Re: At a loss with ALA - help needed!

[Guest guest]

At our house my son and I could not tolerate ALA alone or even in higher amounts

than dmsa- puts too much stress on our adrenals. Have you thought about adding

Dmsa to make chelation more tolerable?

Irene

>

> My daughter has chelated with ALA only for 30 rounds. We took a break for 2

weeks and when we restarted, she began to have tantrums/rages shortly after

starting a round. This did not happen in the first 30 rounds, except when 1st

starting and her dose was too high for her. After the initial adjustment, all

was well.

>

> I have asked for suggestions here in the past. Started adrenal supplementation

and held off on chelating for a while. Tantrums were still happening about

1x/week even when not chelating. Maybe not getting enough ACE, but I have found

I've had to start really low (1/8 cap) and go slow (now 2x/day), or else more

agitation.

>

> I tried a round of ALA chelation this weekend (4mg every 2.5hours; she is

70lbs, and this is even a lower dose than we were using in the past) and same

thing is happening. I'm thinking maybe she can't tolerate ALA any longer, maybe

not mercury overloaded - her hair test did not meet counting rules but was

borderline, and certainly not normal. She has a gluten and casein intolerance -

my goal was to chelate to at least get rid of these. Or maybe I need to ramp up

on the ACE. At any rate, I am stopping this round

>

> Any suggestions or thoughts would be greatly appreciated. I'm really having a

hard time figuring this one out.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I forgot to add that when we took a break from ALA, we tried DMSA. The first

round went well, but a similar thing happened on the 2nd round - just not as

bad. Tantrum today lasted an hour, which hasn't happened in a really long time.

> >

> > My daughter has chelated with ALA only for 30 rounds. We took a break for 2

weeks and when we restarted, she began to have tantrums/rages shortly after

starting a round. This did not happen in the first 30 rounds, except when 1st

starting and her dose was too high for her. After the initial adjustment, all

was well.

> >

> > I have asked for suggestions here in the past. Started adrenal

supplementation and held off on chelating for a while. Tantrums were still

happening about 1x/week even when not chelating. Maybe not getting enough ACE,

but I have found I've had to start really low (1/8 cap) and go slow (now

2x/day), or else more agitation.

> >

> > I tried a round of ALA chelation this weekend (4mg every 2.5hours; she is

70lbs, and this is even a lower dose than we were using in the past) and same

thing is happening. I'm thinking maybe she can't tolerate ALA any longer, maybe

not mercury overloaded - her hair test did not meet counting rules but was

borderline, and certainly not normal. She has a gluten and casein intolerance -

my goal was to chelate to at least get rid of these. Or maybe I need to ramp up

on the ACE. At any rate, I am stopping this round

> >

> > Any suggestions or thoughts would be greatly appreciated. I'm really having

a hard time figuring this one out.

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I will relate this for what it is worth. I like your daughter could not tolerate

either dmsa or ala alone- both made me feel like death and stressed my adrenals.

The only way I tolerate chelation is to take both at once, (with sufficient

adrenal support and antioxidants on board), in the right ratio- which is 1:1.

My son could do dmsa alone- but ala was tolerable only with both on board and

lots of adrenal support.

> > >

> > > My daughter has chelated with ALA only for 30 rounds. We took a break for

2 weeks and when we restarted, she began to have tantrums/rages shortly after

starting a round. This did not happen in the first 30 rounds, except when 1st

starting and her dose was too high for her. After the initial adjustment, all

was well.

> > >

> > > I have asked for suggestions here in the past. Started adrenal

supplementation and held off on chelating for a while. Tantrums were still

happening about 1x/week even when not chelating. Maybe not getting enough ACE,

but I have found I've had to start really low (1/8 cap) and go slow (now

2x/day), or else more agitation.

> > >

> > > I tried a round of ALA chelation this weekend (4mg every 2.5hours; she is

70lbs, and this is even a lower dose than we were using in the past) and same

thing is happening. I'm thinking maybe she can't tolerate ALA any longer, maybe

not mercury overloaded - her hair test did not meet counting rules but was

borderline, and certainly not normal. She has a gluten and casein intolerance -

my goal was to chelate to at least get rid of these. Or maybe I need to ramp up

on the ACE. At any rate, I am stopping this round

> > >

> > > Any suggestions or thoughts would be greatly appreciated. I'm really

having a hard time figuring this one out.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Irene,

When you say 1:1, do you mean the same number of mg of ALA and DMSA?

I have a bit of a fear of DMSA. I feel like I need a doctor's involvement for

this, to follow liver function tests and neutrophils. Do you and your son get

tested regularly?

Also, which antioxidants are you using?

Thanks so much for your input.

> > > >

> > > > My daughter has chelated with ALA only for 30 rounds. We took a break

for 2 weeks and when we restarted, she began to have tantrums/rages shortly

after starting a round. This did not happen in the first 30 rounds, except when

1st starting and her dose was too high for her. After the initial adjustment,

all was well.

> > > >

> > > > I have asked for suggestions here in the past. Started adrenal

supplementation and held off on chelating for a while. Tantrums were still

happening about 1x/week even when not chelating. Maybe not getting enough ACE,

but I have found I've had to start really low (1/8 cap) and go slow (now

2x/day), or else more agitation.

> > > >

> > > > I tried a round of ALA chelation this weekend (4mg every 2.5hours; she

is 70lbs, and this is even a lower dose than we were using in the past) and same

thing is happening. I'm thinking maybe she can't tolerate ALA any longer, maybe

not mercury overloaded - her hair test did not meet counting rules but was

borderline, and certainly not normal. She has a gluten and casein intolerance -

my goal was to chelate to at least get rid of these. Or maybe I need to ramp up

on the ACE. At any rate, I am stopping this round

> > > >

> > > > Any suggestions or thoughts would be greatly appreciated. I'm really

having a hard time figuring this one out.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi . My son has been chelating weekly for two years now. Neutophils, liver

and kidney function are fine. If you follow the very low doses and dosing

schedule of the AC protocol it is generally safe and tolerable for most. We had

a DAN! We worked loosely with for a bit- but he was all about challenges and

high doses of everything and thought the AC protocol was so low that it was

doomed to be ineffectual. So essentially we have been on our own. Once a year at

my son's annual check up with his regular ped- we ask for her to order basic

labs- CBC, hepatic panel, etc- basic labs. All has been fine. As to me- I was on

my own until I needed HC. I searched out an integrative doc- who gave me an rx

for HC. He ordered some labs for me when I had done 15 rounds. I just passed

round 50 and had some basic blood work done again- annual blood work type of

thing. I don't need or use him for chelation- he too is new to the AC protocol.

My labs were fine as well. My son takes vitamins c and e as antioxidants and

coQ10. I take these as well as pycnogenol and grape seed extract.

I feel as long as we take ALA with the dmsa all is well- ala is an antioxidant

and is protective of the liver. For us the two work well together. Yes we take

the same dose of each chelator. Some people need different ratios- 2:1 or 3:1-

whether it be ala to dmsa or vice versa. It is different for each person. For

quite a while my son needed a 2:1 ratio of dmsa to ala.

Hope this helps.

Irene

> > > > >

> > > > > My daughter has chelated with ALA only for 30 rounds. We took a break

for 2 weeks and when we restarted, she began to have tantrums/rages shortly

after starting a round. This did not happen in the first 30 rounds, except when

1st starting and her dose was too high for her. After the initial adjustment,

all was well.

> > > > >

> > > > > I have asked for suggestions here in the past. Started adrenal

supplementation and held off on chelating for a while. Tantrums were still

happening about 1x/week even when not chelating. Maybe not getting enough ACE,

but I have found I've had to start really low (1/8 cap) and go slow (now

2x/day), or else more agitation.

> > > > >

> > > > > I tried a round of ALA chelation this weekend (4mg every 2.5hours; she

is 70lbs, and this is even a lower dose than we were using in the past) and same

thing is happening. I'm thinking maybe she can't tolerate ALA any longer, maybe

not mercury overloaded - her hair test did not meet counting rules but was

borderline, and certainly not normal. She has a gluten and casein intolerance -

my goal was to chelate to at least get rid of these. Or maybe I need to ramp up

on the ACE. At any rate, I am stopping this round

> > > > >

> > > > > Any suggestions or thoughts would be greatly appreciated. I'm really

having a hard time figuring this one out.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

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> > >

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[Guest guest]

Well, this is comforting to hear. I may just ask our pediatrician if she will

check labs once in a while to make sure we are on track.

I think I will try to bump up our antioxidants and adrenal support and then

retry with both DMSA and ALA. (My son started to melt down today too - I think

they both need more support before chelating). That's interesting that you

tolerate both together but neither separately.

What does the CoQ10 do? Do you find it very helpful?

Thanks so much for your help.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > My daughter has chelated with ALA only for 30 rounds. We took a

break for 2 weeks and when we restarted, she began to have tantrums/rages

shortly after starting a round. This did not happen in the first 30 rounds,

except when 1st starting and her dose was too high for her. After the initial

adjustment, all was well.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I have asked for suggestions here in the past. Started adrenal

supplementation and held off on chelating for a while. Tantrums were still

happening about 1x/week even when not chelating. Maybe not getting enough ACE,

but I have found I've had to start really low (1/8 cap) and go slow (now

2x/day), or else more agitation.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I tried a round of ALA chelation this weekend (4mg every 2.5hours;

she is 70lbs, and this is even a lower dose than we were using in the past) and

same thing is happening. I'm thinking maybe she can't tolerate ALA any longer,

maybe not mercury overloaded - her hair test did not meet counting rules but was

borderline, and certainly not normal. She has a gluten and casein intolerance -

my goal was to chelate to at least get rid of these. Or maybe I need to ramp up

on the ACE. At any rate, I am stopping this round

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Any suggestions or thoughts would be greatly appreciated. I'm

really having a hard time figuring this one out.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Have you tried switching brands of ALA? On the adult chelation board I have

read posts where people reported that they could not tolerate one brand of ALA

so they switched brands and did just fine. Maybe it is something in the ALA

(filler, capsule coating, pharmaceutical glaze) that your sweet girl isn't

tolerating? Just a thought.... Although that does not explain why she had

trouble w/DMSA, too.

Hope you find an answer really quickly

Blessings,

~Robin

==> " khieken " <khieken@...> wrote:

My daughter has chelated with ALA only for 30 rounds. We took a break for 2

weeks and when we restarted, she began to have tantrums/rages shortly after

starting a round.

I tried a round of ALA chelation this weekend (4mg every 2.5hours; she is 70lbs,

and this is even a lower dose than we were using in the past) and same thing is

happening.

[Guest guest]

Can't say what the CoQ does specifically with my son - but it can't hurt and our

DAN! had recommended it. For myself, it gives me energy.

Irene

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > My daughter has chelated with ALA only for 30 rounds. We took a

break for 2 weeks and when we restarted, she began to have tantrums/rages

shortly after starting a round. This did not happen in the first 30 rounds,

except when 1st starting and her dose was too high for her. After the initial

adjustment, all was well.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I have asked for suggestions here in the past. Started adrenal

supplementation and held off on chelating for a while. Tantrums were still

happening about 1x/week even when not chelating. Maybe not getting enough ACE,

but I have found I've had to start really low (1/8 cap) and go slow (now

2x/day), or else more agitation.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I tried a round of ALA chelation this weekend (4mg every 2.5hours;

she is 70lbs, and this is even a lower dose than we were using in the past) and

same thing is happening. I'm thinking maybe she can't tolerate ALA any longer,

maybe not mercury overloaded - her hair test did not meet counting rules but was

borderline, and certainly not normal. She has a gluten and casein intolerance -

my goal was to chelate to at least get rid of these. Or maybe I need to ramp up

on the ACE. At any rate, I am stopping this round

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Any suggestions or thoughts would be greatly appreciated. I'm

really having a hard time figuring this one out.

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> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

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[Guest guest]

,

CoQ10 helps produce energy in cell mitochondria. More and more evidence out

there that our children's mitochondria are not functioning as they should. Both

my son and I take 100 mgs/day. They say to take it with a meal containing fat

(even a small amount of coconut oil) for absorption. I use vrp brand.

This supp is so darn expensive. I wonder if it is because it is popular? It

has been touted as a heart healthy supplement. If you know anyone who takes a

statin drug, they should be taking coQ10 (the drugs seem to deplete it, as does

age). Some feel the myalgia from statin drugs can be relieved with coQ10.

I try to have a CBC/Metabolic Panel run annually, but I no longer use a DAN!

doctor so I'm not sure we'll be doing that. My son's pediatrican will probably

not be up for monitoring chelation, but I could probably think of another reason

for labs!

When I first started with DMSA, Andy advised me that if the first round of blood

tests (after 6 rounds for us) showed healthy neutrophil levels, it was unlikely

that DMSA would be a problem for neutrophils. I would not fall in to the

mindset that you need chronic monitoring unless you have symptoms. I have

never seen any abnormal results in labs despite using a higher than average dose

of chelators (I use closer to 1mg per lb)

My son takes both DMSA/ALA. He tolerated DMSA alone just fine, but the ALA

really seemed to boost the effectiveness of chelation. I give him a 2:1 ratio

(50mgs DMSA/25mgs ALA), but I think I'll bump it up to 1:1 next round just to

keep it easy for my husband IF he decides to help. Big 'if'.

Sorry to jump in! I hope that helps.

Pam

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > My daughter has chelated with ALA only for 30 rounds. We took a

break for 2 weeks and when we restarted, she began to have tantrums/rages

shortly after starting a round. This did not happen in the first 30 rounds,

except when 1st starting and her dose was too high for her. After the initial

adjustment, all was well.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I have asked for suggestions here in the past. Started adrenal

supplementation and held off on chelating for a while. Tantrums were still

happening about 1x/week even when not chelating. Maybe not getting enough ACE,

but I have found I've had to start really low (1/8 cap) and go slow (now

2x/day), or else more agitation.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I tried a round of ALA chelation this weekend (4mg every 2.5hours;

she is 70lbs, and this is even a lower dose than we were using in the past) and

same thing is happening. I'm thinking maybe she can't tolerate ALA any longer,

maybe not mercury overloaded - her hair test did not meet counting rules but was

borderline, and certainly not normal. She has a gluten and casein intolerance -

my goal was to chelate to at least get rid of these. Or maybe I need to ramp up

on the ACE. At any rate, I am stopping this round

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Any suggestions or thoughts would be greatly appreciated. I'm

really having a hard time figuring this one out.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I don't think it's the brand, since it is the same one we did the first 30

rounds with. I was considering changing brands though, because this one is very

difficult to mix well in juice.

Thanks for the good thoughts.

> My daughter has chelated with ALA only for 30 rounds. We took a break for 2

weeks and when we restarted, she began to have tantrums/rages shortly after

starting a round.

> I tried a round of ALA chelation this weekend (4mg every 2.5hours; she is

70lbs, and this is even a lower dose than we were using in the past) and same

thing is happening.

>

[Guest guest]

Pam,

Did you notice any specific effects in you or your son after starting Coq10? It

does seem pretty expensive, although Country Life has one listed on vitacost

that is pretty reasonable. I use their omega 3s and they are good quality.

One more supplement to add to the list

Thanks for the info on DMSA too.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > My daughter has chelated with ALA only for 30 rounds. We took a

break for 2 weeks and when we restarted, she began to have tantrums/rages

shortly after starting a round. This did not happen in the first 30 rounds,

except when 1st starting and her dose was too high for her. After the initial

adjustment, all was well.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I have asked for suggestions here in the past. Started adrenal

supplementation and held off on chelating for a while. Tantrums were still

happening about 1x/week even when not chelating. Maybe not getting enough ACE,

but I have found I've had to start really low (1/8 cap) and go slow (now

2x/day), or else more agitation.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I tried a round of ALA chelation this weekend (4mg every

2.5hours; she is 70lbs, and this is even a lower dose than we were using in the

past) and same thing is happening. I'm thinking maybe she can't tolerate ALA any

longer, maybe not mercury overloaded - her hair test did not meet counting rules

but was borderline, and certainly not normal. She has a gluten and casein

intolerance - my goal was to chelate to at least get rid of these. Or maybe I

need to ramp up on the ACE. At any rate, I am stopping this round

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Any suggestions or thoughts would be greatly appreciated. I'm

really having a hard time figuring this one out.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

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>

[Guest guest]

Just a note that it's not recommended to increase your dose of chelator by more

than 50%.

[ ] Re: At a loss with ALA - help needed!

,

CoQ10 helps produce energy in cell mitochondria. More and more evidence out

there that our children's mitochondria are not functioning as they should. Both

my son and I take 100 mgs/day. They say to take it with a meal containing fat

(even a small amount of coconut oil) for absorption. I use vrp brand.

This supp is so darn expensive. I wonder if it is because it is popular? It

has been touted as a heart healthy supplement. If you know anyone who takes a

statin drug, they should be taking coQ10 (the drugs seem to deplete it, as does

age). Some feel the myalgia from statin drugs can be relieved with coQ10.

I try to have a CBC/Metabolic Panel run annually, but I no longer use a DAN!

doctor so I'm not sure we'll be doing that. My son's pediatrican will probably

not be up for monitoring chelation, but I could probably think of another reason

for labs!

When I first started with DMSA, Andy advised me that if the first round of

blood tests (after 6 rounds for us) showed healthy neutrophil levels, it was

unlikely that DMSA would be a problem for neutrophils. I would not fall in to

the mindset that you need chronic monitoring unless you have symptoms. I have

never seen any abnormal results in labs despite using a higher than average dose

of chelators (I use closer to 1mg per lb)

My son takes both DMSA/ALA. He tolerated DMSA alone just fine, but the ALA

really seemed to boost the effectiveness of chelation. I give him a 2:1 ratio

(50mgs DMSA/25mgs ALA), but I think I'll bump it up to 1:1 next round just to

keep it easy for my husband IF he decides to help. Big 'if'.

Sorry to jump in! I hope that helps.

Pam

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > My daughter has chelated with ALA only for 30 rounds. We took a

break for 2 weeks and when we restarted, she began to have tantrums/rages

shortly after starting a round. This did not happen in the first 30 rounds,

except when 1st starting and her dose was too high for her. After the initial

adjustment, all was well.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I have asked for suggestions here in the past. Started adrenal

supplementation and held off on chelating for a while. Tantrums were still

happening about 1x/week even when not chelating. Maybe not getting enough ACE,

but I have found I've had to start really low (1/8 cap) and go slow (now

2x/day), or else more agitation.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I tried a round of ALA chelation this weekend (4mg every

2.5hours; she is 70lbs, and this is even a lower dose than we were using in the

past) and same thing is happening. I'm thinking maybe she can't tolerate ALA any

longer, maybe not mercury overloaded - her hair test did not meet counting rules

but was borderline, and certainly not normal. She has a gluten and casein

intolerance - my goal was to chelate to at least get rid of these. Or maybe I

need to ramp up on the ACE. At any rate, I am stopping this round

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Any suggestions or thoughts would be greatly appreciated. I'm

really having a hard time figuring this one out.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

We had a similar experience, but ALA was never very well tolerated. Given the

fact that being yeasty depletes thiamine (the alcohol biproduct), I wonder if

taking benfotiamine (oil based form of thiamine - Vit B1) for awhile will help.

>

> My daughter has chelated with ALA only for 30 rounds. We took a break for 2

weeks and when we restarted, she began to have tantrums/rages shortly after

starting a round. This did not happen in the first 30 rounds, except when 1st

starting and her dose was too high for her. After the initial adjustment, all

was well.

>

> I have asked for suggestions here in the past. Started adrenal supplementation

and held off on chelating for a while. Tantrums were still happening about

1x/week even when not chelating. Maybe not getting enough ACE, but I have found

I've had to start really low (1/8 cap) and go slow (now 2x/day), or else more

agitation.

>

> I tried a round of ALA chelation this weekend (4mg every 2.5hours; she is

70lbs, and this is even a lower dose than we were using in the past) and same

thing is happening. I'm thinking maybe she can't tolerate ALA any longer, maybe

not mercury overloaded - her hair test did not meet counting rules but was

borderline, and certainly not normal. She has a gluten and casein intolerance -

my goal was to chelate to at least get rid of these. Or maybe I need to ramp up

on the ACE. At any rate, I am stopping this round

>

> Any suggestions or thoughts would be greatly appreciated. I'm really having a

hard time figuring this one out.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Liz,

How would I know if this is a problem? Is there some way to test for this?

Also, do you not chelate with ALA since it's not well tolerated? Do you use DMSA

only?

Thanks.

> >

> > My daughter has chelated with ALA only for 30 rounds. We took a break for 2

weeks and when we restarted, she began to have tantrums/rages shortly after

starting a round. This did not happen in the first 30 rounds, except when 1st

starting and her dose was too high for her. After the initial adjustment, all

was well.

> >

> > I have asked for suggestions here in the past. Started adrenal

supplementation and held off on chelating for a while. Tantrums were still

happening about 1x/week even when not chelating. Maybe not getting enough ACE,

but I have found I've had to start really low (1/8 cap) and go slow (now

2x/day), or else more agitation.

> >

> > I tried a round of ALA chelation this weekend (4mg every 2.5hours; she is

70lbs, and this is even a lower dose than we were using in the past) and same

thing is happening. I'm thinking maybe she can't tolerate ALA any longer, maybe

not mercury overloaded - her hair test did not meet counting rules but was

borderline, and certainly not normal. She has a gluten and casein intolerance -

my goal was to chelate to at least get rid of these. Or maybe I need to ramp up

on the ACE. At any rate, I am stopping this round

> >

> > Any suggestions or thoughts would be greatly appreciated. I'm really having

a hard time figuring this one out.

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Well, I can only think of two reasons a person wouldn't tolerate ALA (at all),

either the person is thiamine deficient or has blood sugar regulation problems

and should try taking chromium with meals or lithium orotate. That said, having

too high a dose is probably the most common problem, because most people can

tolerate ALA at the right dose.

Unfortunately, lowering the dose and adding chromium and lithium didn't cut it

for us. We are now working with NP and she is starting him on

DMPS every 6-8 hours for 7 days and DMSA one round per month (Cutler protocol)

for his lead and arsenic poisoning. She also increased his yeast protocol

significantly because she thinks him having a bad gut condition may be the

contributing factor to him not tolerating ALA.

Liz

> > >

> > > My daughter has chelated with ALA only for 30 rounds. We took a break for

2 weeks and when we restarted, she began to have tantrums/rages shortly after

starting a round. This did not happen in the first 30 rounds, except when 1st

starting and her dose was too high for her. After the initial adjustment, all

was well.

> > >

> > > I have asked for suggestions here in the past. Started adrenal

supplementation and held off on chelating for a while. Tantrums were still

happening about 1x/week even when not chelating. Maybe not getting enough ACE,

but I have found I've had to start really low (1/8 cap) and go slow (now

2x/day), or else more agitation.

> > >

> > > I tried a round of ALA chelation this weekend (4mg every 2.5hours; she is

70lbs, and this is even a lower dose than we were using in the past) and same

thing is happening. I'm thinking maybe she can't tolerate ALA any longer, maybe

not mercury overloaded - her hair test did not meet counting rules but was

borderline, and certainly not normal. She has a gluten and casein intolerance -

my goal was to chelate to at least get rid of these. Or maybe I need to ramp up

on the ACE. At any rate, I am stopping this round

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> > > Any suggestions or thoughts would be greatly appreciated. I'm really

having a hard time figuring this one out.

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[Guest guest]

Could you post on how it goes?

Good luck!

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> > > > My daughter has chelated with ALA only for 30 rounds. We took a break

for 2 weeks and when we restarted, she began to have tantrums/rages shortly

after starting a round. This did not happen in the first 30 rounds, except when

1st starting and her dose was too high for her. After the initial adjustment,

all was well.

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> > > > I have asked for suggestions here in the past. Started adrenal

supplementation and held off on chelating for a while. Tantrums were still

happening about 1x/week even when not chelating. Maybe not getting enough ACE,

but I have found I've had to start really low (1/8 cap) and go slow (now

2x/day), or else more agitation.

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> > > > I tried a round of ALA chelation this weekend (4mg every 2.5hours; she

is 70lbs, and this is even a lower dose than we were using in the past) and same

thing is happening. I'm thinking maybe she can't tolerate ALA any longer, maybe

not mercury overloaded - her hair test did not meet counting rules but was

borderline, and certainly not normal. She has a gluten and casein intolerance -

my goal was to chelate to at least get rid of these. Or maybe I need to ramp up

on the ACE. At any rate, I am stopping this round

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> > > > Any suggestions or thoughts would be greatly appreciated. I'm really

having a hard time figuring this one out.

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Nope. I've noticed nothing (good or bad). My son is doing well, though.

Pam

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> > > > > > > > > My daughter has chelated with ALA only for 30 rounds. We took

a break for 2 weeks and when we restarted, she began to have tantrums/rages

shortly after starting a round. This did not happen in the first 30 rounds,

except when 1st starting and her dose was too high for her. After the initial

adjustment, all was well.

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> > > > > > > > > I have asked for suggestions here in the past. Started adrenal

supplementation and held off on chelating for a while. Tantrums were still

happening about 1x/week even when not chelating. Maybe not getting enough ACE,

but I have found I've had to start really low (1/8 cap) and go slow (now

2x/day), or else more agitation.

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> > > > > > > > > I tried a round of ALA chelation this weekend (4mg every

2.5hours; she is 70lbs, and this is even a lower dose than we were using in the

past) and same thing is happening. I'm thinking maybe she can't tolerate ALA any

longer, maybe not mercury overloaded - her hair test did not meet counting rules

but was borderline, and certainly not normal. She has a gluten and casein

intolerance - my goal was to chelate to at least get rid of these. Or maybe I

need to ramp up on the ACE. At any rate, I am stopping this round

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> > > > > > > > > Any suggestions or thoughts would be greatly appreciated. I'm

really having a hard time figuring this one out.

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[Guest guest]

You might get an OAT test and eliminate the possibility of clostridia.

[Guest guest]

Can clostridia cause tantrums? Do you need abx to treat it?

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