Guest guest Posted March 13, 2010 Report Share Posted March 13, 2010 Hi Joe It appears that skin temperature too cold by just half a degree (deg C?) is enough to cause repeated awakening Bob > > I have been struggling with sleep for a number of months. Some nights it > takes me a long time to fall asleep. I usually wake up at least once or > twice during the night. I get about 5 or 6 hours of sleep. > > I have been suffering from fatigue for the last 20 years. I exhausted > most of the time. I find it hard when I have to work an 8 hour day, > especially a few days in a row. I think this makes things worse. > > I'm seeing a doctor who suggested using an electric blanket, because the > right temperature helps one to fall asleep. She suggests a blanket with > at least 10 heat settings, and a preheat button. > > I would appreciate any feedback on this or any other suggestions to > improve sleep. > > Thanks > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2010 Report Share Posted March 13, 2010 I've tried magnesium before bed and that doesn't work so well for me. But in hospitals, etc., they give the older people liguid magnesium in their drip to help them sleep. So, it does work for some. The thing I found with magnesium is that is has to be fresh and it can go either way...it can keep you up or allow you to sleep... It's a crap shoot. I prefer 5HTP to help with calming the system down and getting me ready for sleep. Sometimes that works, sometimes not. But I will take 5HTP about 6 or 7 o'clock at night and crawl into bed at 9 pm. Very sharp cheddar cheese is also good before bed. The sharpest you can find. It has tryptophan in it which is the same amino acid which is in turkey and makes us sleepy. Sleep has so much to do with the balance of estrogen and progesterone. Do you use bioidentical hormones? JOT > I've tried melatonin. It helped for awhile. then it stopped. I used to > have trouble occassionally with sleep, but for the last 6 months it has > been steady. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2010 Report Share Posted March 13, 2010 porridge also good, sorry forgot about that one.. xx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2010 Report Share Posted March 14, 2010 personally, after trying different things, I'd sooner try to manipulate eerotonin levels with diet and timing than things like 5-htp. If you read 'potatoes not prozac', i belive it describes how to do that in there. basically though you have a protein rich meal then 3 hours later have a high carb meal; the insulin response sweeps out all of the aminos but tryptophan, allowing it easier entry to your brain chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2010 Report Share Posted March 15, 2010 On March 13, 2010 12:03:39 am wrote: > what is tryptan and what's it for? have you checked the side effects > of that? > > Chris tryptan is to help sleep. It is an amino acid. I don't find it working that well for me. It does work for some people as my doctor says. I will probably drop it if it doesn't help soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2010 Report Share Posted March 15, 2010 I haven't had these tested yet. I do think my adrenals are exhauted. I have been suffering from fatigue a number of years. Sometimes I do have trouble falling asleep if I study too much at night or I am stressed from working. On March 13, 2010 03:58:54 am Galathea wrote: > JOE > > What is your position with adrenals and thyroid? If the thyroid > hormones are low then the adrenals compensate (sometimes over > compensate) by putting out adrenalin. So you can't sleep. And > eventually they get exhausted so you feel awful all the time... > > Have you had adrenals tested? Have you any thyroid test results? > > The doctor sounds a bit stupid. What tests has she suggested? > > . > > > > I get about 5 or 6 hours of sleep. > > > > I have been suffering from fatigue for the last 20 years. I > > exhausted most of the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2010 Report Share Posted March 15, 2010 On March 13, 2010 11:56:09 am bob.m9uk wrote: > Hi Joe > > It appears that skin temperature too cold by just half a degree (deg > C?) is enough to cause repeated awakening > > Bob Then what would be the thing to help with this? How do I keep my temperature at the right level? Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2010 Report Share Posted March 15, 2010 I'm taking melatonin now, but for constipation. I find it is the only thing that works for me. I think I will try co-q10. Someone else suggested that. Do you think that 5HTP would work with that. If not I could try it if the q10 doesn't work. On March 13, 2010 01:33:08 pm jitterjotter wrote: > I've tried magnesium before bed and that doesn't work so well for me. > But in hospitals, etc., they give the older people liguid magnesium > in their drip to help them sleep. So, it does work for some. The > thing I found with magnesium is that is has to be fresh and it can go > either way...it can keep you up or allow you to sleep... It's a crap > shoot. > > I prefer 5HTP to help with calming the system down and getting me > ready for sleep. Sometimes that works, sometimes not. But I will take > 5HTP about 6 or 7 o'clock at night and crawl into bed at 9 pm. > > Very sharp cheddar cheese is also good before bed. The sharpest you > can find. It has tryptophan in it which is the same amino acid which > is in turkey and makes us sleepy. > > Sleep has so much to do with the balance of estrogen and > progesterone. Do you use bioidentical hormones? > > JOT > > > I've tried melatonin. It helped for awhile. then it stopped. I used > > to have trouble occassionally with sleep, but for the last 6 months > > it has been steady. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2010 Report Share Posted March 15, 2010 i'm guessing that's a brand name of tryptophan then? have you tried taking less, or none? some people do not do so well on things that boost serotonin, so i've read Chris tryptan is to help sleep. It is an amino acid. I don't find it working > that well for me. It does work for some people as my doctor says. I > will probably drop it if it doesn't help soon. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2010 Report Share Posted March 15, 2010 I started out with none and worked my way up. I haven't found that it has made a difference. It probably isn't working for me. On March 15, 2010 12:40:23 pm wrote: > i'm guessing that's a brand name of tryptophan then? have you tried > taking less, or none? some people do not do so well on things that > boost serotonin, so i've read > > Chris > > > > > tryptan is to help sleep. It is an amino acid. I don't find it > working > > > that well for me. It does work for some people as my doctor says. I > > will probably drop it if it doesn't help soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2010 Report Share Posted March 15, 2010 Joe, I had awful problems with sleep until I got my adrenals in a better shape. Suggest you do the adrenal profile test... It's £60 from Genova if you use the TPA discount. How is your thyroid? Will your doctor test you?... People with low thyroid are often pretty much insomniacs, but I can't remember why. > > I haven't had these tested yet. .. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2010 Report Share Posted March 15, 2010 also, working or studying late won't help you sleep Joe (you mentioned you couldn't sleep after either in another post), i know it's unavoidable but if i work late or study late, then it affects me too. perhaps you have too much adrenaline and not enough cortisol. it is hard to know if you've not had tests, it could be many things really? for me, i found too much stress affected my sleep, whether i was on adrenal support or not chris > > I started out with none and worked my way up. I haven't found that it > has made a difference. It probably isn't working for me. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2010 Report Share Posted March 16, 2010 If you are suffering with adrenal exhaustion Joe, then you must get them treated. Go to our FILES section which you can access from the Home Page of this forum web site. Scroll down until you see 'Discounts' and you can see that TPA members are allowed a discount on the cost of the 24 hour salivary adrenal profile. Follow the instructions from there and don't forget to write 'Thyroid Patient Advocacy' as Practitioner. Luv - Sheila I haven't had these tested yet. I do think my adrenals are exhauted. I have been suffering from fatigue a number of years. Sometimes I do have trouble falling asleep if I study too much at night or I am stressed from working. On March 13, 2010 03:58:54 am Galathea wrote: > JOE > > What is your position with adrenals and thyroid? If the thyroid > hormones are low then the adrenals compensate (sometimes over > compensate) by putting out adrenalin. So you can't sleep. And > eventually they get exhausted so you feel awful all the time... > > Have you had adrenals tested? Have you any thyroid test results? > > The doctor sounds a bit stupid. What tests has she suggested? > > . > > > > I get about 5 or 6 hours of sleep. > > > > I have been suffering from fatigue for the last 20 years. I > > exhausted most of the time. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.436 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2745 - Release Date: 03/14/10 19:33:00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2010 Report Share Posted March 16, 2010 You need to take a good dose of CoQ10 Joe - not the daily recommended dose. I would start with 100mgs at least Luv - Sheila I'm taking melatonin now, but for constipation. I find it is the only thing that works for me. I think I will try co-q10. Someone else suggested that. Do you think that 5HTP would work with that. If not I could try it if the q10 doesn't work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2010 Report Share Posted March 16, 2010 I've tried some of the yoga breathing techniques and they've helped me when I couldn't sleep, particularly ratio breathing; exhales longer than inhales. I found out about it on the Yoga Journal site. This is the home page: http://www.yogajournal.com/ and this is a link to the pranayama (yoga breathing) section: http://www.yogajournal.com/practice/pranayama There are also poses that can help but it's being well enough to do them that's still a problem for me. Also there's a search facility; if you search for insomnia quite a lot comes up. You can find things for stress reduction too if you've got adrenal probs like me. And the best bit is, unlike all the supplements ect that we take, this is free :0) Hope this helps, Louise. > > I was having lunch with my brother-in-law yesterday and he told me he too > had been having problems in getting to sleep. He then read about deep > breathing once in bed and he said he takes in quite a few really deep > breaths, holds them for a while, and lets his breath out slowly. He does > this between 8 and 10 times and has found that this has been tremendously > helpful. There is probably something in Yoga that explains this, but it > definitely sounds worthy of a trial. > > Luv - Sheila > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2010 Report Share Posted March 16, 2010 Is there a problem taking CoQ10 with Tryptan. I'm taking about 2250 to 2625 mg at night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2010 Report Share Posted March 17, 2010 http://www.drugs.com/drug-interactions/coq10-with-tryptophan-2273-12874-2568-0.h\ tml There are no known interactions between CoQ10 and tryptophan Here is a list of drugs known to interact with tryptophan: http://www.drugs.com/drug-interactions/tryptophan-index.html?filter=3 & generic_on\ ly= As best I can tell, Tryptan is l-tryptophan. I am unable to find anything which indicates there is a meaningful difference between tryptophan and l-tryptophan. If there is, you will need to research that. I can't find a listing for drug interactions between co-q-10 and l-tryptophan. A search for that gives me the link at the top of my email showing interactions for co-q-10 and tryptophan. I hope that helps. Michele http://www.healthgazelle.com http://www.kidslikemine.com http://www.solanorail.com > > Is there a problem taking CoQ10 with Tryptan. I'm taking about 2250 to > 2625 mg at night. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2010 Report Share Posted March 17, 2010 Hi Joe - Tryptan and Tryptothan are the same. Have a look here http://www.drugs.com/drug-interactions/coq10-with-tryptophan-2273-12874-2568-0.html Luv - Sheila Is there a problem taking CoQ10 with Tryptan. I'm taking about 2250 to 2625 mg at night. > You need to take a good dose of CoQ10 Joe - not the daily recommended > dose. I would start with 100mgs at least > Luv - Sheila No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.436 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2749 - Release Date: 03/15/10 19:33:00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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