Re: Re: Why is my son so pale?

February 14, 2010

Vitamin D helped with my son. Also worth trying low sulphur diet for a week

ro so and see if that makes any diference IMHO

Mandi in UK

February 14, 2010

Thank you so much for the suggestion. I will look into a low sulphur diet.

My son does takes 1100 IU-D of Vitamin D in his compounded vitamin, 400 in his

cal/mag supplement, plus additional he may be getting through his diet or from

the sun.

From: Mum231ASD@... <Mum231ASD@...>

Subject: Re: [ ] Re: Why is my son so pale?

Date: Sunday, February 14, 2010, 2:14 PM

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Vitamin D helped with my son. Also worth trying low sulphur diet for a

week

ro so and see if that makes any diference IMHO

Mandi in UK

February 14, 2010

,

Thank you so much for your detailed response. My son takes all the vitamins and

minerals you listed except for vitamin b6 (it made him very weepy even in small

doses- I read that people with phenol intolerance can have a hard time

tolerating b6 due to its phenolic property). He does take enzymes, and for liver

support, he takes Liver Life, which has helped him immensely.

I will look into adrenal support. The other thing that you mentioned that I

haven't addressed is hypothyroidism. I thought a person who has hypothyroidism

has unexplained weight GAIN and difficulty losing weight. My son is very thin

and is underweight. Do you mind telling me what your daughter's TSH level was

when her thyroid was low? My sister who has hypothyroidism saw his lab results

and thought his TSH could indicate hypothyroidism also, but it fell in the lab's

normal range. How did you know your daughter had hypothyroidism? Did a DAN!

doctor point this out or did you see and endocrinologist? What do you mean when

you say you " put her on thyroid? " Is that a medication?Â Thank you again for

your detailed response! I really appreciate it!

From: Andree <mam78@...>

Subject: [ ] Re: Why is my son so pale?

Date: Sunday, February 14, 2010, 1:42 PM

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Both my children were quite pale for years and both now have colour in

their cheeks after a couple of years of biomed.

I'm not sure what helped the most since both my children have some similar

issues and individual ones too. Taking supplements has definitely helped them

both in their overall health and this includes Vitamins A, Bs, C, D, E,

Magnesium, Zinc. Liver support has been very important too along with adrenal

support. My daughter's weight and growth were stagnant for over 1.5 years until

we put her on thyroid (for hypothyroidism) and then she put on weight & started

growing again and has started getting healthy tan in the summer. She didn't

sweat either for years and now she does and gets coloured cheeks when

exercising.

It's hard to comment on the info you give. Slow bowel movements can be the

result of insufficient bile flow (but can also be yeast). Do you give liver

support?

For the food intolerances, do you give enzymes? Or restrict his diet?

>

> We have been doing biomedical therapy for a year now, and my son has improved

significantly. Lingering issues are food intolerances, some hyperactivity, not

having bowel movements every day (getting much more regular though- goes 4-5

days a week instead of 7), and slow weight gain. Although his behavior has

improved a great deal and his immune system seems to be getting stronger, he is

still extremely pale. I was convinced that b12 shots taken for almost a year now

would give him his color back (he lost it after his 1 year vaccinations) . His

DAN doctor said he did not have heavy metal toxicity, although his aluminum was

a little high on the hair test. Could this be the sole cause for his pallor? Any

other ideas for what could be causing this?

>

February 14, 2010

Please don't skip over Andy's comment.

How did the DAN determine he did not have metal toxicity? If he relied

on challenge/urine/feces/blood tests, this is totally inconclusive.

Please do a DDI hair elements test and post the results here so that we

can help you determine if he has metal issues with the counting rules.

Alternatively, you could start a few courses of frequent-low-dose

chelation per the Cutler protocol and see if this helps. If it does, it

is _definitely_ a heavy-metal issue.

wrote:

>

> Thank you so much for the suggestion. I will look into a low sulphur

> diet.

>

> My son does takes 1100 IU-D of Vitamin D in his compounded vitamin,

> 400 in his cal/mag supplement, plus additional he may be getting

> through his diet or from the sun.

>

> From: Mum231ASD@... <mailto:Mum231ASD%40aol.com>

> <Mum231ASD@... <mailto:Mum231ASD%40aol.com>>

> Subject: Re: [ ] Re: Why is my son so pale?

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> Date: Sunday, February 14, 2010, 2:14 PM

>

> Vitamin D helped with my son. Also worth trying low sulphur diet for a

> week

>

> ro so and see if that makes any diference IMHO

>

> Mandi in UK

>

February 14, 2010

wrote:

>

> ,

> Thank you so much for your detailed response. My son takes all the

> vitamins and minerals you listed except for vitamin b6 (it made him

> very weepy even in small doses- I read that people with phenol

> intolerance can have a hard time tolerating b6 due to its phenolic

> property). He does take enzymes, and for liver support, he takes Liver

> Life, which has helped him immensely.

>

> I will look into adrenal support. The other thing that you mentioned

> that I haven't addressed is hypothyroidism. I thought a person who has

> hypothyroidism has unexplained weight GAIN and difficulty losing weight.

>

Classic hypothyroid symptom.

> My son is very thin and is underweight. Do you mind telling me what

> your daughter's TSH level was when her thyroid was low? My sister who

> has hypothyroidism saw his lab results and thought his TSH could

> indicate hypothyroidism also, but it fell in the lab's normal range.

>

The lab ranges simply reflect the population average. If the population

is sick, which it is, the ranges are meaningless.

TSH should be below the middle of the lab range given.

> How did you know your daughter had hypothyroidism? Did a DAN! doctor

> point this out or did you see and endocrinologist?

>

Avoid endocrinologists at all cost!

> What do you mean when you say you " put her on thyroid? " Is that a

> medication? Thank you again for your detailed response! I really

> appreciate it!

>

Supplement the thyroid hormones T3 (better) or T3 and T4 together.

>

> From: Andree <mam78@... <mailto:mam78%40numericable.fr>>

> Subject: [ ] Re: Why is my son so pale?

>

> <mailto: %40>

> Date: Sunday, February 14, 2010, 1:42 PM

>

> Both my children were quite pale for years and both now have colour in

> their cheeks after a couple of years of biomed.

>

> I'm not sure what helped the most since both my children have some

> similar issues and individual ones too. Taking supplements has

> definitely helped them both in their overall health and this includes

> Vitamins A, Bs, C, D, E, Magnesium, Zinc. Liver support has been very

> important too along with adrenal support. My daughter's weight and

> growth were stagnant for over 1.5 years until we put her on thyroid

> (for hypothyroidism) and then she put on weight & started growing

> again and has started getting healthy tan in the summer. She didn't

> sweat either for years and now she does and gets coloured cheeks when

> exercising.

>

> It's hard to comment on the info you give. Slow bowel movements can be

> the result of insufficient bile flow (but can also be yeast). Do you

> give liver support?

>

> For the food intolerances, do you give enzymes? Or restrict his diet?

>

> >

>

> > We have been doing biomedical therapy for a year now, and my son has

> improved significantly. Lingering issues are food intolerances, some

> hyperactivity, not having bowel movements every day (getting much more

> regular though- goes 4-5 days a week instead of 7), and slow weight

> gain. Although his behavior has improved a great deal and his immune

> system seems to be getting stronger, he is still extremely pale. I was

> convinced that b12 shots taken for almost a year now would give him

> his color back (he lost it after his 1 year vaccinations) . His DAN

> doctor said he did not have heavy metal toxicity, although his

> aluminum was a little high on the hair test. Could this be the sole

> cause for his pallor? Any other ideas for what could be causing this?

>

> >

>

February 14, 2010

Andy,

Thank you so much for your detailed response. I will have to pull out my notes

on what exactly the doctor said regarding the metals. However, I trusted your

judgment more on metal toxicity and applied the counting rules on my own. I

found that none of the criteria were met for mercury toxicity.

My son has been taking 10 mg of Ferrous Gluconate (iron) since July '09. It has

increased from 23 ng/mL to 29 ng/mL (range is 22 - 322, so maybe he still is a

little low and needs more iron supplementation?) While the addition of iron in

his compounded vitamin did not make him worse, it did not improve his coloring.

At the time, the doctor did not diagnose him w/ anemia, but did prescribe b-12

injections last March. Strange thing was, after taking b-12 injections, in July

his MCV (mean corpuscular volume) increased over the normal range while blood

counts stayed within range. I believe a high MCV indicates b6, folate and/or

b-12 deficiencies. B-12 has not improved his coloring, and he cannot tolerate b6

or folinic acid. Maybe if he could tolerate those two, his coloring would

improve?Â

I am truly stumped on this, but I will look into adrenal support since you are

the second person to mention this in regards to the pallor.

Thank again for taking the time to answer my email. I really appreciate it.

From: andrewhallcutler <AndyCutler@...>

Subject: [ ] Re: Why is my son so pale?

Date: Sunday, February 14, 2010, 2:15 PM

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>

> We have been doing biomedical therapy for a year now, and my son has improved

significantly. Lingering issues are food intolerances, some hyperactivity, not

having bowel movements every day (getting much more regular though- goes 4-5

days a week instead of 7), and slow weight gain. Although his behavior has

improved a great deal and his immune system seems to be getting stronger, he is

still extremely pale. I was convinced that b12 shots taken for almost a year now

would give him his color back (he lost it after his 1 year vaccinations) . His

DAN doctor said he did not have heavy metal toxicity,

How does the DAN! doctor know this?

>although his aluminum was a little high on the hair test. Could this be the

sole cause for his pallor? Any other ideas for what could be causing this?

>

Two reasonably common causes for pallor in this population are:

Anemia (common with heavy metal problems); and

functionally inadequate adrenal performance.

The second is well addressed with adrenal cortex or glandular supplement. The

former since it didn't get better with B-12 may respond to iron. Of course if he

has heavy metal problems this may make him have color but get worse, but that

would at least be informative.

If he's had a blood count it should have told the doctor if he had an anemia.

Andy

http://www.noamalga m.com/index. html

Amalgam Illness: Diagnosis and Treatment

http://www.noamalga m.com/hairtestbo ok.html

Hair Test Interpretation: Finding Hidden Toxicities

http://www.noamalga m.com/nourishing hope.html

Nourishing Hope for Autism: Nutrition Intervention for Healing Our Children

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Biological Treatments for Autism and PDD

February 14, 2010

Wow, Jan..... thank you to you for also responding. I am learning so much

through all of you.

My son's TSH is 3.697, and my sister thought that indicated hypothyroidism (I

should have listened to her since she suffers from hypothyroidism). But the

lab's range is

..550 - 7.100, so I thought he fell in the middle. Even though your daughter was

hypoT, was her TSH within the lab's normal range? His free T4 is 1.16 (range is

..90-1.59). This is so confusing to me.

I applied Andy's counting rules, and none of the criteria were met for mercury

toxicity.

Thank you for any additional info you can give.

From: Jan <mercurybabies2@...>

Subject: [ ] Re: Why is my son so pale?

Date: Sunday, February 14, 2010, 6:00 PM

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My son was very pale prior to chelation. You can see the transformation in

him in the photos on my webpage:

http://www.freewebs .com/mercurybabi es/

I also regained a normal skin tone once I began ridding myself of metals and

taking supplements.

I'm not but will add about the thyroid:

Children who are hypothyroid do not always gain weight, at least not until many

years after they become hypo. www.stopthethyroidm adness.com and see " taking

your temps " . It's the cheapest way to see if his thyroid works. My daughter is

hypoT and untreated her TSH was 3.04. Mine was 2.84 but I had symptoms of being

hypothyroid when my TSH was 1.6. TSH is not useful for determining thyroid

function in mercury toxicity.

We had to find a holistic doctor to put my daughter on Armour Thyroid which is a

prescription for her thyroid. Both of my children take adrenal support. My son's

thyroid is normal thus far. It is very important to treat thyroid problems in

children if they are present because they affect I.Q and growth. A child will

not reach full adult height in untreated. Not to mention other problems.

Jan

>

> ,

> Thank you so much for your detailed response. My son takes all the vitamins

and minerals you listed except for vitamin b6 (it made him very weepy even in

small doses- I read that people with phenol intolerance can have a hard time

tolerating b6 due to its phenolic property). He does take enzymes, and for liver

support, he takes Liver Life, which has helped him immensely.

>

> I will look into adrenal support. The other thing that you mentioned that I

haven't addressed is hypothyroidism. I thought a person who has hypothyroidism

has unexplained weight GAIN and difficulty losing weight. My son is very thin

and is underweight. Do you mind telling me what your daughter's TSH level was

when her thyroid was low? My sister who has hypothyroidism saw his lab results

and thought his TSH could indicate hypothyroidism also, but it fell in the lab's

normal range. How did you know your daughter had hypothyroidism? Did a DAN!

doctor point this out or did you see and endocrinologist? What do you mean when

you say you " put her on thyroid? " Is that a medication?Ã‚Â Thank you again for

your detailed response! I really appreciate it!

February 14, 2010

Thank you, , for your response. You seem to know a lot about thyroid

issues. I like

your comment, " If the population is sick, which it is, the ranges are

meaningless. " Makes good sense.

When you say avoid endocrinologists, who do you suggest my son sees? Which is

the best indicator for thyroid disorders? Free T3 and Free T4? How often should

his thyroid be monitored once it's under control?

>

> From: Andree <mam78numericable (DOT) fr <mailto:mam78% 40numericable. fr>>

> Subject: [ ] Re: Why is my son so pale?

>

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