Guest guest Posted October 7, 2004 Report Share Posted October 7, 2004 > > Hello all. This last weekend I saw Trudeau advertising his book > something about cures that THEY don't want you to know about. He > talked about additives put in food to make you hungrier, greedy > pharmcos, the rapid increase in cancers, diabetes, fibrolylasia, etc. > He was interesting. Then I realized it was an infomercial and the > whole line of questioning was staged. I did a search of him on the > internet and he is the infomercial king and has been sued for his > outrageous claims of improving health, curing cancer by the FTC. I > don't believe he is a doctor, or anything but an entreprenuer??? > BUT... the book sounds full of info. Has anyone heard of him (good or > bad)? What's your take on this? I looked at his website VERY briefly http://www.trudeau.com/ Obviously selling stuff, very polished presentation. Which means next to nothing. Sure, it leaves me thinking it seems on too-slick side--- but that doesn't mean his stuff is all bad. I'd just consider if you are willing to lose your $40 or whatever it is to find out what he is selling. There may be something useful in there -- I think it is like any other information, there is usually something useful if you are willing to do the work to find it and evaluate or try things out. And sometimes that is too much effort. When I searched on his name I also got links to stuff about various legal actions against him, FTC stuff or something like that -- which seems pretty seedy, but some of my favorite therapies are illegal, and even people trying not to cross the line often make illegal health claims. Anyway, you can read all about it if you want to. good wishes, Moria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2005 Report Share Posted September 1, 2005 is he out on bail? Trudeau > Hi All, > I know there's been mention of Trudeau and his book, " Natural > Cures They Don't Want You to Know About, " so I thought ya'll would > like to see the email he sent out today. Very interesting. I am a > member of his website, www.naturalcures.com ($9.95 a month) and it is > very informative, altho all of us in the " bio-med club " could guess > alot of what he says about different health issues. He doesn't make > much mention of autism in his writings, but does say all the same > things we are saying about pharma causing alot more problems than > they seem to be fixing lately, and they don't want to own up to it... > Check this out... > > > > > As I write these words, the drug companies and the government are in > full force putting together a major negative PR campaign attacking me > personally. As I pointed out earlier in this issue, the government is > in the process of putting out many false and misleading press > releases trying to convince people not to buy and read my book. I > believe this is a coordinated attack between the FTC, and other > federal government regulatory bodies, as well as state regulatory > agencies. This is being funded, in my opinion, by the pharmaceutical > industry and the food industry. Lobbyists have been employed and tens > of millions of dollars are being spent specifically to ambush me, > attack me, discredit me, and make me look bad in any way possible. I > believe private investigators have been hired who are reviewing > everything I do and are even going through my trash. The drug > industry and the government will stop at nothing to try to discredit > me and stop people from buying and reading the book. I am exposing > the corruption in government and corporations. I am blowing the > whistle on the truth. I am exposing the rats and how they lie and > defraud the public. I need your support more now than ever before. > Major news agencies are running stories putting out false and > misleading information about me and the book. Newspapers, magazines, > and television and radio stations are putting out news reports that > are flagrantly untrue, misleading, false, misrepresentative of the > facts, and that contain nothing but personal attacks in attempts at > suppressing my First Amendment right of free speech all because I am > exposing the dirty secrets that the government, drug industry, and > food industry do not want you to know. > > I am also exposing the dirty little secrets that the news media > doesn't want you to know. Therefore, I am on everyone's hit list. It > is hard for me to defend when these news agencies will not allow me > to buy time and counter their lies. As I mentioned, USA Today will > not allow me to run ads. CNBC will not run my ads; many ABC stations > will not run my ads. Other cable, television and radio stations will > not run my ads. I believe they will not run my ads because the drug > companies and food companies, being the major sponsors, are telling > them, do not run ads for my book. These magazines, newspapers, and > television and radio stations are being told by the drug companies, > the food industries and other advertisers to run negative stories on > me. This is actually happening right now. > > How can we turn this around? There is an easy way. Many of you > remember the movie Miracle on 34th Street. In that movie, a man said > his name was Kris Kringle, Santa Clause. When he went to court to > defend his position, the miracle that happened was, in " Mason " > style, suddenly the doors of the courtroom swung open and dozens of > mailmen appeared carrying bags of mail from people all around the > world addressed to Mr. Kris Kringle. Bag after bag, after bag, after > bag of mail was poured on the courtroom floor in front of the judge. > Everyone was shocked and amazed. The judge was amazed at the number > of people that had sent in an outpouring of support of Kris Kringle. > That overwhelming show of support in the form of written letters made > all the difference, and there was certainly a miracle on 34th Street - > Kris Kringle won. We can do the same thing. I simply need you to sit > down and write me a letter, or send me an e-mail. Make the letter " To > whom it may concern. " Say honestly what you truly feel. Say that you > read my book and that you liked it. Say exactly how the book has > helped you. Tell me your success story. How was life better because > you were exposed to the information in the book? The more letters > like this that I receive, the more ammunition I will have when I am > attacked by news agencies. Imagine me being able to send 50,000 > letters and drop it on the desk of Bill O'Reilly at Fox News, or the > president of ABC News, or a member of the Attorney General's office > in New York, or the FTC, or even the President of the United States. > How do you think that would look? Let me tell you something; that > would blow them away. That one thing can change everything. Please, > please, please help me. Spend five or ten minutes and write me that > letter. It is most urgent and most needed right now. You can e-mail > your comments directly online at www.naturalcures.com/feedback.aspx, > you can mail your letter to Trudeau at PO Box 675, Elk Grove > Village, IL 60009 or you can fax your letter to (847) 545-8192. Thank > you so, so much. You have no idea how important this is. If you can > get your friends and relatives to write letters as well, please do > so. The more letters that come in the better. Do not delay, write > this letter today. > > Sincerely, > Trudeau > Founder > NaturalCures.com > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2005 Report Share Posted September 1, 2005 Of course much of what " Doctor " Trudeau says about the government and the greedy, evil pharmaceuticals is true. And what the goverment says about " Doctor " Trudeau is also true! Haven't all of you lived through the elections when much of what is said by the democrats about republican candidates is true, and much of what the republicans say about the democratic candidates is also true! What is amazing about this is that even unlicensed " Doctor " Barrett the " Quack " watcher of Qwackwatch fame (or is it infamy) is telling the truth about Trudeau. Let us examine the facts: ____________________________________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________________________________ __________ Trudeau's credentials in marketing can't be denied, but there is some question as to his credentials in matters of nutrition. During the early 1990s, according to a report in the Wall Street Journal, Trudeau served nearly two years in prison. In 1990, he pled guilty to larceny in a Cambridge, Massachusetts, state court in connection with $80,000 in worthless checks he had deposited at a bank. The sentencing memorandum said that he had posed as a doctor to increase his credibility with bank officials. In 1991, he pled guilty to credit-card fraud in Boston federal district court. Among his misdeeds in the federal case, he misappropriated for his own use the credit-card numbers of customers of the memory-improvement courses that he offered at the time. ____________________________________________________________________________ _________________________________________________________________ " Doctor " Trudeau according to the above is well qualified to recognize the fraud in government and the pharmaceutics --- Haven't you ever heard the age old saying, " it takes one to know one. " Mr. Trudeau will be most grateful for your contributions for his website. It will help him pay his lawyers so that he doesn't have to dip into his millions of " earnings. " It is probably safe now to pay for his amazing nutritional advice with your credit card. They have his number! Trudeau > Hi All, > I know there's been mention of Trudeau and his book, " Natural > Cures They Don't Want You to Know About, " so I thought ya'll would > like to see the email he sent out today. Very interesting. I am a > member of his website, www.naturalcures.com ($9.95 a month) and it is > very informative, altho all of us in the " bio-med club " could guess > alot of what he says about different health issues. He doesn't make > much mention of autism in his writings, but does say all the same > things we are saying about pharma causing alot more problems than > they seem to be fixing lately, and they don't want to own up to it... > Check this out... > > > > > As I write these words, the drug companies and the government are in > full force putting together a major negative PR campaign attacking me > personally. As I pointed out earlier in this issue, the government is > in the process of putting out many false and misleading press > releases trying to convince people not to buy and read my book. I > believe this is a coordinated attack between the FTC, and other > federal government regulatory bodies, as well as state regulatory > agencies. This is being funded, in my opinion, by the pharmaceutical > industry and the food industry. Lobbyists have been employed and tens > of millions of dollars are being spent specifically to ambush me, > attack me, discredit me, and make me look bad in any way possible. I > believe private investigators have been hired who are reviewing > everything I do and are even going through my trash. The drug > industry and the government will stop at nothing to try to discredit > me and stop people from buying and reading the book. I am exposing > the corruption in government and corporations. I am blowing the > whistle on the truth. I am exposing the rats and how they lie and > defraud the public. I need your support more now than ever before. > Major news agencies are running stories putting out false and > misleading information about me and the book. Newspapers, magazines, > and television and radio stations are putting out news reports that > are flagrantly untrue, misleading, false, misrepresentative of the > facts, and that contain nothing but personal attacks in attempts at > suppressing my First Amendment right of free speech all because I am > exposing the dirty secrets that the government, drug industry, and > food industry do not want you to know. > > I am also exposing the dirty little secrets that the news media > doesn't want you to know. Therefore, I am on everyone's hit list. It > is hard for me to defend when these news agencies will not allow me > to buy time and counter their lies. As I mentioned, USA Today will > not allow me to run ads. CNBC will not run my ads; many ABC stations > will not run my ads. Other cable, television and radio stations will > not run my ads. I believe they will not run my ads because the drug > companies and food companies, being the major sponsors, are telling > them, do not run ads for my book. These magazines, newspapers, and > television and radio stations are being told by the drug companies, > the food industries and other advertisers to run negative stories on > me. This is actually happening right now. > > How can we turn this around? There is an easy way. Many of you > remember the movie Miracle on 34th Street. In that movie, a man said > his name was Kris Kringle, Santa Clause. When he went to court to > defend his position, the miracle that happened was, in " Mason " > style, suddenly the doors of the courtroom swung open and dozens of > mailmen appeared carrying bags of mail from people all around the > world addressed to Mr. Kris Kringle. Bag after bag, after bag, after > bag of mail was poured on the courtroom floor in front of the judge. > Everyone was shocked and amazed. The judge was amazed at the number > of people that had sent in an outpouring of support of Kris Kringle. > That overwhelming show of support in the form of written letters made > all the difference, and there was certainly a miracle on 34th Street - > Kris Kringle won. We can do the same thing. I simply need you to sit > down and write me a letter, or send me an e-mail. Make the letter " To > whom it may concern. " Say honestly what you truly feel. Say that you > read my book and that you liked it. Say exactly how the book has > helped you. Tell me your success story. How was life better because > you were exposed to the information in the book? The more letters > like this that I receive, the more ammunition I will have when I am > attacked by news agencies. Imagine me being able to send 50,000 > letters and drop it on the desk of Bill O'Reilly at Fox News, or the > president of ABC News, or a member of the Attorney General's office > in New York, or the FTC, or even the President of the United States. > How do you think that would look? Let me tell you something; that > would blow them away. That one thing can change everything. Please, > please, please help me. Spend five or ten minutes and write me that > letter. It is most urgent and most needed right now. You can e-mail > your comments directly online at www.naturalcures.com/feedback.aspx, > you can mail your letter to Trudeau at PO Box 675, Elk Grove > Village, IL 60009 or you can fax your letter to (847) 545-8192. Thank > you so, so much. You have no idea how important this is. If you can > get your friends and relatives to write letters as well, please do > so. The more letters that come in the better. Do not delay, write > this letter today. > > Sincerely, > Trudeau > Founder > NaturalCures.com > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2005 Report Share Posted September 2, 2005 I don't find such vague promotional pitches particularly motivating for me. He goes on and on about how he is being persecuted, but never provides examples of what exactly he says that prompts such concerted reactions. If his book is anywhere manipulative in style like his "teaser" promotional effort, forget it. -Lenny From: EOHarm [mailto:EOHarm ] On Behalf Of kimsenseSent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 11:45 AMEOHarm Subject: Trudeau Hi All,I know there's been mention of Trudeau and his book, "Natural Cures They Don't Want You to Know About," so I thought ya'll would like to see the email he sent out today. Very interesting. I am a member of his website, www.naturalcures.com ($9.95 a month) and it is very informative, altho all of us in the "bio-med club" could guess alot of what he says about different health issues. He doesn't make much mention of autism in his writings, but does say all the same things we are saying about pharma causing alot more problems than they seem to be fixing lately, and they don't want to own up to it...Check this out... As I write these words, the drug companies and the government are in full force putting together a major negative PR campaign attacking me personally. As I pointed out earlier in this issue, the government is in the process of putting out many false and misleading press releases trying to convince people not to buy and read my book. I believe this is a coordinated attack between the FTC, and other federal government regulatory bodies, as well as state regulatory agencies. This is being funded, in my opinion, by the pharmaceutical industry and the food industry. Lobbyists have been employed and tens of millions of dollars are being spent specifically to ambush me, attack me, discredit me, and make me look bad in any way possible. I believe private investigators have been hired who are reviewing everything I do and are even going through my trash. The drug industry and the government will stop at nothing to try to discredit me and stop people from buying and reading the book. I am exposing the corruption in government and corporations. I am blowing the whistle on the truth. I am exposing the rats and how they lie and defraud the public. I need your support more now than ever before. Major news agencies are running stories putting out false and misleading information about me and the book. Newspapers, magazines, and television and radio stations are putting out news reports that are flagrantly untrue, misleading, false, misrepresentative of the facts, and that contain nothing but personal attacks in attempts at suppressing my First Amendment right of free speech all because I am exposing the dirty secrets that the government, drug industry, and food industry do not want you to know. I am also exposing the dirty little secrets that the news media doesn't want you to know. Therefore, I am on everyone's hit list. It is hard for me to defend when these news agencies will not allow me to buy time and counter their lies. As I mentioned, USA Today will not allow me to run ads. CNBC will not run my ads; many ABC stations will not run my ads. Other cable, television and radio stations will not run my ads. I believe they will not run my ads because the drug companies and food companies, being the major sponsors, are telling them, do not run ads for my book. These magazines, newspapers, and television and radio stations are being told by the drug companies, the food industries and other advertisers to run negative stories on me. This is actually happening right now. How can we turn this around? There is an easy way. Many of you remember the movie Miracle on 34th Street. In that movie, a man said his name was Kris Kringle, Santa Clause. When he went to court to defend his position, the miracle that happened was, in " Mason" style, suddenly the doors of the courtroom swung open and dozens of mailmen appeared carrying bags of mail from people all around the world addressed to Mr. Kris Kringle. Bag after bag, after bag, after bag of mail was poured on the courtroom floor in front of the judge. Everyone was shocked and amazed. The judge was amazed at the number of people that had sent in an outpouring of support of Kris Kringle. That overwhelming show of support in the form of written letters made all the difference, and there was certainly a miracle on 34th Street -Kris Kringle won. We can do the same thing. I simply need you to sit down and write me a letter, or send me an e-mail. Make the letter "To whom it may concern." Say honestly what you truly feel. Say that you read my book and that you liked it. Say exactly how the book has helped you. Tell me your success story. How was life better because you were exposed to the information in the book? The more letters like this that I receive, the more ammunition I will have when I am attacked by news agencies. Imagine me being able to send 50,000 letters and drop it on the desk of Bill O'Reilly at Fox News, or the president of ABC News, or a member of the Attorney General's office in New York, or the FTC, or even the President of the United States. How do you think that would look? Let me tell you something; that would blow them away. That one thing can change everything. Please, please, please help me. Spend five or ten minutes and write me that letter. It is most urgent and most needed right now. You can e-mail your comments directly online at www.naturalcures.com/feedback.aspx, you can mail your letter to Trudeau at PO Box 675, Elk Grove Village, IL 60009 or you can fax your letter to (847) 545-8192. Thank you so, so much. You have no idea how important this is. If you can get your friends and relatives to write letters as well, please do so. The more letters that come in the better. Do not delay, write this letter today. Sincerely, TrudeauFounderNaturalCures.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2005 Report Share Posted September 21, 2005 However, all that said: just the title of Trudeau's book does imply " pointed cures " rather than a whole " cure " singular. And for this reason I can understand people's disappointment. I think he made a mistake by combining the political with the cures in one book -- and evidently beginning the book with a long spiel on the politic side, (which IS important to understand), leaving the cures for later in the book. It's also sad to hear what Rhio said about the fact that the govt would not ALLOW him to put some of his cures in his book. I feel that should be more clear in his advertising of his book. He should mention that NOT all of his cures are in the book because the govt does not allow it -- but then again, perhaps the govt also does not allow him to mention on the air that the same banned cures are available on his website. Whatever. I think he has a lot of good information to share, both political and healing-wise, and I applaud him for fighting the good fight. Whoever is unhappy with his book is out $35, but it has a good resale value even on eBay -- probably even better at Amazon.com marketplace where used books are sold. Anyone with a copy they are unhappy with can get most of their money back by selling their copy. I have access to his members-only website and I am impressed with the cures he does have on there. By no means encyclopedic (for instance he doesn't even have a category for arthritis), he does have cures for well over a hundred conditions and some of the BEST information I have ever seen in one place for both inner cleansing and constipation. I've been studying this sort of thing for many years, and I for one must same I am impressed with what he has to share on his website. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2005 Report Share Posted September 21, 2005 Michele Deradune wrote: > It's also sad to hear what Rhio said about the fact that the govt would not > ALLOW him to put some of his cures in his book. This is truly a problem area. He's correct when he says nobody is allowed to even CLAIM a cure unless it is with a pharma drug. As a homeopath, I " help animals to regain health " . I may not claim a single cure by law despite the fact that I work with diseases considered 100% fatal (FIP for example) and have the animals healthy for life afterwards. This way I am also not allowed to publish my cases in a scientific journal, not that any will accept homeopathy cases for publication because THEY fear the FDA. We have given the FDA far too much power - they are controlling our health and removing all our health freedoms - in that regard Trudeau is totally correct. And every day the FDA does more to undermine what few health choices we have left outside big pharma. Do you not think: It's ludicrous to disallow claiming a " cure " in clearly cured people and animals!!!! Why do we the people put up with this? It denies us free access to valid cures. > I feel that should be more clear in his advertising of his book. He > should mention that NOT all of his cures are in the book because the govt > does not allow it -- but then again, perhaps the govt also does not allow > him to mention on the air that the same banned cures are available on his > website. I question his claim that he may not publish something. Unless there is a specific court order (which is public document and he can publish THAT) then there still is the right to free speech. I already won that argument for my own website where I describe a FIP case that got healthy on my advice. I was investigated thanks to a malicious and spurious claim filed against me (causing me to have to shut down my business for 3 months while they messed around and I had NO rights as they had not filed charges and rights start only AFTER they file charges). At the end of the 3 months they had to agree my website was protected under free speech, and that the way I practice homeopathy was and is legitimate in all ways under the law - and I have an official document - a letter to that effect - in which they also " decline " to file charges. Three months income gone west, which I could ill afford and about which I had NO rights - and all my clients left suddenly without my support regardless what critical stage they were at - but the letter helps a bit for the future. So freedom of speech in publication IS a right we have - even if we are not allowed to claim a " cure " of anything for a specific individual. One is supposed to call it spontaneous restoration of health or misdiagnosis I suppose. That indeed is how the statistics read per FDA, and why you do not hear of cures by homeopathy. Who loses? Not the homeopaths - we have overloads of clients - the public looses, as their right to choose a homeopath is blocked by this activity: There need to be more homeopaths and people should have a right (in my opinion) to choose homeopathy over allopathy is they wish. THAT access is what is being squashed along with harassment of homeopaths everywhere just for being homeopaths. It's hard to persuade people to sign up for several years of intense study to be a homeopath, with a guarantee of harassment at the end of it, and no guarantee of being allowed to work in the profession. Trudeau has political truth behind his plight. Still doesn't excuse false advertising :-)) In fact I consider that gives alternative health a bad name it does not deserve, and helps to support big pharma's intentions to make alternative health seem a " dirty word " that " cannot " cure. Health freedom - freedom of choice over health care options - needs to be ours by constitutional right, but it currently is not - not for people and not for your pets either. Namaste, Irene -- Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220. www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.) Proverb:Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2005 Report Share Posted September 21, 2005 Which of Trudeau's cures are banned? What do they consist of? It seems likely that there's a good reason for them to be banned. I also find it interesting that Trudeau is primarily a salesman. He's not a doctor nor a nutritionist nor any other sort of health professional. He has no credentials or documented proof of any sort to back what he's selling. He's not sharing anything. There's no free information on his web site. Best regards, Celeste Michele Deradune wrote: > I feel that should be more clear in his advertising of his book. He > should mention that NOT all of his cures are in the book because the govt > does not allow it -- but then again, perhaps the govt also does not allow > him to mention on the air that the same banned cures are available on his > website. > > Whatever. I think he has a lot of good information to share, both political > and healing-wise, and I applaud him for fighting the good fight. Whoever is > unhappy with his book is out $35, but it has a good resale value even on > eBay -- probably even better at Amazon.com marketplace where used books are > sold. Anyone with a copy they are unhappy with can get most of their money > back by selling their copy. > > I have access to his members-only website and I am impressed with the cures > he does have on there. By no means encyclopedic (for instance he doesn't > even have a category for arthritis), he does have cures for well over a > hundred conditions and some of the BEST information I have ever seen in one > place for both inner cleansing and constipation. I've been studying this > sort of thing for many years, and I for one must same I am impressed with > what he has to share on his website. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2005 Report Share Posted September 21, 2005 No matter who says it, it is still a false statement. Without clinical proof it is unethical to claim a cure, but people are still allowed to do it. So I always look for proof. Best regards, Celeste Irene de Villiers wrote: > He's correct when he says nobody is allowed to even CLAIM a cure unless > it is with a pharma drug. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2005 Report Share Posted September 21, 2005 Haha. I just used the term sharing in a different way. I will tell you this: the people who have helped me MOST with the most serious health problems I have had in my life have had no credentials. In fact I have helped others as well, with no credentials. Credentials schmedentials. I say the proof is in the pudding, not on a credential. If people are interested in natural cures, for a 1-month membership on his website you can go in and copy and paste every natural cure he has to your hard drive. Not interested, then don't. Once I see his book perhaps I will find out which cures are not in the book and are on the website. Until then I also have no idea which cures were not allowed. Why are you sure there is a good reason to disallow some of his natural cures? I feel quite the opposite. A serious outbreak of health in this country is the pharmaceutical lobby's biggest nightmare. If the " powers that be " really cared about people's health there wouldn't be such a thing as mandatory vaccinations (especially for troops who are serving our country). I'm bored of talking about this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2005 Report Share Posted September 21, 2005 It is important to realize that the reason that cures for disease and energy answers are both part of the vital paradigm shift.....toward life more abundant .....away from death, hell, and the grave....is that the medicines are made from the oil. They are the same company. .....and they can not control natural answers, so they want to wipe them out. Same entity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2005 Report Share Posted September 21, 2005 Ewwww...! I didn't know the medicines were made from the oil!!??? At 02:15 AM 9/22/2005 +0000, you wrote: >It is important to realize that the reason that cures for disease and >energy answers are both part of the vital paradigm shift.....toward life >more abundant ....away from death, hell, and the grave....is that the >medicines are made from the oil. They are the same company. .....and they >can not control natural answers, so they want to wipe them out. Same entity. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2005 Report Share Posted September 21, 2005 Yes .....most ALL of them. This is a missing piece of information in the minds of most Americans. If it is Natural, if God made it, if you will, then it cannot be patented ......the Oil-Pharma Cartel has a Patent it or Kill it philosophy. The movie Gataca is great flick about a scary future where they might even own your tissue or your blood by patent. Only un-natural things can be patented. Another really odd thing worthy of mention is that all the Chemicals in Chemistry which are supplied by the oil Companies are sold in big fat books called Organic Chemistry. Now this fools alot of folk because trust me this is the opposite from what we health nuts think of as Organic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2005 Report Share Posted September 21, 2005 On what do you base this allegation? Best regards, Celeste Dave(?) wrote: > the medicines are made from the oil. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2005 Report Share Posted September 21, 2005 No worries. They're not. I can think of quite a few that are made from botanicals. Best regards, Celeste Michele Deradune wrote: > Ewwww...! I didn't know the medicines were made from the oil!!??? > > Dave(?) wrote: > > > >the > >medicines are made from the oil. They are the same company. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2005 Report Share Posted September 21, 2005 I was on the front page a few times in Northern Maine with regard to my alcohol production plant. I also have worked with fuel vaporization. Also with coal gasification. I am very familiar with the fractional distillation wherein the various chemicals are collected off the oil. I am familiar with the processes and with the fact that the chemical manufacturers all purchase their chemicals from the same place. While the drug companies are the biggest money makers on wall street followed by the oil companies.....the drugs come from the oil. Those that do not are not patentable and they are usually suppressed.....again I say that the FDA and the AMA and many other three letter agencies think they are GOD, but they are NOT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2005 Report Share Posted September 21, 2005 Yes, Celeste, there are quite a few medicines made from botanicals.....originally before they are synthesized, and many still are extractions, but very few. Why do you think coumidin which originally came from sweet clover is so toxic. The MAJORITY of medicines are synthetic because unless the natural substance is modified ,,,,altered ,,,,or synthesized it can not be patented and tends to be suppressed in accordance with monopolism. Of course, foxglove gave us digitalis and aspen bark gave us aspirin, but these natural discoveries have to be synthesized or they are the enemy......HERBS......and they are synthesized with petrochemicals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2005 Report Share Posted September 21, 2005 Michele Deradune wrote: > Irene -- I'm so sorry you had to go through all that. Good for you for > standing your ground! Thanks! Not that I had a choice:-)) My only other option (which I laughed at) was to sign a document that I would " cease and desist " my business permanently. After 14 years full time training and a lifetime of experience? They HAD to be joking. No lawyer would touch it to help me - " homeo-what? " Uh uh they said, no room for a new client. So I dived into the law library and wrote my own documents in response. Sigh - One should not have to go that far. But I had everything to lose - or retain. > Unfortunately free speech is sometimes disallowed by > economic pressures. For instance, if you want to publish a book that will > be marketed by mainstream book companies they will censor a LOT. I agree. I have published a few times so far - but I did my own publishing as I can't stand being edited :-))) I did a business plan, went to the bank, arranged an ovedraft facility and went ahead. Censorship is also a reason I love the internet and the ability to use a website:-) Big pharma has not beaten email lists yet. > They > simply won't give you the book deal. You gotta self-publish anything controversial or that goes against the " establishment " . It's not that hard with modern software. And you can also do e-books now. Once those sell, you can prove market and get financing. I also self-published a magazine and financed it by having signed ad contracts to be paid on publication of the ad. The bank I went to quibbled at first and I had them get in their lawyers who agreed the contracts were watertight - I just had to publish. So I got the financing and it was my decision what was published. (every copy sold out - it was a huge amount of work.) > I don't know Trudeau's whole > story. I don't think any of us here do, and I don't like to judge a person > without ALL of the information Well it depends on your standards. To me false advertising is not acceptable even for a good product because the product was *not* what was advertised. I prefer to support honest people who are *predictably* on the right track. -- and even then, I don't want to judge a > person based on past sins. The false advertising is a current " sin " , not a past one - but it is in the same style - false statements - not so? > The pharmaceutical companies are THE biggest cartel in world -- even bigger > than oil. They are the ones, in my estimate, that want to prohibit free > speech for natural cures. Oh there is no question about it. But not just the drug companies - also the grain companies like Monsanto and General Mills. Who do think invents the sickening food pyramid full of grains that makes us all sick? These companies (drug and food) have a well funded campaign to do that. I have personal knowledge of some of the activities in the veterinary world concerning the specific campaign to " get rid of the competition from alternative health " - their words not mine - funded by 8 specific pet-related companies (drug and food) with a pilot study on how to achieve it funded by Bayer and Hills specifically. That was followed by an " alliance " with AVMA to implement the findings of the study - the study being to find the most effective way to achieve that goal. There's a multifaceted approach as a result of the study: Vets will carry products of the 8 companies (have you noticed the same ones in every vet clinic? Hills " science diet " that has no meat in it but is supposedly for carnivores for example) in return for the financial support from these 8 organisations for the project. AVMA will develop proposed new legislation to replace current veterinary practice acts in each state that purportedly make them safer for the public but in fact make alternative health forms all illegal. (Shades of 1928 or so all over again.) I could go on but this is not the forum. The replacement law has been promoted and passed in some states already - and in Illinois fast action has managed to overturn that one - but big pharma has bucks and alternative health does not.... And the public who NEED to have a choice - are unaware how their rights are being undermined under their noses while IMO rotten products are being jammed down the throats of their pets and injected under the guise of disease prevention (but they cause it instead) from vet clinics. It sucks - is a mild way of putting it. Namaste, Irene -- Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220. www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.) Proverb:Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2005 Report Share Posted September 21, 2005 a1thighmaster wrote: > I also find it interesting that Trudeau is primarily a salesman. > He's not a doctor True but a doctor is the LAST person I'd believe on *alternative* health issues:-))) So that's in his favour. You do not need to be an expert in a field to be able to gather and publish information about it - only to make judgements about it. > He has no credentials It does seem he is short of SOME kind of credentials - in something:-)) Even if it is just in information research. ....IRene -- Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2005 Report Share Posted September 21, 2005 I will reiterate that in the three cds that I listened to by Trudeau I began to go mad from his reapeating himself but continued to wade through it, I stopped listening because of technical errors......research errors ......when he hit about three I stopped putting in cds...there were twelve ....I only listened to three....because I insist upon professionalism and accuracy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2005 Report Share Posted September 21, 2005 Michele Deradune wrote: > A serious outbreak of health in this > country is the pharmaceutical lobby's biggest nightmare. Ah but I hereby award you the Emmy or whatever award is its equivalent for the best phraseololgy to sum up the situaiton :-))) Love it!!!! ...Irene -- Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2005 Report Share Posted September 21, 2005 hopetek@... wrote: << Another really odd thing worthy of mention is that all the Chemicals in Chemistry which are supplied by the oil Companies are sold in big fat books called Organic Chemistry. Now this fools alot of folk because trust me this is the opposite from what we health nuts think of as Organic.>> Aint that the truth! I learned chemistry before " organic " food and I stayed away from " organic " food for quite a while!!!! The food is misnamed, not the chemicals :-(( Like the word " natural " , the word " organic " covers the good, the bad and the ugly - making it meaningless (unless you specifically define what aspect of each you have in mind - a pain.) .....Irene -- Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220. www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.) Proverb:Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2005 Report Share Posted September 21, 2005 a1thighmaster wrote: > On what do you base this allegation? > > Best regards, > Celeste > > Dave(?) wrote: > >>the medicines are made from the oil. It's true. I used to work in medical research (Creighton University Omaha)and oddly also worked in corporate BP and Shell oil :-) It's not a big deal - oil consists of hydrocarbon compounds and hydrocarbons are the backbone of drugs - hydrocarbon molecules are readily manipulated chemically - you already know that because you know oil companies produce all manner of different products from the same crude oil :-)) So the same hydrocarbons are a logical basis for drug manufacture too - easy to manipulate chemically. .....Irene -- Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220. www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.) Proverb:Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 22, 2005 Report Share Posted September 22, 2005 On Wednesday 21 September 2005 5:10 pm, a1thighmaster wrote: > Which of Trudeau's cures are banned? What do they consist of? It > seems likely that there's a good reason for them to be banned. > > I also find it interesting that Trudeau is primarily a salesman. > He's not a doctor nor a nutritionist nor any other sort of health > professional. He has no credentials or documented proof of any sort to > back what he's selling. He's not sharing anything. There's no free > information on his web site. > > Best regards, > Celeste I'm not a fan of the guy but nevertheless, if he wasn't a salesman, one most likely would never have heard of him of the posiblities beyond mainstream medicine. The bottom line is that he is creating public debate and public awareness of alternatives to the patent-only-maintain-don't-cure-disease-to-max-profits business that is currently the medical model. -- Steve - dudescholar1@... " The brothers flew right through the smoke screen of impossibility. " -- F. Kettering Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 22, 2005 Report Share Posted September 22, 2005 good wording Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2005 Report Share Posted September 24, 2005 Yeah, I will not say I am not suspicious of Trudeau but I am far more suspicious of those Trudeau implicates in corruption. I take him as this- a health pundit. Like many political pundits, knowledgeable and often much more accurate and truthful than the politicians themselves though not without the ability to be corrupted his or herself. Trudeau - maybe that way with conventional doctor's and scientists while arming himself with knowledge from other Real doctor's who are anti-drug by theme. I read his book and therefore I know that he does get very specific and most complaints come from the fact that he tells you methods and products without specifications like brand names and places to get the products. What he is, is essentially a whistle-blower if you look at him from the perspective of a positive spin. His site is highly under construction and I am not particularly happy with it either but I am waiting before I feel like blowing any whistles on him. Yes I am familiar with the charges against him but I really do think people will have to eat their words when they start to understand the grand scheme of corruption in the pharmaceutical industry and the food industry. Trudeau's basic philosophy revolves around as little of the unnatural as possible and As much natural as is necessary and problems are prevented or cured if it is not too late as in at- any-point terminal cases. I think most of us on this list already subscribe to that idea anyway. Most of his book attempts to get you into the state of mind of how we have been manipulated and the specific instances in how facts are twisted and how we have been essentially disabled by our own societal structure as far as dependence on toxic substances and products that produce toxic wastes. He is not talking about anything new or radical IMO. His ideas go all the way back to the beginning of time in some ways but even just back to the twenties and thirties when machines were used to correct cancerous cells. Being familiar with numerous of Trudeau's sources, even if I were not to have any trust in Trudeau at all whatsoever I would still have thousands of sources to contend with that all point to the same things. But regardless of that, thank you who gave me the skin brushing information and I am going to look that up right now. P.S. If you want this to be about Kombucha - He mentions it once on his website. I know-suspicious indeed but still under construction. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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