Guest guest Posted April 12, 2010 Report Share Posted April 12, 2010 Unfortunately mercury goes into the tissues rather quickly and will not show up in a blood test unless there was recent exposure. Conventional medicine is mainly concerned with occupational exposure to mercury, like at a factory or a mine. A hair test, looking for deranged mineral transport, is the only reliable way to check for mercury toxicity. You apply the counting rules as explained in Andy Cutler's book : Hair Test Interpretation: Finding Hidden Toxicities. You are looking at the effects that mercury has on the body's function. TJ ________________________________ From: The Finks <hafinkim@...> Sent: Mon, April 12, 2010 1:44:57 PM Subject: [ ] How to be sure of high Mercury ? Â Hi, We did twice hair tests to our 7 yo son. Got the same results more or less. DAN! consultant told us that according to several hints in the results he has high Mercury. It does not show directly in the lab analysis. On one hand - we cannot jsut move on with this kind of info, On the other - all the conventional MD's we cosulted with do not find hair tests reliable. We would like to a conventional medicine way to verify this. Any recommendations ? Thanks. Amihay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2010 Report Share Posted April 12, 2010 The Finks wrote: > > Hi, > > We did twice hair tests to our 7 yo son. > Please post in the files section. > Got the same results more or less. > > DAN! consultant told us that according to several hints in the results he > has high Mercury. > It does not show directly in the lab analysis. > > On one hand - we cannot jsut move on with this kind of info, > If you need more information on how a hair test is MORE reliable than blood or urine, I suggest you read Cutler's Amalgam Illness and Hair Test Interpretation: http://www.noamalgam.com http://www.noamalgam.com/hairtestbook.html > On the other - all the conventional MD's we cosulted with do not find hair > tests reliable. > They do not have a proper understanding of body physiology and chemistry, despite having gone to medical school where this is taught. > > We would like to a conventional medicine way to verify this. > Hair test interpretation IS conventional medicine in that it uses the conventional rules of body chemistry and physiology. Medicine is BASED on interpreting symptoms to figure out what is wrong with the body. There are many things in medicine that do not show up on blood and urine tests. If they did, any lab technician could diagnose illness. > Any recommendations ? > > Thanks. > Amihay > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2010 Report Share Posted April 12, 2010 > > We did twice hair tests to our 7 yo son. > > DAN! consultant told us that according to several hints in the results he > has high Mercury. > It does not show directly in the lab analysis. > > On one hand - we cannot jsut move on with this kind of info, > On the other - all the conventional MD's we cosulted with do not find hair > tests reliable. > > We would like to a conventional medicine way to verify this. > Any recommendations ? > > Thanks. > Amihay > Amihay, please know that we understand your frustration. I felt similar frustration when I was beginning to research the situation. I agree with those who posted above. I understand that mercury and other metals cause the strange variation in the levels minerals that is seen on the hair analysis. Those experienced in reading the test results, such as Andy Cutler, can glean valuable information from them. There are other tests that can also be interesting. Ask about the porphyrin test. http://hugginsappliedhealing.com/articles_porphyrins.php https://directlabs.com/imagepage.aspx?id=795 & type=testsample https://directlabs.com/OrderTests/tabid/55/language/en-US/Default.aspx A provoked urine test might be interesting but not as helpful as you might think. Search the following for " chelation challenge tests " http://f1.grp.fs.com/v1/oEeuSwoGA9DWpr3v_hP3mKjCHB8dyH-yWbJd1VuUIuHn5g6iIJ7\ UVHNZcWcBs4BVz4yZaHqstimzMVKYZ1MGSuooFPKsBKQd/Rooney2007.pdf A doctor who is a specialist in this area might have a protocol and large block of data to use for comparison. I think this is a bit dated but should give you a better feel for the challenges involved. The doctor tells the story of her own autistic child. http://www.flcv.com/autismc.html http://www.healing-arts.org/children/holmes.htm#wethink Finally if you decide to go with a provoked test ask about doing it during one of the rounds of chelation using Andy's protocol in order to minimize redistribution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2010 Report Share Posted April 12, 2010 Sorry for the bad link. > Search the following for " chelation challenge tests " http://f1.grp.fs.com/v1/MN7DS2pC3uxX_ao5CYA29QMvTct6kCcezB3cZOmymfhHipXcbQd\ VlnnteVOdETFQ4ap-DCixs2FYKdJgf5VdtseEhlAZcL1l/Rooney2007.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2010 Report Share Posted April 13, 2010 Added a folder with 2 the 2 results @ files directory named - " Y.Fink " Thanks. Amihay > > > > Hi, > > > > We did twice hair tests to our 7 yo son. > > > Please post in the files section. > > > Got the same results more or less. > > > > DAN! consultant told us that according to several hints in the results he > > has high Mercury. > > It does not show directly in the lab analysis. > > > > On one hand - we cannot jsut move on with this kind of info, > > > If you need more information on how a hair test is MORE reliable than > blood or urine, I suggest you read Cutler's Amalgam Illness and > Hair Test Interpretation: > > http://www.noamalgam.com > http://www.noamalgam.com/hairtestbook.html > > > > On the other - all the conventional MD's we cosulted with do not find hair > > tests reliable. > > > > They do not have a proper understanding of body physiology and > chemistry, despite having gone to medical school where this is taught. > > > > > We would like to a conventional medicine way to verify this. > > > > Hair test interpretation IS conventional medicine in that it uses the > conventional rules of body chemistry and physiology. > > Medicine is BASED on interpreting symptoms to figure out what is wrong > with the body. > > There are many things in medicine that do not show up on blood and urine > tests. If they did, any lab technician could diagnose illness. > > > > > > Any recommendations ? > > > > Thanks. > > Amihay > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2010 Report Share Posted April 13, 2010 Yes, both tests meet the " all-high " rule where 5 or less bars extend to the left of normal. Mineral transport is certainly disturbed and this indicates chronic mercury toxicity in the body. The test does not indicate adrenal or thyroid involvement. Your son would certainly benefit from chelation according to the Cutler protocol. Please do not use the DAN standard chelation protocol as this is harmful. What are his symptoms? fink_a@... wrote: > > > Added a folder with 2 the 2 results @ files directory named - " Y.Fink " > > Thanks. > Amihay > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > We did twice hair tests to our 7 yo son. > > > > > Please post in the files section. > > > > > Got the same results more or less. > > > > > > DAN! consultant told us that according to several hints in the > results he > > > has high Mercury. > > > It does not show directly in the lab analysis. > > > > > > On one hand - we cannot jsut move on with this kind of info, > > > > > If you need more information on how a hair test is MORE reliable than > > blood or urine, I suggest you read Cutler's Amalgam Illness and > > Hair Test Interpretation: > > > > http://www.noamalgam.com <http://www.noamalgam.com> > > http://www.noamalgam.com/hairtestbook.html > <http://www.noamalgam.com/hairtestbook.html> > > > > > > > On the other - all the conventional MD's we cosulted with do not > find hair > > > tests reliable. > > > > > > > They do not have a proper understanding of body physiology and > > chemistry, despite having gone to medical school where this is taught. > > > > > > > > We would like to a conventional medicine way to verify this. > > > > > > > Hair test interpretation IS conventional medicine in that it uses the > > conventional rules of body chemistry and physiology. > > > > Medicine is BASED on interpreting symptoms to figure out what is wrong > > with the body. > > > > There are many things in medicine that do not show up on blood and > urine > > tests. If they did, any lab technician could diagnose illness. > > > > > > > > > > > Any recommendations ? > > > > > > Thanks. > > > Amihay > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2010 Report Share Posted April 15, 2010 My son is diagnosed 'formally' with ASD/PDD-NOS. Physically he's fine, generally speaking, clumsy at times. The major symptoms are in the areas of speech and language(shallow speech comprehension and expression), sociality, slow learning... Gets stimming when anxious or bored, Needs to be occupied not to get bored. Eats normally (not on any diet at the moment) Sleeps well. Currently main-stremed in a public kindergarten - found his place emotionally there.And learns at home on a learning-therapy plan arranged for him. My understanding so far from DAN! materials is that GFCF diet+ supplemeation should take place before chelation. What is your opinion on that ? Is the protocol you refer to (Cutler's) known to MD ? We would need medical expert to guide us through. How would you recommend to approach it ? Thanks. Amihay > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > We did twice hair tests to our 7 yo son. > > > > > > > Please post in the files section. > > > > > > > Got the same results more or less. > > > > > > > > DAN! consultant told us that according to several hints in the > > results he > > > > has high Mercury. > > > > It does not show directly in the lab analysis. > > > > > > > > On one hand - we cannot jsut move on with this kind of info, > > > > > > > If you need more information on how a hair test is MORE reliable than > > > blood or urine, I suggest you read Cutler's Amalgam Illness and > > > Hair Test Interpretation: > > > > > > http://www.noamalgam.com <http://www.noamalgam.com> > > > http://www.noamalgam.com/hairtestbook.html > > <http://www.noamalgam.com/hairtestbook.html> > > > > > > > > > > On the other - all the conventional MD's we cosulted with do not > > find hair > > > > tests reliable. > > > > > > > > > > They do not have a proper understanding of body physiology and > > > chemistry, despite having gone to medical school where this is taught. > > > > > > > > > > > We would like to a conventional medicine way to verify this. > > > > > > > > > > Hair test interpretation IS conventional medicine in that it uses the > > > conventional rules of body chemistry and physiology. > > > > > > Medicine is BASED on interpreting symptoms to figure out what is wrong > > > with the body. > > > > > > There are many things in medicine that do not show up on blood and > > urine > > > tests. If they did, any lab technician could diagnose illness. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any recommendations ? > > > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > Amihay > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2010 Report Share Posted April 15, 2010 Please search back for any of my posts, my son is your sons age and with the same diagnosis and we have nearly recovered I have posted several times about our protocol(not the andy one . I had not found him yet . but similar) we have had great results . the dr's and the school, everyone are in shock and awe. Please look back and read what has worked for us. It may not work for you but knowledge is power. Conventional dr's will not help you much From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of fink_a@... Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 4:54 AM Subject: [ ] Re: How to be sure of high Mercury ? My son is diagnosed 'formally' with ASD/PDD-NOS. Physically he's fine, generally speaking, clumsy at times. The major symptoms are in the areas of speech and language(shallow speech comprehension and expression), sociality, slow learning... Gets stimming when anxious or bored, Needs to be occupied not to get bored. Eats normally (not on any diet at the moment) Sleeps well. Currently main-stremed in a public kindergarten - found his place emotionally there.And learns at home on a learning-therapy plan arranged for him. My understanding so far from DAN! materials is that GFCF diet+ supplemeation should take place before chelation. What is your opinion on that ? Is the protocol you refer to (Cutler's) known to MD ? We would need medical expert to guide us through. How would you recommend to approach it ? Thanks. Amihay > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > We did twice hair tests to our 7 yo son. > > > > > > > Please post in the files section. > > > > > > > Got the same results more or less. > > > > > > > > DAN! consultant told us that according to several hints in the > > results he > > > > has high Mercury. > > > > It does not show directly in the lab analysis. > > > > > > > > On one hand - we cannot jsut move on with this kind of info, > > > > > > > If you need more information on how a hair test is MORE reliable than > > > blood or urine, I suggest you read Cutler's Amalgam Illness and > > > Hair Test Interpretation: > > > > > > http://www.noamalgam.com <http://www.noamalgam.com> > > > http://www.noamalgam.com/hairtestbook.html > > <http://www.noamalgam.com/hairtestbook.html> > > > > > > > > > > On the other - all the conventional MD's we cosulted with do not > > find hair > > > > tests reliable. > > > > > > > > > > They do not have a proper understanding of body physiology and > > > chemistry, despite having gone to medical school where this is taught. > > > > > > > > > > > We would like to a conventional medicine way to verify this. > > > > > > > > > > Hair test interpretation IS conventional medicine in that it uses the > > > conventional rules of body chemistry and physiology. > > > > > > Medicine is BASED on interpreting symptoms to figure out what is wrong > > > with the body. > > > > > > There are many things in medicine that do not show up on blood and > > urine > > > tests. If they did, any lab technician could diagnose illness. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any recommendations ? > > > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > Amihay > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2010 Report Share Posted April 15, 2010 Comments interspersed. S S Re: How to be sure of high Mercury ? Posted by: " fink_a@... " hafinkim@... fink_a@... Thu Apr 15, 2010 1:59 am (PDT) My son is diagnosed 'formally' with ASD/PDD-NOS. Physically he's fine, generally speaking, clumsy at times. The major symptoms are in the areas of speech and language(shallow speech comprehension and expression), sociality, slow learning... Gets stimming when anxious or bored, Needs to be occupied not to get bored. Eats normally (not on any diet at the moment) Sleeps well. Currently main-stremed in a public kindergarten - found his place emotionally there.And learns at home on a learning-therapy plan arranged for him. My understanding so far from DAN! materials is that GFCF diet+ supplemeation should take place before chelation. What is your opinion on that ? *Only if needed. Is the protocol you refer to (Cutler's) known to MD ? *Most doctor's don't understand Cutler protocol. We would need medical expert to guide us through. How would you recommend to approach it ? *Most of us here chelate without a doc because most docs don't understand safe chelation. Educate yourself and be prepared to overrule the doctor. Do not allow a challenge test. Thanks. Amihay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2010 Report Share Posted April 16, 2010 Thank you all for your responses. That's what I will be doing. > > Comments interspersed. > S S > > Re: How to be sure of high Mercury ? > Posted by: " fink_a@... " hafinkim@... fink_a@... > Thu Apr 15, 2010 1:59 am (PDT) > > > > My son is diagnosed 'formally' with ASD/PDD-NOS. > Physically he's fine, generally speaking, clumsy at times. > > The major symptoms are in the areas of speech and language(shallow speech comprehension and expression), sociality, slow learning... > Gets stimming when anxious or bored, > Needs to be occupied not to get bored. > Eats normally (not on any diet at the moment) > Sleeps well. > > Currently main-stremed in a public kindergarten - found his place emotionally there.And learns at home on a learning-therapy plan arranged for him. > > My understanding so far from DAN! materials is that GFCF diet+ supplemeation should take place before chelation. > What is your opinion on that ? > > *Only if needed. > > Is the protocol you refer to (Cutler's) known to MD ? > > *Most doctor's don't understand Cutler protocol. > > We would need medical expert to guide us through. > How would you recommend to approach it ? > > *Most of us here chelate without a doc because most docs don't understand safe chelation. Educate yourself and be prepared to overrule the doctor. Do not allow a challenge test. > > Thanks. > Amihay > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2010 Report Share Posted April 17, 2010 Thank you! > > > > We did twice hair tests to our 7 yo son. > > > > DAN! consultant told us that according to several hints in the results he > > has high Mercury. > > It does not show directly in the lab analysis. > > > > On one hand - we cannot jsut move on with this kind of info, > > On the other - all the conventional MD's we cosulted with do not find hair > > tests reliable. > > > > We would like to a conventional medicine way to verify this. > > Any recommendations ? > > > > Thanks. > > Amihay > > > > Amihay, please know that we understand your frustration. I felt similar frustration when I was beginning to research the situation. I agree with those who posted above. > > I understand that mercury and other metals cause the strange variation in the levels minerals that is seen on the hair analysis. Those experienced in reading the test results, such as Andy Cutler, can glean valuable information from them. > > There are other tests that can also be interesting. Ask about the porphyrin test. > http://hugginsappliedhealing.com/articles_porphyrins.php > https://directlabs.com/imagepage.aspx?id=795 & type=testsample > https://directlabs.com/OrderTests/tabid/55/language/en-US/Default.aspx > > A provoked urine test might be interesting but not as helpful as you might think. > Search the following for " chelation challenge tests " > http://f1.grp.fs.com/v1/oEeuSwoGA9DWpr3v_hP3mKjCHB8dyH-yWbJd1VuUIuHn5g6iIJ7\ UVHNZcWcBs4BVz4yZaHqstimzMVKYZ1MGSuooFPKsBKQd/Rooney2007.pdf > > A doctor who is a specialist in this area might have a protocol and large block of data to use for comparison. I think this is a bit dated but should give you a better feel for the challenges involved. The doctor tells the story of her own autistic child. > http://www.flcv.com/autismc.html > http://www.healing-arts.org/children/holmes.htm#wethink > > Finally if you decide to go with a provoked test ask about doing it during one of the rounds of chelation using Andy's protocol in order to minimize redistribution. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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