Guest guest Posted November 21, 2010 Report Share Posted November 21, 2010 Folks: I'm considering using the Cutler Method for my son . Can people give me an indication about whether this method has worked for them. I have a lot of reading to do yet but wanted to know whether the following approach is reasonable: 1. do hair test (http://home.earthlink.net/~moriam/HOW_TO_hair_test.html#counting_rules) 2. try supplements 3. if hair test comes back positive, do chelation.... if not then to a short trial chelation to see if it works for sure. What are the dangers of following these rules. What are the success rates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 21, 2010 Report Share Posted November 21, 2010 Your not going to find a " success rate " Get your child on the supps get the hair test and then try it. There really is no question if your going to chelate and you don't want to play Russian roullette with your Childs health including making them worse than you use the cutler protocol. If you want to risk all that use a different protocol like DAN! > > Folks: > > I'm considering using the Cutler Method for my son . Can people give me an indication about whether this method has worked for them. I have a lot of reading to do yet but wanted to know whether the following approach is reasonable: > > 1. do hair test (http://home.earthlink.net/~moriam/HOW_TO_hair_test.html#counting_rules) > > 2. try supplements > > 3. if hair test comes back positive, do chelation.... if not then to a short trial chelation to see if it works for sure. > > What are the dangers of following these rules. What are the success rates. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 21, 2010 Report Share Posted November 21, 2010 > > Folks: > > I'm considering using the Cutler Method for my son . Can people give me an indication about whether this method has worked for them. You'll find the following informative http://home.earthlink.net/~moriam/LOVE_LETTERS.html some reports are given in my book Hair Test Interpretation ( www.noamalgam.com/hairtestbook.html ) >I have a lot of reading to do yet but wanted to know whether the following approach is reasonable: > > 1. do hair test (http://home.earthlink.net/~moriam/HOW_TO_hair_test.html#counting_rules) yes. > 2. try supplements yes. > 3. if hair test comes back positive, do chelation.... Yes. >if not then to a short trial chelation to see if it works for sure. Yes. And if the hair test says 'normal' and chelation doesn't do anything, then it isn't going to work. The longest trial you need is 5 or 10 weekends of chelating. Most people know pretty clearly before that is up. > > What are the dangers of following these rules. Nil as long as you follow a proper protocol and stop things if they're obviously not agreeing with your kid. >What are the success rates. Pretty good. The limiting factor is simply the parents sticking to it if it is working because chelation is slow, arduous and boring. You may be at it for years. Progress slows down as you go - it is an exponential decay from where you are to 'normal' once you're through the 'detox roller coaster ride' (described on page 52 of my book Amalgam Illness - www.noamalgam.com ) and this leads to a lot of people stopping too early. Generally the less sick/poisoned kids have a greater chance of becoming totally normal. Thus of autistic children perhaps half get totally completely well if the parents can stick to this (and a quarter just do not respond to chelation at all), while for ADHD or dyslexia it is much more likely they just get all better if they respond at all. Also, remember, you aren't making a years or lifetime long commitment just because you buy a bottle of pills. You can always change your mind later if you decide something else is more appropriate. The important things are to do chelation properly if you are going to do it, and to not get too distracted by optimizing diets, supplements, testing your kid until you go broke, etc. Find things that help enough to be worth the effort, do them and stick to them, move forward. BTW, the Nourishing Hope book is pretty good too (as long as you ignore what it says about how you should chelate) and gives you a good discussion of the dietary choices if you want to try them. Andy http://www.noamalgam.com/index.html Amalgam Illness: Diagnosis and Treatment http://www.noamalgam.com/hairtestbook.html Hair Test Interpretation: Finding Hidden Toxicities http://www.noamalgam.com/nourishinghope.html Nourishing Hope for Autism: Nutrition Intervention for Healing Our Children http://www.noamalgam.com/biologicaltreatments.html Biological Treatments for Autism and PDD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2010 Report Share Posted November 22, 2010 Dr. Cutler, Thank you very much. Can you post the dosages for the supplements? My wife and I would like to give it a try for our little boy. We will read your book and try to give it a go over the Christmas break. Thank you for being so accessible. Do you know where I can find good statistics on Hg in food (e.g., tuna, Themerasol, and fillings). I know studies have been done that show animals have autistic like behavior with Hg... was that metallic Hg (like in fillings), methyl-Hg, or ethyl-Hg (like in Thermarasol). Thanks, Tom > > > > Folks: > > > > I'm considering using the Cutler Method for my son . Can people give me an indication about whether this method has worked for them. > > You'll find the following informative > > http://home.earthlink.net/~moriam/LOVE_LETTERS.html > > some reports are given in my book Hair Test Interpretation > ( www.noamalgam.com/hairtestbook.html ) > > >I have a lot of reading to do yet but wanted to know whether the following approach is reasonable: > > > > 1. do hair test (http://home.earthlink.net/~moriam/HOW_TO_hair_test.html#counting_rules) > > yes. > > > 2. try supplements > > yes. > > > 3. if hair test comes back positive, do chelation.... > > Yes. > > >if not then to a short trial chelation to see if it works for sure. > > Yes. > > And if the hair test says 'normal' and chelation doesn't do anything, then it isn't going to work. The longest trial you need is 5 or 10 weekends of chelating. Most people know pretty clearly before that is up. > > > > What are the dangers of following these rules. > > Nil as long as you follow a proper protocol and stop things if they're obviously not agreeing with your kid. > > >What are the success rates. > > Pretty good. > > The limiting factor is simply the parents sticking to it if it is working because chelation is slow, arduous and boring. You may be at it for years. Progress slows down as you go - it is an exponential decay from where you are to 'normal' once you're through the 'detox roller coaster ride' (described on page 52 of my book Amalgam Illness - www.noamalgam.com ) and this leads to a lot of people stopping too early. > > Generally the less sick/poisoned kids have a greater chance of becoming totally normal. Thus of autistic children perhaps half get totally completely well if the parents can stick to this (and a quarter just do not respond to chelation at all), while for ADHD or dyslexia it is much more likely they just get all better if they respond at all. > > Also, remember, you aren't making a years or lifetime long commitment just because you buy a bottle of pills. You can always change your mind later if you decide something else is more appropriate. > > The important things are to do chelation properly if you are going to do it, and to not get too distracted by optimizing diets, supplements, testing your kid until you go broke, etc. Find things that help enough to be worth the effort, do them and stick to them, move forward. > > BTW, the Nourishing Hope book is pretty good too (as long as you ignore what it says about how you should chelate) and gives you a good discussion of the dietary choices if you want to try them. > > Andy > > http://www.noamalgam.com/index.html > Amalgam Illness: Diagnosis and Treatment > > http://www.noamalgam.com/hairtestbook.html > Hair Test Interpretation: Finding Hidden Toxicities > > http://www.noamalgam.com/nourishinghope.html > Nourishing Hope for Autism: Nutrition Intervention for Healing Our Children > > http://www.noamalgam.com/biologicaltreatments.html > Biological Treatments for Autism and PDD > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2010 Report Share Posted November 22, 2010 Sounds like a good plan to me. If your son has mercury toxicity the success rate if you stick with it for a long time is extremely high. If he has mercury, he will get better with proper chelation. A hair test will help a lot with diagnosis and so will trial rounds if the hair test came back negative. > > Folks: > > I'm considering using the Cutler Method for my son . Can people give me an indication about whether this method has worked for them. I have a lot of reading to do yet but wanted to know whether the following approach is reasonable: > > 1. do hair test (http://home.earthlink.net/~moriam/HOW_TO_hair_test.html#counting_rules) > > 2. try supplements > > 3. if hair test comes back positive, do chelation.... if not then to a short trial chelation to see if it works for sure. > > What are the dangers of following these rules. What are the success rates. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2010 Report Share Posted November 22, 2010 Hair elements is the one you need, that has both essential and toxic elements on it and can be used for Counting Rules Mandi in UK In a message dated 23/11/2010 00:24:51 GMT Standard Time, davidsdad@... writes: Dr. Cutler, Which hair test from doctor's data? Hair Elements or Hair toxic element exposure profile? _http://www.doctorsdata.com/tests_assessments_info.asp_ (http://www.doctorsdata.com/tests_assessments_info.asp) Thanks so much. Tom > > > > Folks: > > > > I'm considering using the Cutler Method for my son . Can people give me an indication about whether this method has worked for them. > > You'll find the following informative > > _http://home.earthlink.net/~moriam/LOVE_LETTERS.html_ (http://home.earthlink.net/~moriam/LOVE_LETTERS.html) > > some reports are given in my book Hair Test Interpretation > ( www.noamalgam.com/hairtestbook.html ) > > >I have a lot of reading to do yet but wanted to know whether the following approach is reasonable: > > > > 1. do hair test (_http://home.earthlink.net/~moriam/HOW_TO_hair_test.html#counting_rules_ (http://home.earthlink.net/~moriam/HOW_TO_hair_test.html#counting_rules) ) > > yes. > > > 2. try supplements > > yes. > > > 3. if hair test comes back positive, do chelation.... > > Yes. > > >if not then to a short trial chelation to see if it works for sure. > > Yes. > > And if the hair test says 'normal' and chelation doesn't do anything, then it isn't going to work. The longest trial you need is 5 or 10 weekends of chelating. Most people know pretty clearly before that is up. > > > > What are the dangers of following these rules. > > Nil as long as you follow a proper protocol and stop things if they're obviously not agreeing with your kid. > > >What are the success rates. > > Pretty good. > > The limiting factor is simply the parents sticking to it if it is working because chelation is slow, arduous and boring. You may be at it for years. Progress slows down as you go - it is an exponential decay from where you are to 'normal' once you're through the 'detox roller coaster ride' (described on page 52 of my book Amalgam Illness - www.noamalgam.com ) and this leads to a lot of people stopping too early. > > Generally the less sick/poisoned kids have a greater chance of becoming totally normal. Thus of autistic children perhaps half get totally completely well if the parents can stick to this (and a quarter just do not respond to chelation at all), while for ADHD or dyslexia it is much more likely they just get all better if they respond at all. > > Also, remember, you aren't making a years or lifetime long commitment just because you buy a bottle of pills. You can always change your mind later if you decide something else is more appropriate. > > The important things are to do chelation properly if you are going to do it, and to not get too distracted by optimizing diets, supplements, testing your kid until you go broke, etc. Find things that help enough to be worth the effort, do them and stick to them, move forward. > > BTW, the Nourishing Hope book is pretty good too (as long as you ignore what it says about how you should chelate) and gives you a good discussion of the dietary choices if you want to try them. > > Andy > > _http://www.noamalgam.com/index.html_ (http://www.noamalgam.com/index.html) > Amalgam Illness: Diagnosis and Treatment > > _http://www.noamalgam.com/hairtestbook.html_ (http://www.noamalgam.com/hairtestbook.html) > Hair Test Interpretation: Finding Hidden Toxicities > > _http://www.noamalgam.com/nourishinghope.html_ (http://www.noamalgam.com/nourishinghope.html) > Nourishing Hope for Autism: Nutrition Intervention for Healing Our Children > > _http://www.noamalgam.com/biologicaltreatments.html_ (http://www.noamalgam.com/biologicaltreatments.html) > Biological Treatments for Autism and PDD > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2010 Report Share Posted November 22, 2010 Hello Tom Hg is not just in foods but also in cosmetics and places you will be surprised to learn.Just wanted to say .............you do not worry about hg only....there is lead,tin nickle,arsenic etc..........long list.Book i read was turning lead to gold.........its older but has a lot of sources where these are found.Dr cutler in his book shares a few sources for all of these. Most of our kids have multiple heavy metals...............most of us adults do too.Kids are growing physically and mentally..........so these show as metal disorders,like the world calls it.We have stopped growing mentally but still show illness. What im trying to say is yes there is a lot im learning and changing our life style,from moisturizer we use to food we eat to mattress we sleep and cookware we cook in.there are heavy metals in just air we breath and water we drink. we started chelating recently and changing our life style as we go. Kara ________________________________ From: " davidsdad@... " <davidsdad@...> Sent: Mon, November 22, 2010 10:10:31 AM Subject: [ ] Re: Andy Cutler method Dr. Cutler, Thank you very much. Can you post the dosages for the supplements? My wife and I would like to give it a try for our little boy. We will read your book and try to give it a go over the Christmas break. Thank you for being so accessible. Do you know where I can find good statistics on Hg in food (e.g., tuna, Themerasol, and fillings). I know studies have been done that show animals have autistic like behavior with Hg... was that metallic Hg (like in fillings), methyl-Hg, or ethyl-Hg (like in Thermarasol). Thanks, Tom > > > > Folks: > > > > I'm considering using the Cutler Method for my son . Can people give me >an indication about whether this method has worked for them. > > > You'll find the following informative > > http://home.earthlink.net/~moriam/LOVE_LETTERS.html > > some reports are given in my book Hair Test Interpretation > ( www.noamalgam.com/hairtestbook.html ) > > >I have a lot of reading to do yet but wanted to know whether the following >approach is reasonable: > > > > > 1. do hair test >(http://home.earthlink.net/~moriam/HOW_TO_hair_test.html#counting_rules) > > yes. > > > 2. try supplements > > yes. > > > 3. if hair test comes back positive, do chelation.... > > Yes. > > >if not then to a short trial chelation to see if it works for sure. > > Yes. > > And if the hair test says 'normal' and chelation doesn't do anything, then it >isn't going to work. The longest trial you need is 5 or 10 weekends of >chelating. Most people know pretty clearly before that is up. > > > > > What are the dangers of following these rules. > > Nil as long as you follow a proper protocol and stop things if they're >obviously not agreeing with your kid. > > >What are the success rates. > > Pretty good. > > The limiting factor is simply the parents sticking to it if it is working >because chelation is slow, arduous and boring. You may be at it for years. >Progress slows down as you go - it is an exponential decay from where you are to >'normal' once you're through the 'detox roller coaster ride' (described on page >52 of my book Amalgam Illness - www.noamalgam.com ) and this leads to a lot of >people stopping too early. > > Generally the less sick/poisoned kids have a greater chance of becoming totally >normal. Thus of autistic children perhaps half get totally completely well if >the parents can stick to this (and a quarter just do not respond to chelation at >all), while for ADHD or dyslexia it is much more likely they just get all better >if they respond at all. > > Also, remember, you aren't making a years or lifetime long commitment just >because you buy a bottle of pills. You can always change your mind later if you >decide something else is more appropriate. > > The important things are to do chelation properly if you are going to do it, >and to not get too distracted by optimizing diets, supplements, testing your kid >until you go broke, etc. Find things that help enough to be worth the effort, >do them and stick to them, move forward. > > BTW, the Nourishing Hope book is pretty good too (as long as you ignore what it >says about how you should chelate) and gives you a good discussion of the >dietary choices if you want to try them. > > Andy > > http://www.noamalgam.com/index.html > Amalgam Illness: Diagnosis and Treatment > > http://www.noamalgam.com/hairtestbook.html > Hair Test Interpretation: Finding Hidden Toxicities > > http://www.noamalgam.com/nourishinghope.html > Nourishing Hope for Autism: Nutrition Intervention for Healing Our Children > > http://www.noamalgam.com/biologicaltreatments.html > Biological Treatments for Autism and PDD > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2010 Report Share Posted November 22, 2010 Dr. Cutler, Which hair test from doctor's data? Hair Elements or Hair toxic element exposure profile? http://www.doctorsdata.com/tests_assessments_info.asp Thanks so much. Tom > > > > Folks: > > > > I'm considering using the Cutler Method for my son . Can people give me an indication about whether this method has worked for them. > > You'll find the following informative > > http://home.earthlink.net/~moriam/LOVE_LETTERS.html > > some reports are given in my book Hair Test Interpretation > ( www.noamalgam.com/hairtestbook.html ) > > >I have a lot of reading to do yet but wanted to know whether the following approach is reasonable: > > > > 1. do hair test (http://home.earthlink.net/~moriam/HOW_TO_hair_test.html#counting_rules) > > yes. > > > 2. try supplements > > yes. > > > 3. if hair test comes back positive, do chelation.... > > Yes. > > >if not then to a short trial chelation to see if it works for sure. > > Yes. > > And if the hair test says 'normal' and chelation doesn't do anything, then it isn't going to work. The longest trial you need is 5 or 10 weekends of chelating. Most people know pretty clearly before that is up. > > > > What are the dangers of following these rules. > > Nil as long as you follow a proper protocol and stop things if they're obviously not agreeing with your kid. > > >What are the success rates. > > Pretty good. > > The limiting factor is simply the parents sticking to it if it is working because chelation is slow, arduous and boring. You may be at it for years. Progress slows down as you go - it is an exponential decay from where you are to 'normal' once you're through the 'detox roller coaster ride' (described on page 52 of my book Amalgam Illness - www.noamalgam.com ) and this leads to a lot of people stopping too early. > > Generally the less sick/poisoned kids have a greater chance of becoming totally normal. Thus of autistic children perhaps half get totally completely well if the parents can stick to this (and a quarter just do not respond to chelation at all), while for ADHD or dyslexia it is much more likely they just get all better if they respond at all. > > Also, remember, you aren't making a years or lifetime long commitment just because you buy a bottle of pills. You can always change your mind later if you decide something else is more appropriate. > > The important things are to do chelation properly if you are going to do it, and to not get too distracted by optimizing diets, supplements, testing your kid until you go broke, etc. Find things that help enough to be worth the effort, do them and stick to them, move forward. > > BTW, the Nourishing Hope book is pretty good too (as long as you ignore what it says about how you should chelate) and gives you a good discussion of the dietary choices if you want to try them. > > Andy > > http://www.noamalgam.com/index.html > Amalgam Illness: Diagnosis and Treatment > > http://www.noamalgam.com/hairtestbook.html > Hair Test Interpretation: Finding Hidden Toxicities > > http://www.noamalgam.com/nourishinghope.html > Nourishing Hope for Autism: Nutrition Intervention for Healing Our Children > > http://www.noamalgam.com/biologicaltreatments.html > Biological Treatments for Autism and PDD > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2010 Report Share Posted November 22, 2010 > > Dr. Cutler, > > Which hair test from doctor's data? Hair Elements' Yes. > or Hair toxic element exposure profile? No. >http://www.doctorsdata.com/tests_assessments_info.asp > > Thanks so much. > > Tom > > > Andy http://www.noamalgam.com/index.html Amalgam Illness: Diagnosis and Treatment http://www.noamalgam.com/hairtestbook.html Hair Test Interpretation: Finding Hidden Toxicities http://www.noamalgam.com/nourishinghope.html Nourishing Hope for Autism: Nutrition Intervention for Healing Our Children http://www.noamalgam.com/biologicaltreatments.html Biological Treatments for Autism and PDD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2010 Report Share Posted November 22, 2010 Dr. Cutler, I have a few questions (I am sorry if I'm asking too many). 1) earlier, you recommended for vitamin A --- 25000-50000 IU a day ---- this seems high for a 50 lb kid. We just want to make sure before we give it to him. (below I have your recommendations from a previous email you sent to me) 2) For zn, you recommended 50 to 100 mg. My wife read that excess Zn can lead to Cu toxicity since there is supposed to be a specific ratio of Zn:Cu. 3) We have Kirkman buffered Mg Glycinate (100 mg Mg as Glycinate). You indicated 100 to 200 mg in several doses per day. Can we break up the capsules so we can dose him 4 times. Or does it need to be taken as a capsule. Thanks, Tom C 500-1000 mg Mg 100-200 mg Mg equivalent E 1000 IU a day A 25000-50000 IU a day. Zn 50-100 mg. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2010 Report Share Posted November 22, 2010 Not Dr Cutler by any stretch but why does that Seem high? Your basing it on dr's who. Know mysteriously claim vitamin a is toxic and dangerous but used to prescribe it in large doses regularly.....it's safe and that's the right dose. > > Dr. Cutler, > > > I have a few questions (I am sorry if I'm asking too many). > > 1) earlier, you recommended for vitamin A --- 25000-50000 IU a day ---- this seems high for a 50 lb kid. We just want to make sure before we give it to him. (below I have your recommendations from a previous email you sent to me) > > > 2) For zn, you recommended 50 to 100 mg. My wife read that excess Zn can lead to Cu toxicity since there is supposed to be a specific ratio of Zn:Cu. > > 3) We have Kirkman buffered Mg Glycinate (100 mg Mg as Glycinate). You indicated 100 to 200 mg in several doses per day. Can we break up the capsules so we can dose him 4 times. Or does it need to be taken as a capsule. > > Thanks, > > Tom > > > C 500-1000 mg > Mg 100-200 mg Mg equivalent > E 1000 IU a day > A 25000-50000 IU a day. > Zn 50-100 mg. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2010 Report Share Posted November 22, 2010 > > Dr. Cutler, > > > I have a few questions (I am sorry if I'm asking too many). > > 1) earlier, you recommended for vitamin A --- 25000-50000 IU a day ---- this seems high for a 50 lb kid. This is correct. For boys only. >We just want to make sure before we give it to him. (below I have your recommendations from a previous email you sent to me) > > > 2) For zn, you recommended 50 to 100 mg. My wife read that excess Zn can lead to Cu toxicity since there is supposed to be a specific ratio of Zn:Cu. Many mentally ill people pretending to be health care practitioners share this delusion so it is all over the web. I've never seen it happen nor heard of it happening from a credible source. Perhaps in theory it would be possible if a normal healthy person did this long term, but normal healthy people don't take pills routinely. People with mercury problems don't absorb zinc well (and soak up copper way too effciently) so it is almost impossible to give them enough, much less excessive amounts. > 3) We have Kirkman buffered Mg Glycinate (100 mg Mg as Glycinate). You indicated 100 to 200 mg in several doses per day. Can we break up the capsules so we can dose him 4 times. Yes. Taste it first. If it is icky, make sure it is in a capsule. It was 100-200 mg of MAGNESIUM, elemental equivalent, not of magnesium glycinate. Read carefully, probably that is 1 capsule 4 times a day. >Or does it need to be taken as a capsule. > > Thanks, > > Tom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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