Re: Brain scans - EEG/ MRI etc - what can we discover?

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Did they do a sleep deprived EEG or a waking one? Do you or " they " suspect

seizures? The EEG apparently showed that the individual didn't have a seizure

during the hour or so it took to do the EEG. Are there reasons to suspect any

brain malformations? An MRI would potentially show those if they exist. I took

a client for a waking EEG today. In her case they want to rule out seizure

activity as a cause for her passing out (there was some reported shaking the

last time she passed out). She will have an MRI next week to see if there are

any brain malformations which might be causing her to pass out.

S S

Brain scans - EEG/ MRI etc - what can we discover?

Posted by: " peter " peter_2_@... bornlivelife2

Fri Apr 23, 2010 11:47 am (PDT)

We have completed an EEG scan (fairly easy to do) and have been told our

daughter has no evidence of seizures, BUT to quote:

" The EEG did however show occasional electrical discharges which were slightly

different from normal and this may or may not be significant.

It's worth mentioning here that EEG tests can show abnormal discharges

occasionally in well people who have no other difficulties so this finding is

not that uncommon. It would however lead us to go on and investigate further

with a MRI brain scan "

Was wondering what can be discovered from EEG and MRI scans ?

Thanks

[Guest guest]

Hey ,

It is my understanding that an MRI will show any organic issues which may cause

seizure such as lesions, head injury, tumor, etc...

An EEG records what is happening during the time the leads are on the head. SO,

if there wasn't an actual seizure during that time or the seizures are deep in

the brain its my understanding that they may not show. Another example which is

the spot we find ourselves in- is that frontal lobe seizures are notoriously

difficult to see on an EEG and may not be seen even though they are occuring.

SO, research what type of issues your daughter is having and that will help

direct you to which part of the brain you would want to focus on. In our case

the issues have to do with executive functioning which is processed in the

frontal lobe- ergo- hard to see on an EEG. There is also the SPECT scan which

shows blood flow to a particular area and may help to show areas of seizure

activity as well.

HTH,

Shanon

>

> We have completed an EEG scan (fairly easy to do) and have been told our

daughter has no evidence of seizures, BUT to quote:

>

> " The EEG did however show occasional electrical discharges which were slightly

different from normal and this may or may not be significant.

> It's worth mentioning here that EEG tests can show abnormal discharges

occasionally in well people who have no other difficulties so this finding is

not that uncommon. It would however lead us to go on and investigate further

with a MRI brain scan "

>

> Was wondering what can be discovered from EEG and MRI scans ?

>

> Thanks

>

>

>

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Sent: Fri, April 23, 2010 6:49:02 PM

Subject: [ ] Re: Brain scans - EEG/ MRI etc - what can we discover?

 

Hi ,

Did they do a sleep deprived EEG or a waking one? Do you or " they " suspect

seizures? The EEG apparently showed that the individual didn't have a seizure

during the hour or so it took to do the EEG. Are there reasons to suspect any

brain malformations? An MRI would potentially show those if they exist. I took a

client for a waking EEG today. In her case they want to rule out seizure

activity as a cause for her passing out (there was some reported shaking the

last time she passed out). She will have an MRI next week to see if there are

any brain malformations which might be causing her to pass out.

S S

Brain scans - EEG/ MRI etc - what can we discover?

Posted by: " peter " peter_2_hotmail (DOT) com bornlivelife2

Fri Apr 23, 2010 11:47 am (PDT)

We have completed an EEG scan (fairly easy to do) and have been told our

daughter has no evidence of seizures, BUT to quote:

" The EEG did however show occasional electrical discharges which were slightly

different from normal and this may or may not be significant.

It's worth mentioning here that EEG tests can show abnormal discharges

occasionally in well people who have no other difficulties so this finding is

not that uncommon. It would however lead us to go on and investigate further

with a MRI brain scan "

Was wondering what can be discovered from EEG and MRI scans ?

Thanks

[Guest guest]

We requested an EEG to see if there were areas of the brain which are deprived

of oxygen or blood

Sophie has never had a seizure or even a tiny absence of any sort

From: webshopping2009@...

Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 02:02:02 +0000

Subject: [ ] Re: Brain scans - EEG/ MRI etc - what can we discover?

Hey ,

It is my understanding that an MRI will show any organic issues which may cause

seizure such as lesions, head injury, tumor, etc...

An EEG records what is happening during the time the leads are on the head. SO,

if there wasn't an actual seizure during that time or the seizures are deep in

the brain its my understanding that they may not show. Another example which is

the spot we find ourselves in- is that frontal lobe seizures are notoriously

difficult to see on an EEG and may not be seen even though they are occuring.

SO, research what type of issues your daughter is having and that will help

direct you to which part of the brain you would want to focus on. In our case

the issues have to do with executive functioning which is processed in the

frontal lobe- ergo- hard to see on an EEG. There is also the SPECT scan which

shows blood flow to a particular area and may help to show areas of seizure

activity as well.

HTH,

Shanon

>

> We have completed an EEG scan (fairly easy to do) and have been told our

daughter has no evidence of seizures, BUT to quote:

>

> " The EEG did however show occasional electrical discharges which were slightly

different from normal and this may or may not be significant.

> It's worth mentioning here that EEG tests can show abnormal discharges

occasionally in well people who have no other difficulties so this finding is

not that uncommon. It would however lead us to go on and investigate further

with a MRI brain scan "

>

> Was wondering what can be discovered from EEG and MRI scans ?

>

> Thanks

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

We did 1 hour awake and 1 hour asleep, they also did eyes open and shut whilst

awake, and blowing exercises

Sophie has never had a seizure or even a 1 second absence of consciousness - we

did the EEG to find out about areas in brani that might have no oxygen, no

blood, or swelling

CC:

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From: _Shepard@...

Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 21:49:02 -0400

Subject: [ ] Re: Brain scans - EEG/ MRI etc - what can we discover?

Hi ,

Did they do a sleep deprived EEG or a waking one? Do you or " they " suspect

seizures? The EEG apparently showed that the individual didn't have a seizure

during the hour or so it took to do the EEG. Are there reasons to suspect any

brain malformations? An MRI would potentially show those if they exist. I took a

client for a waking EEG today. In her case they want to rule out seizure

activity as a cause for her passing out (there was some reported shaking the

last time she passed out). She will have an MRI next week to see if there are

any brain malformations which might be causing her to pass out.

S S

Brain scans - EEG/ MRI etc - what can we discover?

Posted by: " peter " peter_2_@... bornlivelife2

Fri Apr 23, 2010 11:47 am (PDT)

We have completed an EEG scan (fairly easy to do) and have been told our

daughter has no evidence of seizures, BUT to quote:

" The EEG did however show occasional electrical discharges which were slightly

different from normal and this may or may not be significant.

It's worth mentioning here that EEG tests can show abnormal discharges

occasionally in well people who have no other difficulties so this finding is

not that uncommon. It would however lead us to go on and investigate further

with a MRI brain scan "

Was wondering what can be discovered from EEG and MRI scans ?

Thanks

_________________________________________________________________

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[Guest guest]

An MRI would mainly be done to see if there were any structural abnormalities

(bone positions or volume ratios) or fluid or growths that would put pressure on

anything whatsoever.

A qEEG, not an EEG, (QEEG - administered by a qualified practitioner who does

neurofeedback) may give you a better idea of what you want.

One thing to keep in mind is that the emotions of the person can cause chemicals

to enter the bloodstream, aimed for the brain, and remove oxygen and blood from

many areas and concentrate the oxygen to other areas. For example, if a child is

very frustrated and is about to enter a meltdown of any nature, then they may go

into " fight-or-flight " mode during their period of frustration. If they do so,

then the blood and oxygen to the human-thinking part of the brain is extremely

diminished and the child will only have access to the innermost parts of the

brain ... which, interestingly, we share that inner part with horses who are

quite emotional and can buck/run or will fight.

When the child is in fight/flight mode, or tantruming, there is no amount of

verbal logic that will reach them because they are not able to use the

verbal-reasoning part of their brain.

If a child is high-functioning, as you see with Aspergers, then they tend to

focus a lot of their brainwave activity in the frontal cortex and are

hyper-beta. They also tend to have hypercoherence which means they are limited

on the amount of " multi-tasking " that the brain can do. So, the more

subconscious ability to pick up social cues from observing another person is not

able to function/relay appropriately.

If you were to bring your child to an experienced and qualified child

psychologist who administers neurofeedback, they can train the brain to function

more normally in these brainwave patterns. However, if your child has structural

defects per an MRI, that will need to be handled first, more than likely.

My younger child has a Chiari Malformation of the skull, so I have a lot of

experience that I can share with you offline if you end up in that boat. My

older child is the one who keeps me on this group.

I hope this helps you or someone else.

Margaret

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

A SPECT scan will tell you the areas of the brain that are deprived of good

blood flow. We haev done an EEG which showed high delta waves and MRI which

showed nothing, but it was the SPECT scan which showed that he had little blood

flow to the speech area of the brain.

It all gets so confusing

Thanks

Joanna

> >

> > We have completed an EEG scan (fairly easy to do) and have been told our

daughter has no evidence of seizures, BUT to quote:

> >

> > " The EEG did however show occasional electrical discharges which were

slightly different from normal and this may or may not be significant.

> > It's worth mentioning here that EEG tests can show abnormal discharges

occasionally in well people who have no other difficulties so this finding is

not that uncommon. It would however lead us to go on and investigate further

with a MRI brain scan "

> >

> > Was wondering what can be discovered from EEG and MRI scans ?

> >

> > Thanks

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

> _________________________________________________________________

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>

[Guest guest]

In my experience reviewing cases I've found that the EEG is by far the most

likely to be useful.

You have to be sure to get the actual neurologist's report and read it, the

doctors will usually say it is " fine " when it isn't.

Sometimes a lazy doctor will not actually review the strip well and will

basically say it is fine in the report, but another doctor will look at it and

know it is not normal. So get a copy of the EEG itself and show it to other

doc's you see.

You don't find actual seizures often. You DO sometimes find phenomena that

respond to antiepileptic drugs, and if they're not seizures sometimes low doses

with little risk are adequate, and you sometimes find things like diffuse

generalized slowing consistent with toxicity (which of course the parents are

NEVER told) which suggests both that, well, surprise, the kid might be T O X I C

, and also to really scrutinize their thyroid function.

Also if you see stuff on the EEG you can usually do something about it.

MRI's are usually normal. They are also relatively safe.

SPECTS involve injecting substantial amounts of radioactive stuff. I think this

is a big risk. Additionally, Dan Amen's books have a quiz that he claims gives

you the same answer without the radioactivity, SPECT scan or expense. I believe

him. Use the quiz, decide what to do, skip the SPECT scan unless there is a

very clear reason to do it other than " the kid is messed up. "

CT scans are almost never informative in autistic kids. These are for injuries

and strokes.

Hope this helps!

Andy

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[Guest guest]

Does anyone know which of Dr. Amen's book(s) have the quiz?

>

> In my experience reviewing cases I've found that the EEG is by far the most

likely to be useful.

>

> You have to be sure to get the actual neurologist's report and read it, the

doctors will usually say it is " fine " when it isn't.

>

> Sometimes a lazy doctor will not actually review the strip well and will

basically say it is fine in the report, but another doctor will look at it and

know it is not normal. So get a copy of the EEG itself and show it to other

doc's you see.

>

> You don't find actual seizures often. You DO sometimes find phenomena that

respond to antiepileptic drugs, and if they're not seizures sometimes low doses

with little risk are adequate, and you sometimes find things like diffuse

generalized slowing consistent with toxicity (which of course the parents are

NEVER told) which suggests both that, well, surprise, the kid might be T O X I C

, and also to really scrutinize their thyroid function.

>

> Also if you see stuff on the EEG you can usually do something about it.

>

> MRI's are usually normal. They are also relatively safe.

>

> SPECTS involve injecting substantial amounts of radioactive stuff. I think

this is a big risk. Additionally, Dan Amen's books have a quiz that he claims

gives you the same answer without the radioactivity, SPECT scan or expense. I

believe him. Use the quiz, decide what to do, skip the SPECT scan unless there

is a very clear reason to do it other than " the kid is messed up. "

>

> CT scans are almost never informative in autistic kids. These are for injuries

and strokes.

>

> Hope this helps!

>

> Andy

>

> http://www.noamalgam.com/index.html

> Amalgam Illness: Diagnosis and Treatment

>

> http://www.noamalgam.com/hairtestbook.html

> Hair Test Interpretation: Finding Hidden Toxicities

>

> http://www.noamalgam.com/nourishinghope.html

> Nourishing Hope for Autism: Nutrition Intervention for Healing Our Children

>

> http://www.noamalgam.com/biologicaltreatments.html

> Biological Treatments for Autism and PDD

>

[Guest guest]

> >

> > ....SPECTS involve injecting substantial amounts of radioactive stuff. I

think this is a big risk. Additionally, Dan Amen's books have a quiz that he

claims gives you the same answer without the radioactivity, SPECT scan or

expense. I believe him. Use the quiz, decide what to do, skip the SPECT scan

unless there is a very clear reason to do it other than " the kid is messed

up. " ....

> >

Liz, I read several of Dr. Amen's books and had a Spect scan at his clinic in

Va. His book Healing the Hardware of the Soul has checklists. I recommend it as

a good first book to read if there is no clear indication of the problem. For

example, if you know you have Adhd you might just get his book on that subject,

however if you might have some anxiety or depression along with Adhd then the

checklist in Healing the Hardware of the Soul can be helpful.

When I used the checklist I made several photocopies. I gave each to my parents

and the woman I was seriously dating at the time (she insisted that I have the

scan!:-) ). I then combined the scores.

I think the scans can be quite valuable when the docs don't know what the

problem is and have had difficulty finding the right combination of medicine,

supplements and lifestyle changes. However it does not make sense to start with

a scan when there are so many other options that are less expensive and can be

tried first.

The checklists and scans can also be helpful when you are dealing with a

hard-headed male who does not think he has a problem. He might be more open to

treatment when several of his loved ones have filled out the checklist and agree

with each other. Also guys are usually " visual " . When you see that your scan

does not look like a " normal " scan you are more likely to cooperate with the

medical professionals.

When I had the scan done we knew to expect the Adhd. The scan showed the

classic issue in the prefrontal cortex. The low dose of Adderall works quite

nicely along with supplements, etc. It is certainly not perfect but works well

for me.

However when they did the scan they were extremely surprised to see a a very

overactive area on one side of my brain that did not correlate well to my

medical and personality history. They actually scheduled a rescan at no

additional cost because they thought there was a problem with the machine. The

rescan was similar.

The way I understand it is that when they see an overactive area on one side of

the brain but not on the other side they have good results with anticonvulsant /

mood stabilizers such as Trileptal. I don't see any way this type of issue

would become apparent from checklists and 'talk' sessions with a psychiatrist.

The Trileptal had a nice effect on me allowing me be more patient, and less

critical of others and myself. Interestingly a year later I read that large

doses of fish oil sometimes have a similar effect. Over an eight month period I

was able to gradually wean myself off of the Trileptal in favor of the fish oil.

This was done with the knowledge of my doctor. The fish oil is not as powerful

as the Trileptal but it is good enough along with the Adderall.

This is an example of why I think people should start with a more natural

approach if possible. Obviously if a person is suicidal then there is not time

to wait for chelation and supplements to allow the brain to heal. Medicine

knows that the heavy metals damage brain function and foul up the body's

minerals, etc. Supplements can effect mood and many other issues. Why not

start with these?

Video clip of actual brain fibers being destroyed by Hg.

The most important section of it starts at the 2 minute point.

Joe

[Guest guest]

Thanks Joe. I am specifically interested in the epilepsy quiz, I know

is right brained, just want to know more about symptomatic diagnosis of where

the deficits are specifically. Thanks.

> > >

> > > ....SPECTS involve injecting substantial amounts of radioactive stuff. I

think this is a big risk. Additionally, Dan Amen's books have a quiz that he

claims gives you the same answer without the radioactivity, SPECT scan or

expense. I believe him. Use the quiz, decide what to do, skip the SPECT scan

unless there is a very clear reason to do it other than " the kid is messed

up. " ....

> > >

>

> Liz, I read several of Dr. Amen's books and had a Spect scan at his clinic in

Va. His book Healing the Hardware of the Soul has checklists. I recommend it as

a good first book to read if there is no clear indication of the problem. For

example, if you know you have Adhd you might just get his book on that subject,

however if you might have some anxiety or depression along with Adhd then the

checklist in Healing the Hardware of the Soul can be helpful.

>

> When I used the checklist I made several photocopies. I gave each to my

parents and the woman I was seriously dating at the time (she insisted that I

have the scan!:-) ). I then combined the scores.

>

> I think the scans can be quite valuable when the docs don't know what the

problem is and have had difficulty finding the right combination of medicine,

supplements and lifestyle changes. However it does not make sense to start with

a scan when there are so many other options that are less expensive and can be

tried first.

>

> The checklists and scans can also be helpful when you are dealing with a

hard-headed male who does not think he has a problem. He might be more open to

treatment when several of his loved ones have filled out the checklist and agree

with each other. Also guys are usually " visual " . When you see that your scan

does not look like a " normal " scan you are more likely to cooperate with the

medical professionals.

>

> When I had the scan done we knew to expect the Adhd. The scan showed the

classic issue in the prefrontal cortex. The low dose of Adderall works quite

nicely along with supplements, etc. It is certainly not perfect but works well

for me.

>

> However when they did the scan they were extremely surprised to see a a very

overactive area on one side of my brain that did not correlate well to my

medical and personality history. They actually scheduled a rescan at no

additional cost because they thought there was a problem with the machine. The

rescan was similar.

>

> The way I understand it is that when they see an overactive area on one side

of the brain but not on the other side they have good results with

anticonvulsant / mood stabilizers such as Trileptal. I don't see any way this

type of issue would become apparent from checklists and 'talk' sessions with a

psychiatrist.

>

> The Trileptal had a nice effect on me allowing me be more patient, and less

critical of others and myself. Interestingly a year later I read that large

doses of fish oil sometimes have a similar effect. Over an eight month period I

was able to gradually wean myself off of the Trileptal in favor of the fish oil.

This was done with the knowledge of my doctor. The fish oil is not as powerful

as the Trileptal but it is good enough along with the Adderall.

>

> This is an example of why I think people should start with a more natural

approach if possible. Obviously if a person is suicidal then there is not time

to wait for chelation and supplements to allow the brain to heal. Medicine

knows that the heavy metals damage brain function and foul up the body's

minerals, etc. Supplements can effect mood and many other issues. Why not

start with these?

>

> Video clip of actual brain fibers being destroyed by Hg.

> The most important section of it starts at the 2 minute point.

>

>

> Joe

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Thanks Joe. I am specifically interested in the epilepsy quiz, I know

is right brained, just want to know more about symptomatic diagnosis of where

the deficits are specifically. Thanks.

>

I don't recall seeing an epilepsy quiz in any of his early books. I can

understand why you are considering a scan. When I filled out the questionnaire

I was concerned about ADHD. My recollection is that it also covered depression,

OCD, anxiety and maybe something else. It did not address many areas.

[Guest guest]

Joe,

Would you mind sharing what this cost you? I live in NoVA. I have been curious

about the clinic, but it's probably out of budget.

Also, I do have a friend who had a very bad allergic reaction to the die

injected before an MRI, so I am wary of that. She was already in very poor

health, on many very strong medications prior to this, but our kids can be

really fragile when it comes to toxins.

The thing I like about Dr. Amen, is that he looks for what is not " normal " in

the brain before he chooses a drug. It seems like such guesswork if you go to a

psychiatrist for help. But then I don't think autism is a " psychological " issue

at all.

Jen

> > >

> > > ....SPECTS involve injecting substantial amounts of radioactive stuff. I

think this is a big risk. Additionally, Dan Amen's books have a quiz that he

claims gives you the same answer without the radioactivity, SPECT scan or

expense. I believe him. Use the quiz, decide what to do, skip the SPECT scan

unless there is a very clear reason to do it other than " the kid is messed

up. " ....

> > >

>

> Liz, I read several of Dr. Amen's books and had a Spect scan at his clinic in

Va. His book Healing the Hardware of the Soul has checklists. I recommend it as

a good first book to read if there is no clear indication of the problem. For

example, if you know you have Adhd you might just get his book on that subject,

however if you might have some anxiety or depression along with Adhd then the

checklist in Healing the Hardware of the Soul can be helpful.

>

> When I used the checklist I made several photocopies. I gave each to my

parents and the woman I was seriously dating at the time (she insisted that I

have the scan!:-) ). I then combined the scores.

>

> I think the scans can be quite valuable when the docs don't know what the

problem is and have had difficulty finding the right combination of medicine,

supplements and lifestyle changes. However it does not make sense to start with

a scan when there are so many other options that are less expensive and can be

tried first.

>

> The checklists and scans can also be helpful when you are dealing with a

hard-headed male who does not think he has a problem. He might be more open to

treatment when several of his loved ones have filled out the checklist and agree

with each other. Also guys are usually " visual " . When you see that your scan

does not look like a " normal " scan you are more likely to cooperate with the

medical professionals.

>

> When I had the scan done we knew to expect the Adhd. The scan showed the

classic issue in the prefrontal cortex. The low dose of Adderall works quite

nicely along with supplements, etc. It is certainly not perfect but works well

for me.

>

> However when they did the scan they were extremely surprised to see a a very

overactive area on one side of my brain that did not correlate well to my

medical and personality history. They actually scheduled a rescan at no

additional cost because they thought there was a problem with the machine. The

rescan was similar.

>

> The way I understand it is that when they see an overactive area on one side

of the brain but not on the other side they have good results with

anticonvulsant / mood stabilizers such as Trileptal. I don't see any way this

type of issue would become apparent from checklists and 'talk' sessions with a

psychiatrist.

>

> The Trileptal had a nice effect on me allowing me be more patient, and less

critical of others and myself. Interestingly a year later I read that large

doses of fish oil sometimes have a similar effect. Over an eight month period I

was able to gradually wean myself off of the Trileptal in favor of the fish oil.

This was done with the knowledge of my doctor. The fish oil is not as powerful

as the Trileptal but it is good enough along with the Adderall.

>

> This is an example of why I think people should start with a more natural

approach if possible. Obviously if a person is suicidal then there is not time

to wait for chelation and supplements to allow the brain to heal. Medicine

knows that the heavy metals damage brain function and foul up the body's

minerals, etc. Supplements can effect mood and many other issues. Why not

start with these?

>

> Video clip of actual brain fibers being destroyed by Hg.

> The most important section of it starts at the 2 minute point.

>

>

> Joe

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Joe,

> Would you mind sharing what this cost you? I live in NoVA. I have been curious

about the clinic, but it's probably out of budget.

>

> Also, I do have a friend who had a very bad allergic reaction to the die

injected before an MRI, so I am wary of that. She was already in very poor

health, on many very strong medications prior to this, but our kids can be

really fragile when it comes to toxins.

>

> The thing I like about Dr. Amen, is that he looks for what is not " normal " in

the brain before he chooses a drug. It seems like such guesswork if you go to a

psychiatrist for help. But then I don't think autism is a " psychological " issue

at all.

> Jen

Jen, sorry for the delay in responding. It cost me over 3,000 in 2006. It was

helpful for me but I don't have a serious mercury problem according to my hair

test--354. Lead and cadmium are more of a concern.

If you think his symptoms are mercury related and the hair test supports that,

maybe that is the place to start.

Joe

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the answer. I can't afford this, but it does sound interesting.

My son and I are both doing much better with Adderral.

> >

> > Joe,

> > Would you mind sharing what this cost you? I live in NoVA. I have been

curious about the clinic, but it's probably out of budget.

> >

> > Also, I do have a friend who had a very bad allergic reaction to the die

injected before an MRI, so I am wary of that. She was already in very poor

health, on many very strong medications prior to this, but our kids can be

really fragile when it comes to toxins.

> >

> > The thing I like about Dr. Amen, is that he looks for what is not " normal "

in the brain before he chooses a drug. It seems like such guesswork if you go

to a psychiatrist for help. But then I don't think autism is a " psychological "

issue at all.

> > Jen

>

> Jen, sorry for the delay in responding. It cost me over 3,000 in 2006. It

was helpful for me but I don't have a serious mercury problem according to my

hair test--354. Lead and cadmium are more of a concern.

>

> If you think his symptoms are mercury related and the hair test supports that,

maybe that is the place to start.

>

> Joe

>

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> Thanks for the answer. I can't afford this, but it does sound interesting.

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> My son and I are both doing much better with Adderral.

Don't forget the natural methods for supporting dopamine & Norep. They allow me

to take less adderal. If you have issues with toxic elements notice which

essential elements are most affected by the toxins you have and locate them in

the sites below.

For example I have slightly high cadmium. Cutlers HTI book warns about the

impact to iron and tyrosine. These are both required for the body to make

dopamine. The adderal allow more dopamine to be available at the synapse.

http://alternativementalhealth.com/articles/default.htm#A

http://www.antiagingdoctor.co.za/?p=36

A third of this multi amino acid (precursors to several major

neurotransmitters)has a nice calming effect on me.

http://www.vitacost.com/Source-Naturals-Amino-Day-1000-mg-30-Tablets?csrc=PPCADW\

LT-amino_day & mtp=szLTfweMe|pcrid|4455940421

Powdered tyrosine is dirt cheap. Don't overdo it and take it several times per

day. Some say to take several amino acids at the same time. I find that Gaba

has a calming impact. Glutamine is related to it and seems to help with the

brain fog a bit.

Joe