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From: sskold <sskold@...>

Sent: Tue, July 6, 2010 12:18:07 PM

Subject: [ ] new-hoping for results/chelation feedback

 

Dear group:

I am relatively new to the group and am trying to determine if chelation might

help my six-year-old daughter (apraxia, cdiff, yeast, asthma, allergies, poor

growth, intermittent fevers and canker sores, etc.). I have the cutler book and

it seems we do not meet the counting rules. I would love some confirmation on

that. If that is correct, it seems antimony and arsenic are definite problems. I

am also interested in any input on interpreting the zinc and calcium levels. (I

am already supplementing with zinc based on previous testing-Nutreval/Genova

diagnostics.) Note I included the porphyrin test as well. It indicated potential

mercury, but a relatively low overall toxicity level. Our dan interpreted that

as mitochondrial issues rather than mercury (based on very recent

research/papers it seems). Any advice or feedback would be GREATLY appreciated.

We have been doing biomedical for about a year without a lot of progress. We

want to make sure we have the

root of the problem. The yeast is a big problem it seems as is constipation and

asthma. She is very frail.

Thank you.

Stacey

BELOW HAIR TEST AND PORPHYRIN TEST

POTENTIALLY TOXIC ELEMENTS

element result ref range color

=============================================

aluminum 3.6 <8.0 green

antimony 0.14 <0.066 yellow

arsenic 0.13 <0.060 yellow

barium 0.15 <1.5 green

beryllium <0.01 <0.020 0

bismuth 0.13 <2.0 green

cadmium 0.019 <0.070 green

lead 0.41 <0.080 green

mercury 0.17 <0.40 green

platinum <0.003 <0.005 0

thallium <0.001 <0.002 0

thorium 0.001 <0.002 green

uranium 0.080 <0.060 yellow

nickel 0.05 <0.30 green

silver 0.03 <0.18 green

tin 0.18 <0.30 green

titanium 1.0 <0.70 yellow

ESSENTIAL AND OTHER ELEMENTS

element result ref range color under/over 50%

============================================================

Calcium 97 250-800 red under

Magnesium 27 25-90 green under

Sodium 260 18-180 yellow over

Potassium 91 10-90 green over

Copper 21 11-37 green under

Zinc 300 120-220 red over

Manganese 0.28 0.08-0.60 green over

Chromium 0.47 0.40-0.65 green under

Vanadium 0.10 0.025-0.10 green over

Molybdenum 0.072 0.030-.090 green over

Boron 1.6 0.30-1.7 green over

Iodine 3.5 0.25-1.3 yellow over

Lithium 0.058 0.007-0.020 yellow over

Phosphorus 162 150-220 green under

Selenium 1.1 0.70-1.1 green over

Strontium 0.11 0.37-3.6 red under

Sulfur 53400 44000-51000 yellow over

Barium none listed

Cobalt 0.007 0.005-0.035 green under

Iron 9.1 7.0-16 green under

Germanium 0.036 0.030-0.040 green over

Rubidium 0.13 0.008-0.080 yellow over

Zirconium 0.14 0.030-0.40 green under

URINARY PORPHYRINS

Recent 12/11/09 ref range

up 16 21 8-20

7cxP 3.8 3.8 2-5

6cxP .2 .3 .5-1.5

5cxP 4.2 4.4 2-4

pcP 16 21 5-9

cP 191 127 100-200

URINARY PORPHYRIN RATIOS

ratios Recent 12/11/09

pcp/up 1.05 1.03 0.2-0.5

5pcp+pcp/up+7cp 1.0 1.0 0.3-0.6

pcp/5cp 3.9 4.8 1.5-3

Pcp/cp 8.8 17.0 2-6

cp/up 11.9 6.0 6-9

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Stacey,

My kid had both oral and verbal apraxia, allergies (peanut-confirmed, mystery

hives, respiratory), lots of yeast/bacteria issues, nasty poop containing

undigested food particles, slow to put weight on..etc. An Organic Acids Test

(OAT) was suggestive of mito issues. I will say that we were able to treat or

get these under control using lots of supplements and speech therapy prior to

chelation. Prior to starting chelation at age 4.5 (my son had a positive

porphyrin test and met the counting rules), my son had graduated from speech

therapy, had much improved poop, yeast under control, was an appropriate weight

although small for his age AS LONG AS I gave him all his supplements 5X/day at

times. Chelation has allowed us to slowly reduce his supplements by treating

the underlying problem. We've dropped enzymes and carnitine, greatly reduced

anti-fungals and probiotics, reduced zinc etc. without having his old problems

return.

We are currently in Round #23 using the AC Protocol (DMSA/ALA-low dosing round

the clock). You can search on my name " epoxycozy " to see some of our updates.

We used FISH OIL (big for us and almost a standard bio-med treatment for

apraxia), Vit E, treated yeast, addressed a carnitine defiency + lots of

vit/minerals etc.

Check out the Mito Cocktail from www.danasview.net

Mito Cocktail as follows

CoQ10

Carnitine

Vitamin E

B50 [my lower doses above]

Vitamin C

Zinc

Selenium

Mito Cocktail seems to support the absorption of fats which kids really need for

development.

Hope that helps.

>

> Dear group:

> I am relatively new to the group and am trying to determine if chelation might

help my six-year-old daughter (apraxia, cdiff, yeast, asthma, allergies, poor

growth, intermittent fevers and canker sores, etc.). I have the cutler book and

it seems we do not meet the counting rules. I would love some confirmation on

that. If that is correct, it seems antimony and arsenic are definite problems. I

am also interested in any input on interpreting the zinc and calcium levels. (I

am already supplementing with zinc based on previous testing-Nutreval/Genova

diagnostics.) Note I included the porphyrin test as well. It indicated potential

mercury, but a relatively low overall toxicity level. Our dan interpreted that

as mitochondrial issues rather than mercury (based on very recent

research/papers it seems). Any advice or feedback would be GREATLY appreciated.

We have been doing biomedical for about a year without a lot of progress. We

want to make sure we have the root of the problem. The yeast is a big problem it

seems as is constipation and asthma. She is very frail.

> Thank you.

> Stacey

>

> BELOW HAIR TEST AND PORPHYRIN TEST

>

> POTENTIALLY TOXIC ELEMENTS

> element result ref range color

> =============================================

> aluminum 3.6 <8.0 green

> antimony 0.14 <0.066 yellow

> arsenic 0.13 <0.060 yellow

> barium 0.15 <1.5 green

> beryllium <0.01 <0.020 0

> bismuth 0.13 <2.0 green

> cadmium 0.019 <0.070 green

> lead 0.41 <0.080 green

> mercury 0.17 <0.40 green

> platinum <0.003 <0.005 0

> thallium <0.001 <0.002 0

> thorium 0.001 <0.002 green

> uranium 0.080 <0.060 yellow

> nickel 0.05 <0.30 green

> silver 0.03 <0.18 green

> tin 0.18 <0.30 green

> titanium 1.0 <0.70 yellow

>

> ESSENTIAL AND OTHER ELEMENTS

> element result ref range color under/over 50%

> ============================================================

> Calcium 97 250-800 red under

> Magnesium 27 25-90 green under

> Sodium 260 18-180 yellow over

> Potassium 91 10-90 green over

> Copper 21 11-37 green under

> Zinc 300 120-220 red over

> Manganese 0.28 0.08-0.60 green over

> Chromium 0.47 0.40-0.65 green under

> Vanadium 0.10 0.025-0.10 green over

> Molybdenum 0.072 0.030-.090 green over

> Boron 1.6 0.30-1.7 green over

> Iodine 3.5 0.25-1.3 yellow over

> Lithium 0.058 0.007-0.020 yellow over

> Phosphorus 162 150-220 green under

> Selenium 1.1 0.70-1.1 green over

> Strontium 0.11 0.37-3.6 red under

> Sulfur 53400 44000-51000 yellow over

> Barium none listed

> Cobalt 0.007 0.005-0.035 green under

> Iron 9.1 7.0-16 green under

> Germanium 0.036 0.030-0.040 green over

> Rubidium 0.13 0.008-0.080 yellow over

> Zirconium 0.14 0.030-0.40 green under

>

>

>

>

> URINARY PORPHYRINS

> Recent 12/11/09 ref range

> up 16 21 8-20

> 7cxP 3.8 3.8 2-5

> 6cxP .2 .3 .5-1.5

> 5cxP 4.2 4.4 2-4

> pcP 16 21 5-9

> cP 191 127 100-200

>

> URINARY PORPHYRIN RATIOS

> ratios Recent 12/11/09

> pcp/up 1.05 1.03 0.2-0.5

> 5pcp+pcp/up+7cp 1.0 1.0 0.3-0.6

> pcp/5cp 3.9 4.8

1.5-3

> Pcp/cp 8.8 17.0

2-6

> cp/up 11.9 6.0

6-9

>

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Welcome to the group. ALA chelates both mercury and arsenic.

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new-hoping for results/chelation feedback

Posted by: " sskold " sskold@... sskold

Tue Jul 6, 2010 12:19 pm (PDT)

Dear group:

I am relatively new to the group and am trying to determine if chelation might

help my six-year-old daughter (apraxia, cdiff, yeast, asthma, allergies, poor

growth, intermittent fevers and canker sores, etc.). I have the cutler book and

it seems we do not meet the counting rules. I would love some confirmation on

that. If that is correct, it seems antimony and arsenic are definite problems.

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>>Our dan interpreted that as mitochondrial issues rather than mercury

Here is what I did to correct my son's mitochondrial dysfunction

http://www.danasview.net/mar05.htm

>>The yeast is a big problem it seems as is constipation and asthma.

At my house, constipation and asthma [and several other things] were all caused

by yeast overgrowth.

Chelation eliminated most of the yeast problem, but my son also needed a few

other things before yeast was no longer a problem.

Dana

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For Mitococktail - should all the supplements given at the same time/meal?

I have tried multiple CoQ10's for my daughter but she gets screamy after day 6

onwards. I understand it should be given with fat. What normally do you give it

with. I mean what kind of meal containing what foods?

My daughter just had her porphyrin test results back. Her results are very

simliar to the belore noted results. Our doctor tols us that it was more

arsenic, aluminuim and plastic toxicity and the prefered first chelation would

be Calcium EDTA or OSR.

Has anyone tried these before. Any input or experience is greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Richa.

> >

> > Dear group:

> > I am relatively new to the group and am trying to determine if chelation

might help my six-year-old daughter (apraxia, cdiff, yeast, asthma, allergies,

poor growth, intermittent fevers and canker sores, etc.). I have the cutler book

and it seems we do not meet the counting rules. I would love some confirmation

on that. If that is correct, it seems antimony and arsenic are definite

problems. I am also interested in any input on interpreting the zinc and calcium

levels. (I am already supplementing with zinc based on previous

testing-Nutreval/Genova diagnostics.) Note I included the porphyrin test as

well. It indicated potential mercury, but a relatively low overall toxicity

level. Our dan interpreted that as mitochondrial issues rather than mercury

(based on very recent research/papers it seems). Any advice or feedback would be

GREATLY appreciated. We have been doing biomedical for about a year without a

lot of progress. We want to make sure we have the root of the problem. The yeast

is a big problem it seems as is constipation and asthma. She is very frail.

> > Thank you.

> > Stacey

> >

> > BELOW HAIR TEST AND PORPHYRIN TEST

> >

> > POTENTIALLY TOXIC ELEMENTS

> > element result ref range color

> > =============================================

> > aluminum 3.6 <8.0 green

> > antimony 0.14 <0.066 yellow

> > arsenic 0.13 <0.060 yellow

> > barium 0.15 <1.5 green

> > beryllium <0.01 <0.020 0

> > bismuth 0.13 <2.0 green

> > cadmium 0.019 <0.070 green

> > lead 0.41 <0.080 green

> > mercury 0.17 <0.40 green

> > platinum <0.003 <0.005 0

> > thallium <0.001 <0.002 0

> > thorium 0.001 <0.002 green

> > uranium 0.080 <0.060 yellow

> > nickel 0.05 <0.30 green

> > silver 0.03 <0.18 green

> > tin 0.18 <0.30 green

> > titanium 1.0 <0.70 yellow

> >

> > ESSENTIAL AND OTHER ELEMENTS

> > element result ref range color under/over 50%

> > ============================================================

> > Calcium 97 250-800 red under

> > Magnesium 27 25-90 green under

> > Sodium 260 18-180 yellow over

> > Potassium 91 10-90 green over

> > Copper 21 11-37 green under

> > Zinc 300 120-220 red over

> > Manganese 0.28 0.08-0.60 green over

> > Chromium 0.47 0.40-0.65 green under

> > Vanadium 0.10 0.025-0.10 green over

> > Molybdenum 0.072 0.030-.090 green over

> > Boron 1.6 0.30-1.7 green over

> > Iodine 3.5 0.25-1.3 yellow over

> > Lithium 0.058 0.007-0.020 yellow over

> > Phosphorus 162 150-220 green under

> > Selenium 1.1 0.70-1.1 green over

> > Strontium 0.11 0.37-3.6 red under

> > Sulfur 53400 44000-51000 yellow over

> > Barium none listed

> > Cobalt 0.007 0.005-0.035 green under

> > Iron 9.1 7.0-16 green under

> > Germanium 0.036 0.030-0.040 green over

> > Rubidium 0.13 0.008-0.080 yellow over

> > Zirconium 0.14 0.030-0.40 green under

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > URINARY PORPHYRINS

> > Recent 12/11/09 ref range

> > up 16 21 8-20

> > 7cxP 3.8 3.8 2-5

> > 6cxP .2 .3 .5-1.5

> > 5cxP 4.2 4.4 2-4

> > pcP 16 21 5-9

> > cP 191 127 100-200

> >

> > URINARY PORPHYRIN RATIOS

> > ratios Recent 12/11/09

> > pcp/up 1.05 1.03

0.2-0.5

> > 5pcp+pcp/up+7cp 1.0 1.0 0.3-0.6

> > pcp/5cp 3.9 4.8

1.5-3

> > Pcp/cp 8.8 17.0

2-6

> > cp/up 11.9 6.0

6-9

> >

>

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I wouldn't say that they all have to be given at the same time or meal. Most

fat soluble can be given 1X/day (CoQ10, Vit E). However, Vit C, B vitamins are

water soluble and optimally should be given at least 2X/day. We found that

Carnitine needed to be split into at least 2X/day and couldn't be given at

dinner time because it caused sleep issues. Zinc we always had to split into

multiple doses because my son needed so much zinc that we couldn't give that

much at one time and have it absorbed properly (also too much zinc at once can

cause nausea and vomiting). Also, NEVER start giving many supplements at once

and ALWAYS start at your lowest dose you think might work and then work your way

up.

An example, our DAN started us on 750 mg/day of Carnitine split into 3 doses

per day. Within 2 days, my son was a " toddler on speed " and also had diarrhea

and sleep problems. I had to cut the dose all the way to 400 mg/day and give

the last dose at lunch time before the problems went away.

As far as meals go, we just try to eat balanced meals containing protein, carbs

and fat. I didn't make special meals etc. I rarely gave supplements away from

meals...usually only an anti-fungal which needed to be taken on an empty

stomach.

For the CoQ10 problems, maybe the dose was too high?

Hope that helps.

> > >

> > > Dear group:

> > > I am relatively new to the group and am trying to determine if chelation

might help my six-year-old daughter (apraxia, cdiff, yeast, asthma, allergies,

poor growth, intermittent fevers and canker sores, etc.). I have the cutler book

and it seems we do not meet the counting rules. I would love some confirmation

on that. If that is correct, it seems antimony and arsenic are definite

problems. I am also interested in any input on interpreting the zinc and calcium

levels. (I am already supplementing with zinc based on previous

testing-Nutreval/Genova diagnostics.) Note I included the porphyrin test as

well. It indicated potential mercury, but a relatively low overall toxicity

level. Our dan interpreted that as mitochondrial issues rather than mercury

(based on very recent research/papers it seems). Any advice or feedback would be

GREATLY appreciated. We have been doing biomedical for about a year without a

lot of progress. We want to make sure we have the root of the problem. The yeast

is a big problem it seems as is constipation and asthma. She is very frail.

> > > Thank you.

> > > Stacey

> > >

> > > BELOW HAIR TEST AND PORPHYRIN TEST

> > >

> > > POTENTIALLY TOXIC ELEMENTS

> > > element result ref range color

> > > =============================================

> > > aluminum 3.6 <8.0 green

> > > antimony 0.14 <0.066 yellow

> > > arsenic 0.13 <0.060 yellow

> > > barium 0.15 <1.5 green

> > > beryllium <0.01 <0.020 0

> > > bismuth 0.13 <2.0 green

> > > cadmium 0.019 <0.070 green

> > > lead 0.41 <0.080 green

> > > mercury 0.17 <0.40 green

> > > platinum <0.003 <0.005 0

> > > thallium <0.001 <0.002 0

> > > thorium 0.001 <0.002 green

> > > uranium 0.080 <0.060 yellow

> > > nickel 0.05 <0.30 green

> > > silver 0.03 <0.18 green

> > > tin 0.18 <0.30 green

> > > titanium 1.0 <0.70 yellow

> > >

> > > ESSENTIAL AND OTHER ELEMENTS

> > > element result ref range color under/over 50%

> > > ============================================================

> > > Calcium 97 250-800 red under

> > > Magnesium 27 25-90 green under

> > > Sodium 260 18-180 yellow over

> > > Potassium 91 10-90 green over

> > > Copper 21 11-37 green under

> > > Zinc 300 120-220 red over

> > > Manganese 0.28 0.08-0.60 green over

> > > Chromium 0.47 0.40-0.65 green under

> > > Vanadium 0.10 0.025-0.10 green over

> > > Molybdenum 0.072 0.030-.090 green over

> > > Boron 1.6 0.30-1.7 green over

> > > Iodine 3.5 0.25-1.3 yellow over

> > > Lithium 0.058 0.007-0.020 yellow over

> > > Phosphorus 162 150-220 green under

> > > Selenium 1.1 0.70-1.1 green over

> > > Strontium 0.11 0.37-3.6 red under

> > > Sulfur 53400 44000-51000 yellow over

> > > Barium none listed

> > > Cobalt 0.007 0.005-0.035 green under

> > > Iron 9.1 7.0-16 green under

> > > Germanium 0.036 0.030-0.040 green over

> > > Rubidium 0.13 0.008-0.080 yellow over

> > > Zirconium 0.14 0.030-0.40 green under

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > URINARY PORPHYRINS

> > > Recent 12/11/09 ref range

> > > up 16 21 8-20

> > > 7cxP 3.8 3.8 2-5

> > > 6cxP .2 .3 .5-1.5

> > > 5cxP 4.2 4.4 2-4

> > > pcP 16 21 5-9

> > > cP 191 127 100-200

> > >

> > > URINARY PORPHYRIN RATIOS

> > > ratios Recent 12/11/09

> > > pcp/up 1.05 1.03

0.2-0.5

> > > 5pcp+pcp/up+7cp 1.0 1.0 0.3-0.6

> > > pcp/5cp 3.9 4.8

1.5-3

> > > Pcp/cp 8.8 17.0

2-6

> > > cp/up 11.9 6.0

6-9

> > >

> >

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What form of Carnitine did you use? We use L-Carnitine 1000mg split twice a day.

With Carnitine we see a lot of stinky urine.

I have tried 60mg of Country Life CoQ10. But after a week or so we see the

screaming.

Thanks,

Richa.

> > > >

> > > > Dear group:

> > > > I am relatively new to the group and am trying to determine if chelation

might help my six-year-old daughter (apraxia, cdiff, yeast, asthma, allergies,

poor growth, intermittent fevers and canker sores, etc.). I have the cutler book

and it seems we do not meet the counting rules. I would love some confirmation

on that. If that is correct, it seems antimony and arsenic are definite

problems. I am also interested in any input on interpreting the zinc and calcium

levels. (I am already supplementing with zinc based on previous

testing-Nutreval/Genova diagnostics.) Note I included the porphyrin test as

well. It indicated potential mercury, but a relatively low overall toxicity

level. Our dan interpreted that as mitochondrial issues rather than mercury

(based on very recent research/papers it seems). Any advice or feedback would be

GREATLY appreciated. We have been doing biomedical for about a year without a

lot of progress. We want to make sure we have the root of the problem. The yeast

is a big problem it seems as is constipation and asthma. She is very frail.

> > > > Thank you.

> > > > Stacey

> > > >

> > > > BELOW HAIR TEST AND PORPHYRIN TEST

> > > >

> > > > POTENTIALLY TOXIC ELEMENTS

> > > > element result ref range color

> > > > =============================================

> > > > aluminum 3.6 <8.0 green

> > > > antimony 0.14 <0.066 yellow

> > > > arsenic 0.13 <0.060 yellow

> > > > barium 0.15 <1.5 green

> > > > beryllium <0.01 <0.020 0

> > > > bismuth 0.13 <2.0 green

> > > > cadmium 0.019 <0.070 green

> > > > lead 0.41 <0.080 green

> > > > mercury 0.17 <0.40 green

> > > > platinum <0.003 <0.005 0

> > > > thallium <0.001 <0.002 0

> > > > thorium 0.001 <0.002 green

> > > > uranium 0.080 <0.060 yellow

> > > > nickel 0.05 <0.30 green

> > > > silver 0.03 <0.18 green

> > > > tin 0.18 <0.30 green

> > > > titanium 1.0 <0.70 yellow

> > > >

> > > > ESSENTIAL AND OTHER ELEMENTS

> > > > element result ref range color under/over 50%

> > > > ============================================================

> > > > Calcium 97 250-800 red under

> > > > Magnesium 27 25-90 green under

> > > > Sodium 260 18-180 yellow over

> > > > Potassium 91 10-90 green over

> > > > Copper 21 11-37 green under

> > > > Zinc 300 120-220 red over

> > > > Manganese 0.28 0.08-0.60 green over

> > > > Chromium 0.47 0.40-0.65 green under

> > > > Vanadium 0.10 0.025-0.10 green over

> > > > Molybdenum 0.072 0.030-.090 green over

> > > > Boron 1.6 0.30-1.7 green over

> > > > Iodine 3.5 0.25-1.3 yellow over

> > > > Lithium 0.058 0.007-0.020 yellow over

> > > > Phosphorus 162 150-220 green under

> > > > Selenium 1.1 0.70-1.1 green over

> > > > Strontium 0.11 0.37-3.6 red under

> > > > Sulfur 53400 44000-51000 yellow over

> > > > Barium none listed

> > > > Cobalt 0.007 0.005-0.035 green under

> > > > Iron 9.1 7.0-16 green under

> > > > Germanium 0.036 0.030-0.040 green over

> > > > Rubidium 0.13 0.008-0.080 yellow over

> > > > Zirconium 0.14 0.030-0.40 green under

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > URINARY PORPHYRINS

> > > > Recent 12/11/09 ref range

> > > > up 16 21 8-20

> > > > 7cxP 3.8 3.8 2-5

> > > > 6cxP .2 .3 .5-1.5

> > > > 5cxP 4.2 4.4 2-4

> > > > pcP 16 21 5-9

> > > > cP 191 127 100-200

> > > >

> > > > URINARY PORPHYRIN RATIOS

> > > > ratios Recent 12/11/09

> > > > pcp/up 1.05 1.03

0.2-0.5

> > > > 5pcp+pcp/up+7cp 1.0 1.0 0.3-0.6

> > > > pcp/5cp 3.9 4.8

1.5-3

> > > > Pcp/cp 8.8 17.0

2-6

> > > > cp/up 11.9 6.0

6-9

> > > >

> > >

> >

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With carnitine, the urine or body can smell fishy. I think it is caused by

normal bacteria in the bowel converting l-carnitine to another substance. It

usually happens when someone takes over 1000mg/day.

It is poorly absorbed when taken orally. Most is excreted in stool.

We used Carnitor. I think I got him up to 2 pills, 3x/day. That might be

wrong. Each was 330mg. Never smelled anything fishy or smelly.

Pam

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear group:

> > > > > I am relatively new to the group and am trying to determine if

chelation

> >might help my six-year-old daughter (apraxia, cdiff, yeast, asthma,

allergies,

> >poor growth, intermittent fevers and canker sores, etc.). I have the cutler

book

> >and it seems we do not meet the counting rules. I would love some

confirmation

> >on that. If that is correct, it seems antimony and arsenic are definite

> >problems. I am also interested in any input on interpreting the zinc and

calcium

> >levels. (I am already supplementing with zinc based on previous

> >testing-Nutreval/Genova diagnostics.) Note I included the porphyrin test as

> >well. It indicated potential mercury, but a relatively low overall toxicity

> >level. Our dan interpreted that as mitochondrial issues rather than mercury

> >(based on very recent research/papers it seems). Any advice or feedback would

be

> >GREATLY appreciated. We have been doing biomedical for about a year without a

> >lot of progress. We want to make sure we have the root of the problem. The

yeast

> >is a big problem it seems as is constipation and asthma. She is very frail.

> > > > > Thank you.

> > > > > Stacey

> > > > >

> > > > > BELOW HAIR TEST AND PORPHYRIN TEST

> > > > >

> > > > > POTENTIALLY TOXIC ELEMENTS

> > > > > element result ref range color

> > > > > =============================================

> > > > > aluminum 3.6 <8.0 green

> > > > > antimony 0.14 <0.066 yellow

> > > > > arsenic 0.13 <0.060 yellow

> > > > > barium 0.15 <1.5 green

> > > > > beryllium <0.01 <0.020 0

> > > > > bismuth 0.13 <2.0 green

> > > > > cadmium 0.019 <0.070 green

> > > > > lead 0.41 <0.080 green

> > > > > mercury 0.17 <0.40 green

> > > > > platinum <0.003 <0.005 0

> > > > > thallium <0.001 <0.002 0

> > > > > thorium 0.001 <0.002 green

> > > > > uranium 0.080 <0.060 yellow

> > > > > nickel 0.05 <0.30 green

> > > > > silver 0.03 <0.18 green

> > > > > tin 0.18 <0.30 green

> > > > > titanium 1.0 <0.70 yellow

> > > > >

> > > > > ESSENTIAL AND OTHER ELEMENTS

> > > > > element result ref range color under/over 50%

> > > > > ============================================================

> > > > > Calcium 97 250-800 red under

> > > > > Magnesium 27 25-90 green under

> > > > > Sodium 260 18-180 yellow over

> > > > > Potassium 91 10-90 green over

> > > > > Copper 21 11-37 green under

> > > > > Zinc 300 120-220 red over

> > > > > Manganese 0.28 0.08-0.60 green over

> > > > > Chromium 0.47 0.40-0.65 green under

> > > > > Vanadium 0.10 0.025-0.10 green over

> > > > > Molybdenum 0.072 0.030-.090 green over

> > > > > Boron 1.6 0.30-1.7 green over

> > > > > Iodine 3.5 0.25-1.3 yellow over

> > > > > Lithium 0.058 0.007-0.020 yellow over

> > > > > Phosphorus 162 150-220 green under

> > > > > Selenium 1.1 0.70-1.1 green over

> > > > > Strontium 0.11 0.37-3.6 red under

> > > > > Sulfur 53400 44000-51000 yellow over

> > > > > Barium none listed

> > > > > Cobalt 0.007 0.005-0.035 green under

> > > > > Iron 9.1 7.0-16 green under

> > > > > Germanium 0.036 0.030-0.040 green over

> > > > > Rubidium 0.13 0.008-0.080 yellow over

> > > > > Zirconium 0.14 0.030-0.40 green under

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > URINARY PORPHYRINS

> > > > > Recent 12/11/09 ref range

> > > > > up 16 21 8-20

> > > > > 7cxP 3.8 3.8 2-5

> > > > > 6cxP .2 .3 .5-1.5

> > > > > 5cxP 4.2 4.4 2-4

> > > > > pcP 16 21 5-9

> > > > > cP 191 127 100-200

> > > > >

> > > > > URINARY PORPHYRIN RATIOS

> > > > > ratios Recent 12/11/09

> > > > > pcp/up 1.05 1.03

> >0.2-0.5

> > > > > 5pcp+pcp/up+7cp 1.0 1.0

0.3-0.6

> > > > > pcp/5cp 3.9 4.8

> >1.5-3

> > > > > Pcp/cp 8.8 17.0

> >2-6

> > > > > cp/up 11.9 6.0

> >6-9

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> What form of Carnitine did you use? We use L-Carnitine 1000mg split twice a

day. With Carnitine we see a lot of stinky urine.

My son did best with l-carnitine but some kids do better with acetyl.

> I have tried 60mg of Country Life CoQ10. But after a week or so we see the

screaming.

Once I no longer needed CoQ10, it caused kidney pain. Try reducing the dose

down to 30mg per day, give it with fat, see if that helps.

Dana

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Hi Heleen,

It varies, some supplements or foods (like asparagus and others) can cause this

but so can detox. Is the person chelating? Can you describe the smell? I

had what I described as gunpowder smell early in the chelation process and

believe that was the body getting rid of toxins.

S S

Re: new-hoping for results/chelation feedback

Posted by: " Heleen Venter " v.heleen@... v.heleen

Thu Jul 8, 2010 1:08 am (PDT)

What does stinky urine mean? Is this a sign that the body is getting rid of the

toxins?

Thanks,

Heleen

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we are getting enough water into her. We just over a round of diflucan probably

that why the urine could be stinky.

We have not started chelating or detoxing. That is next on the list. I have to

do lot of research before deicing which way to go.

Thanks,

Richa.

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > Dear group:

>

> > > > > I am relatively new to the group and am trying to determine if

chelation

>

> >might help my six-year-old daughter (apraxia, cdiff, yeast, asthma,

allergies,

>

> >poor growth, intermittent fevers and canker sores, etc.). I have the cutler

book

>

> >and it seems we do not meet the counting rules. I would love some

confirmation

>

> >on that. If that is correct, it seems antimony and arsenic are definite

>

> >problems. I am also interested in any input on interpreting the zinc and

calcium

>

> >levels. (I am already supplementing with zinc based on previous

>

> >testing-Nutreval/Genova diagnostics.) Note I included the porphyrin test as

>

> >well. It indicated potential mercury, but a relatively low overall toxicity

>

> >level. Our dan interpreted that as mitochondrial issues rather than mercury

>

> >(based on very recent research/papers it seems). Any advice or feedback would

be

>

> >GREATLY appreciated. We have been doing biomedical for about a year without a

>

> >lot of progress. We want to make sure we have the root of the problem. The

yeast

>

> >is a big problem it seems as is constipation and asthma. She is very frail.

>

> > > > > Thank you.

>

> > > > > Stacey

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > BELOW HAIR TEST AND PORPHYRIN TEST

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > POTENTIALLY TOXIC ELEMENTS

>

> > > > > element result ref range color

>

> > > > > =============================================

>

> > > > > aluminum 3.6 <8.0 green

>

> > > > > antimony 0.14 <0.066 yellow

>

> > > > > arsenic 0.13 <0.060 yellow

>

> > > > > barium 0.15 <1.5 green

>

> > > > > beryllium <0.01 <0.020 0

>

> > > > > bismuth 0.13 <2.0 green

>

> > > > > cadmium 0.019 <0.070 green

>

> > > > > lead 0.41 <0.080 green

>

> > > > > mercury 0.17 <0.40 green

>

> > > > > platinum <0.003 <0.005 0

>

> > > > > thallium <0.001 <0.002 0

>

> > > > > thorium 0.001 <0.002 green

>

> > > > > uranium 0.080 <0.060 yellow

>

> > > > > nickel 0.05 <0.30 green

>

> > > > > silver 0.03 <0.18 green

>

> > > > > tin 0.18 <0.30 green

>

> > > > > titanium 1.0 <0.70 yellow

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > ESSENTIAL AND OTHER ELEMENTS

>

> > > > > element result ref range color under/over 50%

>

> > > > > ============================================================

>

> > > > > Calcium 97 250-800 red under

>

> > > > > Magnesium 27 25-90 green under

>

> > > > > Sodium 260 18-180 yellow over

>

> > > > > Potassium 91 10-90 green over

>

> > > > > Copper 21 11-37 green under

>

> > > > > Zinc 300 120-220 red over

>

> > > > > Manganese 0.28 0.08-0.60 green over

>

> > > > > Chromium 0.47 0.40-0.65 green under

>

> > > > > Vanadium 0.10 0.025-0.10 green over

>

> > > > > Molybdenum 0.072 0.030-.090 green over

>

> > > > > Boron 1.6 0.30-1.7 green over

>

> > > > > Iodine 3.5 0.25-1.3 yellow over

>

> > > > > Lithium 0.058 0.007-0.020 yellow over

>

> > > > > Phosphorus 162 150-220 green under

>

> > > > > Selenium 1.1 0.70-1.1 green over

>

> > > > > Strontium 0.11 0.37-3.6 red under

>

> > > > > Sulfur 53400 44000-51000 yellow over

>

> > > > > Barium none listed

>

> > > > > Cobalt 0.007 0.005-0.035 green under

>

> > > > > Iron 9.1 7.0-16 green under

>

> > > > > Germanium 0.036 0.030-0.040 green over

>

> > > > > Rubidium 0.13 0.008-0.080 yellow over

>

> > > > > Zirconium 0.14 0.030-0.40 green under

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > URINARY PORPHYRINS

>

> > > > > Recent 12/11/09 ref range

>

> > > > > up 16 21 8-20

>

> > > > > 7cxP 3.8 3.8 2-5

>

> > > > > 6cxP .2 .3 .5-1.5

>

> > > > > 5cxP 4.2 4.4 2-4

>

> > > > > pcP 16 21 5-9

>

> > > > > cP 191 127 100-200

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > URINARY PORPHYRIN RATIOS

>

> > > > > ratios Recent 12/11/09

>

> > > > > pcp/up 1.05 1.03

>

> >0.2-0.5

>

> > > > > 5pcp+pcp/up+7cp 1.0 1.0

0.3-0.6

>

> > > > > pcp/5cp 3.9 4.8

>

> >1.5-3

>

> > > > > Pcp/cp 8.8 17.0

>

> >2-6

>

> > > > > cp/up 11.9 6.0

>

> >6-9

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