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Hi,

Citrate, gluconate, and lactate are much better forms than the

carbonate. When you take your minerals is important as well. I

believe chenney recommends that they be taken with meals along with

betaine and digestive enzymes (someone correct me if I'm wrong here).

> As far as I know we did not have much discussions about Calcium. I

have

> Osteoporosis and even though I take Calcium supplements daily,my

blood

> calcium level is still low.Which form of the calcium is best

absorbable by

> our bodies?

> I have been using Oyster Shell Calcium. Today I started

using " Calcium(In

> the form of carbonate,citrate,gluconate,Percentages not given)

Magnesium(In

> the form of oxide,citrate,gluconate,percentages not given) and

Boron " by

> Solgar.I also heard that Calcium hydroxy apatite was also a more

absorbable

> form of Calcium.

> Your comments will be appreciated.

> Take care..

> Nil

> CFS,12 years

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Thanks a lot for the valuable info! Does anybody know anything about

hydroxyapatite form. Some says that it is the best form.

Take care..

Nil

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| Hi,

|

| Citrate, gluconate, and lactate are much better forms than the

| carbonate. When you take your minerals is important as well. I

| believe chenney recommends that they be taken with meals along with

| betaine and digestive enzymes (someone correct me if I'm wrong here).

|

|

|

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Hi Judith W,

Thanks a lot for the valuable info you have given. I will search for Calcium

citrate.

Some says that body's capacity to utilize calcium is about 750 mgr per

intake.Rest is leaving the body without utilization.

I always take my daily calcium divided into 2 or 3 doses. May be you would

like to do that,too. Thanks for giving the name of the test,too. I am 47

years old and already have 25 to 30 percent bone loss compared to my age

group.I must admit that I always hated milk and milk products but

contribution of this illness to this high value is very important.I was

immobile and staying away from sun for years. All of us,especially the women

need to be very careful about osteoporosis.I wonder if your doctor has done

any research on hydroxyapatite form.

Take care..

NIl

Calcium supplementation

| | Taking l500 mgs cal citrate but grinding into a powder in a coffee mill

| and taking it before bed. Also taking 800 IU of vit D. He said that

| powdered an taken without other food except mixing it in some apple sauce

| vastly improves absorption. I can't prove it but there's a test that

| measures bone loss of calcium. It's called n-teleopeptides. The blood

| version is more reliable than the urine version. And mine has improved

| so vastly that if this test is as they claim, I'm doing something right,

| as it's improved enormously.

|

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Ng,

I just want to make a couple of comments on calcium supplementation.

The first is that it's important to make sure that your calcium

supplement does not contain very much lead. According to Dr. Murray's

book, The Encyclopedia of Nutritional Supplements, p. 151, the calcium

supplements that were found to have the most lead were those made from

bone meal, unrefined calcium carbonate, and dolomite. Those having

the least lead were made from refined calcium carbonate or calcium

chelate, such as the citrate. Since the form of calcium in bone is

hydroxyapatite, I would encourage you to be careful about this.

The other comment I have is that many PWCs are found to be high in

citrate by urinalysis. I think this occurs because of a partial

blockade in the Krebs cycles of their red, " slow-twitch " muscle cells

(and probably other cells also), which is just downstream of citrate,

at aconitase. Since elevated citrate can downregulate

phosphofructokinase in the glycolysis chain, I think that adding more

citrate to the body could make it even more difficult for these cells

to produce ATP, thus making the symptoms of CFS worse. I have heard

from several PWCs who say they cannot tolerate citrate. Judith

mentioned that she gets migraines from citrate. Others have said they

get intestinal cramps and diarrhea.

The chelated forms of calcium are better absorbed than calcium

carbonate. Capsule forms are better absorbed than tablets.

In view of these things, I would suggest that one of the calcium

chelates in capsule form such as aspartate, orotate, gluconate, or one

of the others would be best for PWCs.

I hope you are also taking magnesium, zinc, manganese, boron, silicon

and vitamins D3, B6, B12, K and folic acid for your osteoporosis.

Rich

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Thank you very much Rich for all of your advices. It was of great help. I

must admit that I am confused about hydroxy apatite. It was given as most

absorbable form of Calcium at Dr. Stoll's site.I will make more research on

this.

Thank you so much.

Nil

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| Ng,

|

| I just want to make a couple of comments on calcium supplementation.

|

| The first is that it's important to make sure that your calcium

| supplement does not contain very much lead. According to Dr. Murray's

| book, The Encyclopedia of Nutritional Supplements, p. 151, the calcium

| supplements that were found to have the most lead were those made from

| bone meal, unrefined calcium carbonate, and dolomite. Those having

| the least lead were made from refined calcium carbonate or calcium

| chelate, such as the citrate. Since the form of calcium in bone is

| hydroxyapatite, I would encourage you to be careful about this.

|

| The other comment I have is that many PWCs are found to be high in

| citrate by urinalysis. I think this occurs because of a partial

| blockade in the Krebs cycles of their red, " slow-twitch " muscle cells

| (and probably other cells also), which is just downstream of citrate,

| at aconitase. Since elevated citrate can downregulate

| phosphofructokinase in the glycolysis chain, I think that adding more

| citrate to the body could make it even more difficult for these cells

| to produce ATP, thus making the symptoms of CFS worse. I have heard

| from several PWCs who say they cannot tolerate citrate. Judith

| mentioned that she gets migraines from citrate. Others have said they

| get intestinal cramps and diarrhea.

|

| The chelated forms of calcium are better absorbed than calcium

| carbonate. Capsule forms are better absorbed than tablets.

|

| In view of these things, I would suggest that one of the calcium

| chelates in capsule form such as aspartate, orotate, gluconate, or one

| of the others would be best for PWCs.

|

| I hope you are also taking magnesium, zinc, manganese, boron, silicon

| and vitamins D3, B6, B12, K and folic acid for your osteoporosis.

|

| Rich

|

|

|

| This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each

other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment

discussed here, please consult your doctor.

|

|

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On 14 February 2010 11:12, Margaret <m.collins9@...> wrote:

> Does anyone still supplement with calcium or has this been abandoned generally

by people on this list? I know wanted H to take calcium (and to be on GFCF

diet) and this was also the line taken by the NHS dietician. But the worrying

things I have read about calcium on this list put me off, although I never

understood what it was all about, Natasa!

>

> How do we know whether our child needs a calciun supplement, and how much to

give them? Can this be done by testing or is it guesswork?

** According to " children with starving brains " 800mg of calcium is

needed daily by autistic kids especially those who are gf/cf.

--

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On 14 February 2010 11:12, Margaret <m.collins9@...> wrote:

> Does anyone still supplement with calcium or has this been abandoned generally

by people on this list? I know wanted H to take calcium (and to be on GFCF

diet) and this was also the line taken by the NHS dietician. But the worrying

things I have read about calcium on this list put me off, although I never

understood what it was all about, Natasa!

>

> How do we know whether our child needs a calciun supplement, and how much to

give them? Can this be done by testing or is it guesswork?

** According to " children with starving brains " 800mg of calcium is

needed daily by autistic kids especially those who are gf/cf.

--

is

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I give Edith a supplement which contains calcium. I looked out for

problems (because Natasa's experiences are well known here) but saw no

problems. We are pretty much CF.

Sally

Margaret wrote:

> Does anyone still supplement with calcium or has this been abandoned generally

by people on this list? I know wanted H to take calcium (and to be on GFCF

diet) and this was also the line taken by the NHS dietician. But the worrying

things I have read about calcium on this list put me off, although I never

understood what it was all about, Natasa!

>

> How do we know whether our child needs a calciun supplement, and how much to

give them? Can this be done by testing or is it guesswork?

>

> Thanks,

> Margaret

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

> DISCLAIMER

> No information contained in this post is to be construed as medical advice. If

you need medical advice, please seek it from a suitably qualified practitioner.

>

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I give Edith a supplement which contains calcium. I looked out for

problems (because Natasa's experiences are well known here) but saw no

problems. We are pretty much CF.

Sally

Margaret wrote:

> Does anyone still supplement with calcium or has this been abandoned generally

by people on this list? I know wanted H to take calcium (and to be on GFCF

diet) and this was also the line taken by the NHS dietician. But the worrying

things I have read about calcium on this list put me off, although I never

understood what it was all about, Natasa!

>

> How do we know whether our child needs a calciun supplement, and how much to

give them? Can this be done by testing or is it guesswork?

>

> Thanks,

> Margaret

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

> DISCLAIMER

> No information contained in this post is to be construed as medical advice. If

you need medical advice, please seek it from a suitably qualified practitioner.

>

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I'm interested in this answer as well.

My son is GFCF and is not on a calcium supp, but is on K2 and D3. We just had

some bloods come back which show his blood Ca levels are in range (101.3mg/L,

range 92-110mg/L), but then again they always have been. I think this isnt

necesarily a sign of Ca in bones though.

What sort of symptoms would you get if Ca supplementation wasnt working out?

Are there any markers/tests that would show bone health?

> > Does anyone still supplement with calcium or has this been abandoned

generally by people on this list? I know wanted H to take calcium (and to

be on GFCF diet) and this was also the line taken by the NHS dietician. But the

worrying things I have read about calcium on this list put me off, although I

never understood what it was all about, Natasa!

> >

> > How do we know whether our child needs a calciun supplement, and how much to

give them? Can this be done by testing or is it guesswork?

> >

> > Thanks,

> > Margaret

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> > DISCLAIMER

> > No information contained in this post is to be construed as medical advice.

If you need medical advice, please seek it from a suitably qualified

practitioner.

> >

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I'm interested in this answer as well.

My son is GFCF and is not on a calcium supp, but is on K2 and D3. We just had

some bloods come back which show his blood Ca levels are in range (101.3mg/L,

range 92-110mg/L), but then again they always have been. I think this isnt

necesarily a sign of Ca in bones though.

What sort of symptoms would you get if Ca supplementation wasnt working out?

Are there any markers/tests that would show bone health?

> > Does anyone still supplement with calcium or has this been abandoned

generally by people on this list? I know wanted H to take calcium (and to

be on GFCF diet) and this was also the line taken by the NHS dietician. But the

worrying things I have read about calcium on this list put me off, although I

never understood what it was all about, Natasa!

> >

> > How do we know whether our child needs a calciun supplement, and how much to

give them? Can this be done by testing or is it guesswork?

> >

> > Thanks,

> > Margaret

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> > DISCLAIMER

> > No information contained in this post is to be construed as medical advice.

If you need medical advice, please seek it from a suitably qualified

practitioner.

> >

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I'm interested in this answer as well.

My son is GFCF and is not on a calcium supp, but is on K2 and D3. We just had

some bloods come back which show his blood Ca levels are in range (101.3mg/L,

range 92-110mg/L), but then again they always have been. I think this isnt

necesarily a sign of Ca in bones though.

What sort of symptoms would you get if Ca supplementation wasnt working out?

Are there any markers/tests that would show bone health?

> > Does anyone still supplement with calcium or has this been abandoned

generally by people on this list? I know wanted H to take calcium (and to

be on GFCF diet) and this was also the line taken by the NHS dietician. But the

worrying things I have read about calcium on this list put me off, although I

never understood what it was all about, Natasa!

> >

> > How do we know whether our child needs a calciun supplement, and how much to

give them? Can this be done by testing or is it guesswork?

> >

> > Thanks,

> > Margaret

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> > DISCLAIMER

> > No information contained in this post is to be construed as medical advice.

If you need medical advice, please seek it from a suitably qualified

practitioner.

> >

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Hi Margaret,

We supplement with calcium. Not huge amounts, but without that ds starts

pushing on his eyes. He takes calcium citrate--that form generally seems to

agree with him. He also takes d3 and k2. I have calcium regulation problems it

would seem: lovely bumps around my eyes that are calcium deposits (inherited

from my mother's side--all the women in my family seem to have it). These have

been diminished with my own supplementation of k2 and d3.

DS didn't seem to show marked improvement on k2 and only mood improvement on D3,

and had never shown any problems supping the calcium; nevertheless, given my

issues and his own bad bacterial issues and the fact that in Canada we can't

make d3 for half the year, I keep him on the k2 and d3. He gets quite a bit

of calcium in his diet, but would seem to have a high need and if we stop the

supps for more than a couple weeks, he starts in on the eye pushing.

I think genetically my family is meant to have heavy bones. That might sound

like a dumb thing to say but all my siblings and all my kids are heavy people,

even without an ounce of fat on them (not saying I don't have oodles of fat, but

back when I didn't). We all seem to have indestructible bones. So, it would

seem from outward appearances that familially we seem to need a lot of calcium,

but also need the extra k2 and d3 to use it properly.

Anita

>

> Does anyone still supplement with calcium or has this been abandoned generally

by people on this list? I know wanted H to take calcium (and to be on GFCF

diet) and this was also the line taken by the NHS dietician. But the worrying

things I have read about calcium on this list put me off, although I never

understood what it was all about, Natasa!

>

> How do we know whether our child needs a calciun supplement, and how much to

give them? Can this be done by testing or is it guesswork?

>

> Thanks,

> Margaret

>

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Hi Margaret,

We supplement with calcium. Not huge amounts, but without that ds starts

pushing on his eyes. He takes calcium citrate--that form generally seems to

agree with him. He also takes d3 and k2. I have calcium regulation problems it

would seem: lovely bumps around my eyes that are calcium deposits (inherited

from my mother's side--all the women in my family seem to have it). These have

been diminished with my own supplementation of k2 and d3.

DS didn't seem to show marked improvement on k2 and only mood improvement on D3,

and had never shown any problems supping the calcium; nevertheless, given my

issues and his own bad bacterial issues and the fact that in Canada we can't

make d3 for half the year, I keep him on the k2 and d3. He gets quite a bit

of calcium in his diet, but would seem to have a high need and if we stop the

supps for more than a couple weeks, he starts in on the eye pushing.

I think genetically my family is meant to have heavy bones. That might sound

like a dumb thing to say but all my siblings and all my kids are heavy people,

even without an ounce of fat on them (not saying I don't have oodles of fat, but

back when I didn't). We all seem to have indestructible bones. So, it would

seem from outward appearances that familially we seem to need a lot of calcium,

but also need the extra k2 and d3 to use it properly.

Anita

>

> Does anyone still supplement with calcium or has this been abandoned generally

by people on this list? I know wanted H to take calcium (and to be on GFCF

diet) and this was also the line taken by the NHS dietician. But the worrying

things I have read about calcium on this list put me off, although I never

understood what it was all about, Natasa!

>

> How do we know whether our child needs a calciun supplement, and how much to

give them? Can this be done by testing or is it guesswork?

>

> Thanks,

> Margaret

>

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I took off calcium when we started to supplement k2. We are now off k2 and back on calcium. He had a blood test at Breakspear Hospital about a year ago which showed low calcium. He is gfcf. Dr Magdalena told me to supplement calcium. Matt was showing a lot of eye stims when low calcium and some agitation. I think he has been happier and his behaviour has been better on it. Not entirely sure he fits into with the k2 protocol - I think a lot of the children on that list show high calcium levels?

Jane

Re: Calcium supplementation

I'm interested in this answer as well.My son is GFCF and is not on a calcium supp, but is on K2 and D3. We just had some bloods come back which show his blood Ca levels are in range (101.3mg/L, range 92-110mg/L), but then again they always have been. I think this isnt necesarily a sign of Ca in bones though. What sort of symptoms would you get if Ca supplementation wasnt working out?Are there any markers/tests that would show bone health?> > Does anyone still supplement with calcium or has this been abandoned generally by people on this list? I know wanted H to take calcium (and to be on GFCF diet) and this was also the line taken by the NHS dietician. But the worrying things I have read about calcium on this list put me off, although I never understood what it was all about, Natasa!> >> > How do we know whether our child needs a calciun supplement, and how much to give them? Can this be done by testing or is it guesswork?> >> > Thanks, > > Margaret> >> >> >> > ------------------------------------> >> > DISCLAIMER> > No information contained in this post is to be construed as medical advice. If you need medical advice, please seek it from a suitably qualified practitioner.> >

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There was some research a while back which showed that GFCF kids had

thinner wrist bones than non-GFCF

Sally

mysuperteach wrote:

> Hi Margaret,

>

> We supplement with calcium. Not huge amounts, but without that ds starts

pushing on his eyes. He takes calcium citrate--that form generally seems to

agree with him. He also takes d3 and k2. I have calcium regulation problems it

would seem: lovely bumps around my eyes that are calcium deposits (inherited

from my mother's side--all the women in my family seem to have it). These have

been diminished with my own supplementation of k2 and d3.

>

> DS didn't seem to show marked improvement on k2 and only mood improvement on

D3, and had never shown any problems supping the calcium; nevertheless, given my

issues and his own bad bacterial issues and the fact that in Canada we can't

make d3 for half the year, I keep him on the k2 and d3. He gets quite a bit

of calcium in his diet, but would seem to have a high need and if we stop the

supps for more than a couple weeks, he starts in on the eye pushing.

>

> I think genetically my family is meant to have heavy bones. That might sound

like a dumb thing to say but all my siblings and all my kids are heavy people,

even without an ounce of fat on them (not saying I don't have oodles of fat, but

back when I didn't). We all seem to have indestructible bones. So, it would

seem from outward appearances that familially we seem to need a lot of calcium,

but also need the extra k2 and d3 to use it properly.

>

> Anita

>

>

>

>

>

>> Does anyone still supplement with calcium or has this been abandoned

generally by people on this list? I know wanted H to take calcium (and to

be on GFCF diet) and this was also the line taken by the NHS dietician. But the

worrying things I have read about calcium on this list put me off, although I

never understood what it was all about, Natasa!

>>

>> How do we know whether our child needs a calciun supplement, and how much to

give them? Can this be done by testing or is it guesswork?

>>

>> Thanks,

>> Margaret

>>

>>

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

> DISCLAIMER

> No information contained in this post is to be construed as medical advice. If

you need medical advice, please seek it from a suitably qualified practitioner.

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Hi Margaret,

Calcium seems to be very necessary for . It was the first

supplement we tried and was like a magic wand and stopped 's very

serious eye gouging. I was at my wits end when was about 9 and

sent a desperate message to Dana (Dana's view) it was pages long listing

everything about At the top of my list to her of problems was his

eye gouging, this was so bad I had a towel on permanent stand by in case

the worst happened! She was so kind and answered every point

meticulously. For the eye gouging she simply put 'eye issues try

calcium'. I did and it stopped immediately and the only time I have seen

it return is very recently when I tried periwinkle. I was going to post

about that separately. We saw some fabulous things with it but also

major problems -spots around the mouth , petit mals back, high pitch

screaming , scratching the skin off the backs of my hands and serious

eye poking. I could not find anything listed under allergic reactions

etc but when I dug about I found an item on the internet that said

'calcium chelator!'

I have no idea about testing but could post any test we have if in case

anyone wants to do a comparison ? Hair elements calcium was low but

still in the green ref range 160 - 500 's was 236.

Sally Eva wrote:

>

> I give Edith a supplement which contains calcium. I looked out for

> problems (because Natasa's experiences are well known here) but saw no

> problems. We are pretty much CF.

> Sally

>

> Margaret wrote:

> > Does anyone still supplement with calcium or has this been abandoned

> generally by people on this list? I know wanted H to take calcium

> (and to be on GFCF diet) and this was also the line taken by the NHS

> dietician. But the worrying things I have read about calcium on this

> list put me off, although I never understood what it was all about,

> Natasa!

> >

> > How do we know whether our child needs a calciun supplement, and how

> much to give them? Can this be done by testing or is it guesswork?

> >

> > Thanks,

> > Margaret

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------ --------- --------- ------

> >

> > DISCLAIMER

> > No information contained in this post is to be construed as medical

> advice. If you need medical advice, please seek it from a suitably

> qualified practitioner.

> >

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Hi Margaret,

I have huge sympathies with you but it's the same old cliches that our

kids are all different. We are probably dealing with different

conditions and different degrees of those conditions.

Tom reacts badly to calcium. He makes really obvious and dramatic

jerking movements when we give it to him and he's doing very well on the

vit k protocol. That's the answer - all our kids are different, the

vast, vast majority of them are not recovered yet and everyone is still

figuring lots of things out. (oh and sometimes what looks like a bad

reaction might be a good one, etc etc. - it's a minefield - and all of

this has to be worked out by stressed, tired mothers!) :-(

Sara x

P & L wrote:

> Hi Margaret,

> Calcium seems to be very necessary for . It was the first

> supplement we tried and was like a magic wand and stopped 's very

> serious eye gouging. I was at my wits end when was about 9 and

> sent a desperate message to Dana (Dana's view) it was pages long listing

> everything about At the top of my list to her of problems was his

> eye gouging, this was so bad I had a towel on permanent stand by in case

> the worst happened! She was so kind and answered every point

> meticulously. For the eye gouging she simply put 'eye issues try

> calcium'. I did and it stopped immediately and the only time I have seen

> it return is very recently when I tried periwinkle. I was going to post

> about that separately. We saw some fabulous things with it but also

> major problems -spots around the mouth , petit mals back, high pitch

> screaming , scratching the skin off the backs of my hands and serious

> eye poking. I could not find anything listed under allergic reactions

> etc but when I dug about I found an item on the internet that said

> 'calcium chelator!'

> I have no idea about testing but could post any test we have if in case

> anyone wants to do a comparison ? Hair elements calcium was low but

> still in the green ref range 160 - 500 's was 236.

>

>

> Sally Eva wrote:

>

>> I give Edith a supplement which contains calcium. I looked out for

>> problems (because Natasa's experiences are well known here) but saw no

>> problems. We are pretty much CF.

>> Sally

>>

>> Margaret wrote:

>>

>>> Does anyone still supplement with calcium or has this been abandoned

>>>

>> generally by people on this list? I know wanted H to take calcium

>> (and to be on GFCF diet) and this was also the line taken by the NHS

>> dietician. But the worrying things I have read about calcium on this

>> list put me off, although I never understood what it was all about,

>> Natasa!

>>

>>> How do we know whether our child needs a calciun supplement, and how

>>>

>> much to give them? Can this be done by testing or is it guesswork?

>>

>>> Thanks,

>>> Margaret

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> ------------ --------- --------- ------

>>>

>>> DISCLAIMER

>>> No information contained in this post is to be construed as medical

>>>

>> advice. If you need medical advice, please seek it from a suitably

>> qualified practitioner.

>>

>>>

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Hi Margaret

We still give calcium although not always regularly, virtually all calcium supps

contain some lead including food sources of calcium, this is counteracted by

calcium reducing absorbtion of lead so a good quality calcium supp if you can

find it might be worthwhile for some people especially where eye gouging as has

been posted here recently is concerned.

Although some cultures have seemed to do OK without much calcium at least in

the form of dairy.

Often what is better and cheaper than a test might be to give calcium and if

things improve after a couple of weeks carry on if things get worse then stop

IMO.

Unfortunately I think that much of what we do is guesswork or at least trial and

error with a little bit of insight if we are lucky.

Kenny

>

> Does anyone still supplement with calcium or has this been abandoned generally

by people on this list? I know wanted H to take calcium (and to be on GFCF

diet) and this was also the line taken by the NHS dietician. But the worrying

things I have read about calcium on this list put me off, although I never

understood what it was all about, Natasa!

>

> How do we know whether our child needs a calciun supplement, and how much to

give them? Can this be done by testing or is it guesswork?

>

> Thanks,

> Margaret

>

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