DMSA capsule in half. I was thinking I could empty out the capsules then divide it into two equal parts. Is this is good enough, or is there a better way. > >> > >> Thank you > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/195013117/direct/01/ > > We want to hear all your funny, exciting and crazy Hotmail stories. Tell us now > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2010 Report Share Posted April 18, 2010 I agree - we are exhausted as it is From: bettwice33@... Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2010 04:05:02 +0000 Subject: [ ] Re: How to divide up a DMSA capsules in half? Some people can become quite anal about measuring exact doses. I've given about 2,000 doses during chelation and I made my best guess with every dose. I pour some out of the capsules until it appears I have the right amount. This has always been good enough, no ill effects and all of the horrible autistic behaviors are now ancient history. > > > >> I was wondering if anyone has some advice on dividing up a 25 mg DMSA capsule in half. I was thinking I could empty out the capsules then divide it into two equal parts. Is this is good enough, or is there a better way. > >> > >> Thank you > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > > http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/195013117/direct/01/ > > We want to hear all your funny, exciting and crazy Hotmail stories. Tell us now > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2010 Report Share Posted April 18, 2010 The " nothing's happened so far so it must be OK " mentality is a very dangerous one. We have seen this with all kinds of harmful chelation protocols. There are people who do crazy, illogical things every day and get away with it. Andy would say, I think, that it all boils down to probabilities. He also does say frequency is more important than dosage. I do wish he would share more of the science behind this instead of asking for our suspension of disbelief. There is a big difference between simply geeting all one's ducks in a row given the science, and obsessing on every little detail. Anxiety, fear and exhaustion all lead to bad decisions. B wrote: > I agree - we are exhausted as it is > > > > > From: bettwice33@... > Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2010 04:05:02 +0000 > Subject: [ ] Re: How to divide up a DMSA capsules in half? > > > > > > Some people can become quite anal about measuring exact doses. I've given about 2,000 doses during chelation and I made my best guess with every dose. I pour some out of the capsules until it appears I have the right amount. This has always been good enough, no ill effects and all of the horrible autistic behaviors are now ancient history. > > >>> >>> >>>> I was wondering if anyone has some advice on dividing up a 25 mg DMSA capsule in half. I was thinking I could empty out the capsules then divide it into two equal parts. Is this is good enough, or is there a better way. >>>> >>>> Thank you >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> __________________________________________________________ >>> http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/195013117/direct/01/ >>> We want to hear all your funny, exciting and crazy Hotmail stories. Tell us now >>> >>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2010 Report Share Posted April 18, 2010 Mr.Best, > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>> I was wondering if anyone has some advice on dividing up a 25 mg DMSA capsule in half. I was thinking I could empty out the capsules then divide it into two equal parts. Is this is good enough, or is there a better way. > > >>>> > > >>>> Thank you > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> __________________________________________________________ > > >>> http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/195013117/direct/01/ > > >>> We want to hear all your funny, exciting and crazy Hotmail stories. Tell us now > > >>> > > >>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2010 Report Share Posted April 18, 2010 I'm a dumper, too. It has never done me wrong. > > > > > >> I was wondering if anyone has some advice on dividing up a 25 mg DMSA capsule in half. I was thinking I could empty out the capsules then divide it into two equal parts. Is this is good enough, or is there a better way. > > >> > > >> Thank you > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/195013117/direct/01/ > > > We want to hear all your funny, exciting and crazy Hotmail stories. Tell us now > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2010 Report Share Posted April 18, 2010 , Thanks for pointing out that if the doses are kept CLOSE to constant, the damage will be minimized. That means you agree with me. People do not need to know what THINKS he knows. They only need to know what Andy knows. 's insistence that every dose of a chelator be weighed on a scale to have them EXACTLY perfect is absurd. You just said so. It's good you're not the moderator or you'd be throwing out everyone who agrees with you. > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>>> I was wondering if anyone has some advice on dividing up a 25 mg DMSA capsule in half. I was thinking I could empty out the capsules then divide it into two equal parts. Is this is good enough, or is there a better way. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Thank you > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> __________________________________________________________ > > > >>> http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/195013117/direct/01/ > > > >>> We want to hear all your funny, exciting and crazy Hotmail stories. Tell us now > > > >>> > > > >>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2010 Report Share Posted April 18, 2010 I am new in this forum and I am so greateful that there are people like Micheal, who take the time and share thier knowledge and epxerience with us, sometime repeating themselves over and over just so we, the new parents become more confident that we have chosen the right path to our childrens' recovery. Please respect our needs for seeking what's best for our children. There is room for eveyone's opinion and it's up to us to choose how to proceed. -thank you very much for your dedication to this forum. I hope I day I will give back to this forum. Best, Mimoza > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>>> I was wondering if anyone has some advice on dividing up a 25 mg DMSA capsule in half. I was thinking I could empty out the capsules then divide it into two equal parts. Is this is good enough, or is there a better way. > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> Thank you > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> __________________________________________________________ > > > > >>> http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/195013117/direct/01/ > > > > >>> We want to hear all your funny, exciting and crazy Hotmail stories. Tell us now > > > > >>> > > > > >>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2010 Report Share Posted April 18, 2010 I thought I had read to eye ball the amount and that was fine. I simply am splitting in half or thirds, 25 mg depending on child. So I take three empty capsules or two, and pour. When I empty a 25 mg, I use them up too. No waste. I could be wrong, but I thought Andy said to do your best and it was fine. Maybe he'll chime in here. Tammy [ ] Re: How to divide up a DMSA capsules in half? , In prescribing drugs that are based on weight to determine the dose, ranges of weight are used. For instance, people who weigh between 130 and 160 might be prescribed the same pill. No doctor ever decides that a 130 pound person should get exactly 87 mg of a standard pill while the 160 pound person should get exactly 104 mgs. A standard 100 mg pill is good enough. A severely anal retentive person may feel the need to calculate how quickly this pill would do the job and could probably determine that the 130 pound person would show improvement in symptoms exactly one minute and twenty three seconds sooner than the 160 pound person receiving the same dose If you had any common sense, you could go to your little scale and measure out exactly one mg and look at it in relation to the person you are going to give it to. Let's say the patient weighs 150 pounds and you are giving him 75 mgs. Now compare the one mg to the 75 mgs and tell me that miniscule amount is going to make any difference. You are using arguments to absurdity and trying to scare parents into believing that this is a lot more difficult than it actually is. You have no clue what you are talking about and my experience with 2,000 doses of ALA and no problems at all proves that you are only here to be a nuisance. For the sake of people who don't need your absurd use of logic, please` stop giving out inane advice. > >>> > >>> > >>>> I was wondering if anyone has some advice on dividing up a 25 mg DMSA capsule in half. I was thinking I could empty out the capsules then divide it into two equal parts. Is this is good enough, or is there a better way. > >>>> > >>>> Thank you > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> __________________________________________________________ > >>> http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/195013117/direct/01/ > >>> We want to hear all your funny, exciting and crazy Hotmail stories. Tell us now > >>> > >>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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