RE: New to list: Essential Supplements during Natural Chelation

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What's " Natural Chelation "

TJ

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From: " dawn.mcintyre@... " <dawn.mcintyre@...>

Sent: Thu, February 4, 2010 3:01:19 AM

Subject: [ ] New to list: Essential Supplements during Natural

Chelation

 

Hi,

My 6 year old ASD son has been under a strict high dose DAN!

protocol for the past 3 years. My question is, what tests are

required with natural chelation to check on metal excretion and that

the child's body is not under any stress from the protocol? Do I need

a doctor to do natural chelation?

Below is a list supplements that my son is currently taking, which

are essential and which ones can I drop? SUPPLEMENT LIST: nutrigold

aloe vera juice/liquid - 40mls

amino acids - 20g

Acidophilus and Bifidus (adult forula cp-1)

movicol

vsl#3

oxypowder - (adjusted as needed) 5htp - 2caps 2xday selenium - 3

drops evening primrose 1/4 tsp 2xday DMG - 375mg

molybdenum - 1000iug

biotin-8 - 8000mcg

vit c - a pinch 2xday taurine - 1000mg

acetyl L carnitine - 1000mg

bio-gest

milk thistle

co Q 10 - 30mg

calcium EAP2 - 600mg

monolauren - 600mg

bio magnesium - 400mg

N.A.G. - 2000mg

zinc - 50mg

nystatin powder

biobotanical biocidin

vit B6 - 100mg

folinic acid with B12 - 400mcg folic and 6mcg B12

P-5-P with magnesium - 225mg

transfer factor

super EPA

vit K2 drops

brainchild vitamins - 30ml

brainchild minerals - 30ml spatone iron miner All artemesia annua

- 800mg

alpha ketoglutaric acid 600mg vit D3 drops - 1 drop daily CLO - 1/2

tsp TTFD cream - 1/2ml GSH cream - 1/2ml LDN cream - 3 lines/0.3mg -

nightly MB12 shots - every third night Oral DMSA - fortnightly

Thyadine drops (1 drop daily) Dawn

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The TTFD cream is toxic. Taking DMSA every 3rd night will lead to long term

worsening. DMSA must be taken at 4h intervals or less.

J

>

>

>

> Hi,

> My 6 year old ASD son has been under a strict high dose DAN!

> protocol for the past 3 years. My question is, what tests are

> required with natural chelation to check on metal excretion and that

> the child's body is not under any stress from the protocol? Do I need

> a doctor to do natural chelation?

> Below is a list supplements that my son is currently taking, which

> are essential and which ones can I drop? SUPPLEMENT LIST: nutrigold

> aloe vera juice/liquid - 40mls

> amino acids - 20g

> Acidophilus and Bifidus (adult forula cp-1)

> movicol

> vsl#3

> oxypowder - (adjusted as needed) 5htp - 2caps 2xday selenium - 3

> drops evening primrose 1/4 tsp 2xday DMG - 375mg

> molybdenum - 1000iug

> biotin-8 - 8000mcg

> vit c - a pinch 2xday taurine - 1000mg

> acetyl L carnitine - 1000mg

> bio-gest

> milk thistle

> co Q 10 - 30mg

> calcium EAP2 - 600mg

> monolauren - 600mg

> bio magnesium - 400mg

> N.A.G. - 2000mg

> zinc - 50mg

> nystatin powder

> biobotanical biocidin

> vit B6 - 100mg

> folinic acid with B12 - 400mcg folic and 6mcg B12

> P-5-P with magnesium - 225mg

> transfer factor

> super EPA

> vit K2 drops

> brainchild vitamins - 30ml

> brainchild minerals - 30ml spatone iron miner All artemesia annua

> - 800mg

> alpha ketoglutaric acid 600mg vit D3 drops - 1 drop daily CLO - 1/2

> tsp TTFD cream - 1/2ml GSH cream - 1/2ml LDN cream - 3 lines/0.3mg -

> nightly MB12 shots - every third night Oral DMSA - fortnightly

> Thyadine drops (1 drop daily) Dawn

>

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Hi ,

I meant to say the Oral DMSA was being administered 3 days on, 11 days off.

I have now stopped the TTFD.

I have only just noticed the supplement list in the files sections which was

most helpful.

I will be ordering Andy Cutlers book to have a further read. I am just so

concerned now at the amount of supplements my son takes and want to narrow it

down as much as possible. A lot of the ones I listed were recommended on our

practitioners advice rather than on the basis of them making a difference to my

child's body.

Thanks again for the advice.

Dawn

> >

> >

> >

> > Hi,

> > My 6 year old ASD son has been under a strict high dose DAN!

> > protocol for the past 3 years. My question is, what tests are

> > required with natural chelation to check on metal excretion and that

> > the child's body is not under any stress from the protocol? Do I need

> > a doctor to do natural chelation?

> > Below is a list supplements that my son is currently taking, which

> > are essential and which ones can I drop? SUPPLEMENT LIST: nutrigold

> > aloe vera juice/liquid - 40mls

> > amino acids - 20g

> > Acidophilus and Bifidus (adult forula cp-1)

> > movicol

> > vsl#3

> > oxypowder - (adjusted as needed) 5htp - 2caps 2xday selenium - 3

> > drops evening primrose 1/4 tsp 2xday DMG - 375mg

> > molybdenum - 1000iug

> > biotin-8 - 8000mcg

> > vit c - a pinch 2xday taurine - 1000mg

> > acetyl L carnitine - 1000mg

> > bio-gest

> > milk thistle

> > co Q 10 - 30mg

> > calcium EAP2 - 600mg

> > monolauren - 600mg

> > bio magnesium - 400mg

> > N.A.G. - 2000mg

> > zinc - 50mg

> > nystatin powder

> > biobotanical biocidin

> > vit B6 - 100mg

> > folinic acid with B12 - 400mcg folic and 6mcg B12

> > P-5-P with magnesium - 225mg

> > transfer factor

> > super EPA

> > vit K2 drops

> > brainchild vitamins - 30ml

> > brainchild minerals - 30ml spatone iron miner All artemesia annua

> > - 800mg

> > alpha ketoglutaric acid 600mg vit D3 drops - 1 drop daily CLO - 1/2

> > tsp TTFD cream - 1/2ml GSH cream - 1/2ml LDN cream - 3 lines/0.3mg -

> > nightly MB12 shots - every third night Oral DMSA - fortnightly

> > Thyadine drops (1 drop daily) Dawn

> >

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> >

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My dr uses Great Plains Lab - Metals Urine Test.....

ANN

P.S. How do you affort all those supps.....that is some list!!!! Best to

you and your child....

_____

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On Behalf Of dawn.mcintyre@...

Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 3:01 AM

Subject: [ ] New to list: Essential Supplements during Natural

Chelation

Hi,

My 6 year old ASD son has been under a strict high dose DAN!

protocol for the past 3 years. My question is, what tests are

required with natural chelation to check on metal excretion and that

the child's body is not under any stress from the protocol? Do I need

a doctor to do natural chelation?

Below is a list supplements that my son is currently taking, which

are essential and which ones can I drop? SUPPLEMENT LIST: nutrigold

aloe vera juice/liquid - 40mls

amino acids - 20g

Acidophilus and Bifidus (adult forula cp-1)

movicol

vsl#3

oxypowder - (adjusted as needed) 5htp - 2caps 2xday selenium - 3

drops evening primrose 1/4 tsp 2xday DMG - 375mg

molybdenum - 1000iug

biotin-8 - 8000mcg

vit c - a pinch 2xday taurine - 1000mg

acetyl L carnitine - 1000mg

bio-gest

milk thistle

co Q 10 - 30mg

calcium EAP2 - 600mg

monolauren - 600mg

bio magnesium - 400mg

N.A.G. - 2000mg

zinc - 50mg

nystatin powder

biobotanical biocidin

vit B6 - 100mg

folinic acid with B12 - 400mcg folic and 6mcg B12

P-5-P with magnesium - 225mg

transfer factor

super EPA

vit K2 drops

brainchild vitamins - 30ml

brainchild minerals - 30ml spatone iron miner All artemesia annua

- 800mg

alpha ketoglutaric acid 600mg vit D3 drops - 1 drop daily CLO - 1/2

tsp TTFD cream - 1/2ml GSH cream - 1/2ml LDN cream - 3 lines/0.3mg -

nightly MB12 shots - every third night Oral DMSA - fortnightly

Thyadine drops (1 drop daily) Dawn

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>

>

>

> Hi,

> My 6 year old ASD son has been under a strict high dose DAN!

> protocol for the past 3 years.

I'm sorry.

>My question is, what tests are

> required with natural chelation to check on metal excretion

None.

>and that

> the child's body is not under any stress from the protocol?

No routine tests. If there are obvious problems sometimes tests will be

indicated by the nature of the problems.

Proper chelation is not the harmful, dangerous proposition that the DAN!

protocol is. Since you won't be hurting him all the time you don't have to

constantly test for harm.

>Do I need

> a doctor to do natural chelation?

No. The doctor doesn't climb down your kid's throat and pick up the metal

atoms. The chelator takes care of that - and since alpha lipoic acid is over the

counter it is up to you whether you involve a doctor.

> Below is a list supplements that my son is currently taking, which

> are essential and which ones can I drop? SUPPLEMENT LIST: nutrigold

> aloe vera juice/liquid - 40mls

drop it.

> amino acids - 20g

drop them. Feed him more meat, and digestive enzymes.

> Acidophilus and Bifidus (adult forula cp-1)

Use more.

> movicol

Try using more magnesium instead. E. g. magnesium citrate solution or tablets.

They do the same thing, but more safely and give him magnesium too.

> vsl#3

> oxypowder - (adjusted as needed) 5htp - 2caps 2xday selenium - 3

> drops evening primrose 1/4 tsp 2xday DMG - 375mg

> molybdenum - 1000iug

> biotin-8 - 8000mcg

> vit c - a pinch 2xday

Try a lot 3-4 times a day.

> taurine - 1000mg

> acetyl L carnitine - 1000mg

divide this one throughout the day into 3 or 4 doses.

> bio-gest

> milk thistle

> co Q 10 - 30mg

> calcium EAP2 - 600mg

> monolauren - 600mg

> bio magnesium - 400mg

> N.A.G. - 2000mg

> zinc - 50mg

> nystatin powder

> biobotanical biocidin

> vit B6 - 100mg

> folinic acid with B12 - 400mcg folic and 6mcg B12

> P-5-P with magnesium - 225mg

> transfer factor

> super EPA

> vit K2 drops

> brainchild vitamins - 30ml

> brainchild minerals - 30ml spatone iron miner All artemesia annua

> - 800mg

> alpha ketoglutaric acid 600mg vit D3 drops - 1 drop daily CLO - 1/2

> tsp TTFD cream - 1/2ml

Stop the poisonous TTFD. If you think it helps, use benfotiamin (from

www.vrp.com or other sources) instead. It isn't poisonous.

> GSH cream - 1/2ml LDN cream - 3 lines/0.3mg -

> nightly MB12 shots - every third night Oral DMSA - fortnightly

Do not use DMSA randomly. Either use it every 4 hours or not at all. 4 hours

means day and night for at least 3 days in a row.

> Thyadine drops (1 drop daily) Dawn

This is very trendy but any form of iodine works just as well. Iodine is well

absorbed.

This regimen is overly complex and very trendy, but with the exceptions noted

above, reasonable and sound. If you don't want to put a lot of effort into

rearranging it, it is fine as it stands. If you want it simpler and cheaper

that can be done. BTW, your doctor is one of the few who understands what the

proper amount of Molybdenum is, most use far too little to do anything.

Andy

http://www.noamalgam.com/index.html

Amalgam Illness: Diagnosis and Treatment

http://www.noamalgam.com/hairtestbook.html

Hair Test Interpretation: Finding Hidden Toxicities

http://www.noamalgam.com/nourishinghope.html

Nourishing Hope for Autism: Nutrition Intervention for Healing Our Children

http://www.noamalgam.com/biologicaltreatments.html

Biological Treatments for Autism and PDD

[Guest guest]

> You mentioned about reducing the supplements to make the regime simplier and

cheaper. Can you advise on this as a cheaper, yet effective regime would be

welcomed.

Note my previous suggestions, I won't duplicate them here.

> > > Acidophilus and Bifidus (adult forula cp-1)

> >

> > Use more.

Get any cheap brand (fewest dollars per billion organisms/CFU's) and feed him a

lot of it, this can be every day or two, it doesn't have to be every day or

several times a day. Preferably on an empty stomach before meals.

Jarro-dophilus is a decent choice here, I am sure there are others. Or you can

'grow it yourself' by making yoghurt or kefir (which can be made with things

like coconut or rice milk rather than dairy milk if desired). Many recipes on

the web, some parents on this list do it and might describe it in detail if

asked.

> > > vsl#3

I really don't know what this is.

> > > oxypowder - (adjusted as needed)

For what? Laxative?

> 5htp - 2caps 2xday

Inositol powder will make this work a lot better and you may reduce this if you

use it. 1 tsp to 1 tbsp a day, get the powder it is much less expensive than

capsules. It is tasty so just feed it to him as a treat. Once a day is fine,

or as needed. It is very useful because it works promptly but lasts a long time

so frequent dosing isn't needed.

>selenium - 3

> > > drops

The liquid forms of this usually have the toxic selenite form. You want the

selenomethionine form, about 100 mcg a day.

>evening primrose 1/4 tsp 2xday

Dump this. If he really needs it, use borage oil which is far cheaper per unit

of active ingredient. Just using regular vegetable oil in cooking is generally

adequate to provide enough omega 6 oils.

> DMG - 375mg

Don't know why he'd need this. If it is obviously helping, keep it, otherwise

withdraw it. If you aren't sure, take it oiut for a week or two, put it back

in, take it back out, if you run out and still aren't sure it is helping then it

isn't helping enough to bother with. This procedure is fine with most supps.

> > > molybdenum - 1000iug

> > > biotin-8 - 8000mcg

Not clear if he needs this or not, you didn't provide any of the information I'd

need to guess.

> > > vit c - a pinch 2xday

> >

> > Try a lot 3-4 times a day.

You will need to use a buffered form since vitamin C actually is an acid.

> >

> > > taurine - 1000mg

> > > acetyl L carnitine - 1000mg

> >

> > divide this one throughout the day into 3 or 4 doses.

Again not clear if he needs it, you didn't provide any relevant information.

> >

> > > bio-gest

Any digestive enzyme will do. If he can swallow pills use pancreatin (animal

derived enzymes), if not use any of the plant derived chewable ones in the

store.

> > > milk thistle

with meals or more often.

> > > co Q 10 - 30mg

If he needs it, he needs more than this. Just withdraw it and see what happens.

If you have enough left without buying more, try a week with triple dosing and

see if it helps or not.

> > > calcium EAP2 - 600mg

Any calcium citrate supplement will do. Divide it throughout the day.

> > > monolauren - 600mg

> > > bio magnesium - 400mg

any mag citrate supp will do, divide throughout day. Or use epsom salts, low

enough amount to not be laxative. That is REALLY cheap.

> > > N.A.G. - 2000mg

Don't know why you'd use this.

> > > zinc - 50mg

> > > nystatin powder

Great if it is helping. Otherwise drop it. It is an Rx, hopefully insurance

covers it.

> > > biobotanical biocidin

Not familiar with this product.

> > > vit B6 - 100mg

50-100 mg with each meal, if it helps. Sometimes it does, sometimes not.

> > > folinic acid with B12 - 400mcg folic and 6mcg B12

Just use 800 mcg folic acid tablets with each meal.

> > > P-5-P with magnesium - 225mg

Drop this.

> > > transfer factor

Drop this.

> > > super EPA

Any reasonable omega 3 source is fine.

> > > vit K2 drops

Withdraw it. If he starts to bruise a lot then give him any inexpensive form of

vitamin K.

> > > brainchild vitamins - 30ml

> > > brainchild minerals - 30ml

These are decent, but expensive. You didn't provide enough info for me to know

if he really needs them. My general suggestion would be to drop them in favor

of a " b50 " B complex supplement with meals.

>spatone iron miner All artemesia annua

> > > - 800mg

Generally using iron in people with mercury problems is a bad idea.

> > > alpha ketoglutaric acid 600mg

Not clear if there is any reason to use this or not as you haven't provided test

results, etc.

> > vit D3 drops - 1 drop daily CLO

This isn't enough to matter. Either use it by at least the tsp, or don't

bother.

Also use at least 25,000 IU of vitamin A daily.

> > > - 1/2 tsp TTFD cream - 1/2ml

> >

> > Stop the poisonous TTFD. If you think it helps, use benfotiamin (from

www.vrp.com or other sources) instead. It isn't poisonous.

> >

> > > GSH cream - 1/2ml

stop it.

LDN cream - 3 lines/0.3mg -

stop it unless it is clearly helping or the doctor gave you some very specific

indication for it other than " he's autistic. "

> > > nightly MB12 shots

If they are helping a lot, keep them up. If not, drop them. You can give him a

lot of B-12 by mouth if you want and it is agreeing with him.

> > > - every third night Oral DMSA - fortnightly

> >

> > Do not use DMSA randomly. Either use it every 4 hours or not at all. 4

hours means day and night for at least 3 days in a row.

> >

> > > Thyadine drops (1 drop daily) Dawn

> >

> > This is very trendy but any form of iodine works just as well. Iodine is

well absorbed.

I don't see any real reason to use iodine (but then you didn't provide most of

the information that might show it is needed).

> >

> >

> > This regimen is overly complex and very trendy, but with the exceptions

noted above, reasonable and sound. If you don't want to put a lot of effort

into rearranging it, it is fine as it stands. If you want it simpler and

cheaper that can be done. BTW, your doctor is one of the few who understands

what the proper amount of Molybdenum is, most use far too little to do anything.

Andy

> > http://www.noamalgam.com/index.html

> > Amalgam Illness: Diagnosis and Treatment

> >

> > http://www.noamalgam.com/hairtestbook.html

> > Hair Test Interpretation: Finding Hidden Toxicities

> >

> > http://www.noamalgam.com/nourishinghope.html

> > Nourishing Hope for Autism: Nutrition Intervention for Healing Our Children

> >

> > http://www.noamalgam.com/biologicaltreatments.html

> > Biological Treatments for Autism and PDD

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Andy,

Your reply has been most helpful, thank you.

Dawn

>

> > You mentioned about reducing the supplements to make the regime simplier and

cheaper. Can you advise on this as a cheaper, yet effective regime would be

welcomed.

>

> Note my previous suggestions, I won't duplicate them here.

>

> > > > Acidophilus and Bifidus (adult forula cp-1)

> > >

> > > Use more.

>

> Get any cheap brand (fewest dollars per billion organisms/CFU's) and feed him

a lot of it, this can be every day or two, it doesn't have to be every day or

several times a day. Preferably on an empty stomach before meals.

Jarro-dophilus is a decent choice here, I am sure there are others. Or you can

'grow it yourself' by making yoghurt or kefir (which can be made with things

like coconut or rice milk rather than dairy milk if desired). Many recipes on

the web, some parents on this list do it and might describe it in detail if

asked.

>

>

> > > > vsl#3

>

> I really don't know what this is.

>

> > > > oxypowder - (adjusted as needed)

>

> For what? Laxative?

>

> > 5htp - 2caps 2xday

>

> Inositol powder will make this work a lot better and you may reduce this if

you use it. 1 tsp to 1 tbsp a day, get the powder it is much less expensive

than capsules. It is tasty so just feed it to him as a treat. Once a day is

fine, or as needed. It is very useful because it works promptly but lasts a

long time so frequent dosing isn't needed.

>

>

> >selenium - 3

> > > > drops

>

> The liquid forms of this usually have the toxic selenite form. You want the

selenomethionine form, about 100 mcg a day.

>

> >evening primrose 1/4 tsp 2xday

>

> Dump this. If he really needs it, use borage oil which is far cheaper per

unit of active ingredient. Just using regular vegetable oil in cooking is

generally adequate to provide enough omega 6 oils.

>

> > DMG - 375mg

>

> Don't know why he'd need this. If it is obviously helping, keep it, otherwise

withdraw it. If you aren't sure, take it oiut for a week or two, put it back

in, take it back out, if you run out and still aren't sure it is helping then it

isn't helping enough to bother with. This procedure is fine with most supps.

>

> > > > molybdenum - 1000iug

> > > > biotin-8 - 8000mcg

>

> Not clear if he needs this or not, you didn't provide any of the information

I'd need to guess.

>

> > > > vit c - a pinch 2xday

> > >

> > > Try a lot 3-4 times a day.

>

> You will need to use a buffered form since vitamin C actually is an acid.

> > >

> > > > taurine - 1000mg

> > > > acetyl L carnitine - 1000mg

> > >

> > > divide this one throughout the day into 3 or 4 doses.

>

> Again not clear if he needs it, you didn't provide any relevant information.

> > >

> > > > bio-gest

>

> Any digestive enzyme will do. If he can swallow pills use pancreatin (animal

derived enzymes), if not use any of the plant derived chewable ones in the

store.

>

> > > > milk thistle

>

> with meals or more often.

>

> > > > co Q 10 - 30mg

>

> If he needs it, he needs more than this. Just withdraw it and see what

happens. If you have enough left without buying more, try a week with triple

dosing and see if it helps or not.

>

> > > > calcium EAP2 - 600mg

>

> Any calcium citrate supplement will do. Divide it throughout the day.

>

> > > > monolauren - 600mg

> > > > bio magnesium - 400mg

>

> any mag citrate supp will do, divide throughout day. Or use epsom salts, low

enough amount to not be laxative. That is REALLY cheap.

>

> > > > N.A.G. - 2000mg

>

> Don't know why you'd use this.

>

> > > > zinc - 50mg

> > > > nystatin powder

>

> Great if it is helping. Otherwise drop it. It is an Rx, hopefully insurance

covers it.

>

> > > > biobotanical biocidin

>

> Not familiar with this product.

>

> > > > vit B6 - 100mg

>

> 50-100 mg with each meal, if it helps. Sometimes it does, sometimes not.

>

> > > > folinic acid with B12 - 400mcg folic and 6mcg B12

>

> Just use 800 mcg folic acid tablets with each meal.

>

> > > > P-5-P with magnesium - 225mg

>

> Drop this.

>

> > > > transfer factor

>

> Drop this.

>

> > > > super EPA

>

> Any reasonable omega 3 source is fine.

>

> > > > vit K2 drops

>

> Withdraw it. If he starts to bruise a lot then give him any inexpensive form

of vitamin K.

>

> > > > brainchild vitamins - 30ml

> > > > brainchild minerals - 30ml

>

>

> These are decent, but expensive. You didn't provide enough info for me to

know if he really needs them. My general suggestion would be to drop them in

favor of a " b50 " B complex supplement with meals.

>

> >spatone iron miner All artemesia annua

> > > > - 800mg

>

> Generally using iron in people with mercury problems is a bad idea.

>

> > > > alpha ketoglutaric acid 600mg

>

> Not clear if there is any reason to use this or not as you haven't provided

test results, etc.

>

> > > vit D3 drops - 1 drop daily CLO

>

> This isn't enough to matter. Either use it by at least the tsp, or don't

bother.

>

> Also use at least 25,000 IU of vitamin A daily.

>

>

> > > > - 1/2 tsp TTFD cream - 1/2ml

> > >

> > > Stop the poisonous TTFD. If you think it helps, use benfotiamin (from

www.vrp.com or other sources) instead. It isn't poisonous.

> > >

> > > > GSH cream - 1/2ml

>

> stop it.

>

> LDN cream - 3 lines/0.3mg -

>

> stop it unless it is clearly helping or the doctor gave you some very specific

indication for it other than " he's autistic. "

>

> > > > nightly MB12 shots

>

> If they are helping a lot, keep them up. If not, drop them. You can give him

a lot of B-12 by mouth if you want and it is agreeing with him.

>

> > > > - every third night Oral DMSA - fortnightly

> > >

> > > Do not use DMSA randomly. Either use it every 4 hours or not at all. 4

hours means day and night for at least 3 days in a row.

> > >

> > > > Thyadine drops (1 drop daily) Dawn

> > >

> > > This is very trendy but any form of iodine works just as well. Iodine is

well absorbed.

>

> I don't see any real reason to use iodine (but then you didn't provide most of

the information that might show it is needed).

> > >

> > >

> > > This regimen is overly complex and very trendy, but with the exceptions

noted above, reasonable and sound. If you don't want to put a lot of effort

into rearranging it, it is fine as it stands. If you want it simpler and

cheaper that can be done. BTW, your doctor is one of the few who understands

what the proper amount of Molybdenum is, most use far too little to do anything.

>

> Andy

>

> > > http://www.noamalgam.com/index.html

> > > Amalgam Illness: Diagnosis and Treatment

> > >

> > > http://www.noamalgam.com/hairtestbook.html

> > > Hair Test Interpretation: Finding Hidden Toxicities

> > >

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[Guest guest]

Here is a link to a group where I was able to get kefir grains for the

cost of priority mail postage. They increase in quantity over time. I'd send you

some, but I don't have enough to share yet. Don't waste your money on buying

kefir starter kits. You can only use those a few times before you have to buy

another kit. If you take care of your kefir grains, you'll have them for years

to come.

Kefir_making/

There are several videos on youtube on water kefir and milk kefir. If casein is

an issue, you may want to use the water grain or use enzymes with the milk

kefir. The fermentation process is super easy . . .

Milk Kefir

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1yZFhNjhgc & feature=channel

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9fg6eJOctc & feature=channel

Water Kefir

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VeHhRWA9UdQ & feature=channel

Or you can 'grow it yourself' by making yoghurt or kefir (which can be made with

things like coconut or rice milk rather than dairy milk if desired). Many

recipes on the web, some parents on this list do it and might describe it in

detail if asked.

[Guest guest]

Here are some of my thoughts as someone who had a son who recovered from a

combination of zinc loading and ac chelation (pics under bestbirths child #1):

vsl 3 is antiviral right? We used the high dose virastop protocol

We used inositol instead of 5htp

we stopped selenium drops and used powder because the selinite version causes

cataracts

borage oil is also a part of Dr. K's zinc loading/chelation kpu protocol

molybdenum supports adrenals, we used it with our son a lot and I wouldn't drop

that.

biotin increased yeast for us so we didn't use it

My son took up to 20,000 mg per day of vitamin C in the sodium ascorbate form

and still

did not reach bowel tolerence. We capped it ourselves and used Now brand bought

in bulk and save money just

by capping pills ourselves.

my son took 400 mg coQ10 a day in four divided doses for migraines. We buy it in

bulk from Now and cap it ourselves

B6 my son took

folic my son took

p5p my son took with ac chelation. It is part of pfeiffers zinc loading protocol

and the kpu protocol

(a disorder treated by some with a combination of chelation and gradually

boosting zinc to 210mg or more

a day for children who dump zinc)

transfer factor is amazing for immune system boosting, and if you feel your son

needs all this it sounds very much

like my son, who we later found out has lyme disease induced autism and is now

recovered. I never could afford TF yet though

but its on the wish list.

we used homeopathic ferrum phos as a homeopathic iron supplement, cheaper, and

no gross taste.

It looks like you are using a lot of expensive antivirals. Monolaurin, transfer

factor, those are things I didn't get or

didn't repeat cause of cost.

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Your comments have been very helpful. A lot of the antivirals that were put in

are part of the Dan! protocol used by our doctor.

I haven't seen that they have made much of a difference so will be reviewing

them.

You are right about the cost!

Dawn

>

> Here are some of my thoughts as someone who had a son who recovered from a

combination of zinc loading and ac chelation (pics under bestbirths child #1):

>

> vsl 3 is antiviral right? We used the high dose virastop protocol

>

> We used inositol instead of 5htp

>

> we stopped selenium drops and used powder because the selinite version causes

cataracts

>

> borage oil is also a part of Dr. K's zinc loading/chelation kpu protocol

>

> molybdenum supports adrenals, we used it with our son a lot and I wouldn't

drop that.

>

> biotin increased yeast for us so we didn't use it

>

> My son took up to 20,000 mg per day of vitamin C in the sodium ascorbate form

and still

> did not reach bowel tolerence. We capped it ourselves and used Now brand

bought in bulk and save money just

> by capping pills ourselves.

>

> my son took 400 mg coQ10 a day in four divided doses for migraines. We buy it

in bulk from Now and cap it ourselves

>

> B6 my son took

>

> folic my son took

>

> p5p my son took with ac chelation. It is part of pfeiffers zinc loading

protocol and the kpu protocol

> (a disorder treated by some with a combination of chelation and gradually

boosting zinc to 210mg or more

> a day for children who dump zinc)

>

> transfer factor is amazing for immune system boosting, and if you feel your

son needs all this it sounds very much

> like my son, who we later found out has lyme disease induced autism and is now

recovered. I never could afford TF yet though

> but its on the wish list.

>

> we used homeopathic ferrum phos as a homeopathic iron supplement, cheaper, and

no gross taste.

>

> It looks like you are using a lot of expensive antivirals. Monolaurin,

transfer factor, those are things I didn't get or

> didn't repeat cause of cost.

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

VSL 3 is a probiotic used to reduce oxalate levels. The pinch of Vit C may also

be due to oxalate issues. Vitamin C tends to make oxalate issues worse and the

reccomendation is to limit Vit C supplementation to 250 mg and get the rest from

low oxalate fruits/vegis.

Karla

>

> Here are some of my thoughts as someone who had a son who recovered from a

combination of zinc loading and ac chelation (pics under bestbirths child #1):

>

> vsl 3 is antiviral right? We used the high dose virastop protocol

>

> We used inositol instead of 5htp

>

> we stopped selenium drops and used powder because the selinite version causes

cataracts

>

> borage oil is also a part of Dr. K's zinc loading/chelation kpu protocol

>

> molybdenum supports adrenals, we used it with our son a lot and I wouldn't

drop that.

>

> biotin increased yeast for us so we didn't use it

>

> My son took up to 20,000 mg per day of vitamin C in the sodium ascorbate form

and still

> did not reach bowel tolerence. We capped it ourselves and used Now brand

bought in bulk and save money just

> by capping pills ourselves.

>

> my son took 400 mg coQ10 a day in four divided doses for migraines. We buy it

in bulk from Now and cap it ourselves

>

> B6 my son took

>

> folic my son took

>

> p5p my son took with ac chelation. It is part of pfeiffers zinc loading

protocol and the kpu protocol

> (a disorder treated by some with a combination of chelation and gradually

boosting zinc to 210mg or more

> a day for children who dump zinc)

>

> transfer factor is amazing for immune system boosting, and if you feel your

son needs all this it sounds very much

> like my son, who we later found out has lyme disease induced autism and is now

recovered. I never could afford TF yet though

> but its on the wish list.

>

> we used homeopathic ferrum phos as a homeopathic iron supplement, cheaper, and

no gross taste.

>

> It looks like you are using a lot of expensive antivirals. Monolaurin,

transfer factor, those are things I didn't get or

> didn't repeat cause of cost.

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

How would one know if we had oxalate issues? I don't tolerate C due to yeast.

Have to stay away from most calcium.

GFCF, sy free. Noticed a difference with Vit K. I'm sure I have adrenal issues,

but want to treat as naturally as possible.

Trying to find a multi I can tolerate v/c of C & whatever else in most reacting

to.   Many of us may have caused more yeast w biotin. I read it can be made

from

brewer's yeast.

Kathy

--

 wiersmak <wiersmak@...>

Subject: [ ] Re: New to list: Essential Supplements during Natural

Chelation

Date: Wednesday, February 17, 2010, 12:22 PM

 

VSL 3 is a probiotic used to reduce oxalate levels. The pinch of Vit C

may also be due to oxalate issues. Vitamin C tends to make oxalate issues worse

and the reccomendation is to limit Vit C supplementation to 250 mg and get the

rest from low oxalate fruits/vegis.

Karla

>

> Here are some of my thoughts as someone who had a son who recovered from a

combination of zinc loading and ac chelation (pics under bestbirths child #1):

>

> vsl 3 is antiviral right? We used the high dose virastop protocol

>

> We used inositol instead of 5htp

>

> we stopped selenium drops and used powder because the selinite version causes

cataracts

>

> borage oil is also a part of Dr. K's zinc loading/chelation kpu protocol

>

> molybdenum supports adrenals, we used it with our son a lot and I wouldn't

drop that.

>

> biotin increased yeast for us so we didn't use it

>

> My son took up to 20,000 mg per day of vitamin C in the sodium ascorbate form

and still

> did not reach bowel tolerence. We capped it ourselves and used Now brand

bought in bulk and save money just

> by capping pills ourselves.

>

> my son took 400 mg coQ10 a day in four divided doses for migraines. We buy it

in bulk from Now and cap it ourselves

>

> B6 my son took

>

> folic my son took

>

> p5p my son took with ac chelation. It is part of pfeiffers zinc loading

protocol and the kpu protocol

> (a disorder treated by some with a combination of chelation and gradually

boosting zinc to 210mg or more

> a day for children who dump zinc)

>

> transfer factor is amazing for immune system boosting, and if you feel your

son needs all this it sounds very much

> like my son, who we later found out has lyme disease induced autism and is now

recovered. I never could afford TF yet though

> but its on the wish list.

>

> we used homeopathic ferrum phos as a homeopathic iron supplement, cheaper, and

no gross taste.

>

> It looks like you are using a lot of expensive antivirals. Monolaurin,

transfer factor, those are things I didn't get or

> didn't repeat cause of cost.

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

How do we know who to trust ?

From: AndyCutler@...

Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 06:56:37 +0000

Subject: [ ] Re: New to list: Essential Supplements during Natural

Chelation

>

>

>

> Hi,

> My 6 year old ASD son has been under a strict high dose DAN!

> protocol for the past 3 years.

I'm sorry.

>My question is, what tests are

> required with natural chelation to check on metal excretion

None.

>and that

> the child's body is not under any stress from the protocol?

No routine tests. If there are obvious problems sometimes tests will be

indicated by the nature of the problems.

Proper chelation is not the harmful, dangerous proposition that the DAN!

protocol is. Since you won't be hurting him all the time you don't have to

constantly test for harm.

>Do I need

> a doctor to do natural chelation?

No. The doctor doesn't climb down your kid's throat and pick up the metal atoms.

The chelator takes care of that - and since alpha lipoic acid is over the

counter it is up to you whether you involve a doctor.

> Below is a list supplements that my son is currently taking, which

> are essential and which ones can I drop? SUPPLEMENT LIST: nutrigold

> aloe vera juice/liquid - 40mls

drop it.

> amino acids - 20g

drop them. Feed him more meat, and digestive enzymes.

> Acidophilus and Bifidus (adult forula cp-1)

Use more.

> movicol

Try using more magnesium instead. E. g. magnesium citrate solution or tablets.

They do the same thing, but more safely and give him magnesium too.

> vsl#3

> oxypowder - (adjusted as needed) 5htp - 2caps 2xday selenium - 3

> drops evening primrose 1/4 tsp 2xday DMG - 375mg

> molybdenum - 1000iug

> biotin-8 - 8000mcg

> vit c - a pinch 2xday

Try a lot 3-4 times a day.

> taurine - 1000mg

> acetyl L carnitine - 1000mg

divide this one throughout the day into 3 or 4 doses.

> bio-gest

> milk thistle

> co Q 10 - 30mg

> calcium EAP2 - 600mg

> monolauren - 600mg

> bio magnesium - 400mg

> N.A.G. - 2000mg

> zinc - 50mg

> nystatin powder

> biobotanical biocidin

> vit B6 - 100mg

> folinic acid with B12 - 400mcg folic and 6mcg B12

> P-5-P with magnesium - 225mg

> transfer factor

> super EPA

> vit K2 drops

> brainchild vitamins - 30ml

> brainchild minerals - 30ml spatone iron miner All artemesia annua

> - 800mg

> alpha ketoglutaric acid 600mg vit D3 drops - 1 drop daily CLO - 1/2

> tsp TTFD cream - 1/2ml

Stop the poisonous TTFD. If you think it helps, use benfotiamin (from

www.vrp.com or other sources) instead. It isn't poisonous.

> GSH cream - 1/2ml LDN cream - 3 lines/0.3mg -

> nightly MB12 shots - every third night Oral DMSA - fortnightly

Do not use DMSA randomly. Either use it every 4 hours or not at all. 4 hours

means day and night for at least 3 days in a row.

> Thyadine drops (1 drop daily) Dawn

This is very trendy but any form of iodine works just as well. Iodine is well

absorbed.

This regimen is overly complex and very trendy, but with the exceptions noted

above, reasonable and sound. If you don't want to put a lot of effort into

rearranging it, it is fine as it stands. If you want it simpler and cheaper that

can be done. BTW, your doctor is one of the few who understands what the proper

amount of Molybdenum is, most use far too little to do anything.

Andy

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[Guest guest]

For my son it was crystals, almost like fine sand, in his urine. An organic

acid test also tests for oxalate levels and will show if there are issues.

People who are prone to have kidney stones likely have oxalate issues.

Karla

>

> >

>

> > Here are some of my thoughts as someone who had a son who recovered from a

combination of zinc loading and ac chelation (pics under bestbirths child #1):

>

> >

>

> > vsl 3 is antiviral right? We used the high dose virastop protocol

>

> >

>

> > We used inositol instead of 5htp

>

> >

>

> > we stopped selenium drops and used powder because the selinite version

causes cataracts

>

> >

>

> > borage oil is also a part of Dr. K's zinc loading/chelation kpu protocol

>

> >

>

> > molybdenum supports adrenals, we used it with our son a lot and I wouldn't

drop that.

>

> >

>

> > biotin increased yeast for us so we didn't use it

>

> >

>

> > My son took up to 20,000 mg per day of vitamin C in the sodium ascorbate

form and still

>

> > did not reach bowel tolerence. We capped it ourselves and used Now brand

bought in bulk and save money just

>

> > by capping pills ourselves.

>

> >

>

> > my son took 400 mg coQ10 a day in four divided doses for migraines. We buy

it in bulk from Now and cap it ourselves

>

> >

>

> > B6 my son took

>

> >

>

> > folic my son took

>

> >

>

> > p5p my son took with ac chelation. It is part of pfeiffers zinc loading

protocol and the kpu protocol

>

> > (a disorder treated by some with a combination of chelation and gradually

boosting zinc to 210mg or more

>

> > a day for children who dump zinc)

>

> >

>

> > transfer factor is amazing for immune system boosting, and if you feel your

son needs all this it sounds very much

>

> > like my son, who we later found out has lyme disease induced autism and is

now recovered. I never could afford TF yet though

>

> > but its on the wish list.

>

> >

>

> > we used homeopathic ferrum phos as a homeopathic iron supplement, cheaper,

and no gross taste.

>

> >

>

> > It looks like you are using a lot of expensive antivirals. Monolaurin,

transfer factor, those are things I didn't get or

>

> > didn't repeat cause of cost.

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

[Guest guest]

I dont trust my sons health to anyone but myself. I definately dont trust the

mainstream docs, who were adamant that going GFCF was damaging my child, but

also didnt hesitate to try and push Ritalin and Adderall on my child.

I do my research, and ask lots of questions. Look at the science. Drugs have a

half life and dosing instructions are based on that. When I read up on the AC

protocol, I dug into the chemistry texts, researched information about the

chelating agents and the diffrerent supplements, made up a list of questions and

grilled my husband (a chem engineer, who also has a degree in chemistry). The

protocol passed his " smell test " and mine as well.

I also bounced all my questions and concerns about the different protocols off

my sons DAN to get his take. He is one of the few DAN Drs that agrees that the

AC protocol is THE safe way to chelate, although his dosing preference is

slightly higher (starts out at 1 mg/lb-max 2 mg/lb). I stick with the Dr

Cutlers recommendation and my DAN supports my choice(which is nice but

irrelevant).

Bottom line, do your research, always ask questions and trust your gut (after

you've done the first two things!).

Karla

> >

> >

> >

> > Hi,

> > My 6 year old ASD son has been under a strict high dose DAN!

> > protocol for the past 3 years.

>

> I'm sorry.

>

> >My question is, what tests are

> > required with natural chelation to check on metal excretion

>

> None.

>

> >and that

> > the child's body is not under any stress from the protocol?

>

> No routine tests. If there are obvious problems sometimes tests will be

indicated by the nature of the problems.

>

> Proper chelation is not the harmful, dangerous proposition that the DAN!

protocol is. Since you won't be hurting him all the time you don't have to

constantly test for harm.

>

> >Do I need

> > a doctor to do natural chelation?

>

> No. The doctor doesn't climb down your kid's throat and pick up the metal

atoms. The chelator takes care of that - and since alpha lipoic acid is over the

counter it is up to you whether you involve a doctor.

>

> > Below is a list supplements that my son is currently taking, which

> > are essential and which ones can I drop? SUPPLEMENT LIST: nutrigold

> > aloe vera juice/liquid - 40mls

>

> drop it.

>

> > amino acids - 20g

>

> drop them. Feed him more meat, and digestive enzymes.

>

> > Acidophilus and Bifidus (adult forula cp-1)

>

> Use more.

>

> > movicol

>

> Try using more magnesium instead. E. g. magnesium citrate solution or tablets.

They do the same thing, but more safely and give him magnesium too.

>

> > vsl#3

> > oxypowder - (adjusted as needed) 5htp - 2caps 2xday selenium - 3

> > drops evening primrose 1/4 tsp 2xday DMG - 375mg

> > molybdenum - 1000iug

> > biotin-8 - 8000mcg

> > vit c - a pinch 2xday

>

> Try a lot 3-4 times a day.

>

> > taurine - 1000mg

> > acetyl L carnitine - 1000mg

>

> divide this one throughout the day into 3 or 4 doses.

>

> > bio-gest

> > milk thistle

> > co Q 10 - 30mg

> > calcium EAP2 - 600mg

> > monolauren - 600mg

> > bio magnesium - 400mg

> > N.A.G. - 2000mg

> > zinc - 50mg

> > nystatin powder

> > biobotanical biocidin

> > vit B6 - 100mg

> > folinic acid with B12 - 400mcg folic and 6mcg B12

> > P-5-P with magnesium - 225mg

> > transfer factor

> > super EPA

> > vit K2 drops

> > brainchild vitamins - 30ml

> > brainchild minerals - 30ml spatone iron miner All artemesia annua

> > - 800mg

> > alpha ketoglutaric acid 600mg vit D3 drops - 1 drop daily CLO - 1/2

> > tsp TTFD cream - 1/2ml

>

> Stop the poisonous TTFD. If you think it helps, use benfotiamin (from

www.vrp.com or other sources) instead. It isn't poisonous.

>

> > GSH cream - 1/2ml LDN cream - 3 lines/0.3mg -

> > nightly MB12 shots - every third night Oral DMSA - fortnightly

>

> Do not use DMSA randomly. Either use it every 4 hours or not at all. 4 hours

means day and night for at least 3 days in a row.

>

> > Thyadine drops (1 drop daily) Dawn

>

> This is very trendy but any form of iodine works just as well. Iodine is well

absorbed.

>

> This regimen is overly complex and very trendy, but with the exceptions noted

above, reasonable and sound. If you don't want to put a lot of effort into

rearranging it, it is fine as it stands. If you want it simpler and cheaper that

can be done. BTW, your doctor is one of the few who understands what the proper

amount of Molybdenum is, most use far too little to do anything.

>

> Andy

>

> http://www.noamalgam.com/index.html

> Amalgam Illness: Diagnosis and Treatment

>

> http://www.noamalgam.com/hairtestbook.html

> Hair Test Interpretation: Finding Hidden Toxicities

>

> http://www.noamalgam.com/nourishinghope.html

> Nourishing Hope for Autism: Nutrition Intervention for Healing Our Children

>

> http://www.noamalgam.com/biologicaltreatments.html

> Biological Treatments for Autism and PDD

>

>

>

>

>

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> > > Acidophilus and Bifidus (adult forula cp-1)

or any reasonable form of probiotics like " jarro-dophilus " powder

use something like 50-100 billion organisms a day.

> > > molybdenum - 1000iug

> > > biotin-8 - 8000mcg

split the biotin up (or just use it several times a day) if it seems to help.

> > > vit c - a pinch 2xday

1/4-1/8 tsp if powder with meals and if possible at bedtime Or 500-1000 mg.

buffered form preferred.

> > > taurine - 1000mg

> > > acetyl L carnitine - 1000mg

divide these throughout the day. You can probably use l-carnitine which is

cheaper.

Any reasonable digestive enzyme will do. With meals.

> > > milk thistle

> > > bio magnesium - 400mg

any form of magnesium other than oxide, carbonate or hydroxide. 100-200 mg with

meals and at bedtime.

> > > zinc - 50mg

once or twice a day.

B50 tablets with meals and at bedtime.

> > > super EPA

or any other reasonable fish oil or omega 3 oil, use a lot, like by the

tablespoon if you can.

> > > vit K2 drops

if he bruisese easily use these, otherwise not.

You had lots of anti-yeast stuff in there. It isn't clear to me what the best

choices are in any given case, so use what works.

Andy

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