Guest guest Posted November 2, 2005 Report Share Posted November 2, 2005 Hi everyone- I am reading more and more alarming news about the avian flu and a world wide pandemic. My RD told me never to have a flu shot because I would manifest the disease. What does everyone else think about this. Yours, Deborah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2005 Report Share Posted November 2, 2005 I think someone is sadly misinformed. The flu shots are killed virus and *cannot* give you the flu. ----- Original Message ----- From: dbargad@... Rheumatoid Arthritis Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 3:45 AM Subject: Re: Avian Flu Hi everyone- I am reading more and more alarming news about the avian flu and a world wide pandemic. My RD told me never to have a flu shot because I would manifest the disease. What does everyone else think about this. Yours, Deborah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2005 Report Share Posted November 2, 2005 Hi Deborah, I'm with your doctor on that, I am of the belief that these shots are dangerous but obviously there are few people who agree. My doctor has recommended a flu shot for years and I have never accepted, but we each have to do our own research and decide for ourselves what is right for us. Keep in mind though that I am not on a medication that alters my immune system, if I was perhaps I would feel different. Good luck in making your decision. Dorey www.LivingWithRheumatoidArthritis.com ----- Original Message ----- From: dbargad@... Rheumatoid Arthritis Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 12:45 AM Subject: Re: Avian Flu Hi everyone- I am reading more and more alarming news about the avian flu and a world wide pandemic. My RD told me never to have a flu shot because I would manifest the disease. What does everyone else think about this. Yours, Deborah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2005 Report Share Posted November 2, 2005 , manifesting a disease is not the same as getting the disease from a shot..........this doctor is very unusual, obviously, in his thinking. When we manifest disease it is caused by thinking or worrying about it, opening our self up to the very thing we worry most about. I believe very much in this which is why I research wellness more than anything, I want to manifest wellness therefore this is my main focus. Dorey www.LivingWithRheumatoidArthritis.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Hasenstab Rheumatoid Arthritis Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 1:03 AM Subject: Re: Avian Flu I think someone is sadly misinformed. The flu shots are killed virus and *cannot* give you the flu. ----- Original Message ----- From: dbargad@... Rheumatoid Arthritis Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 3:45 AM Subject: Re: Avian Flu Hi everyone- I am reading more and more alarming news about the avian flu and a world wide pandemic. My RD told me never to have a flu shot because I would manifest the disease. What does everyone else think about this. Yours, Deborah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2005 Report Share Posted November 2, 2005 I was trying not to be rude. I know what the word 'manifesting' means. "Showing the signs of" created by a neurotic obsession with actually getting the disease, or "all in the mind." ----- Original Message ----- From: Dorey Rheumatoid Arthritis Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 4:24 AM Subject: Re: Avian Flu , manifesting a disease is not the same as getting the disease from a shot..........this doctor is very unusual, obviously, in his thinking. When we manifest disease it is caused by thinking or worrying about it, opening our self up to the very thing we worry most about. I believe very much in this which is why I research wellness more than anything, I want to manifest wellness therefore this is my main focus. Dorey www.LivingWithRheumatoidArthritis.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Hasenstab Rheumatoid Arthritis Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 1:03 AM Subject: Re: Avian Flu I think someone is sadly misinformed. The flu shots are killed virus and *cannot* give you the flu. ----- Original Message ----- From: dbargad@... Rheumatoid Arthritis Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 3:45 AM Subject: Re: Avian Flu Hi everyone- I am reading more and more alarming news about the avian flu and a world wide pandemic. My RD told me never to have a flu shot because I would manifest the disease. What does everyone else think about this. Yours, Deborah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2005 Report Share Posted November 2, 2005 If our immune systems are compromised, wont we be more suspeptable to getting that version of it. I wonder if you have to go off MTX while taking it so your immune system has a better chance of making antibodies. I will ask my RD about it when I see him. Thanks alot for your insightful advice. Yours, Deborah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2005 Report Share Posted November 2, 2005 I have had RA for ten years. My Rheumatologist hasnt suggested a flu shot at all. Neither has my PCP. Should I ask? Apparently I am "sadly misinformed" thanks to everyone. Yours,Deborah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2005 Report Share Posted November 2, 2005 I think the purpose of the shot with a dead virus is to give the body a model of the disease virus so that the body prepares a defense against that disease virus if it should ever enter the body. There has to be some similarity to the disease virus so that the body develops countermeasures. The dead virus presents some aspect of the disease to activate our immune systems to produce the response. In that sense the flu shot does manifest some aspect of the disease but it does not manifest the disease in its entirety. Things can go wrong ('s law) so the disease is manifested in its entirety but from what I have read that is extremely rare. I get flu shots every year and seldom have the flu and then only a very light case. God bless. ----- Original Message ----- From: dbargad@... Rheumatoid Arthritis Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 12:45 AM Subject: Re: Avian Flu Hi everyone- I am reading more and more alarming news about the avian flu and a world wide pandemic. My RD told me never to have a flu shot because I would manifest the disease. What does everyone else think about this. Yours, Deborah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2005 Report Share Posted November 2, 2005 FWIW. I talked to my RD for a long time about the avian flu a week ago. he told me right now we don't need to worry too much as it hasn't mutated. He said they have a couple of medications to help w/the symtoms (tamiflu and one other begins with an R). If/when I feel that I need to get the script, to let him know. He said that the hungarians are working on an injection and it looks to be successful. The main thing is to stay away from birds. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Maggie http://www.4HockeyFans.com http://www.4FloridaHockey.com MSN: Maggies1429 AOL: Maggies85 dbargad@... wrote: If our immune systems are compromised, wont we be more suspeptable to getting that version of it. I wonder if you have to go off MTX while taking it so your immune system has a better chance of making antibodies. I will ask my RD about it when I see him. Thanks alot for your insightful advice. Yours, Deborah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Place your order today so this flu season you can act on the facts -- not fear. ----- Original Message ----- From: Hasenstab Rheumatoid Arthritis Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 1:03 AM Subject: Re: Avian Flu I think someone is sadly misinformed. The flu shots are killed virus and *cannot* give you the flu. ----- Original Message ----- From: dbargad@... Rheumatoid Arthritis Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 3:45 AM Subject: Re: Avian Flu Hi everyone- I am reading more and more alarming news about the avian flu and a world wide pandemic. My RD told me never to have a flu shot because I would manifest the disease. What does everyone else think about this. Yours, Deborah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2005 Report Share Posted November 9, 2005 This is what I was always told. If I got the vaccine I would be at risk, which is why I havent taken it. I also recently saw Bill Maher on HBO and he asked a cdc expert about the vaccine for the bird flu. He did say its very serious, if and only if it mutates. When a virus mutates itself, it doesnt do so just once but many times which means all the touting of this TAMI FLU might only be slightly if at all effective because the virus will have changed. Since you have to use the new virus to make an anti serum, by the time they isolate the last and final mutation and produce a shot against it, the virus itself will have spread and spread. I take the simple precautions of staying away from large crowds of people during the season, walk away from anyone, even a sales person who might be sick, keep alcohol swabs and anti bacteria wipes with me, and yes a mask too. In my doctors office, Those are the things listed for flu prevention. It was commented that since govt has their hand in the pocket of big pharma, they tout the flu shot to stay in business. Dead Virus shots are one thing, but the avian flu if uncontained will mutate. In its final form it may not be as serious as everyone thinks which is like a doomsday scenario. If it isnt a terrorist attack, its a pandemic. and New medicare part D " for disater" we seem to be living in a state of fear. Between the natural disasters, the terrorism, plagues and disease, who wants to go out into the masses of humanity. Everyone should build a bunker, and stock up food store of non perishables and just live down there until the good lord in his wisdom, decides he has given us enough "testing" as a species and give us a little health, wellness and happiness. I never believed in "End Days" or the Apocolypse but with times like these, it seems to feel like it could come any day. Well, as long as I have a great PCP, RD, Gyn and Endo, I am as prepared as I ever will be. Thanks everyone for the great information, You all are the best. Yours, Deborah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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