Re: Mickie got hurt tonight!!!

[Guest guest]

What other outlets does he have for the need to jump or constantly move? A mini

trampoline with a handlebar for jumping? Kids move... and they get hurt...

Perhaps GSE isn't doing its job. Do you have probiotics?

Pam

>

> He always jumps on his bead while stimming verbally and tonight he missed a

step and landed on his knew.

>

> Lucky he didn't break anything, but it really hurt him. I know the verbal

stims are yeast and I'm doing my best to keep yeast at bay as much as possible,

but the jumping is constant-is that yeast also?

>

> What is the most GSE I can give him (the capsules he was taking were 100mg

each. He was taking 3 capsules in the morning and 2 for lunch, 2 for brunch and

2 for dinner. I had run out and gave him OLE for about three days and just

started him about an hour ago on a tablet that has 125 mg each. I plan on giving

him 5 tablets in the morning and then 4 tablets on each of the other three

times.

>

> If by any chance this is not enough to stop the stimming and uncontrollable

jumping, how much can I give him total, and still be safe?

>

> Thank to all in advanced,

>

> Zurama

> Mickie 13yrs

> Round #39

> 25mg DMSA 25mg ALA

>

[Guest guest]

He has a trampoline, but he doesn't want it inside at the moment. He is

lining toys up all over his bedroom floor and I don't want to interrupt

whatever he is going through right now. He stopped touching his toys when he

was about 3 or 4 and this is better then nothing.

He is taking vl3 probiotics at night-he is up to two capsules right now.

On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 7:56 PM, Pamela H <phaselow@...> wrote:

>

>

> What other outlets does he have for the need to jump or constantly move? A

> mini trampoline with a handlebar for jumping? Kids move... and they get

> hurt...

>

> Perhaps GSE isn't doing its job. Do you have probiotics?

>

> Pam

>

>

>

> >

> > He always jumps on his bead while stimming verbally and tonight he missed

> a step and landed on his knew.

> >

> > Lucky he didn't break anything, but it really hurt him. I know the verbal

> stims are yeast and I'm doing my best to keep yeast at bay as much as

> possible, but the jumping is constant-is that yeast also?

> >

> > What is the most GSE I can give him (the capsules he was taking were

> 100mg each. He was taking 3 capsules in the morning and 2 for lunch, 2 for

> brunch and 2 for dinner. I had run out and gave him OLE for about three days

> and just started him about an hour ago on a tablet that has 125 mg each. I

> plan on giving him 5 tablets in the morning and then 4 tablets on each of

> the other three times.

> >

> > If by any chance this is not enough to stop the stimming and

> uncontrollable jumping, how much can I give him total, and still be safe?

> >

> > Thank to all in advanced,

> >

> > Zurama

> > Mickie 13yrs

> > Round #39

> > 25mg DMSA 25mg ALA

> >

>

>

>

--

Zurama

Mickie 13yrs

Round #39

25mg DMSA 25mg ALA

[Guest guest]

> Lucky he didn't break anything, but it really hurt him. I know the verbal

stims are yeast and I'm doing my best to keep yeast at bay as much as possible,

but the jumping is constant-is that yeast also?

At my house, yes.

> What is the most GSE I can give him (the capsules he was taking were 100mg

each. He was taking 3 capsules in the morning and 2 for lunch, 2 for brunch and

2 for dinner.

I used 125mg tablets. The most I gave was 20mg biotin plus 4 tablets GSE, both

3x per day. Giving biotin allowed me to reduce the GSE down to 4 tablets. Try

adding biotin and increase the GSE.

>>I had run out and gave him OLE for about three days and just started him about

an hour ago on a tablet that has 125 mg each.

OLE *increased* yeast here, because it addressed viruses, and viral die off

caused a lot of yeast here.

> If by any chance this is not enough to stop the stimming and uncontrollable

jumping, how much can I give him total, and still be safe?

Depends on what he will tolerate.

Dana

[Guest guest]

He just took 600mg gse about an hour ago and he is still jumping!

Dana when you say as much as he can tolerate, what do you mean? Will he

throe up? How do know if he can't tolerate it?

Also he takes Biotin with his B complex 2x a day. Is that enough?

Zurama

On Thu, Nov 25, 2010 at 8:24 AM, danasview <danasview@...> wrote:

>

>

>

> > Lucky he didn't break anything, but it really hurt him. I know the verbal

> stims are yeast and I'm doing my best to keep yeast at bay as much as

> possible, but the jumping is constant-is that yeast also?

>

> At my house, yes.

>

>

> > What is the most GSE I can give him (the capsules he was taking were

> 100mg each. He was taking 3 capsules in the morning and 2 for lunch, 2 for

> brunch and 2 for dinner.

>

> I used 125mg tablets. The most I gave was 20mg biotin plus 4 tablets GSE,

> both 3x per day. Giving biotin allowed me to reduce the GSE down to 4

> tablets. Try adding biotin and increase the GSE.

>

>

> >>I had run out and gave him OLE for about three days and just started him

> about an hour ago on a tablet that has 125 mg each.

>

> OLE *increased* yeast here, because it addressed viruses, and viral die off

> caused a lot of yeast here.

>

>

> > If by any chance this is not enough to stop the stimming and

> uncontrollable jumping, how much can I give him total, and still be safe?

>

> Depends on what he will tolerate.

>

> Dana

>

>

>

--

Zurama

Mickie 13yrs

Round #39

25mg DMSA 25mg ALA

[Guest guest]

Peripheral neuropathy. When this happened to my son, Andy said to increase EFAs

and I think he said magnesium too (can't remember if he said magnesium,but I

know EFA's for sure)

Liz

>

> He always jumps on his bead while stimming verbally and tonight he missed a

step and landed on his knew.

>

> Lucky he didn't break anything, but it really hurt him. I know the verbal

stims are yeast and I'm doing my best to keep yeast at bay as much as possible,

but the jumping is constant-is that yeast also?

>

> What is the most GSE I can give him (the capsules he was taking were 100mg

each. He was taking 3 capsules in the morning and 2 for lunch, 2 for brunch and

2 for dinner. I had run out and gave him OLE for about three days and just

started him about an hour ago on a tablet that has 125 mg each. I plan on giving

him 5 tablets in the morning and then 4 tablets on each of the other three

times.

>

> If by any chance this is not enough to stop the stimming and uncontrollable

jumping, how much can I give him total, and still be safe?

>

> Thank to all in advanced,

>

> Zurama

> Mickie 13yrs

> Round #39

> 25mg DMSA 25mg ALA

>

[Guest guest]

I do not think GSE and biotin are appropriate in this situation, I think you

have to decrease phenols (which GSE may be one) and get him on a bland diet,

adding in the extra magnesium and EFAs like I said in my other post. My boy

acts the same sometimes. When the metals are coming out, it is very hard on

their nervous system.

> > > Lucky he didn't break anything, but it really hurt him. I know the verbal

> > stims are yeast and I'm doing my best to keep yeast at bay as much as

> > possible, but the jumping is constant-is that yeast also?

> >

> > At my house, yes.

> >

> >

> > > What is the most GSE I can give him (the capsules he was taking were

> > 100mg each. He was taking 3 capsules in the morning and 2 for lunch, 2 for

> > brunch and 2 for dinner.

> >

> > I used 125mg tablets. The most I gave was 20mg biotin plus 4 tablets GSE,

> > both 3x per day. Giving biotin allowed me to reduce the GSE down to 4

> > tablets. Try adding biotin and increase the GSE.

> >

> >

> > >>I had run out and gave him OLE for about three days and just started him

> > about an hour ago on a tablet that has 125 mg each.

> >

> > OLE *increased* yeast here, because it addressed viruses, and viral die off

> > caused a lot of yeast here.

> >

> >

> > > If by any chance this is not enough to stop the stimming and

> > uncontrollable jumping, how much can I give him total, and still be safe?

> >

> > Depends on what he will tolerate.

> >

> > Dana

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

> --

> Zurama

> Mickie 13yrs

> Round #39

> 25mg DMSA 25mg ALA

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Pardon my ingnorance....but, what is EFAs?

On Thu, Nov 25, 2010 at 10:34 PM, Liz <elizabethsoliday@...> wrote:

>

>

> Peripheral neuropathy. When this happened to my son, Andy said to increase

> EFAs and I think he said magnesium too (can't remember if he said

> magnesium,but I know EFA's for sure)

>

> Liz

>

>

>

> >

> > He always jumps on his bead while stimming verbally and tonight he missed

> a step and landed on his knew.

> >

> > Lucky he didn't break anything, but it really hurt him. I know the verbal

> stims are yeast and I'm doing my best to keep yeast at bay as much as

> possible, but the jumping is constant-is that yeast also?

> >

> > What is the most GSE I can give him (the capsules he was taking were

> 100mg each. He was taking 3 capsules in the morning and 2 for lunch, 2 for

> brunch and 2 for dinner. I had run out and gave him OLE for about three days

> and just started him about an hour ago on a tablet that has 125 mg each. I

> plan on giving him 5 tablets in the morning and then 4 tablets on each of

> the other three times.

> >

> > If by any chance this is not enough to stop the stimming and

> uncontrollable jumping, how much can I give him total, and still be safe?

> >

> > Thank to all in advanced,

> >

> > Zurama

> > Mickie 13yrs

> > Round #39

> > 25mg DMSA 25mg ALA

> >

>

>

>

--

Zurama

Mickie 13yrs

Round #39

25mg DMSA 25mg ALA

[Guest guest]

Essential Fatty Acids, like flaxseed oil especially.

> > >

> > > He always jumps on his bead while stimming verbally and tonight he missed

> > a step and landed on his knew.

> > >

> > > Lucky he didn't break anything, but it really hurt him. I know the verbal

> > stims are yeast and I'm doing my best to keep yeast at bay as much as

> > possible, but the jumping is constant-is that yeast also?

> > >

> > > What is the most GSE I can give him (the capsules he was taking were

> > 100mg each. He was taking 3 capsules in the morning and 2 for lunch, 2 for

> > brunch and 2 for dinner. I had run out and gave him OLE for about three days

> > and just started him about an hour ago on a tablet that has 125 mg each. I

> > plan on giving him 5 tablets in the morning and then 4 tablets on each of

> > the other three times.

> > >

> > > If by any chance this is not enough to stop the stimming and

> > uncontrollable jumping, how much can I give him total, and still be safe?

> > >

> > > Thank to all in advanced,

> > >

> > > Zurama

> > > Mickie 13yrs

> > > Round #39

> > > 25mg DMSA 25mg ALA

> > >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

> --

> Zurama

> Mickie 13yrs

> Round #39

> 25mg DMSA 25mg ALA

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

> He just took 600mg gse about an hour ago and he is still jumping!

It may be addressing the yeast but he may have phenol issues. GSE is high

phenol. Try giving it with No-Fenol enzyme.

http://www.danasview.net/phenol.htm

> Dana when you say as much as he can tolerate, what do you mean? Will he

> throe up? How do know if he can't tolerate it?

My son would throw up, have terrible diarrhea, or develop a nasty headache when

there was too much GSE.

> Also he takes Biotin with his B complex 2x a day. Is that enough?

Generally, the amount of biotin in a multi is negligible. What is the dose? If

it is not at least 1000mcg, it is negligible.

Dana

[Guest guest]

we do rotation of antifungals, caprllic acid 600 mg oregano oil makes my boy

calm

hope this can help

________________________________

From: Zurama <autismtookmickie@...>

Sent: Fri, November 26, 2010 12:20:52 AM

Subject: Re: [ ] Re: Mickie got hurt tonight!!!

He just took 600mg gse about an hour ago and he is still jumping!

Dana when you say as much as he can tolerate, what do you mean? Will he

throe up? How do know if he can't tolerate it?

Also he takes Biotin with his B complex 2x a day. Is that enough?

Zurama

On Thu, Nov 25, 2010 at 8:24 AM, danasview <danasview@...> wrote:

>

>

>

> > Lucky he didn't break anything, but it really hurt him. I know the verbal

> stims are yeast and I'm doing my best to keep yeast at bay as much as

> possible, but the jumping is constant-is that yeast also?

>

> At my house, yes.

>

>

> > What is the most GSE I can give him (the capsules he was taking were

> 100mg each. He was taking 3 capsules in the morning and 2 for lunch, 2 for

> brunch and 2 for dinner.

>

> I used 125mg tablets. The most I gave was 20mg biotin plus 4 tablets GSE,

> both 3x per day. Giving biotin allowed me to reduce the GSE down to 4

> tablets. Try adding biotin and increase the GSE.

>

>

> >>I had run out and gave him OLE for about three days and just started him

> about an hour ago on a tablet that has 125 mg each.

>

> OLE *increased* yeast here, because it addressed viruses, and viral die off

> caused a lot of yeast here.

>

>

> > If by any chance this is not enough to stop the stimming and

> uncontrollable jumping, how much can I give him total, and still be safe?

>

> Depends on what he will tolerate.

>

> Dana

>

>

>

--

Zurama

Mickie 13yrs

Round #39

25mg DMSA 25mg ALA

[Guest guest]

Came in late on this. So sorry for Mickie. I'm sitting on the sidelines on this

one because my son also took a fall a couple of nights ago...hanging off of his

punching bag and spinning. (also obvious yeast issues) Got a lump on the back of

his head and now has sore neck and shoulders.

Not in a financially sound place to go to chiropractor...

Zurama. Wishing you the best and learning with you.

Theodora

>

> He always jumps on his bead while stimming verbally and tonight he missed a

step and landed on his knew.

>

> Lucky he didn't break anything, but it really hurt him. I know the verbal

stims are yeast and I'm doing my best to keep yeast at bay as much as possible,

but the jumping is constant-is that yeast also?

>

> What is the most GSE I can give him (the capsules he was taking were 100mg

each. He was taking 3 capsules in the morning and 2 for lunch, 2 for brunch and

2 for dinner. I had run out and gave him OLE for about three days and just

started him about an hour ago on a tablet that has 125 mg each. I plan on giving

him 5 tablets in the morning and then 4 tablets on each of the other three

times.

>

> If by any chance this is not enough to stop the stimming and uncontrollable

jumping, how much can I give him total, and still be safe?

>

> Thank to all in advanced,

>

> Zurama

> Mickie 13yrs

> Round #39

> 25mg DMSA 25mg ALA

>

[Guest guest]

We've been there, too. Just when we were getting started, our son had a

melt down over at the neighbors. I put him in the car, turned to say bye to

the neighbor, and my son took a dive out the door of the truck. He bumped

his head and broke his thumb! Not long after that he was bouncing on the

couch, slid off, and barely bumped his leg on the coffee table, but he

couldn't weight bear for over two months! They couldn't find a break, but

thought maybe a hair-line fracture, so they cast him, and six weeks later,

he still would not weight bear. No one had an explanation, and then

finally, he started walking again.

I know the tantrums were due to yeast and nutritional problems. Going

gf/cf/sf helped tremendously along with addressing the yeast issues. He

hasn't been spinning, bouncing, or running down the hall throwing himself up

against the end in years now.

[Guest guest]

I'm so sorry about your son.

What I did was bring in his trampoline. It takes a lot of space in his room,

but he didn't mind at all and there was still space for his musical toys,

which he has strategically placed on the floor, so he is doing most of his

jumping on the trampoline now.

I don't think the GSE has anything to do with it. He was jumping years

before I introduced it and it has done wonders for his GI.

He is on Omegas, enzymes, amino acids, etc

This is the list of his supplements I had sent to the list per Andy's

request, but I think it got lost

Dmsa, ALA

Digestive Enzymes

Magnesium, Calcium, Zinc

B complex

MSM (Sulfur) with vit c

Amino Acids

Thyroid support (which contains potassium and a tiny amount of copper) Just

got it in the mail.

Raw Thyroid (He takes these two for Hypothyroidism)

Grape Seen Extract

OLE

Vl#3

Vimpocetine

Omega 3-6-9

Vitamin E

Milk Thistle

Folic Acid

Carnosine

Carnitine

Glutamine

Taurine

Lithium (not rx)

Super Nu-Thera from Kirkmans in case I missed anything.

He was on L-Glutathione free form 50mg in the spring and summer of 2008!!!

He was Methyl be 12 shots and Nasal spray for a few months in 07 and a few

months in 08. Could this have hurt him or caused permanent damage???

He used to also take Beta Glucan, Resveratrol, Germanium and Pygnosenol, DGL

Licorice, Dandelion root, Choline & Inositol, spirulina, Ox Bile and

Transfer Factor. Were these a good or bad idea and should I get him back on

any of them?

He has malabsorption, and Hypothyroidism, no upper body muscle tone and

though 13 looks about 8. Lately, in the last three months since restarting

chelation and adding more supplements, his skin looks better and the yellow

tint it used to have is gone. His palms and ears look pinkish again.

Zurama

On Sat, Nov 27, 2010 at 6:54 PM, jeffnteddi <hopefulchild99-asd@...>wrote:

>

>

> Came in late on this. So sorry for Mickie. I'm sitting on the sidelines on

> this one because my son also took a fall a couple of nights ago...hanging

> off of his punching bag and spinning. (also obvious yeast issues) Got a lump

> on the back of his head and now has sore neck and shoulders.

> Not in a financially sound place to go to chiropractor...

> Zurama. Wishing you the best and learning with you.

> Theodora

>

>

>

> >

> > He always jumps on his bead while stimming verbally and tonight he missed

> a step and landed on his knew.

> >

> > Lucky he didn't break anything, but it really hurt him. I know the verbal

> stims are yeast and I'm doing my best to keep yeast at bay as much as

> possible, but the jumping is constant-is that yeast also?

> >

> > What is the most GSE I can give him (the capsules he was taking were

> 100mg each. He was taking 3 capsules in the morning and 2 for lunch, 2 for

> brunch and 2 for dinner. I had run out and gave him OLE for about three days

> and just started him about an hour ago on a tablet that has 125 mg each. I

> plan on giving him 5 tablets in the morning and then 4 tablets on each of

> the other three times.

> >

> > If by any chance this is not enough to stop the stimming and

> uncontrollable jumping, how much can I give him total, and still be safe?

> >

> > Thank to all in advanced,

> >

> > Zurama

> > Mickie 13yrs

> > Round #39

> > 25mg DMSA 25mg ALA

> >

>

>

>

--

Zurama

Mickie 13yrs

Round #39

25mg DMSA 25mg ALA