Glutathione Patch Question-A good or bad idea?

[Guest guest]

What are your thoughts on using the Glutathione Paches while on AC protocol?

I'm just looking for more for Mickie. This weekend I stopped the round at 24

hours, when became ill and I knew he would miss a dose. He started out the week

on a really bad note. I usually don't stop the round even if a miss a dose or

administer it late, but I read how important it is to stop if you miss one, so

this time I stopped.

This morning I woke up to Mickie banging his head on the floor. I got up and

game him some apple sauce to disguise the Mylanta and something for pain, then

he seemed okay.

A friend recently shared that she was using them for Fybromalgia. She is mercury

poisoned, by what she says, because she used to work in the dentist office

molding almagans with her hands. She is not chelating.

Please let me know what you think about these patches and what does Andy think.

Zurama

Mickie 13yrs

Round #37

15mg DMSA 15mg ALA

[Guest guest]

I only know that Andy says NOT to use glutathione on mercury toxic people. I

don't recall why, but I searched onibasu and found these statements about

glutathione and mercury toxic people.

" Some get horribly, permanently worse, and can't be recovered with proper

chelation. There is also no clear benefit. The cost is MUCH too large

considering unknown benefit.

Glutathione is ONE of many chemicals used in detoxification pathways. The

proponents talk as if it will magically remove heavy metals. It won't. Itonly

has one SH (thiol) group, so behaves like other sulfur foods making metal toxic

people sicker.

It makes much more sense to give antioxidants to help to preserve the

glutathione that is there (glutathione acts and an antioxidant) and to supply

the precursors so that the body can make the amount of glutathione that it

needs.

There is no way of knowing who can cope with glutathione without the permanent

regressions.

More importantly - chelate to resolve the actual problem. "

Just thought I would share...

>

> What are your thoughts on using the Glutathione Paches while on AC protocol?

>

> I'm just looking for more for Mickie. This weekend I stopped the round at 24

hours, when became ill and I knew he would miss a dose. He started out the week

on a really bad note. I usually don't stop the round even if a miss a dose or

administer it late, but I read how important it is to stop if you miss one, so

this time I stopped.

>

> This morning I woke up to Mickie banging his head on the floor. I got up and

game him some apple sauce to disguise the Mylanta and something for pain, then

he seemed okay.

>

> A friend recently shared that she was using them for Fybromalgia. She is

mercury poisoned, by what she says, because she used to work in the dentist

office molding almagans with her hands. She is not chelating.

>

> Please let me know what you think about these patches and what does Andy

think.

>

> Zurama

> Mickie 13yrs

> Round #37

> 15mg DMSA 15mg ALA

>

[Guest guest]

Glutathione can and does bind with mercury resulting in its excretion. Since

glutathione only has one SH (thiol) group, it takes two glutathione molecules to

bind with one mercury.

From Molecular Biology and Toxicology of Metals by Rudolfs Zalups:

" In a situation where there are twice as many molecules of glutathione to

inorganic mercuric ions, there will be a tendency for each inorganic mercuric

ion to be bonded to the sulfur atoms of two molecules of glutathione in a linear

II coordinate covalent complex. "

However, giving transdermal glutathione is not likely to result in much mercury

detoxification as each cell must make its own from its precursors.

>

> I only know that Andy says NOT to use glutathione on mercury toxic people. I

don't recall why, but I searched onibasu and found these statements about

glutathione and mercury toxic people.

>

> " Some get horribly, permanently worse, and can't be recovered with proper

chelation. There is also no clear benefit. The cost is MUCH too large

considering unknown benefit.

>

> Glutathione is ONE of many chemicals used in detoxification pathways. The

proponents talk as if it will magically remove heavy metals. It won't. It only

has one SH (thiol) group, so behaves like other sulfur foods making metal toxic

people sicker.

>

> It makes much more sense to give antioxidants to help to preserve the

glutathione that is there (glutathione acts and an antioxidant) and to supply

the precursors so that the body can make the amount of glutathione that it

needs.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Glutathione can and does bind with mercury resulting in its excretion. Since

glutathione only has one SH (thiol) group, it takes two glutathione molecules to

bind with one mercury.

From Molecular Biology and Toxicology of Metals by Rudolfs Zalups:

" In a situation where there are twice as many molecules of glutathione to

inorganic mercuric ions, there will be a tendency for each inorganic mercuric

ion to be bonded to the sulfur atoms of two molecules of glutathione in a linear

II coordinate covalent complex. "

However, giving transdermal glutathione is not likely to result in much mercury

detoxification as each cell must make its own from its precursors.

>

> I only know that Andy says NOT to use glutathione on mercury toxic people. I

don't recall why, but I searched onibasu and found these statements about

glutathione and mercury toxic people.

>

> " Some get horribly, permanently worse, and can't be recovered with proper

chelation. There is also no clear benefit. The cost is MUCH too large

considering unknown benefit.

>

> Glutathione is ONE of many chemicals used in detoxification pathways. The

proponents talk as if it will magically remove heavy metals. It won't. It only

has one SH (thiol) group, so behaves like other sulfur foods making metal toxic

people sicker.

>

> It makes much more sense to give antioxidants to help to preserve the

glutathione that is there (glutathione acts and an antioxidant) and to supply

the precursors so that the body can make the amount of glutathione that it

needs.

>

>

[Guest guest]

So how do you know if your sulfation process is working? How do you know if you

need a sulphur donor instead of a methyl donor?

Deb

> > > >

> > > > I only know that Andy says NOT to use glutathione

> > on mercury toxic

> > > people. I don't recall why, but I searched onibasu and

> > found these

> > > statements about glutathione and mercury toxic

> > people.

> > > >

> > > > " Some get horribly, permanently worse, and can't

> > be recovered with proper

> > > chelation. There is also no clear benefit. The cost is

> > MUCH too large

> > > considering unknown benefit.

> > > >

> > > > Glutathione is ONE of many chemicals used in

> > detoxification pathways. The

> > > proponents talk as if it will magically remove heavy

> > metals. It won't. It

> > > only has one SH (thiol) group, so behaves like other

> > sulfur foods making

> > > metal toxic people sicker.

> > >

> > > >

> > > > It makes much more sense to give antioxidants to

> > help to preserve the

> > > glutathione that is there (glutathione acts and an

> > antioxidant) and to

> > > supply the precursors so that the body can make the

> > amount of glutathione

> > > that it needs.

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > 

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> > --

> > Zurama

> > Mickie 13yrs

> > Round #36

> > 15mg DMSA 15mg ALA

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

>

> What are your thoughts on using the Glutathione Paches while on AC protocol?

>

Bad idea

> I'm just looking for more for Mickie. This weekend I stopped the round at 24

hours, when became ill and I knew he would miss a dose. He started out the week

on a really bad note. I usually don't stop the round even if a miss a dose or

administer it late, but I read how important it is to stop if you miss one, so

this time I stopped.

>

Yes, definitely stop if you miss a dose.

> This morning I woke up to Mickie banging his head on the floor. I got up and

game him some apple sauce to disguise the Mylanta and something for pain, then

he seemed okay.

>

> A friend recently shared that she was using them for Fybromalgia. She is

mercury poisoned, by what she says, because she used to work in the dentist

office molding almagans with her hands. She is not chelating.

>

> Please let me know what you think about these patches and what does Andy

think.

>

Glutathione is not a good idea in general. In the case where you HAD to raise

glutathione levels I believe NAC is used, not glutathione. It certainly isn't

part of the AC protocol and makes a lot of people worse.

> Zurama

> Mickie 13yrs

> Round #37

> 15mg DMSA 15mg ALA

>

[Guest guest]

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Is this a PowerPoint presentation? I think I found it, but now I am so confused!

My son has been using transdermal B12 with some gains- more lovey dovey toward

me and his baby sister, more socially appropriate with other kids, understanding

cause-and-effect in his behaviors, less impulsive, more alert upon greeting

others, just more socially normal, but he is really emotional, having at least

one small meltdown at school a day. He cries over little things. He has a

similar reaction to B6 (pyrodoxine AND P5P which causes even more intense

reactions), but I do not give him the B6 because he will cry within an hour of

taking it for a long time until I get him in an Epsom salt bath. Does anyone

know if B6 is a methyl-donor? With the B12 the crying just comes out of the

blue.... it doesn't last long but it is obvious he is having a reaction, making

a mountain out of a mole hill. He does respond well to methionine (another

methyl-donor) and to Epsom salt baths (sulfur-donor).... I'm just not sure if I

found the right report, and if I did how this applies to my son as far as the

methyl vs. sulfur donors go. He is not on methionine anymore because I wanted to

cut back and do one thing at a time, seeing how this new transdermal B12 would

work. He gets it daily, so maybe it's too much? Or maybe it's one of those

" tolerable side effects " that Dr. Neubrander talks about, and maybe it will

dissipate in the next few months? I am so confused. Anyone else have experiences

with B12 like this?

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> > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > I only know that Andy says

> > NOT to use glutathione

> > > >

> > > > > > on mercury toxic

> > > >

> > > > > > > people. I don't recall why, but I

> > searched onibasu and

> > > >

> > > > > > found these

> > > >

> > > > > > > statements about glutathione and

> > mercury toxic

> > > >

> > > > > > people.

> > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > " Some get horribly,

> > permanently worse, and can't

> > > >

> > > > > > be recovered with proper

> > > >

> > > > > > > chelation. There is also no clear

> > benefit. The cost is

> > > >

> > > > > > MUCH too large

> > > >

> > > > > > > considering unknown benefit.

> > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > Glutathione is ONE of many

> > chemicals used in

> > > >

> > > > > > detoxification pathways. The

> > > >

> > > > > > > proponents talk as if it will

> > magically remove heavy

> > > >

> > > > > > metals. It won't. It

> > > >

> > > > > > > only has one SH (thiol) group, so

> > behaves like other

> > > >

> > > > > > sulfur foods making

> > > >

> > > > > > > metal toxic people sicker.

> > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > It makes much more sense to

> > give antioxidants to

> > > >

> > > > > > help to preserve the

> > > >

> > > > > > > glutathione that is there

> > (glutathione acts and an

> > > >

> > > > > > antioxidant) and to

> > > >

> > > > > > > supply the precursors so that the

> > body can make the

> > > >

> > > > > > amount of glutathione

> > > >

> > > > > > > that it needs.

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> > > > > > Zurama

> > > >

> > > > > > Mickie 13yrs

> > > >

> > > > > > Round #36

> > > >

> > > > > > 15mg DMSA 15mg ALA

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[Guest guest]

Some people do not tolerate B12. Or require a methyl donor like folinic acid to

take it. Have you dug around the Onibasu Wiki for ? Should be info

there.

Any reason for not using sublingual B12? Or just skipping it altogether for now?

Oh Neubrander...that explains it. DAN's don't know everything.

Jan

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I only know that Andy says

> > > NOT to use glutathione

> > > > >

> > > > > > > on mercury toxic

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > people. I don't recall why, but I

> > > searched onibasu and

> > > > >

> > > > > > > found these

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > statements about glutathione and

> > > mercury toxic

> > > > >

> > > > > > > people.

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > " Some get horribly,

> > > permanently worse, and can't

> > > > >

> > > > > > > be recovered with proper

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > chelation. There is also no clear

> > > benefit. The cost is

> > > > >

> > > > > > > MUCH too large

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > considering unknown benefit.

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Glutathione is ONE of many

> > > chemicals used in

> > > > >

> > > > > > > detoxification pathways. The

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > proponents talk as if it will

> > > magically remove heavy

> > > > >

> > > > > > > metals. It won't. It

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > only has one SH (thiol) group, so

> > > behaves like other

> > > > >

> > > > > > > sulfur foods making

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > metal toxic people sicker.

> > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > It makes much more sense to

> > > give antioxidants to

> > > > >

> > > > > > > help to preserve the

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > glutathione that is there

> > > (glutathione acts and an

> > > > >

> > > > > > > antioxidant) and to

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > supply the precursors so that the

> > > body can make the

> > > > >

> > > > > > > amount of glutathione

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > that it needs.

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> > > > > > > Zurama

> > > > >

> > > > > > > Mickie 13yrs

> > > > >

> > > > > > > Round #36

> > > > >

> > > > > > > 15mg DMSA 15mg ALA

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