Guest guest Posted February 11, 2010 Report Share Posted February 11, 2010 I am considering chelation for my son who is almost 6yrs old and trying to read/learn everything I can. I just stumbled across a reference to PCA-Rx ... does anybody know anything about this? Has or is anybody using it? How effective is it compared with oral DMSA? Sorry if these are stupid Qs ... it's all new and I'm trying to learn all I can. My son is on a GF/CF diet, takes probiotics and liquid zink and I give him epsom salt baths. Thanks Rhys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2010 Report Share Posted February 11, 2010 You are comparing apples and oranges. They all work to some degree, it is just finding what works best for your life, family, etc. DMSA is man-made and is sulphur-based. There are some side effects associated with it, but it has a proven track record for safety in low doses and it crosses the blood brain barrier. Although it removes mercury, lead, cadmium and arsenic it doesn't discriminate and you need to supplement the other minerals that are removed. It has documented abilities to remove mercury from blood, liver, brain, spleen, lungs, large intestine, skeletal muscle, and bone. PCA is a product made as a result of fermentation of microbes in organic material. It is actually a living product that mimics bodily fluids and becomes a living part of the body. It does all that DMSA does and more, removing pesticides (in our case Atrazine), metals (all metals including uranium), etc. but it is discriminate in its cleansing so you don't supplement minerals, etc. I am honestly biased, as I find that ALA, DMSA and others create a whole slew of other reactions, supplementations, yeast flare ups, stimming and more, whereas the PCA has two issues - 1) it won't work if you have daily exposure (lead, asbestos, etc. in the house) because it will be binding the current toxins and not the residuals, so you do have to reduce your toxic loads (but you should be doing that regardless of the method you use) and 2) if you don't drink enough water you may get constipated. I have seen children recover on both, and I have seen many people use the DMSA, hit a road block and use the PCA. (My daughter recovered until herbicide exposure caused regression, which means I get to start over (yea me) but I have family members recovering.) My dog has cancer and was bleeding vaginally (at 6 and spayed) since December. Nothing was helping. Four doses last night of the PCA and CN from Maxam, and she stopped. She was fine this morning as well. Of course, we all have opinions. I it is just what works for you, as you are the one that will be researching, administering, etc. > > I am considering chelation for my son who is almost 6yrs old and trying to read/learn everything I can. I just stumbled across a reference to PCA-Rx ... does anybody know anything about this? Has or is anybody using it? How effective is it compared with oral DMSA? Sorry if these are stupid Qs ... it's all new and I'm trying to learn all I can. My son is on a GF/CF diet, takes probiotics and liquid zink and I give him epsom salt baths. > > Thanks > Rhys > Regards, Summer McFarland 1.22 HEAL KIDS 1.224.325.5437 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------------------------------------- Over fourteen years of organic search engine optimization, marketing and design. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2010 Report Share Posted February 11, 2010 DMSA does not cross the blood brain barrier in humans which limits its use to extracting metals from parts of the body other than the central nervous system. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DMSA TJ ________________________________ From: thebestfedbaby <summermcfarland@...> Sent: Thu, February 11, 2010 8:38:15 AM Subject: [ ] Re: PCA-Rx vs DMSA Â You are comparing apples and oranges. They all work to some degree, it is just finding what works best for your life, family, etc. DMSA is man-made and is sulphur-based. There are some side effects associated with it, but it has a proven track record for safety in low doses and it crosses the blood brain barrier. Although it removes mercury, lead, cadmium and arsenic it doesn't discriminate and you need to supplement the other minerals that are removed. It has documented abilities to remove mercury from blood, liver, brain, spleen, lungs, large intestine, skeletal muscle, and bone. PCA is a product made as a result of fermentation of microbes in organic material. It is actually a living product that mimics bodily fluids and becomes a living part of the body. It does all that DMSA does and more, removing pesticides (in our case Atrazine), metals (all metals including uranium), etc. but it is discriminate in its cleansing so you don't supplement minerals, etc. I am honestly biased, as I find that ALA, DMSA and others create a whole slew of other reactions, supplementations, yeast flare ups, stimming and more, whereas the PCA has two issues - 1) it won't work if you have daily exposure (lead, asbestos, etc. in the house) because it will be binding the current toxins and not the residuals, so you do have to reduce your toxic loads (but you should be doing that regardless of the method you use) and 2) if you don't drink enough water you may get constipated. I have seen children recover on both, and I have seen many people use the DMSA, hit a road block and use the PCA. (My daughter recovered until herbicide exposure caused regression, which means I get to start over (yea me) but I have family members recovering.) My dog has cancer and was bleeding vaginally (at 6 and spayed) since December. Nothing was helping. Four doses last night of the PCA and CN from Maxam, and she stopped. She was fine this morning as well. Of course, we all have opinions. I it is just what works for you, as you are the one that will be researching, administering, etc. > > I am considering chelation for my son who is almost 6yrs old and trying to read/learn everything I can. I just stumbled across a reference to PCA-Rx ... does anybody know anything about this? Has or is anybody using it? How effective is it compared with oral DMSA? Sorry if these are stupid Qs ... it's all new and I'm trying to learn all I can. My son is on a GF/CF diet, takes probiotics and liquid zink and I give him epsom salt baths. > > Thanks > Rhys > Regards, Summer McFarland 1.22 HEAL KIDS 1.224.325.5437 ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - Over fourteen years of organic search engine optimization, marketing and design. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2010 Report Share Posted February 11, 2010 Comment and question: I have patients that use both clatharating agents such as PCA Rx (also HMD, but I use NDF) and chelation sucessfully. Question is what is " CN " ? On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 11:38 AM, thebestfedbaby <summermcfarland@...>wrote: > > > You are comparing apples and oranges. They all work to some degree, it is > just finding what works best for your life, family, etc. > > DMSA is man-made and is sulphur-based. There are some side effects > associated with it, but it has a proven track record for safety in low doses > and it crosses the blood brain barrier. Although it removes mercury, lead, > cadmium and arsenic it doesn't discriminate and you need to supplement the > other minerals that are removed. It has documented abilities to remove > mercury from blood, liver, brain, spleen, lungs, large intestine, skeletal > muscle, and bone. > > PCA is a product made as a result of fermentation of microbes in organic > material. It is actually a living product that mimics bodily fluids and > becomes a living part of the body. It does all that DMSA does and more, > removing pesticides (in our case Atrazine), metals (all metals including > uranium), etc. but it is discriminate in its cleansing so you don't > supplement minerals, etc. > > I am honestly biased, as I find that ALA, DMSA and others create a whole > slew of other reactions, supplementations, yeast flare ups, stimming and > more, whereas the PCA has two issues - 1) it won't work if you have daily > exposure (lead, asbestos, etc. in the house) because it will be binding the > current toxins and not the residuals, so you do have to reduce your toxic > loads (but you should be doing that regardless of the method you use) and 2) > if you don't drink enough water you may get constipated. > > I have seen children recover on both, and I have seen many people use the > DMSA, hit a road block and use the PCA. (My daughter recovered until > herbicide exposure caused regression, which means I get to start over (yea > me) but I have family members recovering.) My dog has cancer and was > bleeding vaginally (at 6 and spayed) since December. Nothing was helping. > Four doses last night of the PCA and CN from Maxam, and she stopped. She was > fine this morning as well. > > Of course, we all have opinions. I it is just what works for you, as you > are the one that will be researching, administering, etc. > > > > > > > I am considering chelation for my son who is almost 6yrs old and trying > to read/learn everything I can. I just stumbled across a reference to PCA-Rx > ... does anybody know anything about this? Has or is anybody using it? How > effective is it compared with oral DMSA? Sorry if these are stupid Qs ... > it's all new and I'm trying to learn all I can. My son is on a GF/CF diet, > takes probiotics and liquid zink and I give him epsom salt baths. > > > > Thanks > > Rhys > > > > Regards, > > Summer McFarland > 1.22 HEAL KIDS > 1.224.325.5437 > ---------------------------------------------------------- > Over fourteen years of organic search engine optimization, marketing and > design. > > > -- God's blessings in Christ, Your Partner in Health, N. Rydland, M.D. Founder and developer of kidsWellness, Inc. Natural products and information for healthier families www.kidswellness.com www.rydlandjuice.com Main office: 1921 Commonwealth Drive Charlottesville, VA 22901 434-984-KIDS (5437) Fax: 434-984-5439 Other offices: 140 N.E. 119 St North Miami, FL 2316 Hollywood Blvd Hollywood, Fl 33020 12595 S.W. 137 Ave, Suite 108 Miami Fl 33186 135 San Lorenzo Ave., Suite 640 Coral Gables, FL 33146 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2010 Report Share Posted February 11, 2010 I meant to say in my last post that I use chelation and clatharation concurrently in many patients. Others use one or the other. Often people can use chelating agents preferably because they may be covered by insurance and (unfortunately....a big mistake by the insurance companies in my opinion) natural agents are not. On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 11:56 AM, TJ Werth <tj_werth@...> wrote: > > > DMSA does not cross the blood brain barrier in humans which limits its use > to extracting metals from parts of the body other than the central nervous > system. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DMSA > TJ > > ________________________________ > From: thebestfedbaby <summermcfarland@...<summermcfarland%40gmail.com> > > > < %40> > Sent: Thu, February 11, 2010 8:38:15 AM > Subject: [ ] Re: PCA-Rx vs DMSA > > > You are comparing apples and oranges. They all work to some degree, it is > just finding what works best for your life, family, etc. > > DMSA is man-made and is sulphur-based. There are some side effects > associated with it, but it has a proven track record for safety in low doses > and it crosses the blood brain barrier. Although it removes mercury, lead, > cadmium and arsenic it doesn't discriminate and you need to supplement the > other minerals that are removed. It has documented abilities to remove > mercury from blood, liver, brain, spleen, lungs, large intestine, skeletal > muscle, and bone. > > PCA is a product made as a result of fermentation of microbes in organic > material. It is actually a living product that mimics bodily fluids and > becomes a living part of the body. It does all that DMSA does and more, > removing pesticides (in our case Atrazine), metals (all metals including > uranium), etc. but it is discriminate in its cleansing so you don't > supplement minerals, etc. > > I am honestly biased, as I find that ALA, DMSA and others create a whole > slew of other reactions, supplementations, yeast flare ups, stimming and > more, whereas the PCA has two issues - 1) it won't work if you have daily > exposure (lead, asbestos, etc. in the house) because it will be binding the > current toxins and not the residuals, so you do have to reduce your toxic > loads (but you should be doing that regardless of the method you use) and 2) > if you don't drink enough water you may get constipated. > > I have seen children recover on both, and I have seen many people use the > DMSA, hit a road block and use the PCA. (My daughter recovered until > herbicide exposure caused regression, which means I get to start over (yea > me) but I have family members recovering.) My dog has cancer and was > bleeding vaginally (at 6 and spayed) since December. Nothing was helping. > Four doses last night of the PCA and CN from Maxam, and she stopped. She was > fine this morning as well. > > Of course, we all have opinions. I it is just what works for you, as you > are the one that will be researching, administering, etc. > > > > > > I am considering chelation for my son who is almost 6yrs old and trying > to read/learn everything I can. I just stumbled across a reference to PCA-Rx > ... does anybody know anything about this? Has or is anybody using it? How > effective is it compared with oral DMSA? Sorry if these are stupid Qs ... > it's all new and I'm trying to learn all I can. My son is on a GF/CF diet, > takes probiotics and liquid zink and I give him epsom salt baths. > > > > Thanks > > Rhys > > > > Regards, > > Summer McFarland > 1.22 HEAL KIDS > 1.224.325.5437 > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > Over fourteen years of organic search engine optimization, marketing and > design. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2010 Report Share Posted February 11, 2010 Dr. Ryland- Would you mind spelling out just what PCA-RX, HMD. and NDF are? I'm still very new to this. Thanks! " There is a crack in everything and that is how the light gets in. " Leonard Cohen > > From: drrydland@... > Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 12:05:38 -0500 > Subject: Re: [ ] Re: PCA-Rx vs DMSA > > Comment and question: > > I have patients that use both clatharating agents such as PCA Rx (also HMD, > but I use NDF) and chelation sucessfully. Question is what is " CN " ? > > On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 11:38 AM, thebestfedbaby > <summermcfarland@...>wrote: > > > > > > > You are comparing apples and oranges. They all work to some degree, it is > > just finding what works best for your life, family, etc. > > > > DMSA is man-made and is sulphur-based. There are some side effects > > associated with it, but it has a proven track record for safety in low doses > > and it crosses the blood brain barrier. Although it removes mercury, lead, > > cadmium and arsenic it doesn't discriminate and you need to supplement the > > other minerals that are removed. It has documented abilities to remove > > mercury from blood, liver, brain, spleen, lungs, large intestine, skeletal > > muscle, and bone. > > > > PCA is a product made as a result of fermentation of microbes in organic > > material. It is actually a living product that mimics bodily fluids and > > becomes a living part of the body. It does all that DMSA does and more, > > removing pesticides (in our case Atrazine), metals (all metals including > > uranium), etc. but it is discriminate in its cleansing so you don't > > supplement minerals, etc. > > > > I am honestly biased, as I find that ALA, DMSA and others create a whole > > slew of other reactions, supplementations, yeast flare ups, stimming and > > more, whereas the PCA has two issues - 1) it won't work if you have daily > > exposure (lead, asbestos, etc. in the house) because it will be binding the > > current toxins and not the residuals, so you do have to reduce your toxic > > loads (but you should be doing that regardless of the method you use) and 2) > > if you don't drink enough water you may get constipated. > > > > I have seen children recover on both, and I have seen many people use the > > DMSA, hit a road block and use the PCA. (My daughter recovered until > > herbicide exposure caused regression, which means I get to start over (yea > > me) but I have family members recovering.) My dog has cancer and was > > bleeding vaginally (at 6 and spayed) since December. Nothing was helping. > > Four doses last night of the PCA and CN from Maxam, and she stopped. She was > > fine this morning as well. > > > > Of course, we all have opinions. I it is just what works for you, as you > > are the one that will be researching, administering, etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > I am considering chelation for my son who is almost 6yrs old and trying > > to read/learn everything I can. I just stumbled across a reference to PCA-Rx > > ... does anybody know anything about this? Has or is anybody using it? How > > effective is it compared with oral DMSA? Sorry if these are stupid Qs ... > > it's all new and I'm trying to learn all I can. My son is on a GF/CF diet, > > takes probiotics and liquid zink and I give him epsom salt baths. > > > > > > Thanks > > > Rhys > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Summer McFarland > > 1.22 HEAL KIDS > > 1.224.325.5437 > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > Over fourteen years of organic search engine optimization, marketing and > > design. > > > > > > > > > > -- > God's blessings in Christ, > Your Partner in Health, > N. Rydland, M.D. > Founder and developer of kidsWellness, Inc. > Natural products and information for healthier families > www.kidswellness.com > www.rydlandjuice.com > > Main office: > 1921 Commonwealth Drive > Charlottesville, VA 22901 > 434-984-KIDS (5437) > Fax: 434-984-5439 > > Other offices: > 140 N.E. 119 St > North Miami, FL > > 2316 Hollywood Blvd > Hollywood, Fl 33020 > > 12595 S.W. 137 Ave, Suite 108 > Miami Fl 33186 > > 135 San Lorenzo Ave., Suite 640 > Coral Gables, FL 33146 > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2010 Report Share Posted February 11, 2010 These are natural substances which remove chemicals from the body. They contain minute particles of herbs and probiotics, occasionally other substances, which complex with the chemicals, including heavy metals, pesticides and others and remove them from the body safely. The names are for three different companies which produce similar products. My experience has been positive in that there is improvement without side effects for the most part. BioRay, which produces the NDF has several studies indicating their efficacy and I have had several patients that have documented decreases in heavy metals from its use. On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 2:05 PM, Larsen <julhowsash@...> wrote: > > > > Dr. Ryland- > Would you mind spelling out just what PCA-RX, HMD. and NDF are? I'm still > very new to this. > Thanks! > > " There is a crack in everything and that is how the light gets in. " > Leonard Cohen > > > > < %40> > > From: drrydland@... <drrydland%40kidswellness.com> > > Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 12:05:38 -0500 > > Subject: Re: [ ] Re: PCA-Rx vs DMSA > > > > Comment and question: > > > > I have patients that use both clatharating agents such as PCA Rx (also > HMD, > > but I use NDF) and chelation sucessfully. Question is what is " CN " ? > > > > On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 11:38 AM, thebestfedbaby > > <summermcfarland@... <summermcfarland%40gmail.com>>wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > You are comparing apples and oranges. They all work to some degree, it > is > > > just finding what works best for your life, family, etc. > > > > > > DMSA is man-made and is sulphur-based. There are some side effects > > > associated with it, but it has a proven track record for safety in low > doses > > > and it crosses the blood brain barrier. Although it removes mercury, > lead, > > > cadmium and arsenic it doesn't discriminate and you need to supplement > the > > > other minerals that are removed. It has documented abilities to remove > > > mercury from blood, liver, brain, spleen, lungs, large intestine, > skeletal > > > muscle, and bone. > > > > > > PCA is a product made as a result of fermentation of microbes in > organic > > > material. It is actually a living product that mimics bodily fluids and > > > becomes a living part of the body. It does all that DMSA does and more, > > > removing pesticides (in our case Atrazine), metals (all metals > including > > > uranium), etc. but it is discriminate in its cleansing so you don't > > > supplement minerals, etc. > > > > > > I am honestly biased, as I find that ALA, DMSA and others create a > whole > > > slew of other reactions, supplementations, yeast flare ups, stimming > and > > > more, whereas the PCA has two issues - 1) it won't work if you have > daily > > > exposure (lead, asbestos, etc. in the house) because it will be binding > the > > > current toxins and not the residuals, so you do have to reduce your > toxic > > > loads (but you should be doing that regardless of the method you use) > and 2) > > > if you don't drink enough water you may get constipated. > > > > > > I have seen children recover on both, and I have seen many people use > the > > > DMSA, hit a road block and use the PCA. (My daughter recovered until > > > herbicide exposure caused regression, which means I get to start over > (yea > > > me) but I have family members recovering.) My dog has cancer and was > > > bleeding vaginally (at 6 and spayed) since December. Nothing was > helping. > > > Four doses last night of the PCA and CN from Maxam, and she stopped. > She was > > > fine this morning as well. > > > > > > Of course, we all have opinions. I it is just what works for you, as > you > > > are the one that will be researching, administering, etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am considering chelation for my son who is almost 6yrs old and > trying > > > to read/learn everything I can. I just stumbled across a reference to > PCA-Rx > > > ... does anybody know anything about this? Has or is anybody using it? > How > > > effective is it compared with oral DMSA? Sorry if these are stupid Qs > ... > > > it's all new and I'm trying to learn all I can. My son is on a GF/CF > diet, > > > takes probiotics and liquid zink and I give him epsom salt baths. > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > Rhys > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Summer McFarland > > > 1.22 HEAL KIDS > > > 1.224.325.5437 > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > > Over fourteen years of organic search engine optimization, marketing > and > > > design. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > God's blessings in Christ, > > Your Partner in Health, > > N. Rydland, M.D. > > Founder and developer of kidsWellness, Inc. > > Natural products and information for healthier families > > www.kidswellness.com > > www.rydlandjuice.com > > > > Main office: > > 1921 Commonwealth Drive > > Charlottesville, VA 22901 > > 434-984-KIDS (5437) > > Fax: 434-984-5439 > > > > Other offices: > > 140 N.E. 119 St > > North Miami, FL > > > > 2316 Hollywood Blvd > > Hollywood, Fl 33020 > > > > 12595 S.W. 137 Ave, Suite 108 > > Miami Fl 33186 > > > > 135 San Lorenzo Ave., Suite 640 > > Coral Gables, FL 33146 > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2010 Report Share Posted February 11, 2010 Thank you. " There is a crack in everything and that is how the light gets in. " Leonard Cohen > > From: drrydland@... > Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 21:07:04 -0500 > Subject: Re: [ ] Re: PCA-Rx vs DMSA > > These are natural substances which remove chemicals from the body. They > contain minute particles of herbs and probiotics, occasionally other > substances, which complex with the chemicals, including heavy metals, > pesticides and others and remove them from the body safely. The names are > for three different companies which produce similar products. My experience > has been positive in that there is improvement without side effects for the > most part. BioRay, which produces the NDF has several studies indicating > their efficacy and I have had several patients that have documented > decreases in heavy metals from its use. > > On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 2:05 PM, Larsen <julhowsash@...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dr. Ryland- > > Would you mind spelling out just what PCA-RX, HMD. and NDF are? I'm still > > very new to this. > > Thanks! > > > > " There is a crack in everything and that is how the light gets in. " > > Leonard Cohen > > > > > > > < %40> > > > From: drrydland@... <drrydland%40kidswellness.com> > > > Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 12:05:38 -0500 > > > Subject: Re: [ ] Re: PCA-Rx vs DMSA > > > > > > Comment and question: > > > > > > I have patients that use both clatharating agents such as PCA Rx (also > > HMD, > > > but I use NDF) and chelation sucessfully. Question is what is " CN " ? > > > > > > On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 11:38 AM, thebestfedbaby > > > <summermcfarland@... <summermcfarland%40gmail.com>>wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are comparing apples and oranges. They all work to some degree, it > > is > > > > just finding what works best for your life, family, etc. > > > > > > > > DMSA is man-made and is sulphur-based. There are some side effects > > > > associated with it, but it has a proven track record for safety in low > > doses > > > > and it crosses the blood brain barrier. Although it removes mercury, > > lead, > > > > cadmium and arsenic it doesn't discriminate and you need to supplement > > the > > > > other minerals that are removed. It has documented abilities to remove > > > > mercury from blood, liver, brain, spleen, lungs, large intestine, > > skeletal > > > > muscle, and bone. > > > > > > > > PCA is a product made as a result of fermentation of microbes in > > organic > > > > material. It is actually a living product that mimics bodily fluids and > > > > becomes a living part of the body. It does all that DMSA does and more, > > > > removing pesticides (in our case Atrazine), metals (all metals > > including > > > > uranium), etc. but it is discriminate in its cleansing so you don't > > > > supplement minerals, etc. > > > > > > > > I am honestly biased, as I find that ALA, DMSA and others create a > > whole > > > > slew of other reactions, supplementations, yeast flare ups, stimming > > and > > > > more, whereas the PCA has two issues - 1) it won't work if you have > > daily > > > > exposure (lead, asbestos, etc. in the house) because it will be binding > > the > > > > current toxins and not the residuals, so you do have to reduce your > > toxic > > > > loads (but you should be doing that regardless of the method you use) > > and 2) > > > > if you don't drink enough water you may get constipated. > > > > > > > > I have seen children recover on both, and I have seen many people use > > the > > > > DMSA, hit a road block and use the PCA. (My daughter recovered until > > > > herbicide exposure caused regression, which means I get to start over > > (yea > > > > me) but I have family members recovering.) My dog has cancer and was > > > > bleeding vaginally (at 6 and spayed) since December. Nothing was > > helping. > > > > Four doses last night of the PCA and CN from Maxam, and she stopped. > > She was > > > > fine this morning as well. > > > > > > > > Of course, we all have opinions. I it is just what works for you, as > > you > > > > are the one that will be researching, administering, etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am considering chelation for my son who is almost 6yrs old and > > trying > > > > to read/learn everything I can. I just stumbled across a reference to > > PCA-Rx > > > > ... does anybody know anything about this? Has or is anybody using it? > > How > > > > effective is it compared with oral DMSA? Sorry if these are stupid Qs > > ... > > > > it's all new and I'm trying to learn all I can. My son is on a GF/CF > > diet, > > > > takes probiotics and liquid zink and I give him epsom salt baths. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > Rhys > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Summer McFarland > > > > 1.22 HEAL KIDS > > > > 1.224.325.5437 > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Over fourteen years of organic search engine optimization, marketing > > and > > > > design. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > God's blessings in Christ, > > > Your Partner in Health, > > > N. Rydland, M.D. > > > Founder and developer of kidsWellness, Inc. > > > Natural products and information for healthier families > > > www.kidswellness.com > > > www.rydlandjuice.com > > > > > > Main office: > > > 1921 Commonwealth Drive > > > Charlottesville, VA 22901 > > > 434-984-KIDS (5437) > > > Fax: 434-984-5439 > > > > > > Other offices: > > > 140 N.E. 119 St > > > North Miami, FL > > > > > > 2316 Hollywood Blvd > > > Hollywood, Fl 33020 > > > > > > 12595 S.W. 137 Ave, Suite 108 > > > Miami Fl 33186 > > > > > > 135 San Lorenzo Ave., Suite 640 > > > Coral Gables, FL 33146 > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2010 Report Share Posted February 11, 2010 I looked at the BioRay site to see what's in NDF, but didn't learn much other than that it has broken cell wall chlorella. Is that the main substance? Is it a homeopathic or a hybrid? Thanks! " There is a crack in everything and that is how the light gets in. " Leonard Cohen > > From: drrydland@... > Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 21:07:04 -0500 > Subject: Re: [ ] Re: PCA-Rx vs DMSA > > These are natural substances which remove chemicals from the body. They > contain minute particles of herbs and probiotics, occasionally other > substances, which complex with the chemicals, including heavy metals, > pesticides and others and remove them from the body safely. The names are > for three different companies which produce similar products. My experience > has been positive in that there is improvement without side effects for the > most part. BioRay, which produces the NDF has several studies indicating > their efficacy and I have had several patients that have documented > decreases in heavy metals from its use. > > On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 2:05 PM, Larsen <julhowsash@...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dr. Ryland- > > Would you mind spelling out just what PCA-RX, HMD. and NDF are? I'm still > > very new to this. > > Thanks! > > > > " There is a crack in everything and that is how the light gets in. " > > Leonard Cohen > > > > > > > < %40> > > > From: drrydland@... <drrydland%40kidswellness.com> > > > Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 12:05:38 -0500 > > > Subject: Re: [ ] Re: PCA-Rx vs DMSA > > > > > > Comment and question: > > > > > > I have patients that use both clatharating agents such as PCA Rx (also > > HMD, > > > but I use NDF) and chelation sucessfully. Question is what is " CN " ? > > > > > > On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 11:38 AM, thebestfedbaby > > > <summermcfarland@... <summermcfarland%40gmail.com>>wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are comparing apples and oranges. They all work to some degree, it > > is > > > > just finding what works best for your life, family, etc. > > > > > > > > DMSA is man-made and is sulphur-based. There are some side effects > > > > associated with it, but it has a proven track record for safety in low > > doses > > > > and it crosses the blood brain barrier. Although it removes mercury, > > lead, > > > > cadmium and arsenic it doesn't discriminate and you need to supplement > > the > > > > other minerals that are removed. It has documented abilities to remove > > > > mercury from blood, liver, brain, spleen, lungs, large intestine, > > skeletal > > > > muscle, and bone. > > > > > > > > PCA is a product made as a result of fermentation of microbes in > > organic > > > > material. It is actually a living product that mimics bodily fluids and > > > > becomes a living part of the body. It does all that DMSA does and more, > > > > removing pesticides (in our case Atrazine), metals (all metals > > including > > > > uranium), etc. but it is discriminate in its cleansing so you don't > > > > supplement minerals, etc. > > > > > > > > I am honestly biased, as I find that ALA, DMSA and others create a > > whole > > > > slew of other reactions, supplementations, yeast flare ups, stimming > > and > > > > more, whereas the PCA has two issues - 1) it won't work if you have > > daily > > > > exposure (lead, asbestos, etc. in the house) because it will be binding > > the > > > > current toxins and not the residuals, so you do have to reduce your > > toxic > > > > loads (but you should be doing that regardless of the method you use) > > and 2) > > > > if you don't drink enough water you may get constipated. > > > > > > > > I have seen children recover on both, and I have seen many people use > > the > > > > DMSA, hit a road block and use the PCA. (My daughter recovered until > > > > herbicide exposure caused regression, which means I get to start over > > (yea > > > > me) but I have family members recovering.) My dog has cancer and was > > > > bleeding vaginally (at 6 and spayed) since December. Nothing was > > helping. > > > > Four doses last night of the PCA and CN from Maxam, and she stopped. > > She was > > > > fine this morning as well. > > > > > > > > Of course, we all have opinions. I it is just what works for you, as > > you > > > > are the one that will be researching, administering, etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am considering chelation for my son who is almost 6yrs old and > > trying > > > > to read/learn everything I can. I just stumbled across a reference to > > PCA-Rx > > > > ... does anybody know anything about this? Has or is anybody using it? > > How > > > > effective is it compared with oral DMSA? Sorry if these are stupid Qs > > ... > > > > it's all new and I'm trying to learn all I can. My son is on a GF/CF > > diet, > > > > takes probiotics and liquid zink and I give him epsom salt baths. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > Rhys > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Summer McFarland > > > > 1.22 HEAL KIDS > > > > 1.224.325.5437 > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Over fourteen years of organic search engine optimization, marketing > > and > > > > design. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > God's blessings in Christ, > > > Your Partner in Health, > > > N. Rydland, M.D. > > > Founder and developer of kidsWellness, Inc. > > > Natural products and information for healthier families > > > www.kidswellness.com > > > www.rydlandjuice.com > > > > > > Main office: > > > 1921 Commonwealth Drive > > > Charlottesville, VA 22901 > > > 434-984-KIDS (5437) > > > Fax: 434-984-5439 > > > > > > Other offices: > > > 140 N.E. 119 St > > > North Miami, FL > > > > > > 2316 Hollywood Blvd > > > Hollywood, Fl 33020 > > > > > > 12595 S.W. 137 Ave, Suite 108 > > > Miami Fl 33186 > > > > > > 135 San Lorenzo Ave., Suite 640 > > > Coral Gables, FL 33146 > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2010 Report Share Posted February 11, 2010 Rydland, M.D. wrote: > These are natural substances which remove chemicals from the body. They > contain minute particles of herbs and probiotics, occasionally other > substances, which complex with the chemicals, including heavy metals, > pesticides and others and remove them from the body safely. The names are > for three different companies which produce similar products. My experience > has been positive in that there is improvement without side effects for the > most part. BioRay, which produces the NDF has several studies indicating > their efficacy Which they decline to share. > and I have had several patients that have documented > decreases in heavy metals from its use. > How? Levels through challenge tests are random and therefore insignificant. PCA-Rx and ALL custom similar products are created to spur marketing and sales. > On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 2:05 PM, Larsen <julhowsash@...> wrote: > > >> >> Dr. Ryland- >> Would you mind spelling out just what PCA-RX, HMD. and NDF are? I'm still >> very new to this. >> Thanks! >> >> " There is a crack in everything and that is how the light gets in. " >> Leonard Cohen >> >> >> >>> < %40> >>> From: drrydland@... <drrydland%40kidswellness.com> >>> Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 12:05:38 -0500 >>> Subject: Re: [ ] Re: PCA-Rx vs DMSA >>> >>> Comment and question: >>> >>> I have patients that use both clatharating agents such as PCA Rx (also >>> >> HMD, >> >>> but I use NDF) and chelation sucessfully. Question is what is " CN " ? >>> >>> On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 11:38 AM, thebestfedbaby >>> <summermcfarland@... <summermcfarland%40gmail.com>>wrote: >>> >>>> You are comparing apples and oranges. They all work to some degree, it >>>> >> is >> >>>> just finding what works best for your life, family, etc. >>>> >>>> DMSA is man-made and is sulphur-based. There are some side effects >>>> associated with it, but it has a proven track record for safety in low >>>> >> doses >> >>>> and it crosses the blood brain barrier. Although it removes mercury, >>>> >> lead, >> >>>> cadmium and arsenic it doesn't discriminate and you need to supplement >>>> >> the >> >>>> other minerals that are removed. It has documented abilities to remove >>>> mercury from blood, liver, brain, spleen, lungs, large intestine, >>>> >> skeletal >> >>>> muscle, and bone. >>>> >>>> PCA is a product made as a result of fermentation of microbes in >>>> >> organic >> >>>> material. It is actually a living product that mimics bodily fluids and >>>> becomes a living part of the body. It does all that DMSA does and more, >>>> removing pesticides (in our case Atrazine), metals (all metals >>>> >> including >> >>>> uranium), etc. but it is discriminate in its cleansing so you don't >>>> supplement minerals, etc. >>>> >>>> I am honestly biased, as I find that ALA, DMSA and others create a >>>> >> whole >> >>>> slew of other reactions, supplementations, yeast flare ups, stimming >>>> >> and >> >>>> more, whereas the PCA has two issues - 1) it won't work if you have >>>> >> daily >> >>>> exposure (lead, asbestos, etc. in the house) because it will be binding >>>> >> the >> >>>> current toxins and not the residuals, so you do have to reduce your >>>> >> toxic >> >>>> loads (but you should be doing that regardless of the method you use) >>>> >> and 2) >> >>>> if you don't drink enough water you may get constipated. >>>> >>>> I have seen children recover on both, and I have seen many people use >>>> >> the >> >>>> DMSA, hit a road block and use the PCA. (My daughter recovered until >>>> herbicide exposure caused regression, which means I get to start over >>>> >> (yea >> >>>> me) but I have family members recovering.) My dog has cancer and was >>>> bleeding vaginally (at 6 and spayed) since December. Nothing was >>>> >> helping. >> >>>> Four doses last night of the PCA and CN from Maxam, and she stopped. >>>> >> She was >> >>>> fine this morning as well. >>>> >>>> Of course, we all have opinions. I it is just what works for you, as >>>> >> you >> >>>> are the one that will be researching, administering, etc. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> I am considering chelation for my son who is almost 6yrs old and >>>>> >> trying >> >>>> to read/learn everything I can. I just stumbled across a reference to >>>> >> PCA-Rx >> >>>> ... does anybody know anything about this? Has or is anybody using it? >>>> >> How >> >>>> effective is it compared with oral DMSA? Sorry if these are stupid Qs >>>> >> ... >> >>>> it's all new and I'm trying to learn all I can. My son is on a GF/CF >>>> >> diet, >> >>>> takes probiotics and liquid zink and I give him epsom salt baths. >>>> >>>>> Thanks >>>>> Rhys >>>>> >>>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> Summer McFarland >>>> 1.22 HEAL KIDS >>>> 1.224.325.5437 >>>> ---------------------------------------------------------- >>>> Over fourteen years of organic search engine optimization, marketing >>>> >> and >> >>>> design. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> God's blessings in Christ, >>> Your Partner in Health, >>> N. Rydland, M.D. >>> Founder and developer of kidsWellness, Inc. >>> Natural products and information for healthier families >>> www.kidswellness.com >>> www.rydlandjuice.com >>> >>> Main office: >>> 1921 Commonwealth Drive >>> Charlottesville, VA 22901 >>> 434-984-KIDS (5437) >>> Fax: 434-984-5439 >>> >>> Other offices: >>> 140 N.E. 119 St >>> North Miami, FL >>> >>> 2316 Hollywood Blvd >>> Hollywood, Fl 33020 >>> >>> 12595 S.W. 137 Ave, Suite 108 >>> Miami Fl 33186 >>> >>> 135 San Lorenzo Ave., Suite 640 >>> Coral Gables, FL 33146 >>> >>> >>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2010 Report Share Posted February 12, 2010 Blood lead levels for example that seriallly decline. I know this group doesn't believe in other treatments for heavy metals but there are many effective ones....and patients get better without side effects. Chelation can be used when the body is properly prepared and have minimal side effects. I appreciate the information I have attained about the Cutler protocol but not the nastiness in attacks about other ways of dealing with heavy metals. Let's please agree to share ideas in a collegial manner. On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 2:33 AM, Ross <mrossgrp@...> wrote: > > > Rydland, M.D. wrote: > > These are natural substances which remove chemicals from the body. They > > contain minute particles of herbs and probiotics, occasionally other > > substances, which complex with the chemicals, including heavy metals, > > pesticides and others and remove them from the body safely. The names are > > for three different companies which produce similar products. My > experience > > has been positive in that there is improvement without side effects for > the > > most part. BioRay, which produces the NDF has several studies indicating > > their efficacy > Which they decline to share. > > and I have had several patients that have documented > > decreases in heavy metals from its use. > > > How? Levels through challenge tests are random and therefore insignificant. > > PCA-Rx and ALL custom similar products are created to spur marketing and > sales. > > > > > On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 2:05 PM, Larsen <julhowsash@...<julhowsash%40msn.com>> > wrote: > > > > > >> > >> Dr. Ryland- > >> Would you mind spelling out just what PCA-RX, HMD. and NDF are? I'm > still > >> very new to this. > >> Thanks! > >> > >> " There is a crack in everything and that is how the light gets in. " > >> Leonard Cohen > >> > >> > >> > >>> < %40>< % > 40> > >>> From: drrydland@... <drrydland%40kidswellness.com><drrydland% > 40kidswellness.com> > >>> Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 12:05:38 -0500 > >>> Subject: Re: [ ] Re: PCA-Rx vs DMSA > >>> > >>> Comment and question: > >>> > >>> I have patients that use both clatharating agents such as PCA Rx (also > >>> > >> HMD, > >> > >>> but I use NDF) and chelation sucessfully. Question is what is " CN " ? > >>> > >>> On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 11:38 AM, thebestfedbaby > >>> <summermcfarland@... <summermcfarland%40gmail.com><summermcfarland% > 40gmail.com>>wrote: > >>> > >>>> You are comparing apples and oranges. They all work to some degree, it > >>>> > >> is > >> > >>>> just finding what works best for your life, family, etc. > >>>> > >>>> DMSA is man-made and is sulphur-based. There are some side effects > >>>> associated with it, but it has a proven track record for safety in low > >>>> > >> doses > >> > >>>> and it crosses the blood brain barrier. Although it removes mercury, > >>>> > >> lead, > >> > >>>> cadmium and arsenic it doesn't discriminate and you need to supplement > >>>> > >> the > >> > >>>> other minerals that are removed. It has documented abilities to remove > >>>> mercury from blood, liver, brain, spleen, lungs, large intestine, > >>>> > >> skeletal > >> > >>>> muscle, and bone. > >>>> > >>>> PCA is a product made as a result of fermentation of microbes in > >>>> > >> organic > >> > >>>> material. It is actually a living product that mimics bodily fluids > and > >>>> becomes a living part of the body. It does all that DMSA does and > more, > >>>> removing pesticides (in our case Atrazine), metals (all metals > >>>> > >> including > >> > >>>> uranium), etc. but it is discriminate in its cleansing so you don't > >>>> supplement minerals, etc. > >>>> > >>>> I am honestly biased, as I find that ALA, DMSA and others create a > >>>> > >> whole > >> > >>>> slew of other reactions, supplementations, yeast flare ups, stimming > >>>> > >> and > >> > >>>> more, whereas the PCA has two issues - 1) it won't work if you have > >>>> > >> daily > >> > >>>> exposure (lead, asbestos, etc. in the house) because it will be > binding > >>>> > >> the > >> > >>>> current toxins and not the residuals, so you do have to reduce your > >>>> > >> toxic > >> > >>>> loads (but you should be doing that regardless of the method you use) > >>>> > >> and 2) > >> > >>>> if you don't drink enough water you may get constipated. > >>>> > >>>> I have seen children recover on both, and I have seen many people use > >>>> > >> the > >> > >>>> DMSA, hit a road block and use the PCA. (My daughter recovered until > >>>> herbicide exposure caused regression, which means I get to start over > >>>> > >> (yea > >> > >>>> me) but I have family members recovering.) My dog has cancer and was > >>>> bleeding vaginally (at 6 and spayed) since December. Nothing was > >>>> > >> helping. > >> > >>>> Four doses last night of the PCA and CN from Maxam, and she stopped. > >>>> > >> She was > >> > >>>> fine this morning as well. > >>>> > >>>> Of course, we all have opinions. I it is just what works for you, as > >>>> > >> you > >> > >>>> are the one that will be researching, administering, etc. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> I am considering chelation for my son who is almost 6yrs old and > >>>>> > >> trying > >> > >>>> to read/learn everything I can. I just stumbled across a reference to > >>>> > >> PCA-Rx > >> > >>>> ... does anybody know anything about this? Has or is anybody using it? > >>>> > >> How > >> > >>>> effective is it compared with oral DMSA? Sorry if these are stupid Qs > >>>> > >> ... > >> > >>>> it's all new and I'm trying to learn all I can. My son is on a GF/CF > >>>> > >> diet, > >> > >>>> takes probiotics and liquid zink and I give him epsom salt baths. > >>>> > >>>>> Thanks > >>>>> Rhys > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> Regards, > >>>> > >>>> Summer McFarland > >>>> 1.22 HEAL KIDS > >>>> 1.224.325.5437 > >>>> ---------------------------------------------------------- > >>>> Over fourteen years of organic search engine optimization, marketing > >>>> > >> and > >> > >>>> design. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> God's blessings in Christ, > >>> Your Partner in Health, > >>> N. Rydland, M.D. > >>> Founder and developer of kidsWellness, Inc. > >>> Natural products and information for healthier families > >>> www.kidswellness.com > >>> www.rydlandjuice.com > >>> > >>> Main office: > >>> 1921 Commonwealth Drive > >>> Charlottesville, VA 22901 > >>> 434-984-KIDS (5437) > >>> Fax: 434-984-5439 > >>> > >>> Other offices: > >>> 140 N.E. 119 St > >>> North Miami, FL > >>> > >>> 2316 Hollywood Blvd > >>> Hollywood, Fl 33020 > >>> > >>> 12595 S.W. 137 Ave, Suite 108 > >>> Miami Fl 33186 > >>> > >>> 135 San Lorenzo Ave., Suite 640 > >>> Coral Gables, FL 33146 > >>> > >>> > >>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2010 Report Share Posted February 12, 2010 , Can you share how you came to this conclusion? Have you used any of these products personally? > PCA-Rx and ALL custom similar products are created to spur marketing > sales. > Regards, Summer McFarland 1.22 HEAL KIDS 1.224.325.5437 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------------------------------------- Over fourteen years of organic search engine optimization, marketing and design. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2010 Report Share Posted February 12, 2010 thebestfedbaby wrote: > > , > > Can you share how you came to this conclusion? Have you used any of > these products personally? > I do not use products that do not state ingredients and amounts of such ingredients on the label. I do not use products that have " feel good " websites and very little other information about them. I do not use products peddled by resellers on commission, or by web sites that are obviously providing generic information for the purpose of marketing a product. I do not use products whose manufacturers are not forthcoming with sound technical information and research about their products. I do not use products sold directly by " professionals " whose business it is to diagnose conditions (i.e. MDs, NDs, NPs, etc...) > > > > PCA-Rx and ALL custom similar products are created to spur marketing > > sales. > > > > Regards, > > Summer McFarland > 1.22 HEAL KIDS > 1.224.325.5437 > ---------------------------------------------------------- > Over fourteen years of organic search engine optimization, marketing > and design. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2010 Report Share Posted February 12, 2010 Rydland, M.D. wrote: > Blood lead levels for example that seriallly decline. I know this group > doesn't believe in other treatments for heavy metals but there are many > effective ones....and patients get better without side effects. Chelation > can be used when the body is properly prepared and have minimal side > effects. I appreciate the information I have attained about the Cutler > protocol but not the nastiness in attacks about other ways of dealing with > heavy metals. Let's please agree to share ideas in a collegial manner. > I don't think so. Not when certain " ideas " are damaging to children when implemented by parents who don't know any better and will give the information provided " the benefit of the doubt " only because the initials " MD " appear after the name of the person giving it. , you appear to derive income from suggestions you make to this list. This is a patent and obvious conflict of interest. It would also cause you to lose your licence to practice medicine in most civilized places in the world. It is even sadder that you cannot design your OWN website rydlandjuice.com, instead just slapping your name on the generic Juice Plus website and receiving income from orders redirected from this. This is not an attack. It is a simple statement of fact and a warning to people reading your " information " that they might want to consider whose mouth it is coming from. > On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 2:33 AM, Ross <mrossgrp@...> wrote: > > >> Rydland, M.D. wrote: >> >>> These are natural substances which remove chemicals from the body. They >>> contain minute particles of herbs and probiotics, occasionally other >>> substances, which complex with the chemicals, including heavy metals, >>> pesticides and others and remove them from the body safely. The names are >>> for three different companies which produce similar products. My >>> >> experience >> >>> has been positive in that there is improvement without side effects for >>> >> the >> >>> most part. BioRay, which produces the NDF has several studies indicating >>> their efficacy >>> >> Which they decline to share. >> >>> and I have had several patients that have documented >>> decreases in heavy metals from its use. >>> >>> >> How? Levels through challenge tests are random and therefore insignificant. >> >> PCA-Rx and ALL custom similar products are created to spur marketing and >> sales. >> >> >> >> >>> On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 2:05 PM, Larsen <julhowsash@...<julhowsash%40msn.com>> >>> >> wrote: >> >>> >>>> Dr. Ryland- >>>> Would you mind spelling out just what PCA-RX, HMD. and NDF are? I'm >>>> >> still >> >>>> very new to this. >>>> Thanks! >>>> >>>> " There is a crack in everything and that is how the light gets in. " >>>> Leonard Cohen >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> < %40>< % >>>>> >> 40> >> >>>>> From: drrydland@... <drrydland%40kidswellness.com><drrydland% >>>>> >> 40kidswellness.com> >> >>>>> Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 12:05:38 -0500 >>>>> Subject: Re: [ ] Re: PCA-Rx vs DMSA >>>>> >>>>> Comment and question: >>>>> >>>>> I have patients that use both clatharating agents such as PCA Rx (also >>>>> >>>>> >>>> HMD, >>>> >>>> >>>>> but I use NDF) and chelation sucessfully. Question is what is " CN " ? >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 11:38 AM, thebestfedbaby >>>>> <summermcfarland@... <summermcfarland%40gmail.com><summermcfarland% >>>>> >> 40gmail.com>>wrote: >> >>>>>> You are comparing apples and oranges. They all work to some degree, it >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> is >>>> >>>> >>>>>> just finding what works best for your life, family, etc. >>>>>> >>>>>> DMSA is man-made and is sulphur-based. There are some side effects >>>>>> associated with it, but it has a proven track record for safety in low >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> doses >>>> >>>> >>>>>> and it crosses the blood brain barrier. Although it removes mercury, >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> lead, >>>> >>>> >>>>>> cadmium and arsenic it doesn't discriminate and you need to supplement >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> the >>>> >>>> >>>>>> other minerals that are removed. It has documented abilities to remove >>>>>> mercury from blood, liver, brain, spleen, lungs, large intestine, >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> skeletal >>>> >>>> >>>>>> muscle, and bone. >>>>>> >>>>>> PCA is a product made as a result of fermentation of microbes in >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> organic >>>> >>>> >>>>>> material. It is actually a living product that mimics bodily fluids >>>>>> >> and >> >>>>>> becomes a living part of the body. It does all that DMSA does and >>>>>> >> more, >> >>>>>> removing pesticides (in our case Atrazine), metals (all metals >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> including >>>> >>>> >>>>>> uranium), etc. but it is discriminate in its cleansing so you don't >>>>>> supplement minerals, etc. >>>>>> >>>>>> I am honestly biased, as I find that ALA, DMSA and others create a >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> whole >>>> >>>> >>>>>> slew of other reactions, supplementations, yeast flare ups, stimming >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> and >>>> >>>> >>>>>> more, whereas the PCA has two issues - 1) it won't work if you have >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> daily >>>> >>>> >>>>>> exposure (lead, asbestos, etc. in the house) because it will be >>>>>> >> binding >> >>>> the >>>> >>>> >>>>>> current toxins and not the residuals, so you do have to reduce your >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> toxic >>>> >>>> >>>>>> loads (but you should be doing that regardless of the method you use) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> and 2) >>>> >>>> >>>>>> if you don't drink enough water you may get constipated. >>>>>> >>>>>> I have seen children recover on both, and I have seen many people use >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> the >>>> >>>> >>>>>> DMSA, hit a road block and use the PCA. (My daughter recovered until >>>>>> herbicide exposure caused regression, which means I get to start over >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> (yea >>>> >>>> >>>>>> me) but I have family members recovering.) My dog has cancer and was >>>>>> bleeding vaginally (at 6 and spayed) since December. Nothing was >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> helping. >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Four doses last night of the PCA and CN from Maxam, and she stopped. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> She was >>>> >>>> >>>>>> fine this morning as well. >>>>>> >>>>>> Of course, we all have opinions. I it is just what works for you, as >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> you >>>> >>>> >>>>>> are the one that will be researching, administering, etc. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> I am considering chelation for my son who is almost 6yrs old and >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>> trying >>>> >>>> >>>>>> to read/learn everything I can. I just stumbled across a reference to >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> PCA-Rx >>>> >>>> >>>>>> ... does anybody know anything about this? Has or is anybody using it? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> How >>>> >>>> >>>>>> effective is it compared with oral DMSA? Sorry if these are stupid Qs >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> ... >>>> >>>> >>>>>> it's all new and I'm trying to learn all I can. My son is on a GF/CF >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> diet, >>>> >>>> >>>>>> takes probiotics and liquid zink and I give him epsom salt baths. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>> Rhys >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> >>>>>> Summer McFarland >>>>>> 1.22 HEAL KIDS >>>>>> 1.224.325.5437 >>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> Over fourteen years of organic search engine optimization, marketing >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> and >>>> >>>> >>>>>> design. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> God's blessings in Christ, >>>>> Your Partner in Health, >>>>> N. Rydland, M.D. >>>>> Founder and developer of kidsWellness, Inc. >>>>> Natural products and information for healthier families >>>>> www.kidswellness.com >>>>> www.rydlandjuice.com >>>>> >>>>> Main office: >>>>> 1921 Commonwealth Drive >>>>> Charlottesville, VA 22901 >>>>> 434-984-KIDS (5437) >>>>> Fax: 434-984-5439 >>>>> >>>>> Other offices: >>>>> 140 N.E. 119 St >>>>> North Miami, FL >>>>> >>>>> 2316 Hollywood Blvd >>>>> Hollywood, Fl 33020 >>>>> >>>>> 12595 S.W. 137 Ave, Suite 108 >>>>> Miami Fl 33186 >>>>> >>>>> 135 San Lorenzo Ave., Suite 640 >>>>> Coral Gables, FL 33146 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2010 Report Share Posted February 12, 2010 Over the years products like this have been discussed and parents have posted their ills of using them. Andy has posted his analysis of them. There are parent experiences on Moria's site also. Anyone can search the archives or old posts to find these discussions. In actual practice things like PCA-RX and NDF make autistic children worse. They use ingredients that either don't bind mercury or that bind it but we don't have the proper pharmokinetics to use them properly. (ie: how long they last in the body) Just because something is natural does not mean it's the best approach. If you use it improperly the consequence can be dire. I've seen many adults mess themselves up on other groups trying to chelate using products like these. Alpha lipoic acid is natural and cheap and readily available and we know how to use it. I would not gamble with my child when I can use something that I know how it works and it doesn't cost a lot of money. Jan > > > > , > > > > Can you share how you came to this conclusion? Have you used any of these products personally? > > > I do not use products that do not state ingredients and amounts of such ingredients on the label. > > I do not use products that have " feel good " websites and very little > other information about them. > > I do not use products peddled by resellers on commission, or by web > sites that are obviously providing generic information for the purpose > of marketing a product. > > I do not use products whose manufacturers are not forthcoming with sound > technical information and research about their products. > > I do not use products sold directly by " professionals " whose business it > is to diagnose conditions (i.e. MDs, NDs, NPs, etc...) > > > > > > > > > --- In Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2010 Report Share Posted February 12, 2010 PCA_Rx is not OK to use. The most powerful and useful chelating agent available, ALA, is available as an over the counter nutritional supplement. Insurance coverage is a red herring, when treated competently chelation is a very simple process that doesn't cost very much either for doctor time or chelating agents. further comment below. > > > > > > I am considering chelation for my son who is almost 6yrs old and trying > > to read/learn everything I can. I just stumbled across a reference to PCA-Rx > > ... does anybody know anything about this? Has or is anybody using it? How > > effective is it compared with oral DMSA? Sorry if these are stupid Qs ... > > it's all new and I'm trying to learn all I can. My son is on a GF/CF diet, > > takes probiotics and liquid zink and I give him epsom salt baths. > > > > > > Thanks > > > Rhys > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Summer McFarland > > 1.22 HEAL KIDS > > 1.224.325.5437 > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > Over fourteen years of organic search engine optimization, marketing and > > design. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2010 Report Share Posted February 12, 2010 This is really about products as a whole. There are MANY different routes that arrive at the same destination. I just wanted concrete " this is why it doesn't work " because my daughter, my recovering nephew, my seizure-less dog, my grandmother with dementia, my neighbor with cancer, and others that I know personally have seen results. No one I know personally has NOT seen results. I even know a mom who was doing chelation that switched to PCA and is overcoming the road block. All of these people, however, work directly with the company and followup when they have questions, and perhaps follow up is key? PCA-Rx was recommended by Great Plains Labs in their newsletter, as no other agent was removing metals at the rate of PCA-Rx. They also noted amazed results at removing uranium, which was unheard of at the time. I have searched the archives, but I don't see any particular real reasons, besides people being ignorant of how a product works, which is not the problem of the person, but mainly an issue for the company to address in their materials. This is what I found: On Moria's site there are a lot of positives about the product and two negatives -- one from a lady that admittedly nothing was working well for, and one from a little body that became aggressive. These types of things can be triggered by using too much or not using enough. Interesting about the lady, she said she was doing better and then moved... if you have someone with an environmental toxin overload move and stir up things in the house, lead paints, molds, etc., that definitely can happen, in which case ANY product would address the NEW coming in and you may not be able to address the level of toxins introduced, therefore you have old toxins and the influx of new ones, plus emotional stressors. You have to treat the whole body. Quotes from AC: " PCA is ineffective. It does nothing. I drew this conclusion from reading the clinical information the manufacturer supplied with it. Since it does absolutely nothing, this means it is much more effective than DMPS injections, DMSA every other day, or DMSA every 8 hours, which are harmful and make people worse. These were the things it was compared to - it was not compared to no therapy or to a helpful chelating regimen. Andy " - Tue Apr 24, 2001 12:30 am /message/22672 " Yes. It is ineffective. I wouldn't waste any money on it, but at least it won't hurt your kid. It doesn't do anything. Andy " - Sun Aug 13, 2000 1:22 pm /message/6460 So explain: First it does nothing, then, it does something, but just redistributes, but anything negative that people have to say isn't followed up by saying they got lab work and it wasn't showing anything, on the contrary, the remarks are (besides Inga and another lady): 118824 Libby rupp5102@ -- " improvements in receptive language, motor skills and reasoning " 128787 Pamela pamelaleigh@ -- " dramatic leap in his development " ; " this is helping our son " 69503 Terri rat.richard@ -- " lots of good all round improvements " ; " playing together now " 77729Terri rat.richard@ -- " slow gains " ; " non verbal has increasingly become very very vocal " 77762 dhooten@ -- " exploring more, .... initiating " ** 127788 justice9999@ -- " I haven't seen any changes " MY NOTE: This lady states that she is not using it on autistic sons, but on her NT daughter and hasn't seen any changes. What changes would you see on a NT child? 121288 Tom tomstoeckle@ -- " I've taken 2 bottles without change of symptoms " MY NOTE: Doesn't say that he was testing or dosage or anything 148454 Ruth -- " no adverse effects " MY NOTE: if you read what the email states, Ruth says: I have been using PCA-rx for about 6 months with no adverse effects. Also, i used it on my sons before starting DMPS - again, with no adverse effects. I did a fecal toxics analysis on one of my sons while on PCA-rx and he was pulling a lot of metals. We still decided to use DMPS, though, because it is a better chelator of mercury, according to our DAN. I still use the PCA-rx, though, because I have amalgams. So here is a lady seeing results and stopped because her Dan dr said it wasn't a good chelator - EVEN THOUGH she was seeing results with no side effects. 121283 rywilli24@ -- " her stools....got better. " 81389 Marti Martharolfe@ -- mostly about test results while using product. MY NOTE: Her email is much more positive than that: I use PCA-Rx for my 6 year old and have done for about 5 weeks. I had to start with a very low dose of 1 spray because at 2 sprays he was a little wierd. Now he's getting 4 sprays/day and doing fine. We did a test while he was on it and it showed elevated lead (.085 with a reference range of <.5) and a fair bit of mercury (.035 with a ref range below .05) There were some other numbers, too, on other metals but I cannot remember off hand. The test was a fecal metals test at doctor's data. I admit to not really understanding this product, but it seems to do the job that maxamlabs says that it does. I've had no reaction as long as we creep up the doses! I just would like some reasoning for the bias, as I know that they ALL work. But I also know that I could never do the AC protocol with my dog, or my kids, or with patients. I could, personally, never keep up with supplements for stimming, yeast outbreaks, and all of the other things that have popped up on the list... and I have seen kids under three recover in three or four months. And , if you read this far, everyone at some point starts out with great intentions. If Dr. Rydland believes and sees benefits in Juice Plus, shouldn't he at least be compensated for his time in that manner, so that he can afford pro-bono work, lectures and helping others? Isn't that what it is all about? Isn't that why we are all here? Regards, Summer McFarland 1.22 HEAL KIDS 1.224.325.5437 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------------------------------------- Over fourteen years of organic search engine optimization, marketing and design. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2010 Report Share Posted February 12, 2010 We have tried PCA Rx for almost 1 year with ZERO improvement. However, I agree that PCA Rx is harmless, worthless and useless too. It is ultra high expensive water/liquid. Just a big waste of money for us. If the makers of PCA Rx believe it is effective, why don't they actually fo double blind studies? Ragha > > This is really about products as a whole. There are MANY different routes that arrive at the same destination. I just wanted concrete " this is why it doesn't work " because my daughter, my recovering nephew, my seizure-less dog, my grandmother with dementia, my neighbor with cancer, and others that I know personally have seen results. No one I know personally has NOT seen results. I even know a mom who was doing chelation that switched to PCA and is overcoming the road block. All of these people, however, work directly with the company and followup when they have questions, and perhaps follow up is key? > > PCA-Rx was recommended by Great Plains Labs in their newsletter, as no other agent was removing metals at the rate of PCA-Rx. They also noted amazed results at removing uranium, which was unheard of at the time. > > I have searched the archives, but I don't see any particular real reasons, besides people being ignorant of how a product works, which is not the problem of the person, but mainly an issue for the company to address in their materials. > > This is what I found: > > On Moria's site there are a lot of positives about the product and two negatives -- one from a lady that admittedly nothing was working well for, and one from a little body that became aggressive. These types of things can be triggered by using too much or not using enough. Interesting about the lady, she said she was doing better and then moved... if you have someone with an environmental toxin overload move and stir up things in the house, lead paints, molds, etc., that definitely can happen, in which case ANY product would address the NEW coming in and you may not be able to address the level of toxins introduced, therefore you have old toxins and the influx of new ones, plus emotional stressors. You have to treat the whole body. > > Quotes from AC: > > " PCA is ineffective. It does nothing. I drew this conclusion from > reading the clinical information the manufacturer supplied with it. Since it does absolutely nothing, this means it is much more effective > than DMPS injections, DMSA every other day, or DMSA every 8 hours, > which are harmful and make people worse. These were the things it was > compared to - it was not compared to no therapy or to a helpful > chelating regimen. > Andy " - Tue Apr 24, 2001 12:30 am > /message/22672 > > " Yes. It is ineffective. I wouldn't waste any money on it, but at least it won't hurt your kid. It doesn't do anything. > Andy " - Sun Aug 13, 2000 1:22 pm > /message/6460 > > So explain: > > First it does nothing, then, it does something, but just redistributes, but anything negative that people have to say isn't followed up by saying they got lab work and it wasn't showing anything, on the contrary, the remarks are (besides Inga and another lady): > > 118824 Libby rupp5102@ -- " improvements in receptive language, motor skills and reasoning " > > 128787 Pamela pamelaleigh@ -- " dramatic leap in his development " ; " this is helping our son " > > 69503 Terri rat.richard@ -- " lots of good all round improvements " ; " playing together now " > 77729Terri rat.richard@ -- " slow gains " ; " non verbal has increasingly become very very vocal " > 77762 dhooten@ -- " exploring more, .... initiating " > > ** > 127788 justice9999@ -- " I haven't seen any changes " > MY NOTE: This lady states that she is not using it on autistic sons, but on her NT daughter and hasn't seen any changes. What changes would you see on a NT child? > > 121288 Tom tomstoeckle@ -- " I've taken 2 bottles without change of symptoms " > MY NOTE: Doesn't say that he was testing or dosage or anything > > 148454 Ruth -- " no adverse effects " > MY NOTE: if you read what the email states, Ruth says: > I have been using PCA-rx for about 6 months with no adverse effects. Also, i used it on my sons before starting DMPS - again, with no adverse effects. I did a fecal toxics analysis on one of my sons while on PCA-rx and he was pulling a lot of metals. We still decided to use DMPS, though, because it is a better chelator of mercury, according to our DAN. I still use the PCA-rx, though, because I have amalgams. > > So here is a lady seeing results and stopped because her Dan dr said it wasn't a good chelator - EVEN THOUGH she was seeing results with no side effects. > > 121283 rywilli24@ -- " her stools....got better. " > > 81389 Marti Martharolfe@ -- mostly about test results while using product. > > MY NOTE: Her email is much more positive than that: > I use PCA-Rx for my 6 year old and have done for about 5 weeks. I had to start with a very low dose of 1 spray because at 2 sprays he was a little wierd. Now he's getting 4 sprays/day and doing fine. We did a test while he was on it and it showed elevated lead (.085 with a reference range of <.5) and a fair bit of mercury (.035 with a ref range below .05) There were some other numbers, too, on other metals but I cannot remember off hand. The test was a fecal metals test at doctor's data. I admit to not really understanding this product, but it seems to do the job that maxamlabs says that it does. I've had no reaction as long as we creep up the doses! > > > I just would like some reasoning for the bias, as I know that they ALL work. But I also know that I could never do the AC protocol with my dog, or my kids, or with patients. I could, personally, never keep up with supplements for stimming, yeast outbreaks, and all of the other things that have popped up on the list... and I have seen kids under three recover in three or four months. > > And , if you read this far, everyone at some point starts out with great intentions. If Dr. Rydland believes and sees benefits in Juice Plus, shouldn't he at least be compensated for his time in that manner, so that he can afford pro-bono work, lectures and helping others? Isn't that what it is all about? Isn't that why we are all here? > > Regards, > > Summer McFarland > 1.22 HEAL KIDS > 1.224.325.5437 > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------------------------------------- > Over fourteen years of organic search engine optimization, marketing and design. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2010 Report Share Posted February 12, 2010 Who did you purchase from? Did you follow up with Maxam? When there is seemingly no improvement, I know that there have been toxins in the home or pesticides in the yard or other environmental issues at play. Did you have fecal tests done? > > We have tried PCA Rx for almost 1 year with ZERO improvement. However, I agree that PCA Rx is harmless, worthless and useless too. It is ultra high expensive water/liquid. Just a big waste of money for us. > > If the makers of PCA Rx believe it is effective, why don't they actually fo double blind studies? > > Ragha > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2010 Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 Lead naturally move from blood into bone and brain. S S Re: PCA-Rx vs DMSA Rydland, M.D. wrote: > Blood lead levels for example that seriallly decline. ------------------------------------------------------------ Best Weight Loss Program - Click Here! Weight Loss Program http://tagline.excite.com/c?cp=TkImqPVE0_yPV0P9Yz9vygAAKZRr_2tbQBaG-3loGUsiTeHAA\ AYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAEUr47liI= Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2010 Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 Yes, I ordered from Maxam labs. I am 100% sure that PCA Rx doesn't have any scientific basis. Because, after PCA Rx we did DMPS with ALA, it worked wonders. My daughter became non verbal to verbal. Now, we are doing DMSA plus ALA and seeing slow, but constant improvement. All this time our home environment is constant. By the way, we don't have a backyard, don't use any chemicals in or around the house, we use organic, filtered water, no processed foods and GFCFSFSoyFCornF diet. We did the urine and fecal tests every 3 months while on PCA Rx and later on with DMPS. The tests showed no excretion on PCA Rx and good pulls of Mercury and other toxins (except Lead) on DMPS. PCA Rx might have worked for you, but didn't work for us and many of the parents I know of. regards, Ragha > > > > We have tried PCA Rx for almost 1 year with ZERO improvement. However, I agree that PCA Rx is harmless, worthless and useless too. It is ultra high expensive water/liquid. Just a big waste of money for us. > > > > If the makers of PCA Rx believe it is effective, why don't they actually fo double blind studies? > > > > Ragha > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2010 Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 My son went through 3 bottles PCA-Rx so I'm guessing that was 9 months long and before that he used their other spray (something with an H in the title but the same company and the bottle looked the same). Before and after tests showed his Lead level was reduced from moderatley high to insignificant over the year we used it but he is NO WAY near recovered. He did progress is speech and other areas but he is still very much PDD-NOS. His DAN! Dr wanted us to start using it again because she doesn't like the idea of using a " chemical to remove metals " ...she is referring to DMSA. After doing research I decided to do Andy's protocol. I figure whatever small gains I saw from PCA-Rx it wasn't worth the $ as I feel he would of made those gains in time regardless as he was 3-4 years old when we started it and was always making progress albeit slow but still progress. Money isn't really the concern-i would gladly go into debt to find something that would " recover " him. I just felt AC's protocol has more research behind it and no one's trying to profit off of it-that says a lot. We're only on our 9th round of AC chelation and have seen steady, small gains but I wasn't expecting a quick fix. I tend to do longer 5-7 day rounds instead of 3 days so he's had more chelation days than what 9 rounds would be. I will say that there have been some speech gains in the past 4 months that have really surprised me so I would have to attribute that to AC's protocol. T Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2010 Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 , Very well said. Any parent need to be cautious what is going inside kid's body. Even though Andy and DAN chelation methods are different, they at least agree on one thing: Scientifically proven Chelation agents (DMSA, DMPS, ALA). And I especially like Andy's method for safety, less side effects and high efficiency. I have personally used PCA Rx on my daughter with no effect (neither positive nor negative). It is en expensive liquid with no value. regards, Ragha > > > PCA-Rx and ALL custom similar products are created to spur marketing > > > sales. > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Summer McFarland > > 1.22 HEAL KIDS > > 1.224.325.5437 > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > Over fourteen years of organic search engine optimization, marketing > > and design. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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