Re: 15 rounds of chelation, do not see any improvement-need help

[Guest guest]

This is more than likely to take 2 years or more

Have you done hair test and porphrin test and confirmed you have heavy metals?

If so, you need ot get them out

You are removing heavy metals through chelation now, but you do not know where

they are being extracted from. It could be anywhere. It may be you have

successfully cleaned all the mercury out of his legs! In which case not

surprising no effect on thinking yet

Keep going

We are 18 rounds now

From: m.mat31@...

Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 14:39:46 +0000

Subject: [ ] 15 rounds of chelation, do not see any

improvement-need help

My son is 11 years old, 110lb and we just finished his 15 round of AC chelation

25mg of DMSA and ALA. He continues with his verbal stimming hyper, always is

congested after rounds,talks to himself all the time, brain fogy, hard to focus.

I give him the list of supplements that Andy suggests, Magnesim, Calcium, Cod

liver oil, Zinc, vitamin c, E, folic acid, molybdenum,milk thistle, along with

OLE 125mg 1/dayfor his strep, Biotin 10mg 3xday, GSE 250mg 1xday for yeast,

digestive enzyme, culturelle. I know he has herpes virus started lysine and then

stopped becuase I wanted to fight strep first. I am not sure what else to do, am

I missing anything? His nose congestion is getting very bad any ideas why? My

husband is asking me to stop since we don't see improvements-he does not believe

in chelation. I want to continue but I know I need to change and add a few

things. Maybe thyroid support? Any suggestions very much appreciated.

Thank you,

Mimoza

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[Guest guest]

It seems there is some reaction to the chelation.

Does it cause yeast? Yeast during chelation is caused by metals moving through

the gut. If you are having these issues, something is coming out.

Some results are subtle. We noticed improvements in sleep and a few other

physical things before any behavioral improvements.

My older son has problems with allergies and excema, which can be a side effect

of metals. Could be the congestion is allergies. My boy has to take prescription

medicine for this.

TJ

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From: mimoza_mali <m.mat31@...>

Sent: Tue, July 27, 2010 7:39:46 AM

Subject: [ ] 15 rounds of chelation, do not see any

improvement-need help

My son is 11 years old, 110lb and we just finished his 15 round of AC chelation

25mg of DMSA and ALA. He continues with his verbal stimming hyper, always is

congested after rounds,talks to himself all the time, brain fogy, hard to focus.

I give him the list of supplements that Andy suggests, Magnesim, Calcium, Cod

liver oil, Zinc, vitamin c, E, folic acid, molybdenum,milk thistle, along with

OLE 125mg 1/dayfor his strep, Biotin 10mg 3xday, GSE 250mg 1xday for yeast,

digestive enzyme, culturelle. I know he has herpes virus started lysine and then

stopped becuase I wanted to fight strep first. I am not sure what else to do,

am I missing anything? His nose congestion is getting very bad any ideas why? My

husband is asking me to stop since we don't see improvements-he does not believe

in chelation. I want to continue but I know I need to change and add a few

things. Maybe thyroid support? Any suggestions very much appreciated.

Thank you,

Mimoza

[Guest guest]

Here's something I wrote after over two years of chelation. I started when my

son was almost 8. The mental improvements took awhile. When my son was 100

pounds, I gave him the maximum dose of ALA, 50 mg per dose.

http://hatingautism.blogspot.com/2006/08/autistic-boy-makes-breakthrough-with_27\

..html?zx=167cc511dac62975

>

> My son is 11 years old, 110lb and we just finished his 15 round of AC

chelation 25mg of DMSA and ALA. He continues with his verbal stimming hyper,

always is congested after rounds,talks to himself all the time, brain fogy, hard

to focus. I give him the list of supplements that Andy suggests, Magnesim,

Calcium, Cod liver oil, Zinc, vitamin c, E, folic acid, molybdenum,milk thistle,

along with OLE 125mg 1/dayfor his strep, Biotin 10mg 3xday, GSE 250mg 1xday for

yeast, digestive enzyme, culturelle. I know he has herpes virus started lysine

and then stopped becuase I wanted to fight strep first. I am not sure what else

to do, am I missing anything? His nose congestion is getting very bad any ideas

why? My husband is asking me to stop since we don't see improvements-he does not

believe in chelation. I want to continue but I know I need to change and add a

few things. Maybe thyroid support? Any suggestions very much appreciated.

>

> Thank you,

> Mimoza

>

[Guest guest]

Hello,

I saw your list of supplements.. and notices no probiotics. You are giving so

many supplements to fight with yeast... but not feeding in healthy bacteria. It

may help adding pro-biotics.

Just a thought!

> >

> >

> > This is more than likely to take 2 years or more

> >

> >

> >

> > Have you done hair test and porphrin test and confirmed you have heavy

metals? If so, you need ot get them out

> >

> >

> >

> > You are removing heavy metals through chelation now, but you do not know

where they are being extracted from. It could be anywhere. It may be you have

successfully cleaned all the mercury out of his legs! In which case not

surprising no effect on thinking yet

> >

> >

> >

> > Keep going

> >

> >

> >

> > We are 18 rounds now

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > From: m.mat31@

> > Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 14:39:46 +0000

> > Subject: [ ] 15 rounds of chelation, do not see any

improvement-need help

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > My son is 11 years old, 110lb and we just finished his 15 round of AC

chelation 25mg of DMSA and ALA. He continues with his verbal stimming hyper,

always is congested after rounds,talks to himself all the time, brain fogy, hard

to focus. I give him the list of supplements that Andy suggests, Magnesim,

Calcium, Cod liver oil, Zinc, vitamin c, E, folic acid, molybdenum,milk thistle,

along with OLE 125mg 1/dayfor his strep, Biotin 10mg 3xday, GSE 250mg 1xday for

yeast, digestive enzyme, culturelle. I know he has herpes virus started lysine

and then stopped becuase I wanted to fight strep first. I am not sure what else

to do, am I missing anything? His nose congestion is getting very bad any ideas

why? My husband is asking me to stop since we don't see improvements-he does not

believe in chelation. I want to continue but I know I need to change and add a

few things. Maybe thyroid support? Any suggestions very much appreciated.

> >

> > Thank you,

> > Mimoza

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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[Guest guest]

I would stop for awhile and add some more supplements for yeast. More

probiotics, more antifungals, lots of epsom salt baths and give charcoal after

the antifungals. No sugar, very low sweets. I'd continue all the other supps

and start back up again in three weeks.

You are doing a good job, it is VERY difficult at first but you are doing the

right thing. I don't think I saw any improvement at all either in the first 15

rounds. In fact, I didn't see much of anything good till we took a long break.

Take care,

Liz

>

> My son is 11 years old, 110lb and we just finished his 15 round of AC

chelation 25mg of DMSA and ALA. He continues with his verbal stimming hyper,

always is congested after rounds,talks to himself all the time, brain fogy, hard

to focus. I give him the list of supplements that Andy suggests, Magnesim,

Calcium, Cod liver oil, Zinc, vitamin c, E, folic acid, molybdenum,milk thistle,

along with OLE 125mg 1/dayfor his strep, Biotin 10mg 3xday, GSE 250mg 1xday for

yeast, digestive enzyme, culturelle. I know he has herpes virus started lysine

and then stopped becuase I wanted to fight strep first. I am not sure what else

to do, am I missing anything? His nose congestion is getting very bad any ideas

why? My husband is asking me to stop since we don't see improvements-he does not

believe in chelation. I want to continue but I know I need to change and add a

few things. Maybe thyroid support? Any suggestions very much appreciated.

>

> Thank you,

> Mimoza

>

[Guest guest]

For us, the stuffy nose was usually yeast. We use GSE nasal spray and take

things like coconut oil (caprylic acid), pau d'arco, GSE, Candex...

When I've used OLE it was 2-3 times a day. But wait until you've done more

chelation before you ramp that up. Sounds like he's got enough toxins to deal

with as it is.

Are you dosing every 3 hours? Do his symptoms get worse before the next dose is

due? We found that dosing every 2.5 hours worked better in our home.

Have you tried doing just ALA rounds? DMSA lowers neutrophils which reduces the

body's ability to fight yeast. ALA only rounds are easier for my sons. I would

not go above 25mg and might go lower.

Are you giving the vit C, mag and milk thistle 4x a day? Are his poops dark and

regular or light?

Jo

>

> >

> > My son is 11 years old, 110lb and we just finished his 15 round of AC

chelation 25mg of DMSA and ALA. He continues with his verbal stimming hyper,

always is congested after rounds,talks to himself all the time, brain fogy, hard

to focus. I give him the list of supplements that Andy suggests, Magnesim,

Calcium, Cod liver oil, Zinc, vitamin c, E, folic acid, molybdenum,milk thistle,

along with OLE 125mg 1/dayfor his strep, Biotin 10mg 3xday, GSE 250mg 1xday for

yeast, digestive enzyme, culturelle. I know he has herpes virus started lysine

and then stopped becuase I wanted to fight strep first. I am not sure what else

to do, am I missing anything? His nose congestion is getting very bad any ideas

why? My husband is asking me to stop since we don't see improvements-he does not

believe in chelation. I want to continue but I know I need to change and add a

few things. Maybe thyroid support? Any suggestions very much appreciated.

> >

> > Thank you,

> > Mimoza

> >

>

[Guest guest]

> My son is 11 years old, 110lb and we just finished his 15 round of AC

chelation 25mg of DMSA and ALA. He continues with his verbal stimming hyper,

always is congested after rounds,talks to himself all the time, brain fogy, hard

to focus.

Try increasing the yeast protocol. Several of these symptoms meant yeast here.

>>Maybe thyroid support?

I used selenium, iodine, and tyrosine to support the thyroid.

Dana

[Guest guest]

>>His pediatrician did check his thyroid and said is fine.

My #4 had a thyroid test thru her ped, and he said it was normal, but she still

benefited from thyroid support supps.

Dana

[Guest guest]

Liz

How soon after antifungals do you give charcoal?

Thx

> >

> > My son is 11 years old, 110lb and we just finished his 15 round of AC

chelation 25mg of DMSA and ALA. He continues with his verbal stimming hyper,

always is congested after rounds,talks to himself all the time, brain fogy, hard

to focus. I give him the list of supplements that Andy suggests, Magnesim,

Calcium, Cod liver oil, Zinc, vitamin c, E, folic acid, molybdenum,milk thistle,

along with OLE 125mg 1/dayfor his strep, Biotin 10mg 3xday, GSE 250mg 1xday for

yeast, digestive enzyme, culturelle. I know he has herpes virus started lysine

and then stopped becuase I wanted to fight strep first. I am not sure what else

to do, am I missing anything? His nose congestion is getting very bad any ideas

why? My husband is asking me to stop since we don't see improvements-he does not

believe in chelation. I want to continue but I know I need to change and add a

few things. Maybe thyroid support? Any suggestions very much appreciated.

> >

> > Thank you,

> > Mimoza

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Mimoza,

I would hang in there for more rounds. We are doing AC chelation on our 5 year

old dd and almost 11 year old ds. We have been chelating since Oct. 09 but are

only on round 20 (we recently started 5 days on/9 days off). We saw such settle

things in the beginning like pushing a lego car from his bedroom to the

living room only happened one time that we know of but that was huge he had

never done that before. After about round 18 he is finally calming down. He has

always been very hyper literally bouncing off the walls. He will actually sit on

the couch for a time or draw. We still have self injurious behavior but I know

in time that will get better. He is gradually understanding more. Just this past

week he wanted us to call him Yukon Cornelius from Rudolph the Red Nose Reindeer

and wanted a mustache like Yukon and was talking like him. Our daughter has made

much bigger gains but she is younger. My husband was always supportive but a few

rounds ago he made the comment that he couldn't wait until we started the next

round because he felt really needed it. Hopefully your husband will come

around as he sees improvements. We know we will be doing this for years and so

far it is just a drop in the bucket.

Take care!

> > >

> > > My son is 11 years old, 110lb and we just finished his 15 round of AC

chelation 25mg of DMSA and ALA. He continues with his verbal stimming hyper,

always is congested after rounds,talks to himself all the time, brain fogy, hard

to focus. I give him the list of supplements that Andy suggests, Magnesim,

Calcium, Cod liver oil, Zinc, vitamin c, E, folic acid, molybdenum,milk thistle,

along with OLE 125mg 1/dayfor his strep, Biotin 10mg 3xday, GSE 250mg 1xday for

yeast, digestive enzyme, culturelle. I know he has herpes virus started lysine

and then stopped becuase I wanted to fight strep first. I am not sure what else

to do, am I missing anything? His nose congestion is getting very bad any ideas

why? My husband is asking me to stop since we don't see improvements-he does not

believe in chelation. I want to continue but I know I need to change and add a

few things. Maybe thyroid support? Any suggestions very much appreciated.

> > >

> > > Thank you,

> > > Mimoza

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

> Thank you Dana. I remember in one of your posts you have said the max you

gave one of your sons was 10mg 3xday biotin and 250mg GSE 2x/day.

The most I gave my son was 20mg biotin 3x per day, and 4 tablets [each tablet

125g] GSE 3x per day.

>>That's what my son is getting now. Shall I increase biotin or GSE or both and

how much higher can I go?

I would start by increasing biotin.

Dana

[Guest guest]

45 min, approx.

> > >

> > > My son is 11 years old, 110lb and we just finished his 15 round of AC

chelation 25mg of DMSA and ALA. He continues with his verbal stimming hyper,

always is congested after rounds,talks to himself all the time, brain fogy, hard

to focus. I give him the list of supplements that Andy suggests, Magnesim,

Calcium, Cod liver oil, Zinc, vitamin c, E, folic acid, molybdenum,milk thistle,

along with OLE 125mg 1/dayfor his strep, Biotin 10mg 3xday, GSE 250mg 1xday for

yeast, digestive enzyme, culturelle. I know he has herpes virus started lysine

and then stopped becuase I wanted to fight strep first. I am not sure what else

to do, am I missing anything? His nose congestion is getting very bad any ideas

why? My husband is asking me to stop since we don't see improvements-he does not

believe in chelation. I want to continue but I know I need to change and add a

few things. Maybe thyroid support? Any suggestions very much appreciated.

> > >

> > > Thank you,

> > > Mimoza

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi - one of my sons is always good on round (as long as ALA doses were 2.5 hours

apart) and then he'd get " yeasty " around 3 days after the end of the round if we

didn't maintain yeast fighting measures consistently. Part of me hates giving

so much stuff sometimes if I've lightened up then a few days post-round maybe

the metals are shifting or he's just depleted and the symptoms can crop up.

I give Candex at night right before bed, and sometimes on waking. My son will

take coconut oil by the spoonful in the morning with breakfast, but you can also

cook with it. I have some Pau D'arco tincture from Whole Foods which can be put

into water or other liquids. I give it once a day if I think yeast is a problem

but we don't use it all the time. I put GSE in an empty cap which he takes with

food, and we give biotin too. (Thanks Dana!) Culturelle twice a day has been

great here, esp. when we did too much GSE and it seemed to cause a bad bacteria

overgrowth. Zinc helped too, though I have to give it when he's normally happy

and energetic or when he's having Adrenal Cortex Extract as it can reduce

cortisol output. If I give him zinc when he's already worn out, he melts down.

Jo

> > > >

> > > > My son is 11 years old, 110lb and we just finished his 15 round of AC

chelation 25mg of DMSA and ALA. He continues with his verbal stimming hyper,

always is congested after rounds,talks to himself all the time, brain fogy, hard

to focus. I give him the list of supplements that Andy suggests, Magnesim,

Calcium, Cod liver oil, Zinc, vitamin c, E, folic acid, molybdenum,milk thistle,

along with OLE 125mg 1/dayfor his strep, Biotin 10mg 3xday, GSE 250mg 1xday for

yeast, digestive enzyme, culturelle. I know he has herpes virus started lysine

and then stopped becuase I wanted to fight strep first. I am not sure what else

to do, am I missing anything? His nose congestion is getting very bad any ideas

why? My husband is asking me to stop since we don't see improvements-he does not

believe in chelation. I want to continue but I know I need to change and add a

few things. Maybe thyroid support? Any suggestions very much appreciated.

> > > >

> > > > Thank you,

> > > > Mimoza

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

What supplement for Thyroid Dana, I mean Hypo?

Thanks,

Sasmita

> > Thank you Dana. I remember in one of your posts you have said the max you

gave one of your sons was 10mg 3xday biotin and 250mg GSE 2x/day.

>

>

> The most I gave my son was 20mg biotin 3x per day, and 4 tablets [each tablet

125g] GSE 3x per day.

>

>

> >>That's what my son is getting now. Shall I increase biotin or GSE or both

and how much higher can I go?

>

>

> I would start by increasing biotin.

>

> Dana

>

[Guest guest]

> What supplement for Thyroid Dana, I mean Hypo?

I eliminated hypothyroid here with selenium, iodine, and tyrosine.

Dana