Guest guest Posted September 24, 2005 Report Share Posted September 24, 2005 The ones bashing Tredeau are money hungry, blood thirsty, and ruthless who have no ethics or morals. If you were corrupt to the core and someone was exposing how corrupt you were would you recommend their book??? Wake up. The media is owned by major corporations only interested in money. Jim Trudeau > > I saw on The Today Show that he is under investigation for not only false > claims but unhappy consumers state that he speaks of cure but the book has > no > details. He has been in trouble with the law before. Just thought you'd > want > to know for a fuller picture. > > In a message dated 9/23/2005 2:26:44 P.M. Central Standard Time, > kombucha tea writes: > > Trudeau book which I found fascinating although many people find > it only > complimentary to the usage of his web-site if you're thinking of > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2005 Report Share Posted September 24, 2005 I recommend reading the book and judging for yourself. Even if everything that can not be verified (which is well over 50% in my opinion) was ignored, the verifiable facts in his book are impossible for anyone who cares to ignore. He lists about a hundred books written by PhDs to substantiate his claims, as well as referring to court cases which can also be verified. Of course most people will just do what they've always done and ignore the real source of their health problems: corporate greed. They do NOT care about your health. What doesn't kill us (quickly) does NOT always make us stronger, and the pharmaceutical industry is betting on it (and making a killing- literally). How often have drugs been pulled because they killed thousands of people and the drug companies knew it would happen in advance and yet the FDA approved them? More times than you can guess. How many people are actually cured of cancer or AIDS by standard medicine? Rarely, if ever. And yet, thousands of people are cured of cancer and AIDS every year using natural remedies. Something that the pharmaceutical industry does not want you to know- there's no profit in curing people when they can charge you for an expensive drug that you have to take until you die. Jim Re: Trudeau > Yeah, I will not say I am not suspicious of Trudeau but I am far more > suspicious of those Trudeau implicates in corruption. I take him as this- > a health > pundit. Like many political pundits, knowledgeable and often much more > accurate and truthful than the politicians themselves though not without > the > ability to be corrupted his or herself. Trudeau - maybe that way with > conventional > doctor's and scientists while arming himself with knowledge from other > Real > doctor's who are anti-drug by theme. I read his book and therefore I > know > that he does get very specific and most complaints come from the fact > that he > tells you methods and products without specifications like brand names > and > places to get the products. What he is, is essentially a whistle-blower > if you > look at him from the perspective of a positive spin. His site is highly > under > construction and I am not particularly happy with it either but I am > waiting > before I feel like blowing any whistles on him. Yes I am familiar with > the > charges against him but I really do think people will have to eat their > words > when they start to understand the grand scheme of corruption in the > pharmaceutical industry and the food industry. Trudeau's basic philosophy > revolves > around as little of the unnatural as possible and As much natural as is > necessary > and problems are prevented or cured if it is not too late as in at- > any-point > terminal cases. I think most of us on this list already subscribe to that > idea anyway. Most of his book attempts to get you into the state of mind > of how > we have been manipulated and the specific instances in how facts are > twisted > and how we have been essentially disabled by our own societal structure > as > far as dependence on toxic substances and products that produce toxic > wastes. > He is not talking about anything new or radical IMO. His ideas go all the > way > back to the beginning of time in some ways but even just back to the > twenties and thirties when machines were used to correct cancerous cells. > Being > familiar with numerous of Trudeau's sources, even if I were not to have > any trust > in Trudeau at all whatsoever I would still have thousands of sources to > contend with that all point to the same things. But regardless of that, > thank you > who gave me the skin brushing information and I am going to look that up > right now. > P.S. If you want this to be about Kombucha - He mentions it once on his > website. I know-suspicious indeed but still under construction. . > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2005 Report Share Posted September 24, 2005 I don't know anything about , Jim. But you certainly hit the nail on the head generally speaking! Jane Trudeau > > >> >> I saw on The Today Show that he is under investigation for not only false >> claims but unhappy consumers state that he speaks of cure but the book >> has >> no >> details. He has been in trouble with the law before. Just thought you'd >> want >> to know for a fuller picture. >> >> In a message dated 9/23/2005 2:26:44 P.M. Central Standard Time, >> kombucha tea writes: >> >> Trudeau book which I found fascinating although many people find >> it only >> complimentary to the usage of his web-site if you're thinking of >> >> >> >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2005 Report Share Posted September 27, 2005 Hi , I read an article that said basically the same thing. Why pay so much for a book and website when there are so many that are free on the net and have all the information one wants? Judy > > I saw on The Today Show that he is under investigation for not only false > claims but unhappy consumers state that he speaks of cure but the book has no > details. He has been in trouble with the law before. Just thought you'd want > to know for a fuller picture. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2005 Report Share Posted September 27, 2005 My library system has 18 copies and all are checked out and 35 people are waiting for it. You will find it in most libraries now. If it's not there now it will soon be. You don't have to pay for it but I'm glad I did. Most helpful information is suppressed. There is way more disinformation available than helpful information. THAT is why I recommend the book. Jim Re: Trudeau > Hi , > I read an article that said basically the same thing. Why pay so much > for a book and website when there are so many that are free on the net > and have all the information one wants? > > Judy > > > >> >> I saw on The Today Show that he is under investigation for not only > false >> claims but unhappy consumers state that he speaks of cure but the > book has no >> details. He has been in trouble with the law before. Just thought > you'd want >> to know for a fuller picture. >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2005 Report Share Posted September 27, 2005 Jim, I agree with you on everything except the fact that what you get with Trudeau at a price, you can get more of for free on the internet. Judy > The ones bashing Tredeau are money hungry, blood thirsty, and ruthless > who have no ethics or morals. If you were corrupt to the core and someone > was exposing how corrupt you were would you recommend their book??? Wake > up. The media is owned by major corporations only interested in money. > > Jim > > > Trudeau > > > > > > I saw on The Today Show that he is under investigation for not only false > > claims but unhappy consumers state that he speaks of cure but the book has > > no > > details. He has been in trouble with the law before. Just thought you'd > > want > > to know for a fuller picture. > > > > In a message dated 9/23/2005 2:26:44 P.M. Central Standard Time, > > kombucha tea writes: > > > > Trudeau book which I found fascinating although many people find > > it only > > complimentary to the usage of his web-site if you're thinking of > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2005 Report Share Posted October 2, 2005 Trudeau can be seen in a positive light as an exemplary Everyman -- as a person who has become self-realized in understanding the putrid alliance of government and the pharmaceutical industry in disease management, and then finding some of the many small ways we can protect ourselves and our communities. And List, if you don't watch it, natural health care will continue in its devolution of becoming just another industry focused on picking your pocket. Never compromise in the unending battles for the sovereign rights of the individual in healthcare and nutrition. The government and industry are tireless in finding ways to make you sick and then making you think that they are doing you a favor with their laws and their prescriptions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 22, 2005 Report Share Posted December 22, 2005 Hi , in my seek to recover from this nasty disease I also went after all the information I could on RA and how to fight it. During this time I also did alot of work on my mindset/way of thinking to create healing and it was during this time that I was taught that what we focus most on is what we will manifest in our lives. I understood this to mean that while I continued my focus only on RA cures, I was, in fact helping the RA to continue. I changed my focus instead to how to achieve and maintain optimum health, realizing that the RA was just a symptom of a body in need of care. This worked amazingly well for me and wanted to share this with you, of course you will find your own way. In reference to your question on finding websites not connected to anything I offer this information. Websites will most often be connected to some form of compensation because it takes money and a lot of time to develope a quality website. There are free services but not with the required band width or reliability that a quality site needs to be a reliable site that loads quickly when people want to access the site. Dorey www.LivingWithRheumatoidArthritis.com ----- Original Message ----- From: " R. Peek " <wendyhollander@...> <Rheumatoid Arthritis > Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 2:16 PM Subject: Trudeau >I know this is going to sound very kevin trudeau-ish, but does anyone have >any good R.A. > websites that aren't somehow connected with the drug companies and/or > insurance > companies? I would like to get TRULY unbiased info about this disease and > possible > cures/management. > wendy from birmingham > age 38 > > >> >> Here's a link to a site I used early in my RA to learn some things about >> it. I haven't used > the site in about a year but it was good the last time I used it. > http://arthritisinsight.com/ > medical/meds/ The Arthritis Foundation > http://www.arthritis.org/conditions/DrugGuide/ > index.asp also has a lot of information about drugs but when I have looked > things up they > seemed to be more detailed and less readable. I hope one or both of these > sites helps > you. God bless. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: snowdrift52003 >> Rheumatoid Arthritis >> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 3:51 PM >> Subject: Talking to doc update >> >> >> I called my rheumy's office and scheduled an appt. for Jan. 11 to >> discuss my thoughts about biological meds. I was amazed that I got an >> appointment so soon. I feel a sense of relief. Can anyone provide a >> link >> to a good article about use of biological meds in treatment of early >> RA? >> I'd like to bring some info. with me when I meet with her. >> >> Your support helped me take this step. Thank you. >> >> Sierra >> >> >> >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2005 Report Share Posted December 23, 2005 , If there was a cure..NONE of use would be here....There are NO cures for auto-immune disease. Only good management leading to hopeful remissions. I have had one so far that lasted nine months. Read the archaives on this list and many others on and you will get a real picture of what life is with RA. For some they do well for most...its living hell with no end in site!! Toni > > > > Here's a link to a site I used early in my RA to learn some things about it. I haven't used > the site in about a year but it was good the last time I used it. http://arthritisinsight.com/ > medical/meds/ The Arthritis Foundation http://www.arthritis.org/conditions/DrugGuide/ > index.asp also has a lot of information about drugs but when I have looked things up they > seemed to be more detailed and less readable. I hope one or both of these sites helps > you. God bless. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: snowdrift52003 > > Rheumatoid Arthritis > > Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 3:51 PM > > Subject: Talking to doc update > > > > > > I called my rheumy's office and scheduled an appt. for Jan. 11 to > > discuss my thoughts about biological meds. I was amazed that I got an > > appointment so soon. I feel a sense of relief. Can anyone provide a link > > to a good article about use of biological meds in treatment of early RA? > > I'd like to bring some info. with me when I meet with her. > > > > Your support helped me take this step. Thank you. > > > > Sierra > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2005 Report Share Posted December 23, 2005 For a lot of information I use Google with the subject I want to find out about and also s Hopkins in the search string because they have a lot of information that seems to be unbiased. I also go to http://rheumamisfits.com/forums/ that has a message board that is not affiliated with anything or anyone. It has a lot of information from people who have RA or a related disease and also has a lot of friendly chatter not related to RA. The owner funds it completely on her own for the pleasure of having a free-style message board and she does not accept donations to help defray the costs nor does she accept any advertising. The humor is sometimes more crude than I like but is not vulgar. ----- Original Message ----- From: R. Peek Rheumatoid Arthritis Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 2:16 PM Subject: Trudeau I know this is going to sound very kevin trudeau-ish, but does anyone have any good R.A. websites that aren't somehow connected with the drug companies and/or insurance companies? I would like to get TRULY unbiased info about this disease and possible cures/management.wendy from birminghamage 38 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 24, 2005 Report Share Posted December 24, 2005 thanks toni. i realize there is no " cure " , but am hoping to minimize my meds as much as possible. i have been suffering with RA for several years now and have at times been in the " living hell " of not being able to dress myself, turn doorknobs, etc. Prednisone and sulfasalazine and plaquanil have helped me greatly, but now I'm trying to get pregnant and have dropped the Plaq. I'd like to drop the others, but enjoy being able to dress and turn doorknobs. I'm just looking for anything/everything that can help, particularly at this weird time in my life (trying to get pregnant). I like Harold's recommendation about the rheumamisfits board and the s Hopkins info. tell me about your remission. wendy > > , > If there was a cure..NONE of use would be here....There are NO cures > for auto-immune disease. Only good management leading to hopeful > remissions. I have had one so far that lasted nine months. > > Read the archaives on this list and many others on and you will > get a real picture of what life is with RA. For some they do well > for most...its living hell with no end in site!! > > Toni Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 24, 2005 Report Share Posted December 24, 2005 I have good management of my RA and feel that still working after 25 years is actually a success story. My life has been more limited, especially as far as social life and active hobbies but I would never call it a living hell. I've got a long way to go to reach that point. Maybe you should look at some of these non medical coping strategies to reduce stress, which does play a part in RA. Since I have lost the link I will cut and paste it below. Strategies for Reducing Stress We often speak of stress as something outside of us, as something that's imposed on us totally against our will. In actual fact, stressors are imposed on us; stress is what we experience. In other words, stress isn't caused by events and people we encounter, but by the ways in which we interpret these experiences. For example, suppose your boss comes in to your office (your brother/sister comes in to your room, your teacher comes up to your desk, etc.) with a criticism of your work (your housework, your homework, etc.). The boss's criticism isn't the cause of your stress; your reaction to it is. The thing is, your boss can't upset you; only the interpretations you make about your boss's behaviour can upset you, which means that you can control many of the feelings that increase your experience of stress. We're often inclined to reject this idea because accepting that we can control our feelings means that we can't blame others for making us feel a certain way. In essence, it means taking responsibility for the way we feel. Depending on how you interpret a given situation, you may feel satisfaction, pride, enjoyment, fun, contentment or challenge. On the other hand, you could just as easily (in fact in many cases more easily) feel depressed, anxious, worried, sad, helpless or even hopeless. The latter feelings are uniformly negative, and each one of them is associated with increased stress. If you react negatively to a situation, in other words, you experience increased stress; react positively, and you feel less stress. Psychologist Albert Ellis describes our response to stressors as an 'A-B-C' sequence of behaviour: AACTION(event) BBELIEF(interpretation) CCONSEQUENCE(behavioural or emotional response)To see how the formula works, try inserting the 'encounter with your boss' into the formula. That reveals two possibilities: Pattern A: Stress Boss questionsthe quality ofyour work(event) 'Here we goagain — moreproof that I'ma failure'(interpretation) Depression, lowself-esteem(response)Another way of experiencing the same event, though, would produce the following: Pattern B: Relaxation and Coping Boss questionsthe quality ofyour work(event) 'I wonder whathe means; perhapsI can learn some-thing here.'(interpretation) Feelings of masteryand self-confidence(response)The point of Patterns A and B is fairly obvious: Any event is open to interpretation — in either a positive or negative way — and how you interpret that event will in large part determine what your response will be. Your interpretations are heavily influenced by your attitudes about yourself (self-esteem) and your attitudes about what's good or bad, what you do or don't need and what causes what in the world. These attitudes are learned, usually in early childhood, but they can be unlearned as an adult. Negative attitudes are like any other bad habit. Don't let yourself feel bad just because you have bad thinking habits. There are two basic ways of achieving a positive response to events: One, you can try to change things and events outside of yourself (your job, friends, where you live), so that it's easy to respond positively to everything that happens to you. Or, two, you can change things within yourself so that your interpretations of your experiences are more positive, thereby changing your feelings about them. And, yes, you can change some of your surroundings and circumstances, but, let's face it, it's a lot easier to change yourself than it is to change the rest of the world. Neither change is simple, of course, but at least the second choice — changing your own interpretation of events — is something over which you can exert some real control. And there's a real payback for making the effort: If you do alter the way you react to and interpret experience, if you do manage to adopt a more positive response to events, you'll reduce the amount of stress you experience. Of course, making real changes in the way you think isn't going to happen overnight. It's going to take time and effort and self-examination. Start with a few basic approaches. The following chart, from E.J. Neidhardt of the Western Center Health Group, will give you an idea of some attitudes that can prevent or promote stress management success. Think about the way you react to things; do your reactions come under the positive or negative columns? Negative Attitudes Positive Attitudes 1. My stress reactions are caused by external events and other people. 1. My stress reactions are usually my own creation. 2. My stress reactions are outside my control. 2. I can learn to manage my stress reactions. 3. Stress is an automatic response that can't be helped. 3. Stress is a learned response, and can also learn to counteract it. 4. If I don't feel under stress or pressure, I won't achieve as much. 4. If my energy can be freed from stress, it will be available for other things I want to do. It's not easy to throw off the habits of a lifetime. If you sincerely want to learn to adopt the attitudes in the right-hand column, don't be afraid to ask for help. A social worker, psychologist or psychotherapist can help immensely in this kind of journey. They can't do it all themselves — you have to make an effort — but they can facilitate your learning by providing feedback, problem-solving techniques, a supportive environment for practice and an objective indication or assessment of your progress. Keep in mind that stress and pain are inextricably linked. If you're suffering pain, your stress levels rise; if you're under stress, your pain levels increase. Thus, the same non-medicinal techniques you use to relieve pain — including rest and energy conservation, sleep, and especially relaxation strategies, such as imagery, focusing and self-hypnosis, distraction and 'Flow' — are helpful in reducing stress. Another essential practice is proper breathing Annette On 12/24/05, R. Peek <wendyhollander@...> wrote: thanks toni. i realize there is no " cure " , but am hoping to minimize my meds as much as possible. i have been suffering with RA for several years now and have at times been in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 24, 2005 Report Share Posted December 24, 2005 , I tried a bunch of different stuff. I used evening primrose oil, fish oil and a few other suppliments. They really didn't do much for me. I went into 9 month remission and was on NO meds after having weight loss surgery (lapband) I truly think the drastic change in diet and exercise made a world of difference. At the end of the none months I started to have problems again and its just gotten worst and worst. I have gone through three rheummies. The first one was great and moved away and the second one was total quack it did not listen to me at all. All I was was a peice of meat and lab tests. I started on Arava, pred and a bunch of other stuff with my first rheummy. When he moved away I had no care for a year. Then came rheummy two, he changed all my meds around and stopped the arava. He then started me on MTX and that is when all the trouble started. It made me sick as dog from day one!!!! Vomiting, diarrhea, nausea, dizziness, and headaches...then I got a cough that would not go away and he ignorred me for a month. I finally went to my PCP who stopped the drug immediately. I had a protential fatal side effect called drug induced pneumonitis. I could not talk, eat or sleep. All I did was cough, gag, throw up and gasp for breath. Fourtunately my lungs did recover and with no permenent damage. Then my stupid rheummy wanted me back on MTX but on injections...so desperate for relief and trusting my doc I started taking it...again came nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, dizziness, headache, mouth sores, eye sores, throat sores, genetalia sores, I was absolutely misrable I spent my time on the bathroom floor. It was getting so bad that I didn't get to the bathroom all the time and going out anywhere proved to be a very embarrasing experience. But my doc said my labs looked great keep taking the " poison " . He even upped my folic acid to 5mg a day and leukovorin once a week to try and stop the side effects and nothiong working. My red and white counts went to crap! Finally I told him ENOUGH!!!! No more posion. At the same time I also was started with enbrel. During this 9 month period of time it was hard to tell if anything did any good I was took sick otherwise to tell. I decided to have weight loss surgery (lapband) I had to stop all meds two weeks before surgery. I was so happy to be free of shots, pills and all the side effects. I had surgery and it was great afterward..no pain, swelling or other problems. This went on for 9 months. I went back to see quack rheummy and he wanted me back on MTX when my symptoms started to return and my lab work was not good. I made lots of excuses...there was a shortage and my pharmacy never had any when I went. He then started talking Humira...too expensive...health plan won't cover it. I keep stalling him and making excuses as he had told me he was moving away. Now I have a good rheummy that is very conservative and moves at MY pace. We stopped all meds and started all over. Since weightloss surgery many meds are off limits or have to be used with caustion due to my small pouch and its sensitive to meds that can cause ulcers or irritation. So I don't take oral steriods...only shots when absolutely needed. No NSAIDS...since they removed Bextra off the market there are really aren't any I am suppose to take. But I had to have something so I take lodine XL only when needed and then I have to take it with Nexium when I can get samples or Prilosec. He started me on antibiotic therapy. Doxycycline. It went OK for a few weeks then it started making me sick to my stomach...I had to stop it. I can't afford ulcers in my small pouch. So he started Plaquinil. I have been on that a few months now. I have not noticed any real difference..things have just gotten worst. Then again since I have been free of meds for so long I rarely remember to take it as prescribed. So now he wants to add Humira...but I will stall him until the summer. I have a few projects and trips and I don't want to be burdened with carrying this stuff around and hoping I can keep it cold. PLus I hear it burns so that is a real turn off. Next problem is my insurance is not going to pay for it. So that pretty much says it...no Humira or any biologic for me cause I can't afford it. I am also going to check out harolds suggestion as well. I just wish they would invent some sort of pill...Very small preferable...cause that is another problem I have since having surgery. I can not get large pills down...they get stuck and make me real sick. Toni > > > > , > > If there was a cure..NONE of use would be here....There are NO cures > > for auto-immune disease. Only good management leading to hopeful > > remissions. I have had one so far that lasted nine months. > > > > Read the archaives on this list and many others on and you will > > get a real picture of what life is with RA. For some they do well > > for most...its living hell with no end in site!! > > > > Toni > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 24, 2005 Report Share Posted December 24, 2005 Plaquenil is one of those drugs you need to take every day, at the same time, as scheduled, or it's a waste of time to take it at all. It takes several months to see the effects, but it's also the drug with the least side-effects and has been around a long time. I've been on it for about 13 years and it's worked very well for me. ----- Original Message ----- From: Ms radar Rheumatoid Arthritis Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2005 4:49 PM Subject: Re: Trudeau ,I tried a bunch of different stuff. I used evening primrose oil, fish oil and a few other suppliments. They really didn't do much for me. I went into 9 month remission and was on NO meds after having weight loss surgery (lapband) I truly think the drastic change in diet and exercise made a world of difference. At the end of the none months I started to have problems again and its just gotten worst and worst. I have gone through three rheummies. The first one was great and moved away and the second one was total quack it did not listen to me at all. All I was was a peice of meat and lab tests. I started on Arava, pred and a bunch of other stuff with my first rheummy. When he moved away I had no care for a year. Then came rheummy two, he changed all my meds around and stopped the arava. He then started me on MTX and that is when all the trouble started. It made me sick as dog from day one!!!! Vomiting, diarrhea, nausea, dizziness, and headaches...then I got a cough that would not go away and he ignorred me for a month. I finally went to my PCP who stopped the drug immediately. I had a protential fatal side effect called drug induced pneumonitis. I could not talk, eat or sleep. All I did was cough, gag, throw up and gasp for breath. Fourtunately my lungs did recover and with no permenent damage. Then my stupid rheummy wanted me back on MTX but on injections...so desperate for relief and trusting my doc I started taking it...again came nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, dizziness, headache, mouth sores, eye sores, throat sores, genetalia sores, I was absolutely misrable I spent my time on the bathroom floor. It was getting so bad that I didn't get to the bathroom all the time and going out anywhere proved to be a very embarrasing experience. But my doc said my labs looked great keep taking the "poison". He even upped my folic acid to 5mg a day and leukovorin once a week to try and stop the side effects and nothiong working. My red and white counts went to crap! Finally I told him ENOUGH!!!! No more posion. At the same time I also was started with enbrel. During this 9 month period of time it was hard to tell if anything did any good I was took sick otherwise to tell.I decided to have weight loss surgery (lapband) I had to stop all meds two weeks before surgery. I was so happy to be free of shots, pills and all the side effects. I had surgery and it was great afterward..no pain, swelling or other problems. This went on for 9 months. I went back to see quack rheummy and he wanted me back on MTX when my symptoms started to return and my lab work was not good. I made lots of excuses...there was a shortage and my pharmacy never had any when I went. He then started talking Humira...too expensive...health plan won't cover it. I keep stalling him and making excuses as he had told me he was moving away.Now I have a good rheummy that is very conservative and moves at MY pace. We stopped all meds and started all over. Since weightloss surgery many meds are off limits or have to be used with caustion due to my small pouch and its sensitive to meds that can cause ulcers or irritation. So I don't take oral steriods...only shots when absolutely needed. No NSAIDS...since they removed Bextra off the market there are really aren't any I am suppose to take. But I had to have something so I take lodine XL only when needed and then I have to take it with Nexium when I can get samples or Prilosec.He started me on antibiotic therapy. Doxycycline. It went OK for a few weeks then it started making me sick to my stomach...I had to stop it. I can't afford ulcers in my small pouch. So he started Plaquinil. I have been on that a few months now. I have not noticed any real difference..things have just gotten worst. Then again since I have been free of meds for so long I rarely remember to take it as prescribed. So now he wants to add Humira...but I will stall him until the summer. I have a few projects and trips and I don't want to be burdened with carrying this stuff around and hoping I can keep it cold. PLus I hear it burns so that is a real turn off. Next problem is my insurance is not going to pay for it. So that pretty much says it...no Humira or any biologic for me cause I can't afford it.I am also going to check out harolds suggestion as well. I just wish they would invent some sort of pill...Very small preferable...cause that is another problem I have since having surgery. I can not get large pills down...they get stuck and make me real sick.Toni> >> > ,> > If there was a cure..NONE of use would be here....There are NO cures > > for auto-immune disease. Only good management leading to hopeful > > remissions. I have had one so far that lasted nine months. > > > > Read the archaives on this list and many others on and you will > > get a real picture of what life is with RA. For some they do well > > for most...its living hell with no end in site!!> > > > Toni> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 25, 2005 Report Share Posted December 25, 2005 Excellent posting Annette, thank you for this. Dorey ----- Original Message ----- From: Annette McKinnon Rheumatoid Arthritis Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2005 5:43 AM Subject: Re: Re: Trudeau I have good management of my RA and feel that still working after 25 years is actually a success story. My life has been more limited, especially as far as social life and active hobbies but I would never call it a living hell. I've got a long way to go to reach that point. Maybe you should look at some of these non medical coping strategies to reduce stress, which does play a part in RA. Since I have lost the link I will cut and paste it below. Strategies for Reducing Stress We often speak of stress as something outside of us, as something that's imposed on us totally against our will. In actual fact, stressors are imposed on us; stress is what we experience. In other words, stress isn't caused by events and people we encounter, but by the ways in which we interpret these experiences. For example, suppose your boss comes in to your office (your brother/sister comes in to your room, your teacher comes up to your desk, etc.) with a criticism of your work (your housework, your homework, etc.). The boss's criticism isn't the cause of your stress; your reaction to it is. The thing is, your boss can't upset you; only the interpretations you make about your boss's behaviour can upset you, which means that you can control many of the feelings that increase your experience of stress. We're often inclined to reject this idea because accepting that we can control our feelings means that we can't blame others for making us feel a certain way. In essence, it means taking responsibility for the way we feel. Depending on how you interpret a given situation, you may feel satisfaction, pride, enjoyment, fun, contentment or challenge. On the other hand, you could just as easily (in fact in many cases more easily) feel depressed, anxious, worried, sad, helpless or even hopeless. The latter feelings are uniformly negative, and each one of them is associated with increased stress. If you react negatively to a situation, in other words, you experience increased stress; react positively, and you feel less stress. Psychologist Albert Ellis describes our response to stressors as an 'A-B-C' sequence of behaviour: A ACTION (event) B BELIEF (interpretation) C CONSEQUENCE (behavioural or emotional response) To see how the formula works, try inserting the 'encounter with your boss' into the formula. That reveals two possibilities: Pattern A: Stress Boss questions the quality of your work (event) 'Here we go again — more proof that I'm a failure' (interpretation) Depression, low self-esteem (response) Another way of experiencing the same event, though, would produce the following: Pattern B: Relaxation and Coping Boss questions the quality of your work (event) 'I wonder what he means; perhaps I can learn some- thing here.' (interpretation) Feelings of mastery and self-confidence (response) The point of Patterns A and B is fairly obvious: Any event is open to interpretation — in either a positive or negative way — and how you interpret that event will in large part determine what your response will be. Your interpretations are heavily influenced by your attitudes about yourself (self-esteem) and your attitudes about what's good or bad, what you do or don't need and what causes what in the world. These attitudes are learned, usually in early childhood, but they can be unlearned as an adult. Negative attitudes are like any other bad habit. Don't let yourself feel bad just because you have bad thinking habits. There are two basic ways of achieving a positive response to events: One, you can try to change things and events outside of yourself (your job, friends, where you live), so that it's easy to respond positively to everything that happens to you. Or, two, you can change things within yourself so that your interpretations of your experiences are more positive, thereby changing your feelings about them. And, yes, you can change some of your surroundings and circumstances, but, let's face it, it's a lot easier to change yourself than it is to change the rest of the world. Neither change is simple, of course, but at least the second choice — changing your own interpretation of events — is something over which you can exert some real control. And there's a real payback for making the effort: If you do alter the way you react to and interpret experience, if you do manage to adopt a more positive response to events, you'll reduce the amount of stress you experience. Of course, making real changes in the way you think isn't going to happen overnight. It's going to take time and effort and self-examination. Start with a few basic approaches. The following chart, from E.J. Neidhardt of the Western Center Health Group, will give you an idea of some attitudes that can prevent or promote stress management success. Think about the way you react to things; do your reactions come under the positive or negative columns? Negative Attitudes Positive Attitudes 1. My stress reactions are caused by external events and other people. 1. My stress reactions are usually my own creation. 2. My stress reactions are outside my control. 2. I can learn to manage my stress reactions. 3. Stress is an automatic response that can't be helped. 3. Stress is a learned response, and can also learn to counteract it. 4. If I don't feel under stress or pressure, I won't achieve as much. 4. If my energy can be freed from stress, it will be available for other things I want to do. It's not easy to throw off the habits of a lifetime. If you sincerely want to learn to adopt the attitudes in the right-hand column, don't be afraid to ask for help. A social worker, psychologist or psychotherapist can help immensely in this kind of journey. They can't do it all themselves — you have to make an effort — but they can facilitate your learning by providing feedback, problem-solving techniques, a supportive environment for practice and an objective indication or assessment of your progress. Keep in mind that stress and pain are inextricably linked. If you're suffering pain, your stress levels rise; if you're under stress, your pain levels increase. Thus, the same non-medicinal techniques you use to relieve pain — including rest and energy conservation, sleep, and especially relaxation strategies, such as imagery, focusing and self-hypnosis, distraction and 'Flow' — are helpful in reducing stress. Another essential practice is proper breathing Annette On 12/24/05, R. Peek <wendyhollander@...> wrote: thanks toni. i realize there is no " cure " , but am hoping to minimize my meds as much as possible. i have been suffering with RA for several years now and have at times been in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2005 Report Share Posted December 31, 2005 In a message dated 12/27/2005 2:06:29 P.M. Central Standard Time, ddorey@... writes: Hi , in my seek to recover from this nasty disease I also went after all the information I could on RA and how to fight it. During this time I also did alot of work on my mindset/way of thinking to create healing and it was during this time that I was taught that what we focus most on is what we will manifest in our lives. I understood this to mean that while I continued my focus only on RA cures, I was, in fact helping the RA to continue. I changed my focus instead to how to achieve and maintain optimum health, realizing that the RA was just a symptom of a body in need of care. This worked amazingly well for me and wanted to share this with you, of course you will find your own way. Funny, I don't look at RA that way and I pretty much just do whatever my Rheumy tells me, then my GP tells me stuff that the Rheumy didn't bother to tell me. Not knowing what to expect from the meds and the disease, I've left it up to the doctors to tell me what to expect. I've always had problems with my immune system, was born with a virus, so I figured that my immune system finally "gave up". Never thought of it as something that I was doing wrong. I've been exhausted for years and unable to exercize, didn't know it was from RA until started taking Enbrel and my GP said the exhaustion was from RA. Becky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 30, 2006 Report Share Posted April 30, 2006 Hi: Is this a scam artist or is this the establishment attacking him for telling what " they " don't want us to know??? If he is a scam artist, it is too bad that people like this take advantage of people's intuitive awareness that the medical establishment is corrupt and pushes its own false cures, while calling all less-invasive complimentary or holistic medicine quackery. I am unaware of the content of this person's book or why he was arrested before. Is he really a scam artist? I have no idea. What do you think? Has anyone on the list read the book? At 04:22 PM 4/26/2006, you wrote: >I'd like to share with you an interesting article from Scientific >American. Please see http://tinyurl.com/s6kaz > >Best regards, >Celeste > > > > > > >Note: This forum is for discussion of health related subjects but >under no circumstances should any information published here be >considered a substitute for personal medical advice from a qualified >physician. -the owner > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 2, 2006 Report Share Posted May 2, 2006 I've seen the book (a friend's copy) and skimmed through it. IMHO, Trudeau is a scammer. Best regards, Celeste Brown wrote: > Is he > really a scam artist? I have no idea. What do you think? Has > anyone on the list read the book? > > Celeste wrote: > >I'd like to share with you an interesting article from Scientific > >American. Please see http://tinyurl.com/s6kaz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 2, 2006 Report Share Posted May 2, 2006 -I have not read the book. My mother has it. I will try to look at it, but I don't know if he is a scammer or not. The times I have seen him on TV, I have agreed with what he was discussing. It seemed to match what I have learned through Clayton College of Natural Health. He is right about big pharm. they don't want a cure there isn't any money in cures. -- In Longevity , " a1thighmaster " <thighmaster@...> wrote: > > I've seen the book (a friend's copy) and skimmed through it. IMHO, > Trudeau is a scammer. > > Best regards, > Celeste > > Brown wrote: > > Is he > > really a scam artist? I have no idea. What do you think? Has > > anyone on the list read the book? > > > > Celeste wrote: > > >I'd like to share with you an interesting article from Scientific > > >American. Please see http://tinyurl.com/s6kaz > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2006 Report Share Posted May 28, 2006 > > -I have not read the book. My mother has it. I will try to look at > it, but I don't know if he is a scammer or not. The times I have > seen him on TV, I have agreed with what he was discussing. However, as the article points out, he was imprisoned well before he got involved in alternative health, so one can't accuse medical special interests of persecuting him back then. From the wikipedia: In 1990, he posed as a doctor in order to deposit $80,000 in false checks, and in 1991 he pled guilty to larceny after he had provided false information to obtain credit cards which he used for his own purposes. He spent two years in prison because of this conviction. (Choi, 2005) Most people in opposition to Trudeau's claims point to this felony conviction as a good reason not to trust him. See our sites at www.femalevitamins.com www.stay-young.info Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2007 Report Share Posted October 7, 2007 Hi Karl, I'm really not promoting Trudeau. I'm just using a concoction from his book and it's helping. I think there's a lot of political stuff between the pharmaceauticals and natural cure people. I don't like politics anyway and will gladly keep my nose out of it. Tami Trudeau Everyone should Google " Trudeau". The posts by people who obviously been scammed by him are interesting. Particularly important is the comments regarding ordering books from him. Please be warned about ordering with your credit card. For what it is worth, the Integrative Health Center in Reno is a homeopathy center. Carl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2007 Report Share Posted October 7, 2007 I agree that everyone should do searches on anyone touting that they have the means to cure what ails ya. And just for the record, the clinic in Reno does far more than just Homeopathy. I'm not being defensive, but I spent a lot of my life there over a 2 year period so I feel that I can objectively and honestly make this statement. JaneCarl Ondry <ondry@...> wrote: Everyone should Google " Trudeau". The posts by people who obviously been scammed by him are interesting. Particularly important is the comments regarding ordering books from him. Please be warned about ordering with your credit card. For what it is worth, the Integrative Health Center in Reno is a homeopathy center. Carl Tonight's top picks. What will you watch tonight? Preview the hottest shows on TV. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2007 Report Share Posted October 7, 2007 Recently my huband was bored and watching late night tv and ordered the books. He is now trying to stop the payments that they bill us each month that he did not authorize. Trudeau Everyone should Google " Trudeau". The posts by people who obviously been scammed by him are interesting. Particularly important is the comments regarding ordering books from him. Please be warned about ordering with your credit card. For what it is worth, the Integrative Health Center in Reno is a homeopathy center. Carl Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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