OT Forwarded msg from Ross

April 20, 2010

I wrote to off list last night and received this reply which he asked me

to share.

He is reading the group but can't reply.

JF

Ross wrote:

> Hi ,

>

> Thanks for writing. I was in fact " removed " from the member list by

> Dana, who is the only moderator of this group for practical purposes

> (others have gone AWOL). All inquiries as to her reasons should be

> directed to her.

>

> I did ask her to take action against Best due to the recent spate

> of personal attacks he has made on both me and J. (his post to

> particularly turned my stomach). Dana apparently did not

> understand the humour in my reply to him and banned me as well. That's a

> little weird but so be it -- she seems to be the only moderator willing

> to do anything at all so very occasionally.

>

> I'll be the first to admit that I have a very low tolerance for trolls

> and people being plain mean to others. I also have a sense of humour

> that some find difficult to understand or don't appreciate.

>

> As I understand it, the fundamental reason for being so

> popular among parents and people on the spectrum is the uncensored

> nature of the group. The fact that so many possible options to curing

> autism and/or manage its symptoms are even _discussed_ (even though so

> many of them are so plainly dangerous) is very important.

>

> I make no apologies for adhering to Cutler's school of thought on

> _most_ things I have discussed and answered. But even with Andy, if

> something doesn't sound quite right, I will engage him to get to the

> bottom of it. We are all entitled to opinions, and I make it my job to

> challenge those I disagree with. Sometimes agressively. Sometimes

> offensively. But we all know what's at stake here. And we all know how

> to use the " delete " key both on our keyboards and inside our brain.

>

> Obviously my use of outrageous humour at Best's expense was born

> out of frustration and may not have been the most mature response.

> However, in no way was it intended as a vicious personal attack, such as

> those seen recently, and so I make no apology here. I firmly believe

> that the healing power of humour and laughter MUST have its place in

> collectivities such as this. I do hope it is not being used as an

> excuse to silence a strong, partisan voice on this group.

>

> As has been pointed out, it would be very easy for me to re-join this

> group under a different alias (as some have done many times before). I

> will not do this. I simply want the group to know I am not leaving

> voluntarily or due to any disinterest or disheartening, and that I will

> continue to contribute exactly as before should my status be reinstated

> or should I even be named co-moderator.

>

> I do believe that this group needs a small amount of control (not

> censorship) at times. It's important to understand that the original

> creator of the group, Lyn Redwood, has gone AWOL without having

> delegated a new list owner and thus the group is stuck in a twilight

> zone, as the owner is the only person able to add moderators. Dana is

> the only moderator who is actively present, but she seems reluctant to

> intervene more often than not, and she is unable to enlist help because

> of the set-up. If other moderators cannot be named (and I would of

> course be glad to help out here) the only solution might be to clone the

> group and its current moderators so that everything remains the same

> except for the name of the owner (ESPECIALLY the openness and tolerance

> and variety of people and subject matter). At the very least this would

> get rid of the offensive porn-spam.

>

> It is not my intention to generate more drama here, but I have been

> asked many questions on this event. If you would like to repost this

> letter in its entirety, you have my permission to do so and it might

> clear up the rumours.

>

> I am touched by the outpouring of thanks and personal emails I have

> received in the past few hours.

>

> Best,

>

> F wrote:

>> Hi ,

>>

>> Are you ever coming back?

>>

>> Lots of drama!

>>

>> Thanks,

>>

>> JF

>>

>

April 20, 2010

So we need to be wary of anyone by the name of Giavanni Primo?

Johann Peerless? Nonpareil?

Have to admit, that was clever--but Amy was cleverer

In a message dated 4/20/2010 3:42:10 P.M. Central Daylight Time,

amesw@... writes:

=

Optimus = Best

Me thinks me knows who you are... LOL.

From: juan.optimus <_juan.optimus@..._

(mailto:juan.optimus@...) >

Subject: [ ] Re: OT Forwarded msg from Ross

_ @Autism-MercuAut_

(mailto: )

Date: Tuesday, April 20, 2010, 4:37 PM

Best is trained in psychological warfare. He spotted as an

operative who infiltrated this group. presents much good advice so

that he gains confidence and trust which allows him to inject a small amount

of bad advice to disrupt people from curing their children.

exposes himself as an operative by referring to Mr Best as a

" troll " and consistently writing information about him that is simply not true.

These attacks were designed to provoke responses by Mr Best that would get

him thrown out of the group so that would be free to operate here

without being identified as a Pharma operative.

These operatives have to do exactly what did, sneak behind their

accusers backs and complain to moderators because, if they complained

publicly, their accusers would be able to refute their false claims.

Now, you know. was assigned here by Pharma. Be thankful that he

has been exposed. Now, the little bit of untrue advice that he has been

giving people will no longer be available to harm children.

> >> Hi ,

> >>

> >> Are you ever coming back?

> >>

> >> Lots of drama!

> >>

> >> Thanks,

> >>

> >> JF

> >>

> >

>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

April 20, 2010

Best is trained in psychological warfare. He spotted as an

operative who infiltrated this group. presents much good advice so that

he gains confidence and trust which allows him to inject a small amount of bad

advice to disrupt people from curing their children.

exposes himself as an operative by referring to Mr Best as a " troll " and

consistently writing information about him that is simply not true. These

attacks were designed to provoke responses by Mr Best that would get him thrown

out of the group so that would be free to operate here without being

identified as a Pharma operative.

These operatives have to do exactly what did, sneak behind their

accusers backs and complain to moderators because, if they complained publicly,

their accusers would be able to refute their false claims.

Now, you know. was assigned here by Pharma. Be thankful that he has

been exposed. Now, the little bit of untrue advice that he has been giving

people will no longer be available to harm children.

> >> Hi ,

> >>

> >> Are you ever coming back?

> >>

> >> Lots of drama!

> >>

> >> Thanks,

> >>

> >> JF

> >>

> >

>

April 20, 2010

=

Optimus = Best

Â

Me thinks me knows who you are... LOL.

From: juan.optimus <juan.optimus@...>

Subject: [ ] Re: OT Forwarded msg from Ross

Date: Tuesday, April 20, 2010, 4:37 PM

Â

Best is trained in psychological warfare. He spotted as an

operative who infiltrated this group. presents much good advice so that

he gains confidence and trust which allows him to inject a small amount of bad

advice to disrupt people from curing their children.

exposes himself as an operative by referring to Mr Best as a " troll " and

consistently writing information about him that is simply not true. These

attacks were designed to provoke responses by Mr Best that would get him thrown

out of the group so that would be free to operate here without being

identified as a Pharma operative.

These operatives have to do exactly what did, sneak behind their

accusers backs and complain to moderators because, if they complained publicly,

their accusers would be able to refute their false claims.

Now, you know. was assigned here by Pharma. Be thankful that he has been

exposed. Now, the little bit of untrue advice that he has been giving people

will no longer be available to harm children.

> >> Hi ,

> >>

> >> Are you ever coming back?

> >>

> >> Lots of drama!

> >>

> >> Thanks,

> >>

> >> JF

> >>

> >

>

April 20, 2010

Oh, Geez. Let's not go there again.

> > >> Hi ,

> > >>

> > >> Are you ever coming back?

> > >>

> > >> Lots of drama!

> > >>

> > >> Thanks,

> > >>

> > >> JF

> > >>

> > >

> >

>

April 20, 2010

AMY!!! You are so cool. Good job. So obvious now.

> > >> Hi ,

> > >>

> > >> Are you ever coming back?

> > >>

> > >> Lots of drama!

> > >>

> > >> Thanks,

> > >>

> > >> JF

> > >>

> > >

> >

>

April 20, 2010

We should not *forward* messages to the group from a banned member should

we?????

I personally did not read that DMSA thread until a few minutes ago because I

wanted to know what all the hullabaloo was about. Sorry I went and found out.

Personally, I think Message #279245 and any messages related to it should be

removed. I get the daily digest in my e-mail box and my children read those

e-mail's. Like I said, I personally was not reading that thread, and I certainly

hope my children did not read this particular message (or any related to what he

was going to do to his wife or what he said to the poster about taking

med's)!!!!!! Being new to the group, I am not certain what sort of past messages

like this that have been posted; in addition, I don't know how many times either

was warned. BUT *I* personally (and my wholesome children) could do without

these sort of remarks. I do not appreciate the remarks and I think they were

crude, rude, and disrespectful. I think the moderator or group owner or whoever

made a wise choice if this was recurring conduct and similar remarks to past

posts.

In the meantime, could someone please remove that particular messaage (and any

other related messages, like the original one) from this group so I won't have

to leave as well.

Thanks,

April 20, 2010

This has been the best laugh I've had in days!!!! I cried from so much

laughing....thanks for the ride ladies!

Isa

Enviado desde mi oficina móvil BlackBerry® de Telcel

[ ] Re: OT Forwarded msg from Ross

AMY!!! You are so cool. Good job. So obvious now.

> > >> Hi ,

> > >>

> > >> Are you ever coming back?

> > >>

> > >> Lots of drama!

> > >>

> > >> Thanks,

> > >>

> > >> JF

> > >>

> > >

> >

>

April 20, 2010

I barely follow the drama on here and even I picked up on the /

thing...lol.

> > >> Hi ,

> > >>

> > >> Are you ever coming back?

> > >>

> > >> Lots of drama!

> > >>

> > >> Thanks,

> > >>

> > >> JF

> > >>

> > >

> >

>

April 20, 2010

Of course is and considering he joined the group today he couldn't be

more obvious.

But the big hint is his lack of maturity. From his most recent post I see no

comparison to whatsoever...and it is now obvious to me who should have

and who should not have been banned, who was an asset and who was/is not.

Let's move on everyone and get back to helping the kids... that's what were here

for anyways... not to listen to this senseless babble.

After 7 years of being on this list, I am finally going to restart chelation

with my little guy and will be hoping for the best with all the great people on

this boards support. is obviously not going to be any help.;-)

Let's get back at it... we have kids to recover.

Jen

> > >> Hi ,

> > >>

> > >> Are you ever coming back?

> > >>

> > >> Lots of drama!

> > >>

> > >> Thanks,

> > >>

> > >> JF

> > >>

> > >

> >

>

April 20, 2010

>

> We should not *forward* messages to the group from a banned member should

we?????

Why not? The other banned member came right back in under an assumed name and

started right back with his abusive behaviors.

should be allowed back in because he is an asset to the group. It is

not right to ban him for pointing to the inappropriate behavior of another.

There has to be a better way to remove people who are behaving inappropriately,

like Best has been for many months.

The group policy states

" On-going disruptive behavior on the list will not be tolerated.

Disruptive behavior includes (but is not limited to):

repeated frequent advertising postings,

stating contentious opinions but not engaging in dialog about them,

and not responding to concerns raised by other members about list

behavior.

On-going disruptive behavior is apparent from a general consensus

of the public postings of complaint by group members. "

I didn't see any general consensus of public postings to remove . What I

am starting to see now is a consensus to allow back in to get on with

the positive role that he was playing in the group, and to remove, again,

Best and his aliases.

J

> I personally did not read that DMSA thread until a few minutes ago

April 20, 2010

I'm sorry if your kids read something inappropriate, but I don't think

moderators can spend their time editing for adult content. But, you can see why

Dana might have reached her limits. I would hope you decide to stay

regardless...

With permission, messages can be forwarded.

>

> We should not *forward* messages to the group from a banned member should

we?????

> I personally did not read that DMSA thread until a few minutes ago because I