OT Forwarded msg from Ross

[Guest guest]

How old are your children? I will never leave my kids read my e-mails and

groups. I understand it is your choice but do not look for members of this group

to think twice before writing a message,because there will be kids reading. I

find your posts ridiculous. Sorry!

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> > > We should not *forward* messages to the group from a banned member should

we?????

> > > I personally did not read that DMSA thread until a few minutes ago because

I wanted to know what all the hullabaloo was about. Sorry I went and found out.

Personally, I think Message #279245 and any messages related to it should be

removed. I get the daily digest in my e-mail box and my children read those

e-mail's. Like I said, I personally was not reading that thread, and I certainly

hope my children did not read this particular message (or any related to what he

was going to do to his wife or what he said to the poster about taking

med's)!!!!!! Being new to the group, I am not certain what sort of past messages

like this that have been posted; in addition, I don't know how many times either

was warned. BUT *I* personally (and my wholesome children) could do without

these sort of remarks. I do not appreciate the remarks and I think they were

crude, rude, and disrespectful. I think the moderator or group owner or whoever

made a wise choice if this was recurring conduct and similar remarks to past

posts.

> > > In the meantime, could someone please remove that particular messaage (and

any other related messages, like the original one) from this group so I won't

have to leave as well.

> > > Thanks,

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[Guest guest]

Ricky, Did you read the note from them moderator that advised Mr Best and Mr

Ross that they could rejoin the group under other identities? You should stop

your smear campaign and ask Mr Best to tell you how he gained his knowledge of

psychological warfare instead of making unsubstantiated accusations. Or, you

could prove to us that your nonsensical assertion is true.

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[Guest guest]

Speaking of nonsensical issues, why are you referring to yourself in the

third person?

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[Guest guest]

Old enough! And if my posts are *ridiculous* then maybe I should go on a rant

about what I am going to do to my husband? (That seems to be okay with this

group.) Or maybe I should tell you to OD on some chill pills? (another thing

that seems to be okay with this group.)Maybe I just have higher morals and

higher standards than you?

My teenagers are homeschooled and do not go to public schools where the topic of

sex is in every 2nd grade class. Sorry, we are just from two different classes

of people.

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> > > > We should not *forward* messages to the group from a banned member

should we?????

> > > > I personally did not read that DMSA thread until a few minutes ago

because I wanted to know what all the hullabaloo was about. Sorry I went and

found out. Personally, I think Message #279245 and any messages related to it

should be removed. I get the daily digest in my e-mail box and my children read

those e-mail's. Like I said, I personally was not reading that thread, and I

certainly hope my children did not read this particular message (or any related

to what he was going to do to his wife or what he said to the poster about

taking med's)!!!!!! Being new to the group, I am not certain what sort of past

messages like this that have been posted; in addition, I don't know how many

times either was warned. BUT *I* personally (and my wholesome children) could do

without these sort of remarks. I do not appreciate the remarks and I think they

were crude, rude, and disrespectful. I think the moderator or group owner or

whoever made a wise choice if this was recurring conduct and similar remarks to

past posts.

> > > > In the meantime, could someone please remove that particular messaage

(and any other related messages, like the original one) from this group so I

won't have to leave as well.

> > > > Thanks,

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[Guest guest]

And if I am *ridiculous* in my post saying that I totally agree with the

moderator in banning him/them/whoever for those remarks (which a group of you

see nothing wrong with), then I think, my dear, that makes YOU in the ridiculous

crowd and me in the *INTEGRITY* crowd.

> > > >

> > > > We should not *forward* messages to the group from a banned member

should we?????

> > > > I personally did not read that DMSA thread until a few minutes ago

because I wanted to know what all the hullabaloo was about. Sorry I went and

found out. Personally, I think Message #279245 and any messages related to it

should be removed. I get the daily digest in my e-mail box and my children read

those e-mail's. Like I said, I personally was not reading that thread, and I

certainly hope my children did not read this particular message (or any related

to what he was going to do to his wife or what he said to the poster about

taking med's)!!!!!! Being new to the group, I am not certain what sort of past

messages like this that have been posted; in addition, I don't know how many

times either was warned. BUT *I* personally (and my wholesome children) could do

without these sort of remarks. I do not appreciate the remarks and I think they

were crude, rude, and disrespectful. I think the moderator or group owner or

whoever made a wise choice if this was recurring conduct and similar remarks to

past posts.

> > > > In the meantime, could someone please remove that particular messaage

(and any other related messages, like the original one) from this group so I

won't have to leave as well.

> > > > Thanks,

> > > >

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[Guest guest]

This list ain't about morals and can't afford to cater to prudes. It's about

curing ALL mercury poisoned kids, whether their parents like to use colorful

language or not. If you're so offended, run down to church and say a prayer for

the sinners who aren't religious zealots.

> > > > >

> > > > > We should not *forward* messages to the group from a banned member

should we?????

> > > > > I personally did not read that DMSA thread until a few minutes ago

because I wanted to know what all the hullabaloo was about. Sorry I went and

found out. Personally, I think Message #279245 and any messages related to it

should be removed. I get the daily digest in my e-mail box and my children read

those e-mail's. Like I said, I personally was not reading that thread, and I

certainly hope my children did not read this particular message (or any related

to what he was going to do to his wife or what he said to the poster about

taking med's)!!!!!! Being new to the group, I am not certain what sort of past

messages like this that have been posted; in addition, I don't know how many

times either was warned. BUT *I* personally (and my wholesome children) could do

without these sort of remarks. I do not appreciate the remarks and I think they

were crude, rude, and disrespectful. I think the moderator or group owner or

whoever made a wise choice if this was recurring conduct and similar remarks to

past posts.

> > > > > In the meantime, could someone please remove that particular messaage

(and any other related messages, like the original one) from this group so I

won't have to leave as well.

> > > > > Thanks,

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[Guest guest]

, chill out. We like this group because it is loosely moderated. If you

can't take it, go over to the TACA group or the Evidence of Harm group where the

moderators allow or block posts based on whether they are having a good day or

not. This group values free speech and we have public debates/drama quite

frequently actually. Debate and drama are a part of real life, why shelter your

kids from it? Regardless of (and thanks to) the colorful personalities on this

group, there is an amazing amount of information on this group, going way back

to over ten years ago.

So this is what I suggest, ask questions and read things you are interested in

and if some drama comes up, just start using the " search " button and research

some topics so that you are not being upsetted by the arguing.

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> > > > > We should not *forward* messages to the group from a banned member

should we?????

> > > > > I personally did not read that DMSA thread until a few minutes ago

because I wanted to know what all the hullabaloo was about. Sorry I went and

found out. Personally, I think Message #279245 and any messages related to it

should be removed. I get the daily digest in my e-mail box and my children read

those e-mail's. Like I said, I personally was not reading that thread, and I

certainly hope my children did not read this particular message (or any related

to what he was going to do to his wife or what he said to the poster about

taking med's)!!!!!! Being new to the group, I am not certain what sort of past

messages like this that have been posted; in addition, I don't know how many

times either was warned. BUT *I* personally (and my wholesome children) could do

without these sort of remarks. I do not appreciate the remarks and I think they

were crude, rude, and disrespectful. I think the moderator or group owner or

whoever made a wise choice if this was recurring conduct and similar remarks to

past posts.

> > > > > In the meantime, could someone please remove that particular messaage

(and any other related messages, like the original one) from this group so I

won't have to leave as well.

> > > > > Thanks,

> > > > >

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> , I don't trust you. Laugh all you like. There are places for people

who laugh too much.

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?????????

" Don't worry []. You'll meet them again in the long journey to the

middle. "

Lester Bangs in " Almost Famous "

(I think " the middle " would be where people laugh too much, whatever that

means.)

You people are so ridiculous with your personal attacks and class

distinctions?!! THIS IS AUTISM! Do you really think some of us are better than

others here? (Comment directed at previous post, can't remember who said she

was in a " better class. " )

Sometimes I think God gave us this challenge to show us we do not have the

answers, and by the way that thought does not come from belonging to a

particular church or religon.

, , Micheal, whoever you are, seek help. Though occasionally funny, you

are also obsessive, and it sounds like you are playing a role in a Grisham

novel.

Maybe you are mercury poisoned and/or Aspergers, playing a game because are

stuck on an angry rant in your own head. My son gets stuck on copyright laws,

the Bill of Rights, and whether or not his school discriminates against people

with disabilities. He loves to argue, and that is not his fault, his chemistry

betrays him. He is so invested in a thought, that he might die to defend it.

Unfortunately the thoughts aren't things like, " everyone should have the right

to vote regardless of race or gender. " They are more like, " Viacom should allow

their material to be played on You Tube. " <sigh>

Jen

[Guest guest]

Maybe anti-virals or anti-bacteria to help the schizophrenia?  I would try OLE

PWC

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From: S <iferstevens@...>

Sent: Wed, April 21, 2010 7:10:14 PM

Subject: [ ] Re: OT Forwarded msg from Ross

 

Some of these posts sound like paranoid schizophrenia. I just wouldn't engage

it.

> > > >> Hi ,

> > > >>

> > > >> Are you ever coming back?

> > > >>

> > > >> Lots of drama!

> > > >>

> > > >> Thanks,

> > > >>

> > > >> JF

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[Guest guest]

Jen, People who " laugh too much " is a reference to the " Laughing Academy "

another term for the nuthouse.

You can not bother to investigate a subject and determine I am obsessed if you

wish. I can't force you to become learned. I'm just an honest guy who doesn't

like liars, especially when it comes to interferring with information that

parents need to cure their kids. I'm certain is here with nefarious

intent. It's up to you if choose to listen to him and let him disrupt you from

curing your kid. All I can do is tell you the truth. If you don't believe me,

you should ask questions rather than cast aspersions.

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> > , I don't trust you. Laugh all you like. There are places for

people who laugh too much.

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> ?????????

> " Don't worry []. You'll meet them again in the long journey to the

middle. "

> Lester Bangs in " Almost Famous "

> (I think " the middle " would be where people laugh too much, whatever that

means.)

>

> You people are so ridiculous with your personal attacks and class

distinctions?!! THIS IS AUTISM! Do you really think some of us are better than

others here? (Comment directed at previous post, can't remember who said she

was in a " better class. " )

>

> Sometimes I think God gave us this challenge to show us we do not have the

answers, and by the way that thought does not come from belonging to a

particular church or religon.

>

> , , Micheal, whoever you are, seek help. Though occasionally funny,

you are also obsessive, and it sounds like you are playing a role in a

Grisham novel.

>

> Maybe you are mercury poisoned and/or Aspergers, playing a game because are

stuck on an angry rant in your own head. My son gets stuck on copyright laws,

the Bill of Rights, and whether or not his school discriminates against people

with disabilities. He loves to argue, and that is not his fault, his chemistry

betrays him. He is so invested in a thought, that he might die to defend it.

Unfortunately the thoughts aren't things like, " everyone should have the right

to vote regardless of race or gender. " They are more like, " Viacom should allow

their material to be played on You Tube. " <sigh>

> Jen

>

[Guest guest]

Umm Mister, you are on the wrong place....this is an autism forum...most of us

are way too serious...and a good laugh is precious!!

Maybe you should look into that place you talk about for yourself!!!

If you don't like the amusement....then maybe you should go where you are

appreciated...as to parents wasting their time...I don't believe that. I had to

start my kids way low on their chelators...because they were so sensitive...it

took quite a while to get them up. I would rather go low and slow than injure.

Time is precious...but lives more so....and I do not side with either of you

gents. I have 4 autistic kids and a seriously ill husband....I don't need your

drama...trust me...altho a good laugh is appreciated.

> > > > >> Hi ,

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Are you ever coming back?

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Lots of drama!

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Thanks,

> > > > >>

> > > > >> JF

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[Guest guest]

Maybe a brain transplant would help you

> > > > >> Hi ,

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> > > > >> Are you ever coming back?

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Lots of drama!

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Thanks,

> > > > >>

> > > > >> JF

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> Jen, People who " laugh too much " is a reference to the " Laughing Academy "

another term for the nuthouse.

I missed that reference.

> You can not bother to investigate a subject and determine I am obsessed if you

wish.

I have spent what feels like years of my life researching the subject of trying

to treat my child's autism biomedically. I really didn't have time to go

through all the arguments here, so I'm not taking any sides. It just seemed

really silly, all the personal attacks.

I wouldn't worry about one person posting false information that leads parents

astray. We are capable of using google and researching these things. We

learned that you can't just believe everything you hear by being misled by our

pediatricians. Most of us will not be seduced by Koresh type persuation.

You really can't help anyone who is that gullible.

> I can't force you to become learned. I'm just an honest guy who doesn't like

liars, especially when it comes to interferring with information that parents

need to cure their kids. I'm certain is here with nefarious intent.

It's up to you if choose to listen to him and let him disrupt you from curing

your kid. All I can do is tell you the truth. If you don't believe me, you

should ask questions rather than cast aspersions.

Again, I really didn't follow the argument. So many lists, so little time. I

was just speculating that either you're really bored and trying to have fun

pranking a group, or there is something very obsessive and disturbingly

off about you. Mental health issue, mercury poisoning, Aspergers?? All of the

above? I say this with respect, my son is in an Asperger resource program at

school where he blows other kids out of the water with his intelligence, but

suffers from his obsessive thought patterns. It is easy for him to become angry

at a percieved slight, and hold on to it, running it on a hamster wheel inside

his head.

I have to admitt, I enjoy getting a laugh here and there because I get tired of

reading about poop, yeast, and mercury all the time, important as it is.

However, could you try not to be so openly hostile? It really discredits you.

Jen

[Guest guest]

Jen, I don't think it would be very effective if I asked someone who was

intentionally spreading false information to start being honest. It never

worked with Gerberding or W Bush.

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> > Jen, People who " laugh too much " is a reference to the " Laughing Academy "

another term for the nuthouse.

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> I missed that reference.

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> > You can not bother to investigate a subject and determine I am obsessed if

you wish.

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> I have spent what feels like years of my life researching the subject of

trying to treat my child's autism biomedically. I really didn't have time to go

through all the arguments here, so I'm not taking any sides. It just seemed

really silly, all the personal attacks.

>

> I wouldn't worry about one person posting false information that leads parents

astray. We are capable of using google and researching these things. We

learned that you can't just believe everything you hear by being misled by our

pediatricians. Most of us will not be seduced by Koresh type persuation.

You really can't help anyone who is that gullible.

>

> > I can't force you to become learned. I'm just an honest guy who doesn't

like liars, especially when it comes to interferring with information that

parents need to cure their kids. I'm certain is here with nefarious

intent. It's up to you if choose to listen to him and let him disrupt you from

curing your kid. All I can do is tell you the truth. If you don't believe me,

you should ask questions rather than cast aspersions.

>

> Again, I really didn't follow the argument. So many lists, so little time. I

was just speculating that either you're really bored and trying to have fun

pranking a group, or there is something very obsessive and disturbingly

off about you. Mental health issue, mercury poisoning, Aspergers?? All of the

above? I say this with respect, my son is in an Asperger resource program at

school where he blows other kids out of the water with his intelligence, but

suffers from his obsessive thought patterns. It is easy for him to become angry

at a percieved slight, and hold on to it, running it on a hamster wheel inside

his head.

>

> I have to admitt, I enjoy getting a laugh here and there because I get tired

of reading about poop, yeast, and mercury all the time, important as it is.

However, could you try not to be so openly hostile? It really discredits you.

> Jen

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[Guest guest]

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> Jen, I don't think it would be very effective if I asked someone who was

intentionally spreading false information to start being honest. It never

worked with Gerberding or W Bush.

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Well I glanced at your blog, and I can see that you are struggling with a very

difficult situation. I am sorry that you have to go through that. I'm not a

religous person, but I will be praying that you are able to find some respite

and peace.

Jen

[Guest guest]

I still don't think it's cool (right, ethical, intelligent?) to be talking about

(disparaging) someone who used to be here but isn't here anymore because he

refuses to change his identity for what he said, of what we've done? otherwise,

of allowing such person to speak for himself, of such representation.. .

I could understand how one would feel that noone represents them in that respect

of whatever they might do, of as much, of such disassociation, that anything

else would be more meaningful than of as much, with respect to Communication (if

not Freedom, of Expression? " F " the law/s, otherwise?

Been there and doing as much, for as much, Thereof (that I need *chelation,*

more than that? .. . Then what for? .. .

Mike Glavic

Otherwise, I Feel the moderation (by Communication?) here has been, admirable..

.. (so far.. . (

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> > Jen, I don't think it would be very effective if I asked someone who was

intentionally spreading false information to start being honest. It never

worked with Gerberding or W Bush.

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> Well I glanced at your blog, and I can see that you are struggling with a very

difficult situation. I am sorry that you have to go through that. I'm not a

religous person, but I will be praying that you are able to find some respite

and peace.

> Jen

>

[Guest guest]

, Did you know that Best believes that speed limits are for other

people, not him?

He also thinks that green's fees on golf courses and therefore sneaks onto

courses.

I know this because he has bragged about doing this on other lists, and as you

pointed out, Best always tells the truth.

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> > > We should not *forward* messages to the group from a banned member should

we?????

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> > Why not? The other banned member came right back in under an assumed name

and started right back with his abusive behaviors.

> >

> > should be allowed back in because he is an asset to the group. It

is not right to ban him for pointing to the inappropriate behavior of another.

> >

> > There has to be a better way to remove people who are behaving

inappropriately, like Best has been for many months.

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> > The group policy states

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> > " On-going disruptive behavior on the list will not be tolerated.

> > Disruptive behavior includes (but is not limited to):

> > repeated frequent advertising postings,

> > stating contentious opinions but not engaging in dialog about them,

> > and not responding to concerns raised by other members about list

> > behavior.

> > On-going disruptive behavior is apparent from a general consensus

> > of the public postings of complaint by group members. "

> >

> > I didn't see any general consensus of public postings to remove .

What I am starting to see now is a consensus to allow back in to get on

with the positive role that he was playing in the group, and to remove, again,

Best and his aliases.

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,

I always knew Bostonians were a more than a bit strange. I have driven in many

states where they post a speed limit and then a minimum under that. For example

Interstate 4 in Florida, the speed limit is posted at 65 with a minimum of 40.

But since Boston is one perpetual traffic jam, maybe they use this " minimum "

speed limit as a revenue source.  

But doesn't live in Boston, he lives in New Hampshire where, like the rest

of the normal world, they post speed limits to represent the MAXIMUM speed

limit.

In Boston, speed limits are for the minimum speed you are supposed to drive. 

There is no maximum.

You sound like an old man with echolalia the way you keep repeating these

things.

> > > >

> > > > We should not *forward* messages to the group from a banned member

should we?????

> > >

> > >

> > > Why not?  The other banned member came right back in under an assumed name

and started right back with his abusive behaviors.

> > >

> > > should be allowed back in because he is an asset to the group.  It

is not right to ban him for pointing to the inappropriate behavior of another.

> > >

> > > There has to be a better way to remove people who are behaving

inappropriately, like Best has been for many months.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > The group policy states

> > >

> > > " On-going disruptive behavior on the list will not be tolerated.

> > > Disruptive behavior includes (but is not limited to):

> > > repeated frequent advertising postings,

> > > stating contentious opinions but not engaging in dialog about them,

> > > and not responding to concerns raised by other members about list

> > > behavior.

> > > On-going disruptive behavior is apparent from a general consensus

> > > of the public postings of complaint by group members. "

> > >

> > > I didn't see any general consensus of public postings to remove . 

What I am starting to see now is a consensus to allow back in to get on

with the positive role that he was playing in the group, and to remove, again,

Best and his aliases.

> > >

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> > > J

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> > > > I personally did not read that DMSA thread until a few minutes ago

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