Re: Wondering about supplements.

[Guest guest]

Joyce,

we had a very similar experience. We had to stop all supplements for 48 hours

before doing a stool test and I could swear he was almost better off without

them... I think I even posted about it a week or so ago. I've learned on this

forum that many go on a " supplement vacation " for a little bit and then

reintroduce supplements one by one to see if all of them are in fact needed. We

contemplated that but because we have just started chelating (we did 5 rounds,

one every Fri-Mon), I am afraid to take him off...

In our case, we have stopped Enhansea (definitely caused him a lot of

aggression, hyperactivity... which is a shame because he was doing well on it on

the starter dose of 75 mg x 2 day)... but other than that - he is still on

multi-vit (compounded), fish oils, E, extra C on rounds, and a truckload of

probiotics (I'm not kidding you! )

Interestingly, others on this forum suggested to us that because we use a LOT of

apple sauce and OJ to mix in supplements in to give to him - that he can be

reacting to phenols (which apples and OJ is very high on) rather than

supplements. So when we stopped giving him supplements, inadvertently we stopped

apple sauce and OJ... I would like to test that idea... so need to look into

what other fruit pures I can use to dump in all his supps in... Perhaps pear...

I am not sure if there is a way to take all the supplements while ON round and

not take anything OFF rounds? Somehow I don't think it is a good idea but I

can't really substantiate that...

Lena

________________________________

From: stemcellsugars3 <joyce.beck@...>

Sent: Tue, April 6, 2010 11:49:35 AM

Subject: [ ] Wondering about supplements.

We had my grandson stop all vitamins and minerals for the 3 day long weekend,

and he seemed he was not near as hyper.

We started him back last night, and he is very hyper again this A.M,Could it be

possible he doesnt need all these supplements anymore?Could someone please

comment on this for us.

Would it be okay to take him off them for awhile?

The only thing we chelate every other weekend, he should have them then .

We have been giving supplements for over 2 years.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

Joyce.

[Guest guest]

It's not an on/off switch. There is probably _a_ supplement that is

causing this, and most likely something water-soluble or you wouldn't

see instant effects. What are you giving? (Name, dose, kind e.g.

" magnesium _citrate_ 800mg/day in divided doses with meals " )

stemcellsugars3 wrote:

>

> We had my grandson stop all vitamins and minerals for the 3 day long

> weekend, and he seemed he was not near as hyper.

> We started him back last night, and he is very hyper again this

> A.M,Could it be possible he doesnt need all these supplements

> anymore?Could someone please comment on this for us.

> Would it be okay to take him off them for awhile?

> The only thing we chelate every other weekend, he should have them then .

> We have been giving supplements for over 2 years.

> Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

> Joyce.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Lena Khais wrote:

>

>

> Joyce,

>

> we had a very similar experience. We had to stop all supplements for

> 48 hours before doing a stool test and I could swear he was almost

> better off without them... I think I even posted about it a week or so

> ago. I've learned on this forum that many go on a " supplement

> vacation " for a little bit and then reintroduce supplements one by one

> to see if all of them are in fact needed. We contemplated that but

> because we have just started chelating (we did 5 rounds, one every

> Fri-Mon), I am afraid to take him off...

>

> In our case, we have stopped Enhansea (definitely caused him a lot of

> aggression, hyperactivity... which is a shame because he was doing

> well on it on the starter dose of 75 mg x 2 day)... but other than

> that - he is still on multi-vit (compounded), fish oils, E, extra C on

> rounds, and a truckload of probiotics (I'm not kidding you! )

>

> Interestingly, others on this forum suggested to us that because we

> use a LOT of apple sauce and OJ to mix in supplements in to give to

> him - that he can be reacting to phenols (which apples and OJ is very

> high on) rather than supplements. So when we stopped giving him

> supplements, inadvertently we stopped apple sauce and OJ... I would

> like to test that idea...

>

Easily done by giving one or two NoFenol.

> so need to look into what other fruit pures I can use to dump in all

> his supps in... Perhaps pear...

>

> I am not sure if there is a way to take all the supplements while ON

> round and not take anything OFF rounds? Somehow I don't think it is a

> good idea but I can't really substantiate that...

>

> Lena

>

> ________________________________

> From: stemcellsugars3 <joyce.beck@...

> <mailto:joyce.beck%40accesscomm.ca>>

>

> <mailto: %40>

> Sent: Tue, April 6, 2010 11:49:35 AM

> Subject: [ ] Wondering about supplements.

>

> We had my grandson stop all vitamins and minerals for the 3 day long

> weekend, and he seemed he was not near as hyper.

> We started him back last night, and he is very hyper again this

> A.M,Could it be possible he doesnt need all these supplements

> anymore?Could someone please comment on this for us.

> Would it be okay to take him off them for awhile?

> The only thing we chelate every other weekend, he should have them then .

> We have been giving supplements for over 2 years.

> Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

> Joyce.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Is it ok to give with other enzymes? He is already on lipase (for fats) and Zyme

Prime.

Thank you

________________________________

From: Ross <mrossgrp@...>

Sent: Tue, April 6, 2010 1:17:34 PM

Subject: Re: [ ] Wondering about supplements.

Lena Khais wrote:

>

>

> Joyce,

>

> we had a very similar experience. We had to stop all supplements for

> 48 hours before doing a stool test and I could swear he was almost

> better off without them... I think I even posted about it a week or so

> ago. I've learned on this forum that many go on a " supplement

> vacation " for a little bit and then reintroduce supplements one by one

> to see if all of them are in fact needed. We contemplated that but

> because we have just started chelating (we did 5 rounds, one every

> Fri-Mon), I am afraid to take him off...

>

> In our case, we have stopped Enhansea (definitely caused him a lot of

> aggression, hyperactivity. .. which is a shame because he was doing

> well on it on the starter dose of 75 mg x 2 day)... but other than

> that - he is still on multi-vit (compounded) , fish oils, E, extra C on

> rounds, and a truckload of probiotics (I'm not kidding you! )

>

> Interestingly, others on this forum suggested to us that because we

> use a LOT of apple sauce and OJ to mix in supplements in to give to

> him - that he can be reacting to phenols (which apples and OJ is very

> high on) rather than supplements. So when we stopped giving him

> supplements, inadvertently we stopped apple sauce and OJ... I would

> like to test that idea...

>

Easily done by giving one or two NoFenol.

> so need to look into what other fruit pures I can use to dump in all

> his supps in... Perhaps pear...

>

> I am not sure if there is a way to take all the supplements while ON

> round and not take anything OFF rounds? Somehow I don't think it is a

> good idea but I can't really substantiate that...

>

> Lena

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> From: stemcellsugars3 <joyce.beck@accessco mm.ca

> <mailto:joyce. beck%40accesscom m.ca>>

>

> <mailto:Autism- Mercury%40g roups.com>

> Sent: Tue, April 6, 2010 11:49:35 AM

> Subject: [ ] Wondering about supplements.

>

> We had my grandson stop all vitamins and minerals for the 3 day long

> weekend, and he seemed he was not near as hyper.

> We started him back last night, and he is very hyper again this

> A.M,Could it be possible he doesnt need all these supplements

> anymore?Could someone please comment on this for us.

> Would it be okay to take him off them for awhile?

> The only thing we chelate every other weekend, he should have them then .

> We have been giving supplements for over 2 years.

> Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

> Joyce.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Lena Khais wrote:

>

>

> Is it ok to give with other enzymes?

>

Yes. Give together with the suspected phenol food or product.

Enhansa (curcumin) is very high-phenol. There's another clue.

> He is already on lipase (for fats) and Zyme Prime.

>

> Thank you

>

> ________________________________

> From: Ross <mrossgrp@... <mailto:mrossgrp%40gmail.com>>

>

> <mailto: %40>

> Sent: Tue, April 6, 2010 1:17:34 PM

> Subject: Re: [ ] Wondering about supplements.

>

> Lena Khais wrote:

> >

> >

> > Joyce,

> >

> > we had a very similar experience. We had to stop all supplements for

> > 48 hours before doing a stool test and I could swear he was almost

> > better off without them... I think I even posted about it a week or so

> > ago. I've learned on this forum that many go on a " supplement

> > vacation " for a little bit and then reintroduce supplements one by one

> > to see if all of them are in fact needed. We contemplated that but

> > because we have just started chelating (we did 5 rounds, one every

> > Fri-Mon), I am afraid to take him off...

> >

> > In our case, we have stopped Enhansea (definitely caused him a lot of

> > aggression, hyperactivity. .. which is a shame because he was doing

> > well on it on the starter dose of 75 mg x 2 day)... but other than

> > that - he is still on multi-vit (compounded) , fish oils, E, extra C on

> > rounds, and a truckload of probiotics (I'm not kidding you! )

> >

> > Interestingly, others on this forum suggested to us that because we

> > use a LOT of apple sauce and OJ to mix in supplements in to give to

> > him - that he can be reacting to phenols (which apples and OJ is very

> > high on) rather than supplements. So when we stopped giving him

> > supplements, inadvertently we stopped apple sauce and OJ... I would

> > like to test that idea...

> >

> Easily done by giving one or two NoFenol.

>

>

>

> > so need to look into what other fruit pures I can use to dump in all

> > his supps in... Perhaps pear...

> >

> > I am not sure if there is a way to take all the supplements while ON

> > round and not take anything OFF rounds? Somehow I don't think it is a

> > good idea but I can't really substantiate that...

> >

> > Lena

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > From: stemcellsugars3 <joyce.beck@accessco mm.ca

> > <mailto:joyce. beck%40accesscom m.ca>>

> >

> > <mailto:Autism- Mercury%40g roups.com>

> > Sent: Tue, April 6, 2010 11:49:35 AM

> > Subject: [ ] Wondering about supplements.

> >

> > We had my grandson stop all vitamins and minerals for the 3 day long

> > weekend, and he seemed he was not near as hyper.

> > We started him back last night, and he is very hyper again this

> > A.M,Could it be possible he doesnt need all these supplements

> > anymore?Could someone please comment on this for us.

> > Would it be okay to take him off them for awhile?

> > The only thing we chelate every other weekend, he should have them

> then .

> > We have been giving supplements for over 2 years.

> > Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

> > Joyce.

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I am going to try today. Who knows - perhaps will be able to return him on

Enhansa with the help of No Phenol.

But also - you suggested that he's low on Mg (based on his hair elements test

results) and I just Googled " symptoms of low Mg " and OMG! It's like I wrote this

about our son:

MAGNESIUM, CHILDREN & ADD

Signs of low magnesium in children include - restless, can't keep still, body

rocking, grinding teeth, hiccups, noise sensitive, poor attention span, poor

concentration, irritable, aggressive, ready to explode, easily stressed, growing

pains

, you should start charging consultation fees! )

________________________________

From: Ross <mrossgrp@...>

Sent: Tue, April 6, 2010 1:36:26 PM

Subject: Re: [ ] Wondering about supplements.

Lena Khais wrote:

>

>

> Is it ok to give with other enzymes?

>

Yes. Give together with the suspected phenol food or product.

Enhansa (curcumin) is very high-phenol. There's another clue.

> He is already on lipase (for fats) and Zyme Prime.

>

> Thank you

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> From: Ross <mrossgrpgmail (DOT) com <mailto:mrossgrp% 40gmail.com> >

>

> <mailto:Autism- Mercury%40>

> Sent: Tue, April 6, 2010 1:17:34 PM

> Subject: Re: [ ] Wondering about supplements.

>

> Lena Khais wrote:

> >

> >

> > Joyce,

> >

> > we had a very similar experience. We had to stop all supplements for

> > 48 hours before doing a stool test and I could swear he was almost

> > better off without them... I think I even posted about it a week or so

> > ago. I've learned on this forum that many go on a " supplement

> > vacation " for a little bit and then reintroduce supplements one by one

> > to see if all of them are in fact needed. We contemplated that but

> > because we have just started chelating (we did 5 rounds, one every

> > Fri-Mon), I am afraid to take him off...

> >

> > In our case, we have stopped Enhansea (definitely caused him a lot of

> > aggression, hyperactivity. .. which is a shame because he was doing

> > well on it on the starter dose of 75 mg x 2 day)... but other than

> > that - he is still on multi-vit (compounded) , fish oils, E, extra C on

> > rounds, and a truckload of probiotics (I'm not kidding you! )

> >

> > Interestingly, others on this forum suggested to us that because we

> > use a LOT of apple sauce and OJ to mix in supplements in to give to

> > him - that he can be reacting to phenols (which apples and OJ is very

> > high on) rather than supplements. So when we stopped giving him

> > supplements, inadvertently we stopped apple sauce and OJ... I would

> > like to test that idea...

> >

> Easily done by giving one or two NoFenol.

>

>

>

> > so need to look into what other fruit pures I can use to dump in all

> > his supps in... Perhaps pear...

> >

> > I am not sure if there is a way to take all the supplements while ON

> > round and not take anything OFF rounds? Somehow I don't think it is a

> > good idea but I can't really substantiate that...

> >

> > Lena

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > From: stemcellsugars3 <joyce.beck@ accesscomm.ca

> > <mailto:joyce. beck%40accesscomm.ca>>

> >

> > <mailto:Autism- Mercury%40>

> > Sent: Tue, April 6, 2010 11:49:35 AM

> > Subject: [ ] Wondering about supplements.

> >

> > We had my grandson stop all vitamins and minerals for the 3 day long

> > weekend, and he seemed he was not near as hyper.

> > We started him back last night, and he is very hyper again this

> > A.M,Could it be possible he doesnt need all these supplements

> > anymore?Could someone please comment on this for us.

> > Would it be okay to take him off them for awhile?

> > The only thing we chelate every other weekend, he should have them

> then .

> > We have been giving supplements for over 2 years.

> > Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

> > Joyce.

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Lena Khais wrote:

>

>

> I am going to try today. Who knows - perhaps will be able to return

> him on Enhansa with the help of No Phenol.

>

> But also - you suggested that he's low on Mg (based on his hair

> elements test results) and I just Googled " symptoms of low Mg " and

> OMG! It's like I wrote this about our son:

>

> MAGNESIUM, CHILDREN & ADD

> Signs of low magnesium in children include - restless, can't keep

> still, body rocking, grinding teeth, hiccups, noise sensitive, poor

> attention span, poor concentration, irritable, aggressive, ready to

> explode, easily stressed, growing pains

>

> , you should start charging consultation fees! )

>

You are very kind, but all I do is parrot the words and knowledge of

Andy Cutler, and sometimes (per Andy) not very well at that...

If there is very low bowel tolerance to Mg orally (you never said how

much you had given and what kind), soaking in a bath of Epsom Salts and

water as hot as tolerable can help.

>

> ________________________________

> From: Ross <mrossgrp@... <mailto:mrossgrp%40gmail.com>>

>

> <mailto: %40>

> Sent: Tue, April 6, 2010 1:36:26 PM

> Subject: Re: [ ] Wondering about supplements.

>

> Lena Khais wrote:

> >

> >

> > Is it ok to give with other enzymes?

> >

> Yes. Give together with the suspected phenol food or product.

>

> Enhansa (curcumin) is very high-phenol. There's another clue.

>

>

>

> > He is already on lipase (for fats) and Zyme Prime.

> >

> > Thank you

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > From: Ross <mrossgrpgmail (DOT) com <mailto:mrossgrp% 40gmail.com> >

> >

> > <mailto:Autism- Mercury%40>

> > Sent: Tue, April 6, 2010 1:17:34 PM

> > Subject: Re: [ ] Wondering about supplements.

> >

> > Lena Khais wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Joyce,

> > >

> > > we had a very similar experience. We had to stop all supplements for

> > > 48 hours before doing a stool test and I could swear he was almost

> > > better off without them... I think I even posted about it a week or so

> > > ago. I've learned on this forum that many go on a " supplement

> > > vacation " for a little bit and then reintroduce supplements one by one

> > > to see if all of them are in fact needed. We contemplated that but

> > > because we have just started chelating (we did 5 rounds, one every

> > > Fri-Mon), I am afraid to take him off...

> > >

> > > In our case, we have stopped Enhansea (definitely caused him a lot of

> > > aggression, hyperactivity. .. which is a shame because he was doing

> > > well on it on the starter dose of 75 mg x 2 day)... but other than

> > > that - he is still on multi-vit (compounded) , fish oils, E, extra

> C on

> > > rounds, and a truckload of probiotics (I'm not kidding you! )

> > >

> > > Interestingly, others on this forum suggested to us that because we

> > > use a LOT of apple sauce and OJ to mix in supplements in to give to

> > > him - that he can be reacting to phenols (which apples and OJ is very

> > > high on) rather than supplements. So when we stopped giving him

> > > supplements, inadvertently we stopped apple sauce and OJ... I would

> > > like to test that idea...

> > >

> > Easily done by giving one or two NoFenol.

> >

> >

> >

> > > so need to look into what other fruit pures I can use to dump in all

> > > his supps in... Perhaps pear...

> > >

> > > I am not sure if there is a way to take all the supplements while ON

> > > round and not take anything OFF rounds? Somehow I don't think it is a

> > > good idea but I can't really substantiate that...

> > >

> > > Lena

> > >

> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > From: stemcellsugars3 <joyce.beck@ accesscomm.ca

> > > <mailto:joyce. beck%40accesscomm.ca>>

> > >

> > > <mailto:Autism- Mercury%40>

> > > Sent: Tue, April 6, 2010 11:49:35 AM

> > > Subject: [ ] Wondering about supplements.

> > >

> > > We had my grandson stop all vitamins and minerals for the 3 day long

> > > weekend, and he seemed he was not near as hyper.

> > > We started him back last night, and he is very hyper again this

> > > A.M,Could it be possible he doesnt need all these supplements

> > > anymore?Could someone please comment on this for us.

> > > Would it be okay to take him off them for awhile?

> > > The only thing we chelate every other weekend, he should have them

> > then .

> > > We have been giving supplements for over 2 years.

> > > Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

> > > Joyce.

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Lena,

can you take the Enhansa back down to the beneficial dose?

> > >

> > >

> > > Joyce,

> > >

> > > we had a very similar experience. We had to stop all supplements for

> > > 48 hours before doing a stool test and I could swear he was almost

> > > better off without them... I think I even posted about it a week or so

> > > ago. I've learned on this forum that many go on a " supplement

> > > vacation " for a little bit and then reintroduce supplements one by one

> > > to see if all of them are in fact needed. We contemplated that but

> > > because we have just started chelating (we did 5 rounds, one every

> > > Fri-Mon), I am afraid to take him off...

> > >

> > > In our case, we have stopped Enhansea (definitely caused him a lot of

> > > aggression, hyperactivity. .. which is a shame because he was doing

> > > well on it on the starter dose of 75 mg x 2 day)... but other than

> > > that - he is still on multi-vit (compounded) , fish oils, E, extra C on

> > > rounds, and a truckload of probiotics (I'm not kidding you! )

> > >

> > > Interestingly, others on this forum suggested to us that because we

> > > use a LOT of apple sauce and OJ to mix in supplements in to give to

> > > him - that he can be reacting to phenols (which apples and OJ is very

> > > high on) rather than supplements. So when we stopped giving him

> > > supplements, inadvertently we stopped apple sauce and OJ... I would

> > > like to test that idea...

> > >

> > Easily done by giving one or two NoFenol.

> >

> >

> >

> > > so need to look into what other fruit pures I can use to dump in all

> > > his supps in... Perhaps pear...

> > >

> > > I am not sure if there is a way to take all the supplements while ON

> > > round and not take anything OFF rounds? Somehow I don't think it is a

> > > good idea but I can't really substantiate that...

> > >

> > > Lena

> > >

> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > From: stemcellsugars3 <joyce.beck@accessco mm.ca

> > > <mailto:joyce. beck%40accesscom m.ca>>

> > >

> > > <mailto:Autism- Mercury%40g roups.com>

> > > Sent: Tue, April 6, 2010 11:49:35 AM

> > > Subject: [ ] Wondering about supplements.

> > >

> > > We had my grandson stop all vitamins and minerals for the 3 day long

> > > weekend, and he seemed he was not near as hyper.

> > > We started him back last night, and he is very hyper again this

> > > A.M,Could it be possible he doesnt need all these supplements

> > > anymore?Could someone please comment on this for us.

> > > Would it be okay to take him off them for awhile?

> > > The only thing we chelate every other weekend, he should have them

> > then .

> > > We have been giving supplements for over 2 years.

> > > Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

> > > Joyce.

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

You should also use molybdenum if you are not already. This resolved my son's

phenol issues and resulted in a significant improvement overall for him. We do

1200 mg of Enhansa with no phenol issues. He gets 1000 mcgs of moly a day.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Joyce,

> > > >

> > > > we had a very similar experience. We had to stop all supplements for

> > > > 48 hours before doing a stool test and I could swear he was almost

> > > > better off without them... I think I even posted about it a week or so

> > > > ago. I've learned on this forum that many go on a " supplement

> > > > vacation " for a little bit and then reintroduce supplements one by one

> > > > to see if all of them are in fact needed. We contemplated that but

> > > > because we have just started chelating (we did 5 rounds, one every

> > > > Fri-Mon), I am afraid to take him off...

> > > >

> > > > In our case, we have stopped Enhansea (definitely caused him a lot of

> > > > aggression, hyperactivity. .. which is a shame because he was doing

> > > > well on it on the starter dose of 75 mg x 2 day)... but other than

> > > > that - he is still on multi-vit (compounded) , fish oils, E, extra C on

> > > > rounds, and a truckload of probiotics (I'm not kidding you! )

> > > >

> > > > Interestingly, others on this forum suggested to us that because we

> > > > use a LOT of apple sauce and OJ to mix in supplements in to give to

> > > > him - that he can be reacting to phenols (which apples and OJ is very

> > > > high on) rather than supplements. So when we stopped giving him

> > > > supplements, inadvertently we stopped apple sauce and OJ... I would

> > > > like to test that idea...

> > > >

> > > Easily done by giving one or two NoFenol.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > > so need to look into what other fruit pures I can use to dump in all

> > > > his supps in... Perhaps pear...

> > > >

> > > > I am not sure if there is a way to take all the supplements while ON

> > > > round and not take anything OFF rounds? Somehow I don't think it is a

> > > > good idea but I can't really substantiate that...

> > > >

> > > > Lena

> > > >

> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > From: stemcellsugars3 <joyce.beck@accessco mm.ca

> > > > <mailto:joyce. beck%40accesscom m.ca>>

> > > >

> > > > <mailto:Autism- Mercury%40g roups.com>

> > > > Sent: Tue, April 6, 2010 11:49:35 AM

> > > > Subject: [ ] Wondering about supplements.

> > > >

> > > > We had my grandson stop all vitamins and minerals for the 3 day long

> > > > weekend, and he seemed he was not near as hyper.

> > > > We started him back last night, and he is very hyper again this

> > > > A.M,Could it be possible he doesnt need all these supplements

> > > > anymore?Could someone please comment on this for us.

> > > > Would it be okay to take him off them for awhile?

> > > > The only thing we chelate every other weekend, he should have them

> > > then .

> > > > We have been giving supplements for over 2 years.

> > > > Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

> > > > Joyce.

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

> We had my grandson stop all vitamins and minerals for the 3 day long weekend,

and he seemed he was not near as hyper.

It sounds like he either does not tolerate one or more of them, or he no longer

needs one or more of them.

Dana

[Guest guest]

, that's interesting... he has some molybdenum in his compounded multi mix

but it is only 75 mcg... How did you come about using it to manage phenol

issues? Can you let me know how much your son weighs? And what improvements have

you seen? Sorry for all the questions!

Pam, I sometimes think about starting him back again on the starter dose (75 mg

x 2 day)... but I am too afraid because he was pretty nasty when we took him off

(he was on 150 mg x 2 day)... Perhaps if I figure out this phenol issue...

Lena

________________________________

From: <ckrupa3672@...>

Sent: Tue, April 6, 2010 4:24:51 PM

Subject: [ ] Re: Wondering about supplements.

You should also use molybdenum if you are not already. This resolved my son's

phenol issues and resulted in a significant improvement overall for him. We do

1200 mg of Enhansa with no phenol issues. He gets 1000 mcgs of moly a day.

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> > > > Joyce,

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> > > > we had a very similar experience. We had to stop all supplements for

> > > > 48 hours before doing a stool test and I could swear he was almost

> > > > better off without them... I think I even posted about it a week or so

> > > > ago. I've learned on this forum that many go on a " supplement

> > > > vacation " for a little bit and then reintroduce supplements one by one

> > > > to see if all of them are in fact needed. We contemplated that but

> > > > because we have just started chelating (we did 5 rounds, one every

> > > > Fri-Mon), I am afraid to take him off...

> > > >

> > > > In our case, we have stopped Enhansea (definitely caused him a lot of

> > > > aggression, hyperactivity. .. which is a shame because he was doing

> > > > well on it on the starter dose of 75 mg x 2 day)... but other than

> > > > that - he is still on multi-vit (compounded) , fish oils, E, extra C on

> > > > rounds, and a truckload of probiotics (I'm not kidding you! )

> > > >

> > > > Interestingly, others on this forum suggested to us that because we

> > > > use a LOT of apple sauce and OJ to mix in supplements in to give to

> > > > him - that he can be reacting to phenols (which apples and OJ is very

> > > > high on) rather than supplements. So when we stopped giving him

> > > > supplements, inadvertently we stopped apple sauce and OJ... I would

> > > > like to test that idea...

> > > >

> > > Easily done by giving one or two NoFenol.

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> > >

> > >

> > > > so need to look into what other fruit pures I can use to dump in all

> > > > his supps in... Perhaps pear...

> > > >

> > > > I am not sure if there is a way to take all the supplements while ON

> > > > round and not take anything OFF rounds? Somehow I don't think it is a

> > > > good idea but I can't really substantiate that...

> > > >

> > > > Lena

> > > >

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> > > > From: stemcellsugars3 <joyce.beck@ accesscomm.ca

> > > > <mailto:joyce. beck%40accesscomm.ca>>

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> > > > <mailto:Autism- Mercury%40>

> > > > Sent: Tue, April 6, 2010 11:49:35 AM

> > > > Subject: [ ] Wondering about supplements.

> > > >

> > > > We had my grandson stop all vitamins and minerals for the 3 day long

> > > > weekend, and he seemed he was not near as hyper.

> > > > We started him back last night, and he is very hyper again this

> > > > A.M,Could it be possible he doesnt need all these supplements

> > > > anymore?Could someone please comment on this for us.

> > > > Would it be okay to take him off them for awhile?

> > > > The only thing we chelate every other weekend, he should have them

> > > then .

> > > > We have been giving supplements for over 2 years.

> > > > Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

> > > > Joyce.

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