Re: Wondering about supplements. - Enhansa

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Just a warning about Enhansa - it is very high phenol, can indeed be very

helpful but also in some very harmful, or at least harmful/problematic after a

while of positive use in our experience. We used it with our son during the

stall, to work on viral issues. We slowly titrated up and saw some benefits -

nothing earth shattering, but overall improved behavior although no glaring

jumps in cognition or language.

Then inadvertently we raised the dose up a lot, when the wrong measuring spoon

was sent to us with the Enhansa powder. It caused lots of aggression and

hyperactivity and ocd with our son, even with plenty of no phenol enzymes. It

did seem to help his gut a lot - now with the reading I have done on the whole

biofilm thing - well what came out of my boy's bowels after use of this stuff,

it was like slime, close encounters of the worst kind. Even when we realized

our mistake and lowered the dose way down, he still experienced more negatives

than positives, so we had to stop. I think Andy says in those with high

cysteine (sp?) curcumin is no good. May have been the case for my son. I will

say after the Enhansa episode, his gut improved markedly, and yeast shortly

thereafter ceased to be as much of a problem. The stall ended as well, but we

don't know if this was just coincidence - as the time period described by Andy

had elapsed as well.

Just wanted to mention this as a caution in case overwhelming negatives are

seen. Some things can be attributed to " die off " but not all.

Irene

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> > > >

> > > > Joyce,

> > > >

> > > > we had a very similar experience. We had to stop all supplements for

> > > > 48 hours before doing a stool test and I could swear he was almost

> > > > better off without them... I think I even posted about it a week or so

> > > > ago. I've learned on this forum that many go on a " supplement

> > > > vacation " for a little bit and then reintroduce supplements one by one

> > > > to see if all of them are in fact needed. We contemplated that but

> > > > because we have just started chelating (we did 5 rounds, one every

> > > > Fri-Mon), I am afraid to take him off...

> > > >

> > > > In our case, we have stopped Enhansea (definitely caused him a lot of

> > > > aggression, hyperactivity. .. which is a shame because he was doing

> > > > well on it on the starter dose of 75 mg x 2 day)... but other than

> > > > that - he is still on multi-vit (compounded) , fish oils, E, extra C on

> > > > rounds, and a truckload of probiotics (I'm not kidding you! )

> > > >

> > > > Interestingly, others on this forum suggested to us that because we

> > > > use a LOT of apple sauce and OJ to mix in supplements in to give to

> > > > him - that he can be reacting to phenols (which apples and OJ is very

> > > > high on) rather than supplements. So when we stopped giving him

> > > > supplements, inadvertently we stopped apple sauce and OJ... I would

> > > > like to test that idea...

> > > >

> > > Easily done by giving one or two NoFenol.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > > so need to look into what other fruit pures I can use to dump in all

> > > > his supps in... Perhaps pear...

> > > >

> > > > I am not sure if there is a way to take all the supplements while ON

> > > > round and not take anything OFF rounds? Somehow I don't think it is a

> > > > good idea but I can't really substantiate that...

> > > >

> > > > Lena

> > > >

> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > From: stemcellsugars3 <joyce.beck@accessco mm.ca

> > > > <mailto:joyce. beck%40accesscom m.ca>>

> > > >

> > > > <mailto:Autism- Mercury%40g roups.com>

> > > > Sent: Tue, April 6, 2010 11:49:35 AM

> > > > Subject: [ ] Wondering about supplements.

> > > >

> > > > We had my grandson stop all vitamins and minerals for the 3 day long

> > > > weekend, and he seemed he was not near as hyper.

> > > > We started him back last night, and he is very hyper again this

> > > > A.M,Could it be possible he doesnt need all these supplements

> > > > anymore?Could someone please comment on this for us.

> > > > Would it be okay to take him off them for awhile?

> > > > The only thing we chelate every other weekend, he should have them

> > > then .

> > > > We have been giving supplements for over 2 years.

> > > > Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

> > > > Joyce.

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

I have used Amla instead, not exactly the same, but good also. Some can't

handle it but my son has phenol reactions and doesn't react to Amla.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Joyce,

> > > > >

> > > > > we had a very similar experience. We had to stop all supplements for

> > > > > 48 hours before doing a stool test and I could swear he was almost

> > > > > better off without them... I think I even posted about it a week or so

> > > > > ago. I've learned on this forum that many go on a " supplement

> > > > > vacation " for a little bit and then reintroduce supplements one by one

> > > > > to see if all of them are in fact needed. We contemplated that but

> > > > > because we have just started chelating (we did 5 rounds, one every

> > > > > Fri-Mon), I am afraid to take him off...

> > > > >

> > > > > In our case, we have stopped Enhansea (definitely caused him a lot of

> > > > > aggression, hyperactivity. .. which is a shame because he was doing

> > > > > well on it on the starter dose of 75 mg x 2 day)... but other than

> > > > > that - he is still on multi-vit (compounded) , fish oils, E, extra C

on

> > > > > rounds, and a truckload of probiotics (I'm not kidding you! )

> > > > >

> > > > > Interestingly, others on this forum suggested to us that because we

> > > > > use a LOT of apple sauce and OJ to mix in supplements in to give to

> > > > > him - that he can be reacting to phenols (which apples and OJ is very

> > > > > high on) rather than supplements. So when we stopped giving him

> > > > > supplements, inadvertently we stopped apple sauce and OJ... I would

> > > > > like to test that idea...

> > > > >

> > > > Easily done by giving one or two NoFenol.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > > so need to look into what other fruit pures I can use to dump in all

> > > > > his supps in... Perhaps pear...

> > > > >

> > > > > I am not sure if there is a way to take all the supplements while ON

> > > > > round and not take anything OFF rounds? Somehow I don't think it is a

> > > > > good idea but I can't really substantiate that...

> > > > >

> > > > > Lena

> > > > >

> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > From: stemcellsugars3 <joyce.beck@accessco mm.ca

> > > > > <mailto:joyce. beck%40accesscom m.ca>>

> > > > >

> > > > > <mailto:Autism- Mercury%40g roups.com>

> > > > > Sent: Tue, April 6, 2010 11:49:35 AM

> > > > > Subject: [ ] Wondering about supplements.

> > > > >

> > > > > We had my grandson stop all vitamins and minerals for the 3 day long

> > > > > weekend, and he seemed he was not near as hyper.

> > > > > We started him back last night, and he is very hyper again this

> > > > > A.M,Could it be possible he doesnt need all these supplements

> > > > > anymore?Could someone please comment on this for us.

> > > > > Would it be okay to take him off them for awhile?

> > > > > The only thing we chelate every other weekend, he should have them

> > > > then .

> > > > > We have been giving supplements for over 2 years.

> > > > > Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

> > > > > Joyce.

> > > > >

> > > > >