Re: OT: rhogam/c section advice

[Guest guest]

First of all, the Rho-gam used to be given AFTER the birth, years ago, but they

bought it in to be given during pregnancy for convenience reasons and also ?

just in case of things like car accidents etc whilst pregnant. If you were to

have a caesar', there would be no mixing of blood UNLESS the baby had an injury

that could cause your and the babies blood to mix..it comes down to a trust

issue on your behalf of whether to have the Rho-gam.

My pelvic joint pain was unbearable..could hardly get out of bed some mornings

or get out of the car..in labour, was found that ds's head was 'over the pelvic

rim'?(can't remember the exact words) and he wasn't able to engage even though

I'd been in labour at home for 2 days and my waters had broken at home before I

got to the hospital..i was so hoping for a V delivery but ended up with a caesar

because of it..

Donna

Aussie mum to C-ASD-5

                        J-10-NT

________________________________

From: and Teraza Real <jtreal@...>

Sent: Wed, 3 February, 2010 3:14:14 PM

Subject: [ ] OT: rhogam/c section advice

 

Dear Listmates,

I am encountering some interesting times here and would love some advice.

I am due with #3 in April. I had 2 c sections previously.

Should I try for a unmedicated vbac? Would the concequences of medical

intervention during a vbac be more harmful than a scheduled c section? I had

previous c sections due to severe SPD - pelvic joint pain - which is

already rearing its ugly head now, I don't even know if I can delivery

vaginally.

Drugs post c section? I am gluten, dairy, soy and egg intolerant (finding

out after my children's sensitivities) . I am pretty sure I have some Hg (no

current fillings, but had one a long time ago.. and my son is mercury toxic

per hair test analysis, currently chelating). I had T3 /oxycontin (sp?)last

time, which I would like to avoid due to the glutathione lowering effects..

I imagine they give me antibiotics as well.. I have probiotics ready for

that.. and I am currently taking 2 cuturelles/day.

Rhogam shot? I declined the 28 week one. I was spared the ones after birth

with both my son and daughter as they are rh negative (my hubby is

heterozygous) . If I have a c section, there will be blood mixing and if the

baby is positive then I guess I get sensitized? No more babies? We are not

sure where we are in terms of family size yet, I would hate to shut the

door, but don't want to be foolish either. I had rhogam with my son at 6.5

weeks and 28 weeks pregnant. It did give me some joint issues. I know there

is no mercury in the shot, and the other ingredients don't look too bad but

I am as antivax as they come. My daughter has had none. I know it can stir

up immune issues (since I am celiac - gene testing positive and postitive

IgA's per enterolab's testing) which may be an issue.

What would you do?

Thanks!

[Guest guest]

Thanks Donna.. I didn’t know that a c section could lower the chance of blood

mixing, I have spent about 30 minutes trying to find some information on that

but can’t. Do you know of any links or studies I could read about that?

My pelvic joint pain is about the same. In and out of bed, cars or stairs is

nearly impossible at times. With my son, he too was stuck on my pelvic bone and

had a ton of head moulding (sp?) due to the awkward position he was in and came

out looking like a vaginal birth baby even though he ended up c section.

I have avoiding the 28 week shot with my daughter (NT) and this pregnancy. I

didn’t know better with my son. I didn’t have it after delivery any time

because they both were negative (I would be very pleased if this baby is

negative too). I just want to know about the risks of sensitization in the c

section scenario versus vaginal birth..

Thanks!

From: [mailto: ] On

Behalf Of Donna Bowerman

Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 6:24 AM

Subject: Re: [ ] OT: rhogam/c section advice

First of all, the Rho-gam used to be given AFTER the birth, years ago, but they

bought it in to be given during pregnancy for convenience reasons and also ?

just in case of things like car accidents etc whilst pregnant. If you were to

have a caesar', there would be no mixing of blood UNLESS the baby had an injury

that could cause your and the babies blood to mix..it comes down to a trust

issue on your behalf of whether to have the Rho-gam.

My pelvic joint pain was unbearable..could hardly get out of bed some mornings

or get out of the car..in labour, was found that ds's head was 'over the pelvic

rim'?(can't remember the exact words) and he wasn't able to engage even though

I'd been in labour at home for 2 days and my waters had broken at home before I

got to the hospital..i was so hoping for a V delivery but ended up with a caesar

because of it..

Donna

Aussie mum to C-ASD-5

J-10-NT

________________________________

From: and Teraza Real <jtreal@... <mailto:jtreal%40shaw.ca> >

<mailto: %40>

Sent: Wed, 3 February, 2010 3:14:14 PM

Subject: [ ] OT: rhogam/c section advice

Dear Listmates,

I am encountering some interesting times here and would love some advice.

I am due with #3 in April. I had 2 c sections previously.

Should I try for a unmedicated vbac? Would the concequences of medical

intervention during a vbac be more harmful than a scheduled c section? I had

previous c sections due to severe SPD - pelvic joint pain - which is

already rearing its ugly head now, I don't even know if I can delivery

vaginally.

Drugs post c section? I am gluten, dairy, soy and egg intolerant (finding

out after my children's sensitivities) . I am pretty sure I have some Hg (no

current fillings, but had one a long time ago.. and my son is mercury toxic

per hair test analysis, currently chelating). I had T3 /oxycontin (sp?)last

time, which I would like to avoid due to the glutathione lowering effects..

I imagine they give me antibiotics as well.. I have probiotics ready for

that.. and I am currently taking 2 cuturelles/day.

Rhogam shot? I declined the 28 week one. I was spared the ones after birth

with both my son and daughter as they are rh negative (my hubby is

heterozygous) . If I have a c section, there will be blood mixing and if the

baby is positive then I guess I get sensitized? No more babies? We are not

sure where we are in terms of family size yet, I would hate to shut the

door, but don't want to be foolish either. I had rhogam with my son at 6.5

weeks and 28 weeks pregnant. It did give me some joint issues. I know there

is no mercury in the shot, and the other ingredients don't look too bad but

I am as antivax as they come. My daughter has had none. I know it can stir

up immune issues (since I am celiac - gene testing positive and postitive

IgA's per enterolab's testing) which may be an issue.

What would you do?

Thanks!

[Guest guest]

Sorry, I didn't say that a caesar could actually lower your chance of blood

mixing..but was talking of the fact regarding the baby and and how his/her

blood has a low chance of mixing with yours during either normal or caesaer'

DELIVERY..unless beforehand you have a car accident or the sort, otherwise

miscarriage etc wouldn't apply at you late stage of pregnancy?

http://www.cigna.com/healthinfo/hw135942.html#hw135982

What Increases Your Risk

Rh sensitization can occur when a person with Rh-negative blood is exposed to

Rh-positive blood. During pregnancy, an Rh-negative woman can become sensitized

if she is carrying an Rh-positive fetus.

Factors that increase the risk of blood mixing and sensitization during

pregnancy include:2

* Delivery.

* Abdominal trauma, such as from a car accident.

* Abdominal surgery, such as a cesarean section.

* Placenta abruptio or placenta previa, both of which can cause placental

bleeding.

* External cephalic version for a breech fetus.

* Obstetric procedures such as amniocentesis, fetal blood sampling, or

chorionic villus sampling (CVS).

* Miscarriage (spontaneous abortion), ectopic pregnancy, or elective abortion

(medical or surgical abortion) after 8 weeks of fetal age (when fetal blood cell

production begins).

* Partial molar pregnancy involving fetal growth beyond 8 weeks.

If you have been Rh-sensitized in the past

If you have been Rh-sensitized in the past, you must be closely monitored during

any pregnancy with an Rh-positive partner because your fetus is more likely to

have Rh-positive blood. In response to an Rh-positive fetus, your immune system

may quickly develop IgG antibodies, which can cross the placenta and destroy

fetal red blood cells. Each subsequent pregnancy with an Rh-positive fetus may

produce more serious problems for the fetus. The resulting fetal disease (called

Rh disease, hemolytic disease of the newborn, or erythroblastosis fetalis) can

be mild to severe.

* Mild Rh disease involves limited destruction of fetal red blood cells,

possibly resulting in mild fetal anemia. The fetus can usually be carried to

term and requires no special treatment but may have problems with jaundice after

birth. Mild Rh disease is more likely to develop in the first pregnancy after

sensitization has occurred.

* Moderate Rh disease involves the destruction of larger numbers of fetal red

blood cells. The fetus may develop an enlarged liver and may become moderately

anemic. The fetus may need to be delivered before term and may require a blood

transfusion before (while in the uterus) or after birth. A newborn with moderate

Rh disease is watched closely for jaundice.

* Severe Rh disease (fetal hydrops) involves widespread destruction of fetal

red blood cells. The fetus develops severe anemia, liver and spleen enlargement,

increased bilirubin levels, and fluid retention (edema). The fetus may need one

or more blood transfusions before birth. A fetus with severe Rh disease who

survives the pregnancy may need a blood exchange. This procedure replaces most

of the infant's blood with donor blood (usually type O, Rh-negative).

* A history of pregnancy with Rh disease is a sign that you will need special

treatment when you are pregnant with an Rh-positive fetus.

If you have been Rh-sensitized in the past, an Rh-negative fetus cannot trigger

an immune reaction.

 

________________________________

From: and Teraza Real <jtreal@...>

Sent: Thu, 4 February, 2010 2:46:44 AM

Subject: RE: [ ] OT: rhogam/c section advice

 

Thanks Donna.. I didn’t know that a c section could lower the chance of blood

mixing, I have spent about 30 minutes trying to find some information on that

but can’t. Do you know of any links or studies I could read about that?

My pelvic joint pain is about the same. In and out of bed, cars or stairs is

nearly impossible at times. With my son, he too was stuck on my pelvic bone and

had a ton of head moulding (sp?) due to the awkward position he was in and came

out looking like a vaginal birth baby even though he ended up c section.

I have avoiding the 28 week shot with my daughter (NT) and this pregnancy. I

didn’t know better with my son. I didn’t have it after delivery any time

because they both were negative (I would be very pleased if this baby is

negative too). I just want to know about the risks of sensitization in the c

section scenario versus vaginal birth..

Thanks!

From: [mailto: ]

On Behalf Of Donna Bowerman

Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 6:24 AM

Subject: Re: [ ] OT: rhogam/c section advice

First of all, the Rho-gam used to be given AFTER the birth, years ago, but they

bought it in to be given during pregnancy for convenience reasons and also ?

just in case of things like car accidents etc whilst pregnant. If you were to

have a caesar', there would be no mixing of blood UNLESS the baby had an injury

that could cause your and the babies blood to mix..it comes down to a trust

issue on your behalf of whether to have the Rho-gam.

My pelvic joint pain was unbearable.. could hardly get out of bed some mornings

or get out of the car..in labour, was found that ds's head was 'over the pelvic

rim'?(can't remember the exact words) and he wasn't able to engage even though

I'd been in labour at home for 2 days and my waters had broken at home before I

got to the hospital..i was so hoping for a V delivery but ended up with a caesar

because of it..

Donna

Aussie mum to C-ASD-5

J-10-NT

____________ _________ _________ __

From: and Teraza Real <jtrealshaw (DOT) ca <mailto:jtreal% 40shaw.ca> >

<mailto:Autism- Mercury%40g roups.com>

Sent: Wed, 3 February, 2010 3:14:14 PM

Subject: [ ] OT: rhogam/c section advice

Dear Listmates,

I am encountering some interesting times here and would love some advice.

I am due with #3 in April. I had 2 c sections previously.

Should I try for a unmedicated vbac? Would the concequences of medical

intervention during a vbac be more harmful than a scheduled c section? I had

previous c sections due to severe SPD - pelvic joint pain - which is

already rearing its ugly head now, I don't even know if I can delivery

vaginally.

Drugs post c section? I am gluten, dairy, soy and egg intolerant (finding

out after my children's sensitivities) . I am pretty sure I have some Hg (no

current fillings, but had one a long time ago.. and my son is mercury toxic

per hair test analysis, currently chelating). I had T3 /oxycontin (sp?)last

time, which I would like to avoid due to the glutathione lowering effects..

I imagine they give me antibiotics as well.. I have probiotics ready for

that.. and I am currently taking 2 cuturelles/day.

Rhogam shot? I declined the 28 week one. I was spared the ones after birth

with both my son and daughter as they are rh negative (my hubby is

heterozygous) . If I have a c section, there will be blood mixing and if the

baby is positive then I guess I get sensitized? No more babies? We are not

sure where we are in terms of family size yet, I would hate to shut the

door, but don't want to be foolish either. I had rhogam with my son at 6.5

weeks and 28 weeks pregnant. It did give me some joint issues. I know there

is no mercury in the shot, and the other ingredients don't look too bad but

I am as antivax as they come. My daughter has had none. I know it can stir

up immune issues (since I am celiac - gene testing positive and postitive

IgA's per enterolab's testing) which may be an issue.

What would you do?

Thanks!