Guest guest Posted February 9, 2010 Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 gEOrGe mUStArD wrote: > > > I recently found that I had mercury poisoning and I've been chelating > with ALA by itself. So far in several chelation cycles, I have had > about 20 " on " days total. > This is NOT 20 rounds, or " cycles " . A round is a complete 3-day cycle, each containing 20-24 doses of ALA. Do not count interrupted rounds (less than 20 doses). > (always take as many days off as I had on) I am concerned about an > inconsistency that I have seen in some of Andy's posts. > It is not inconsistent--you are perceiving two situations described very differently as being the same. See below. > > There have been times when a parent saw progress and then the progress > seemed to stop and his advice was to continue chelating with frequent > dose ala. > If there HAS BEEN progress and it stops, yes, you continue. > > But on the other hand I have read him as saying that if you don't have > some success in about 16 cycles, you need to move on and try something > else. > If chelation has NO EFFECT whatsoever, no symptom changes, no progress at all, THEN you assume it's not heavy metals and move on to try to find out what it is. > I'm not being negative or critical, I'm just worried that I will never > get better. > Worrying doesn't help. Keep chelating. Good things happen slowly. > I can definitely tell that something is happening while on the ALA but > I'm worried that maybe I'm too bad for this to work on. > If you can tell " something is happening " either because of improvement or worsening of symptoms, you have just described what Andy calls " some success " and therefore signed yourself up for the 1-5 years of frequent does chelation it can take to recover. > I have ordered DMSA and I will be adding that to the protocol and I > have also ordered Kelatox. I know that Andy isn't a fan of EDTA for > mercury, > It's not a matter of " being a fan " ! It's empirical knowledge. Look at ANY modern medical textbook that includes chelation. They unequivocally state that EDTA is not for mercury. > but > nevertheless there are alot of great user reports on EDTA > suppositories even on this list. > There are also reports that banging your head against a wall will relieve a headache. Don't. Not for mercury. Do NOT take EDTA and expect to get better. You will get worse, and postpone the benefits of DMSA/ALA. If you DO chose to use EDTA, you MUST frequent-dose every 8 hours on a 3-day on schedule as well, or you will get redistribution. Kelatox is 900 mg of EDTA in one " pop " . This is drastically excessive! I would STRONGLY recommend staying on ALA only. > If you have been healed of mercury poisoning, please contact me at > george_mustard@... <mailto:george_mustard%40> This > list is so busy that its nearly impossible to keep up or even search > even with the onibasu website. Thanks very much for encouragement or > advice. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2010 Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 Thanks for the reply, I wasn't counting each day as a cycle. But some poeple are doing longer cycles than others. If I tell you a total of how many on days I have done then you have a better idea of what I have done. My longest on cycle was 11 days. The shortest was 3. There are websites that say that ala doesn't work and will never work. There are also websites that say edta can work in just a few doses. There is soooooo much conficting info out there that it is hard to stay focused on one thing. When you said to stay on ala only, are you meaning to not add in the dmsa? If so then why. I have also read where Andy said it takes 30-60 3 day on 4 day off cycles to get well. Why are you saying 1 to 5 years? Once again, I just am having a hard time finding the answers in so many posts on this group. > > > I recently found that I had mercury poisoning and I've been chelating > with ALA by itself. So far in several chelation cycles, I have had > about 20 " on " days total. > This is NOT 20 rounds, or " cycles " . A round is a complete 3-day cycle, each containing 20-24 doses of ALA. Do not count interrupted rounds (less than 20 doses). > (always take as many days off as I had on) I am concerned about an > inconsistency that I have seen in some of Andy's posts. > It is not inconsistent--you are perceiving two situations described very differently as being the same. See below. > > There have been times when a parent saw progress and then the progress > seemed to stop and his advice was to continue chelating with frequent > dose ala. > If there HAS BEEN progress and it stops, yes, you continue. > > But on the other hand I have read him as saying that if you don't have > some success in about 16 cycles, you need to move on and try something > else. > If chelation has NO EFFECT whatsoever, no symptom changes, no progress at all, THEN you assume it's not heavy metals and move on to try to find out what it is. > I'm not being negative or critical, I'm just worried that I will never > get better. > Worrying doesn't help. Keep chelating. Good things happen slowly. > I can definitely tell that something is happening while on the ALA but > I'm worried that maybe I'm too bad for this to work on. > If you can tell " something is happening " either because of improvement or worsening of symptoms, you have just described what Andy calls " some success " and therefore signed yourself up for the 1-5 years of frequent does chelation it can take to recover. > I have ordered DMSA and I will be adding that to the protocol and I > have also ordered Kelatox. I know that Andy isn't a fan of EDTA for > mercury, > It's not a matter of " being a fan " ! It's empirical knowledge. Look at ANY modern medical textbook that includes chelation. They unequivocally state that EDTA is not for mercury. > but > nevertheless there are alot of great user reports on EDTA > suppositories even on this list. > There are also reports that banging your head against a wall will relieve a headache. Don't. Not for mercury. Do NOT take EDTA and expect to get better. You will get worse, and postpone the benefits of DMSA/ALA. If you DO chose to use EDTA, you MUST frequent-dose every 8 hours on a 3-day on schedule as well, or you will get redistribution. Kelatox is 900 mg of EDTA in one " pop " . This is drastically excessive! I would STRONGLY recommend staying on ALA only. > If you have been healed of mercury poisoning, please contact me at > george_mustard@... <mailto:george_mustard%40> This > list is so busy that its nearly impossible to keep up or even search > even with the onibasu website. Thanks very much for encouragement or > advice. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2010 Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 Hello . Andy states to chelate " Until you are all better, and then chelate for a few months after that " He also states that most children will take 100-300 rounds to recover. Not sure about adults. Obviously it depends on the level of your toxicity, your body's metabolism, and a lot of other stuff. DMSA only works in the body, which is good. Andy also states that ALA plus DMSA chelates approx. 20-30% better than ALA alone. ALA is very important because it crosses the blood brain barrier. You can get Amalgam Illness at the library and read all about it. It can get a little complicated. I can tell you from experience that we tried ETDA and a few other nasty protocols with no success and some bad results. We are now following the AC protocol and making steady progress. Sorry to hear about your mercury poisoning diagnosis. I hope you all the success in your journey to recovery. Is there a spouse or child who can help you in this? It must be difficult. TJ ________________________________ From: gEOrGe mUStArD <george_mustard@...> Sent: Tue, February 9, 2010 1:20:07 PM Subject: Re: [ ] Concerned about ALA  Thanks for the reply, I wasn't counting each day as a cycle. But some poeple are doing longer cycles than others. If I tell you a total of how many on days I have done then you have a better idea of what I have done. My longest on cycle was 11 days. The shortest was 3. There are websites that say that ala doesn't work and will never work. There are also websites that say edta can work in just a few doses. There is soooooo much conficting info out there that it is hard to stay focused on one thing. When you said to stay on ala only, are you meaning to not add in the dmsa? If so then why. I have also read where Andy said it takes 30-60 3 day on 4 day off cycles to get well. Why are you saying 1 to 5 years? Once again, I just am having a hard time finding the answers in so many posts on this group. > > > I recently found that I had mercury poisoning and I've been chelating > with ALA by itself. So far in several chelation cycles, I have had > about 20 " on " days total. > This is NOT 20 rounds, or " cycles " . A round is a complete 3-day cycle, each containing 20-24 doses of ALA. Do not count interrupted rounds (less than 20 doses). > (always take as many days off as I had on) I am concerned about an > inconsistency that I have seen in some of Andy's posts. > It is not inconsistent- -you are perceiving two situations described very differently as being the same. See below. > > There have been times when a parent saw progress and then the progress > seemed to stop and his advice was to continue chelating with frequent > dose ala. > If there HAS BEEN progress and it stops, yes, you continue. > > But on the other hand I have read him as saying that if you don't have > some success in about 16 cycles, you need to move on and try something > else. > If chelation has NO EFFECT whatsoever, no symptom changes, no progress at all, THEN you assume it's not heavy metals and move on to try to find out what it is. > I'm not being negative or critical, I'm just worried that I will never > get better. > Worrying doesn't help. Keep chelating. Good things happen slowly. > I can definitely tell that something is happening while on the ALA but > I'm worried that maybe I'm too bad for this to work on. > If you can tell " something is happening " either because of improvement or worsening of symptoms, you have just described what Andy calls " some success " and therefore signed yourself up for the 1-5 years of frequent does chelation it can take to recover. > I have ordered DMSA and I will be adding that to the protocol and I > have also ordered Kelatox. I know that Andy isn't a fan of EDTA for > mercury, > It's not a matter of " being a fan " ! It's empirical knowledge. Look at ANY modern medical textbook that includes chelation. They unequivocally state that EDTA is not for mercury. > but > nevertheless there are alot of great user reports on EDTA > suppositories even on this list. > There are also reports that banging your head against a wall will relieve a headache. Don't. Not for mercury. Do NOT take EDTA and expect to get better. You will get worse, and postpone the benefits of DMSA/ALA. If you DO chose to use EDTA, you MUST frequent-dose every 8 hours on a 3-day on schedule as well, or you will get redistribution. Kelatox is 900 mg of EDTA in one " pop " . This is drastically excessive! I would STRONGLY recommend staying on ALA only. > If you have been healed of mercury poisoning, please contact me at > george_mustard <mailto:george_ mustard%40. com> This > list is so busy that its nearly impossible to keep up or even search > even with the onibasu website. Thanks very much for encouragement or > advice. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2010 Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 Thanks for the reply, no I'm all alone in this. When I take the ala it hurts way down in my bones. I have no idea where I got the mercury because I've never had a cavity in my life. > > > I recently found that I had mercury poisoning and I've been chelating > with ALA by itself. So far in several chelation cycles, I have had > about 20 " on " days total. > This is NOT 20 rounds, or " cycles " . A round is a complete 3-day cycle, each containing 20-24 doses of ALA. Do not count interrupted rounds (less than 20 doses). > (always take as many days off as I had on) I am concerned about an > inconsistency that I have seen in some of Andy's posts. > It is not inconsistent- -you are perceiving two situations described very differently as being the same. See below. > > There have been times when a parent saw progress and then the progress > seemed to stop and his advice was to continue chelating with frequent > dose ala. > If there HAS BEEN progress and it stops, yes, you continue. > > But on the other hand I have read him as saying that if you don't have > some success in about 16 cycles, you need to move on and try something > else. > If chelation has NO EFFECT whatsoever, no symptom changes, no progress at all, THEN you assume it's not heavy metals and move on to try to find out what it is. > I'm not being negative or critical, I'm just worried that I will never > get better. > Worrying doesn't help. Keep chelating. Good things happen slowly. > I can definitely tell that something is happening while on the ALA but > I'm worried that maybe I'm too bad for this to work on. > If you can tell " something is happening " either because of improvement or worsening of symptoms, you have just described what Andy calls " some success " and therefore signed yourself up for the 1-5 years of frequent does chelation it can take to recover. > I have ordered DMSA and I will be adding that to the protocol and I > have also ordered Kelatox. I know that Andy isn't a fan of EDTA for > mercury, > It's not a matter of " being a fan " ! It's empirical knowledge. Look at ANY modern medical textbook that includes chelation. They unequivocally state that EDTA is not for mercury. > but > nevertheless there are alot of great user reports on EDTA > suppositories even on this list. > There are also reports that banging your head against a wall will relieve a headache. Don't. Not for mercury. Do NOT take EDTA and expect to get better. You will get worse, and postpone the benefits of DMSA/ALA. If you DO chose to use EDTA, you MUST frequent-dose every 8 hours on a 3-day on schedule as well, or you will get redistribution. Kelatox is 900 mg of EDTA in one " pop " . This is drastically excessive! I would STRONGLY recommend staying on ALA only. > If you have been healed of mercury poisoning, please contact me at > george_mustard <mailto:george_ mustard%40. com> This > list is so busy that its nearly impossible to keep up or even search > even with the onibasu website. Thanks very much for encouragement or > advice. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2010 Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 how about a vaccine? On Feb 9, 2010, at 4:40 PM, gEOrGe mUStArD wrote: > Thanks for the reply, no I'm all alone in this. When I take the ala it hurts way down in my bones. I have no idea where I got the mercury because I've never had a cavity in my life. > > > > > > > > I recently found that I had mercury poisoning and I've been chelating > > with ALA by itself. So far in several chelation cycles, I have had > > about 20 " on " days total. > > > This is NOT 20 rounds, or " cycles " . A round is a complete 3-day cycle, > each containing 20-24 doses of ALA. Do not count interrupted rounds > (less than 20 doses). > > > (always take as many days off as I had on) I am concerned about an > > inconsistency that I have seen in some of Andy's posts. > > > It is not inconsistent- -you are perceiving two situations described very > differently as being the same. See below. > > > > There have been times when a parent saw progress and then the progress > > seemed to stop and his advice was to continue chelating with frequent > > dose ala. > > > If there HAS BEEN progress and it stops, yes, you continue. > > > > But on the other hand I have read him as saying that if you don't have > > some success in about 16 cycles, you need to move on and try something > > else. > > > If chelation has NO EFFECT whatsoever, no symptom changes, no progress > at all, THEN you assume it's not heavy metals and move on to try to find > out what it is. > > > I'm not being negative or critical, I'm just worried that I will never > > get better. > > > Worrying doesn't help. Keep chelating. Good things happen slowly. > > > I can definitely tell that something is happening while on the ALA but > > I'm worried that maybe I'm too bad for this to work on. > > > If you can tell " something is happening " either because of improvement > or worsening of symptoms, you have just described what Andy calls " some > success " and therefore signed yourself up for the 1-5 years of frequent > does chelation it can take to recover. > > > I have ordered DMSA and I will be adding that to the protocol and I > > have also ordered Kelatox. I know that Andy isn't a fan of EDTA for > > mercury, > > > It's not a matter of " being a fan " ! It's empirical knowledge. Look at > ANY modern medical textbook that includes chelation. They unequivocally > state that EDTA is not for mercury. > > > but > > nevertheless there are alot of great user reports on EDTA > > suppositories even on this list. > > > There are also reports that banging your head against a wall will > relieve a headache. Don't. Not for mercury. Do NOT take EDTA and expect > to get better. You will get worse, and postpone the benefits of DMSA/ALA. > > If you DO chose to use EDTA, you MUST frequent-dose every 8 hours on a > 3-day on schedule as well, or you will get redistribution. Kelatox is > 900 mg of EDTA in one " pop " . This is drastically excessive! > > I would STRONGLY recommend staying on ALA only. > > > > > If you have been healed of mercury poisoning, please contact me at > > george_mustard <mailto:george_ mustard%40. com> This > > list is so busy that its nearly impossible to keep up or even search > > even with the onibasu website. Thanks very much for encouragement or > > advice. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2010 Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 Hi , What is the dose you taking, are you following AC protocol? I don't think it supposed to hurt, may be your dose is too high and you need to lower it on next round? When I take ala I just get kind of angry from it and my son gets yeasty Good luck Natalia Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone with Nextel Direct Connect Re: [ ] Concerned about ALA Thanks for the reply, no I'm all alone in this. When I take the ala it hurts way down in my bones. I have no idea where I got the mercury because I've never had a cavity in my life. > > > I recently found that I had mercury poisoning and I've been chelating > with ALA by itself. So far in several chelation cycles, I have had > about 20 " on " days total. > This is NOT 20 rounds, or " cycles " . A round is a complete 3-day cycle, each containing 20-24 doses of ALA. Do not count interrupted rounds (less than 20 doses). > (always take as many days off as I had on) I am concerned about an > inconsistency that I have seen in some of Andy's posts. > It is not inconsistent- -you are perceiving two situations described very differently as being the same. See below. > > There have been times when a parent saw progress and then the progress > seemed to stop and his advice was to continue chelating with frequent > dose ala. > If there HAS BEEN progress and it stops, yes, you continue. > > But on the other hand I have read him as saying that if you don't have > some success in about 16 cycles, you need to move on and try something > else. > If chelation has NO EFFECT whatsoever, no symptom changes, no progress at all, THEN you assume it's not heavy metals and move on to try to find out what it is. > I'm not being negative or critical, I'm just worried that I will never > get better. > Worrying doesn't help. Keep chelating. Good things happen slowly. > I can definitely tell that something is happening while on the ALA but > I'm worried that maybe I'm too bad for this to work on. > If you can tell " something is happening " either because of improvement or worsening of symptoms, you have just described what Andy calls " some success " and therefore signed yourself up for the 1-5 years of frequent does chelation it can take to recover. > I have ordered DMSA and I will be adding that to the protocol and I > have also ordered Kelatox. I know that Andy isn't a fan of EDTA for > mercury, > It's not a matter of " being a fan " ! It's empirical knowledge. Look at ANY modern medical textbook that includes chelation. They unequivocally state that EDTA is not for mercury. > but > nevertheless there are alot of great user reports on EDTA > suppositories even on this list. > There are also reports that banging your head against a wall will relieve a headache. Don't. Not for mercury. Do NOT take EDTA and expect to get better. You will get worse, and postpone the benefits of DMSA/ALA. If you DO chose to use EDTA, you MUST frequent-dose every 8 hours on a 3-day on schedule as well, or you will get redistribution. Kelatox is 900 mg of EDTA in one " pop " . This is drastically excessive! I would STRONGLY recommend staying on ALA only. > If you have been healed of mercury poisoning, please contact me at > george_mustard <mailto:george_ mustard%40. com> This > list is so busy that its nearly impossible to keep up or even search > even with the onibasu website. Thanks very much for encouragement or > advice. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2010 Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 I had plenty of them when I was a kid. I'm 45 now. Unless there is mercury in epoxy. I have worked alot with epoxy. > > > > > > I recently found that I had mercury poisoning and I've been chelating > > with ALA by itself. So far in several chelation cycles, I have had > > about 20 " on " days total. > > > This is NOT 20 rounds, or " cycles " . A round is a complete 3-day cycle, > each containing 20-24 doses of ALA. Do not count interrupted rounds > (less than 20 doses). > > > (always take as many days off as I had on) I am concerned about an > > inconsistency that I have seen in some of Andy's posts. > > > It is not inconsistent- -you are perceiving two situations described very > differently as being the same. See below. > > > > There have been times when a parent saw progress and then the progress > > seemed to stop and his advice was to continue chelating with frequent > > dose ala. > > > If there HAS BEEN progress and it stops, yes, you continue. > > > > But on the other hand I have read him as saying that if you don't have > > some success in about 16 cycles, you need to move on and try something > > else. > > > If chelation has NO EFFECT whatsoever, no symptom changes, no progress > at all, THEN you assume it's not heavy metals and move on to try to find > out what it is. > > > I'm not being negative or critical, I'm just worried that I will never > > get better. > > > Worrying doesn't help. Keep chelating. Good things happen slowly. > > > I can definitely tell that something is happening while on the ALA but > > I'm worried that maybe I'm too bad for this to work on. > > > If you can tell " something is happening " either because of improvement > or worsening of symptoms, you have just described what Andy calls " some > success " and therefore signed yourself up for the 1-5 years of frequent > does chelation it can take to recover. > > > I have ordered DMSA and I will be adding that to the protocol and I > > have also ordered Kelatox. I know that Andy isn't a fan of EDTA for > > mercury, > > > It's not a matter of " being a fan " ! It's empirical knowledge. Look at > ANY modern medical textbook that includes chelation. They unequivocally > state that EDTA is not for mercury. > > > but > > nevertheless there are alot of great user reports on EDTA > > suppositories even on this list. > > > There are also reports that banging your head against a wall will > relieve a headache. Don't. Not for mercury. Do NOT take EDTA and expect > to get better. You will get worse, and postpone the benefits of DMSA/ALA. > > If you DO chose to use EDTA, you MUST frequent-dose every 8 hours on a > 3-day on schedule as well, or you will get redistribution. Kelatox is > 900 mg of EDTA in one " pop " . This is drastically excessive! > > I would STRONGLY recommend staying on ALA only. > > > > > If you have been healed of mercury poisoning, please contact me at > > george_mustard <mailto:george_ mustard%40. com> This > > list is so busy that its nearly impossible to keep up or even search > > even with the onibasu website. Thanks very much for encouragement or > > advice. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2010 Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 I am slightly over 200 pounds and taking 100 mg every 3 hours. I'm at least sure that I'm on the right track that I have mercury because ala shouldn't give me herxheimer reactions unless I have mercury. > > > I recently found that I had mercury poisoning and I've been chelating > with ALA by itself. So far in several chelation cycles, I have had > about 20 " on " days total. > This is NOT 20 rounds, or " cycles " . A round is a complete 3-day cycle, each containing 20-24 doses of ALA. Do not count interrupted rounds (less than 20 doses). > (always take as many days off as I had on) I am concerned about an > inconsistency that I have seen in some of Andy's posts. > It is not inconsistent- -you are perceiving two situations described very differently as being the same. See below. > > There have been times when a parent saw progress and then the progress > seemed to stop and his advice was to continue chelating with frequent > dose ala. > If there HAS BEEN progress and it stops, yes, you continue. > > But on the other hand I have read him as saying that if you don't have > some success in about 16 cycles, you need to move on and try something > else. > If chelation has NO EFFECT whatsoever, no symptom changes, no progress at all, THEN you assume it's not heavy metals and move on to try to find out what it is. > I'm not being negative or critical, I'm just worried that I will never > get better. > Worrying doesn't help. Keep chelating. Good things happen slowly. > I can definitely tell that something is happening while on the ALA but > I'm worried that maybe I'm too bad for this to work on. > If you can tell " something is happening " either because of improvement or worsening of symptoms, you have just described what Andy calls " some success " and therefore signed yourself up for the 1-5 years of frequent does chelation it can take to recover. > I have ordered DMSA and I will be adding that to the protocol and I > have also ordered Kelatox. I know that Andy isn't a fan of EDTA for > mercury, > It's not a matter of " being a fan " ! It's empirical knowledge. Look at ANY modern medical textbook that includes chelation. They unequivocally state that EDTA is not for mercury. > but > nevertheless there are alot of great user reports on EDTA > suppositories even on this list. > There are also reports that banging your head against a wall will relieve a headache. Don't. Not for mercury. Do NOT take EDTA and expect to get better. You will get worse, and postpone the benefits of DMSA/ALA. If you DO chose to use EDTA, you MUST frequent-dose every 8 hours on a 3-day on schedule as well, or you will get redistribution. Kelatox is 900 mg of EDTA in one " pop " . This is drastically excessive! I would STRONGLY recommend staying on ALA only. > If you have been healed of mercury poisoning, please contact me at > george_mustard <mailto:george_ mustard%40. com> This > list is so busy that its nearly impossible to keep up or even search > even with the onibasu website. Thanks very much for encouragement or > advice. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2010 Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 That's the high end of the guideline of 1/8 - 1/2 mg per pound of body weight. Are you taking lots of antioxidants? There are also supporting supplements that can make you more comfortable. I would lower the dose, say to 50mg, and make sure you are taking all the supporting supps. and see how that feels. TJ ________________________________ From: gEOrGe mUStArD <george_mustard@...> Sent: Tue, February 9, 2010 3:04:22 PM Subject: Re: [ ] Concerned about ALA  I am slightly over 200 pounds and taking 100 mg every 3 hours. I'm at least sure that I'm on the right track that I have mercury because ala shouldn't give me herxheimer reactions unless I have mercury. > > > I recently found that I had mercury poisoning and I've been chelating > with ALA by itself. So far in several chelation cycles, I have had > about 20 " on " days total. > This is NOT 20 rounds, or " cycles " . A round is a complete 3-day cycle, each containing 20-24 doses of ALA. Do not count interrupted rounds (less than 20 doses). > (always take as many days off as I had on) I am concerned about an > inconsistency that I have seen in some of Andy's posts. > It is not inconsistent- -you are perceiving two situations described very differently as being the same. See below. > > There have been times when a parent saw progress and then the progress > seemed to stop and his advice was to continue chelating with frequent > dose ala. > If there HAS BEEN progress and it stops, yes, you continue. > > But on the other hand I have read him as saying that if you don't have > some success in about 16 cycles, you need to move on and try something > else. > If chelation has NO EFFECT whatsoever, no symptom changes, no progress at all, THEN you assume it's not heavy metals and move on to try to find out what it is. > I'm not being negative or critical, I'm just worried that I will never > get better. > Worrying doesn't help. Keep chelating. Good things happen slowly. > I can definitely tell that something is happening while on the ALA but > I'm worried that maybe I'm too bad for this to work on. > If you can tell " something is happening " either because of improvement or worsening of symptoms, you have just described what Andy calls " some success " and therefore signed yourself up for the 1-5 years of frequent does chelation it can take to recover. > I have ordered DMSA and I will be adding that to the protocol and I > have also ordered Kelatox. I know that Andy isn't a fan of EDTA for > mercury, > It's not a matter of " being a fan " ! It's empirical knowledge. Look at ANY modern medical textbook that includes chelation. They unequivocally state that EDTA is not for mercury. > but > nevertheless there are alot of great user reports on EDTA > suppositories even on this list. > There are also reports that banging your head against a wall will relieve a headache. Don't. Not for mercury. Do NOT take EDTA and expect to get better. You will get worse, and postpone the benefits of DMSA/ALA. If you DO chose to use EDTA, you MUST frequent-dose every 8 hours on a 3-day on schedule as well, or you will get redistribution. Kelatox is 900 mg of EDTA in one " pop " . This is drastically excessive! I would STRONGLY recommend staying on ALA only. > If you have been healed of mercury poisoning, please contact me at > george_mustard <mailto:george_ mustard%40. com> This > list is so busy that its nearly impossible to keep up or even search > even with the onibasu website. Thanks very much for encouragement or > advice. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2010 Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 Thanks I actually feel like I can handle the dose. I'm taking zinc, taurine, selenium, molybdenum, magnesium, and vitamin b complex. > > > I recently found that I had mercury poisoning and I've been chelating > with ALA by itself. So far in several chelation cycles, I have had > about 20 " on " days total. > This is NOT 20 rounds, or " cycles " . A round is a complete 3-day cycle, each containing 20-24 doses of ALA. Do not count interrupted rounds (less than 20 doses). > (always take as many days off as I had on) I am concerned about an > inconsistency that I have seen in some of Andy's posts. > It is not inconsistent- -you are perceiving two situations described very differently as being the same. See below. > > There have been times when a parent saw progress and then the progress > seemed to stop and his advice was to continue chelating with frequent > dose ala. > If there HAS BEEN progress and it stops, yes, you continue. > > But on the other hand I have read him as saying that if you don't have > some success in about 16 cycles, you need to move on and try something > else. > If chelation has NO EFFECT whatsoever, no symptom changes, no progress at all, THEN you assume it's not heavy metals and move on to try to find out what it is. > I'm not being negative or critical, I'm just worried that I will never > get better. > Worrying doesn't help. Keep chelating. Good things happen slowly. > I can definitely tell that something is happening while on the ALA but > I'm worried that maybe I'm too bad for this to work on. > If you can tell " something is happening " either because of improvement or worsening of symptoms, you have just described what Andy calls " some success " and therefore signed yourself up for the 1-5 years of frequent does chelation it can take to recover. > I have ordered DMSA and I will be adding that to the protocol and I > have also ordered Kelatox. I know that Andy isn't a fan of EDTA for > mercury, > It's not a matter of " being a fan " ! It's empirical knowledge. Look at ANY modern medical textbook that includes chelation. They unequivocally state that EDTA is not for mercury. > but > nevertheless there are alot of great user reports on EDTA > suppositories even on this list. > There are also reports that banging your head against a wall will relieve a headache. Don't. Not for mercury. Do NOT take EDTA and expect to get better. You will get worse, and postpone the benefits of DMSA/ALA. If you DO chose to use EDTA, you MUST frequent-dose every 8 hours on a 3-day on schedule as well, or you will get redistribution. Kelatox is 900 mg of EDTA in one " pop " . This is drastically excessive! I would STRONGLY recommend staying on ALA only. > If you have been healed of mercury poisoning, please contact me at > george_mustard <mailto:george_ mustard%40. com> This > list is so busy that its nearly impossible to keep up or even search > even with the onibasu website. Thanks very much for encouragement or > advice. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2010 Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 Did your mother have any mercury amalgam dental fillings? Mercury passes the placenta, via breast milk, and passes the blood brain " barrier " . Were you or your mother vaccinated? Have you lived down-wind from a coal-fired power plant? Did you have mercurochrome put on scraped knees, etc when you were younger? Did/do you eat tuna, other fish, seafood? Check www.danasview.net/metals for other sources of exposure. S S Re: Concerned about ALA Posted by: " gEOrGe mUStArD " george_mustard@... george_mustard Tue Feb 9, 2010 2:40 pm (PST) Thanks for the reply, no I'm all alone in this. When I take the ala it hurts way down in my bones. I have no idea where I got the mercury because I've never had a cavity in my life. ------------------------------------------------------------ Put your loved ones in good hands with quality senior assisted living. Click now! Senior Assisted Living http://tagline.excite.com/c?cp=NQ8fAwB_OV3RBOcdYASVRwAAKZRr_2tbQBaG-3loGUsiTeHAA\ AYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASUb47liI= Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2010 Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 Were you diagnosed (or did you experience symtoms) as a child or adult? Mercury is bio-acummulative so it all adds up. S S Re: Concerned about ALA Posted by: " gEOrGe mUStArD " george_mustard@... george_mustard Tue Feb 9, 2010 3:00 pm (PST) I had plenty of them when I was a kid. I'm 45 now. Unless there is mercury in epoxy. I have worked alot with epoxy. From: diamond12345@... <diamond12345@...> Subject: Re: [ ] Concerned about ALA Date: Tuesday, February 9, 2010, 2:49 PM how about a vaccine? ------------------------------------------------------------ Put your loved ones in good hands with quality senior assisted living. Click now! Senior Assisted Living http://tagline.excite.com/c?cp=w786xFsBUhp6tuggj6BXlQAAKZRr_2tbQBaG-3loGUsiTeHAA\ AYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASUb47liI= Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2010 Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 That's a maximum dose, many of us need a lower dose or to slowly work up to the max. S S Re: Concerned about ALA Posted by: " gEOrGe mUStArD " george_mustard@... george_mustard Tue Feb 9, 2010 3:04 pm (PST) I am slightly over 200 pounds and taking 100 mg every 3 hours. I'm at least sure that I'm on the right track that I have mercury because ala shouldn't give me herxheimer reactions unless I have mercury. ------------------------------------------------------------ Improve your career health. Click now to study nutrition! Nutrition http://tagline.excite.com/c?cp=SlBuewWNREgAymX5P6q4sAAAKZRr_2tbQBaG-3loGUsiTeHAA\ AYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASQ747liI= Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2010 Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 yes to all that stuff except the coal fired plant part. I have it. I guess thats all I need to know. Lots of other people have been exposed to alot worse things than me and never got sick. Just doesn't make sense. From: Shepard Salzer <_Shepard@...> Subject: [ ] Re: Concerned about ALA autism treatment Date: Tuesday, February 9, 2010, 4:10 PM Did your mother have any mercury amalgam dental fillings? Mercury passes the placenta, via breast milk, and passes the blood brain " barrier " . Were you or your mother vaccinated? Have you lived down-wind from a coal-fired power plant? Did you have mercurochrome put on scraped knees, etc when you were younger? Did/do you eat tuna, other fish, seafood? Check www.danasview.net/metals for other sources of exposure. S S Re: Concerned about ALA Posted by: " gEOrGe mUStArD " george_mustard@... george_mustard Tue Feb 9, 2010 2:40 pm (PST) Thanks for the reply, no I'm all alone in this. When I take the ala it hurts way down in my bones. I have no idea where I got the mercury because I've never had a cavity in my life. ------------------------------------------------------------ Put your loved ones in good hands with quality senior assisted living. Click now! Senior Assisted Living http://tagline.excite.com/c?cp=NQ8fAwB_OV3RBOcdYASVRwAAKZRr_2tbQBaG-3loGUsiTeHAA\ AYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASUb47liI= Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2010 Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 I have diagnosed myself. I have every symptom plus the reactions when I take ala. From: diamond12345@... <diamond12345@...> Subject: Re: [ ] Concerned about ALA Date: Tuesday, February 9, 2010, 2:49 PM how about a vaccine? ------------------------------------------------------------ Put your loved ones in good hands with quality senior assisted living. Click now! Senior Assisted Living http://tagline.excite.com/c?cp=w786xFsBUhp6tuggj6BXlQAAKZRr_2tbQBaG-3loGUsiTeHAA\ AYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASUb47liI= Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2010 Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 , It doesn't make sense that you or any of our kids is sick....I am sorry that you are going through this...I know only that due to genetic reasons our bodies can't cope with more than it does, when that happens, sickness breaks in, some people develop cancer, others degenerative sicknesses that have little or no hope to be cured. You are in my prayers as of now and l hope you will find the way for your body to heal, keep going, you are on the right track, remember after the storm, peace shall come. You are very brave for taking this in your own hands, investigating and doing all necessary sacrifice to heal, lots of adults are under the same circumstances and don't have a clue how to start healing or settle for the usual: " learn to live with it " ... You are on the right group of knowledgeable and supportive people, you will get better with time and persistance. God bless you, we all know what it is like to have a beloved one affected by this sickness, and we are with you. I am a newbie here trying to learn and bring back my little one, people like you who can talk and express the discomfort experienced by the body clearing from all this toxins is very helpful for parents of non-verbal kids, so thank you for sharing how you feel. My best wishes and blessings in your healing journey, Isa Enviado desde mi oficina móvil BlackBerry® de Telcel [ ] Re: Concerned about ALA autism treatment Date: Tuesday, February 9, 2010, 4:10 PM Did your mother have any mercury amalgam dental fillings? Mercury passes the placenta, via breast milk, and passes the blood brain " barrier " . Were you or your mother vaccinated? Have you lived down-wind from a coal-fired power plant? Did you have mercurochrome put on scraped knees, etc when you were younger? Did/do you eat tuna, other fish, seafood? Check www.danasview.net/metals for other sources of exposure. S S Re: Concerned about ALA Posted by: " gEOrGe mUStArD " george_mustard@... george_mustard Tue Feb 9, 2010 2:40 pm (PST) Thanks for the reply, no I'm all alone in this. When I take the ala it hurts way down in my bones. I have no idea where I got the mercury because I've never had a cavity in my life. ------------------------------------------------------------ Put your loved ones in good hands with quality senior assisted living. Click now! Senior Assisted Living http://tagline.excite.com/c?cp=NQ8fAwB_OV3RBOcdYASVRwAAKZRr_2tbQBaG-3loGUsiTeHAA\ AYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASUb47liI= Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2010 Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 Thank you so much for your prayers. They are very much appreciated. Like all of the rest of us, I will just keep pushing forward. I'll be praying for you and your child also. From: Shepard Salzer <_Shepard@...> Subject: [ ] Re: Concerned about ALA autism treatment Date: Tuesday, February 9, 2010, 4:10 PM Did your mother have any mercury amalgam dental fillings? Mercury passes the placenta, via breast milk, and passes the blood brain " barrier " . Were you or your mother vaccinated? Have you lived down-wind from a coal-fired power plant? Did you have mercurochrome put on scraped knees, etc when you were younger? Did/do you eat tuna, other fish, seafood? Check www.danasview.net/metals for other sources of exposure. S S Re: Concerned about ALA Posted by: " gEOrGe mUStArD " george_mustard@... george_mustard Tue Feb 9, 2010 2:40 pm (PST) Thanks for the reply, no I'm all alone in this. When I take the ala it hurts way down in my bones. I have no idea where I got the mercury because I've never had a cavity in my life. ------------------------------------------------------------ Put your loved ones in good hands with quality senior assisted living. Click now! Senior Assisted Living http://tagline.excite.com/c?cp=NQ8fAwB_OV3RBOcdYASVRwAAKZRr_2tbQBaG-3loGUsiTeHAA\ AYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASUb47liI= Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2010 Report Share Posted February 10, 2010 I self-diagnosed with the mercury poisoning, too. In this case I wasn't clear, but meant to ask about the timing of your autism dx. S S Re: Concerned about ALA Posted by: " gEOrGe mUStArD " george_mustard@... george_mustard Tue Feb 9, 2010 5:10 pm (PST) I have diagnosed myself. I have every symptom plus the reactions when I take ala. ------------------------------------------------------------ Best Weight Loss Program - Click Here! Weight Loss Program http://tagline.excite.com/c?cp=s-suhCEcKYPDi1m2gtrMdAAAKZRr_2tbQBaG-3loGUsiTeHAA\ AYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAEUr47liI= Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2010 Report Share Posted February 10, 2010 You should add Vit C and E. Antioxidants are the VERY most important supps to take when chelating. Chelation causes oxidative stress. Do not chelate without taking antioxidants. TJ ________________________________ From: gEOrGe mUStArD <george_mustard@...> Sent: Tue, February 9, 2010 3:58:21 PM Subject: Re: [ ] Concerned about ALA  Thanks I actually feel like I can handle the dose. I'm taking zinc, taurine, selenium, molybdenum, magnesium, and vitamin b complex. > > > I recently found that I had mercury poisoning and I've been chelating > with ALA by itself. So far in several chelation cycles, I have had > about 20 " on " days total. > This is NOT 20 rounds, or " cycles " . A round is a complete 3-day cycle, each containing 20-24 doses of ALA. Do not count interrupted rounds (less than 20 doses). > (always take as many days off as I had on) I am concerned about an > inconsistency that I have seen in some of Andy's posts. > It is not inconsistent- -you are perceiving two situations described very differently as being the same. See below. > > There have been times when a parent saw progress and then the progress > seemed to stop and his advice was to continue chelating with frequent > dose ala. > If there HAS BEEN progress and it stops, yes, you continue. > > But on the other hand I have read him as saying that if you don't have > some success in about 16 cycles, you need to move on and try something > else. > If chelation has NO EFFECT whatsoever, no symptom changes, no progress at all, THEN you assume it's not heavy metals and move on to try to find out what it is. > I'm not being negative or critical, I'm just worried that I will never > get better. > Worrying doesn't help. Keep chelating. Good things happen slowly. > I can definitely tell that something is happening while on the ALA but > I'm worried that maybe I'm too bad for this to work on. > If you can tell " something is happening " either because of improvement or worsening of symptoms, you have just described what Andy calls " some success " and therefore signed yourself up for the 1-5 years of frequent does chelation it can take to recover. > I have ordered DMSA and I will be adding that to the protocol and I > have also ordered Kelatox. I know that Andy isn't a fan of EDTA for > mercury, > It's not a matter of " being a fan " ! It's empirical knowledge. Look at ANY modern medical textbook that includes chelation. They unequivocally state that EDTA is not for mercury. > but > nevertheless there are alot of great user reports on EDTA > suppositories even on this list. > There are also reports that banging your head against a wall will relieve a headache. Don't. Not for mercury. Do NOT take EDTA and expect to get better. You will get worse, and postpone the benefits of DMSA/ALA. If you DO chose to use EDTA, you MUST frequent-dose every 8 hours on a 3-day on schedule as well, or you will get redistribution. Kelatox is 900 mg of EDTA in one " pop " . This is drastically excessive! I would STRONGLY recommend staying on ALA only. > If you have been healed of mercury poisoning, please contact me at > george_mustard <mailto:george_ mustard%40. com> This > list is so busy that its nearly impossible to keep up or even search > even with the onibasu website. Thanks very much for encouragement or > advice. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2010 Report Share Posted February 10, 2010 Thank you very much. Any recommendation on the dose? Thank you > > > I recently found that I had mercury poisoning and I've been chelating > with ALA by itself. So far in several chelation cycles, I have had > about 20 " on " days total. > This is NOT 20 rounds, or " cycles " . A round is a complete 3-day cycle, each containing 20-24 doses of ALA. Do not count interrupted rounds (less than 20 doses). > (always take as many days off as I had on) I am concerned about an > inconsistency that I have seen in some of Andy's posts. > It is not inconsistent- -you are perceiving two situations described very differently as being the same. See below. > > There have been times when a parent saw progress and then the progress > seemed to stop and his advice was to continue chelating with frequent > dose ala. > If there HAS BEEN progress and it stops, yes, you continue. > > But on the other hand I have read him as saying that if you don't have > some success in about 16 cycles, you need to move on and try something > else. > If chelation has NO EFFECT whatsoever, no symptom changes, no progress at all, THEN you assume it's not heavy metals and move on to try to find out what it is. > I'm not being negative or critical, I'm just worried that I will never > get better. > Worrying doesn't help. Keep chelating. Good things happen slowly. > I can definitely tell that something is happening while on the ALA but > I'm worried that maybe I'm too bad for this to work on. > If you can tell " something is happening " either because of improvement or worsening of symptoms, you have just described what Andy calls " some success " and therefore signed yourself up for the 1-5 years of frequent does chelation it can take to recover. > I have ordered DMSA and I will be adding that to the protocol and I > have also ordered Kelatox. I know that Andy isn't a fan of EDTA for > mercury, > It's not a matter of " being a fan " ! It's empirical knowledge. Look at ANY modern medical textbook that includes chelation. They unequivocally state that EDTA is not for mercury. > but > nevertheless there are alot of great user reports on EDTA > suppositories even on this list. > There are also reports that banging your head against a wall will relieve a headache. Don't. Not for mercury. Do NOT take EDTA and expect to get better. You will get worse, and postpone the benefits of DMSA/ALA. If you DO chose to use EDTA, you MUST frequent-dose every 8 hours on a 3-day on schedule as well, or you will get redistribution. Kelatox is 900 mg of EDTA in one " pop " . This is drastically excessive! I would STRONGLY recommend staying on ALA only. > If you have been healed of mercury poisoning, please contact me at > george_mustard <mailto:george_ mustard%40. com> This > list is so busy that its nearly impossible to keep up or even search > even with the onibasu website. Thanks very much for encouragement or > advice. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2010 Report Share Posted February 10, 2010 From Jan...  When my older kid reached 80 pounds we just gave half an adult dose. Under 50 pounds...a quarter of an adult dose. Over 100..an adult dose. I would just begin low and slow....with anything I gave. Supplements for Chelation by weight: Calcium: 5-20 mg/pound divided into four doses over the day Essential Fatty Acid (fish oil or flax, see notes above) 1 to 3 tbsp/day Magnesium: 10 mg/pound divided into four doses over the day Milk Thistle: ¼-1 cap (20-80 mg) per dose/ 4 times a day Molybdenum: 5-20 mcg/pound divided into four doses over the day Selenium: 1-2 mcg/pound/divided into four doses over the day Vitamin A: 5 RDA's/day. Be sure to consider if your EFA is a source Vitamin B: 12.5-25 mg/4 times a day Vitamin C: 5 to 20 mg/pound per dose/4 times a day Vitamin E: 500 IU/day Zinc: 1 mg per 2 lbs + 20 mgs divided into four doses over the day. ________________________________ From: gEOrGe mUStArD <george_mustard@...> Sent: Wed, February 10, 2010 12:56:35 PM Subject: Re: [ ] Concerned about ALA  Thank you very much. Any recommendation on the dose? Thank you > > > I recently found that I had mercury poisoning and I've been chelating > with ALA by itself. So far in several chelation cycles, I have had > about 20 " on " days total. > This is NOT 20 rounds, or " cycles " . A round is a complete 3-day cycle, each containing 20-24 doses of ALA. Do not count interrupted rounds (less than 20 doses). > (always take as many days off as I had on) I am concerned about an > inconsistency that I have seen in some of Andy's posts. > It is not inconsistent- -you are perceiving two situations described very differently as being the same. See below. > > There have been times when a parent saw progress and then the progress > seemed to stop and his advice was to continue chelating with frequent > dose ala. > If there HAS BEEN progress and it stops, yes, you continue. > > But on the other hand I have read him as saying that if you don't have > some success in about 16 cycles, you need to move on and try something > else. > If chelation has NO EFFECT whatsoever, no symptom changes, no progress at all, THEN you assume it's not heavy metals and move on to try to find out what it is. > I'm not being negative or critical, I'm just worried that I will never > get better. > Worrying doesn't help. Keep chelating. Good things happen slowly. > I can definitely tell that something is happening while on the ALA but > I'm worried that maybe I'm too bad for this to work on. > If you can tell " something is happening " either because of improvement or worsening of symptoms, you have just described what Andy calls " some success " and therefore signed yourself up for the 1-5 years of frequent does chelation it can take to recover. > I have ordered DMSA and I will be adding that to the protocol and I > have also ordered Kelatox. I know that Andy isn't a fan of EDTA for > mercury, > It's not a matter of " being a fan " ! It's empirical knowledge. Look at ANY modern medical textbook that includes chelation. They unequivocally state that EDTA is not for mercury. > but > nevertheless there are alot of great user reports on EDTA > suppositories even on this list. > There are also reports that banging your head against a wall will relieve a headache. Don't. Not for mercury. Do NOT take EDTA and expect to get better. You will get worse, and postpone the benefits of DMSA/ALA. If you DO chose to use EDTA, you MUST frequent-dose every 8 hours on a 3-day on schedule as well, or you will get redistribution. Kelatox is 900 mg of EDTA in one " pop " . This is drastically excessive! I would STRONGLY recommend staying on ALA only. > If you have been healed of mercury poisoning, please contact me at > george_mustard <mailto:george_ mustard%40. com> This > list is so busy that its nearly impossible to keep up or even search > even with the onibasu website. Thanks very much for encouragement or > advice. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2010 Report Share Posted February 10, 2010 Some of us are the " canaries in the coal mine " ...genetic factors can make us more susceptible/ more seriously affected. S S Re: Concerned about ALA Posted by: " gEOrGe mUStArD " george_mustard@... george_mustard Tue Feb 9, 2010 5:08 pm (PST) yes to all that stuff except the coal fired plant part. I have it. I guess thats all I need to know. Lots of other people have been exposed to alot worse things than me and never got sick. Just doesn't make sense. ------------------------------------------------------------ Want to work all of your life? Click here for investment information and start saving today. Investing http://tagline.excite.com/c?cp=Og_XCthqMgAsyU447XjvAAAAKZRr_2tbQBaG-3loGUsiTeHAA\ AYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADZr47liI= Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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